NO Charges for Officer Eric Garner for Chokehold

[kristin]

"A Staten Island grand jury has voted not to bring criminal charges against the white New York City police officer at the center of the Eric Garner case, a person briefed on the matter said Wednesday.

The decision was reached on Wednesday after months of testimony including from the officer, Daniel Pantaleo, who used a chokehold to restrain Mr. Garner, who died after a confrontation."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/ny...773522000&_r=2

WTF? How? It was all on video!

[Juicy D. Links]

Originally Posted by kristin

WTF? How? It was all on video!

He didnt do anything wrong.... it took 6 guys to bring down that twit .... he should have listened to the pigs ...

He didnt comply and they took him down... end of story...

btw that shit was in a bad part of NYC and the fucking twit should have not resisted...

He was doing something illegal... and should have complied

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by juicy d. Links

he didnt do anything wrong.... It took 6 guys to bring down that twit .... He should have listened to the pigs ...

He didnt comply and they took him down... End of story...

Btw that shit was in a bad part of nyc and the fucking twit should have not resisted...

He was doing something illegal... And should have complied

b-i-n-g-o.

[Juicy D. Links]

Originally Posted by candyflip

b-i-n-g-o.

They should have beat him down to the ground with nightsticks and tazered the fuck out of him

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

They should have beat him down to the ground with nightsticks and tazered the fuck out of him

Or shot him 49 times. Or ass raped with a plunger.

[jimmycooper]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Or shot him 49 times. Or ass raped with a plunger.

I believe that's 41 shots.

[L-Pink]

[tony286]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1ka4oKu1jo

Things that make you go hmmmm.

[Tom_PM]

The case exposed lapses in police tactics ? chokeholds are banned by the Police Department?s own guidelines ? and raised questions about the aggressive policing of minor offenses in a time of historically low crime. The officers, part of a plainclothes unit, suspected Mr. Garner of selling loose cigarettes on the street near the Staten Island Ferry Terminal, a complaint among local business owners.

Death Penalty: approved.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

you are stuck on stupid!! follow the story one day the police are going have some major issues. you can't trust them.

[stickyfingerz]

The video seems to tell the real story here.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by tony286

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1ka4oKu1jo

Things that make you go hmmmm.

The fact that he can say, "I can't breathe" means he can breathe. You seem to be of the mindset that citizens can decide if they want to comply or not.

Obviously this was not their first run-in with the guy.

[seeandsee]

Why he didt want to get arest, he would be alive now

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by baddog

The fact that he can say, "I can't breathe" means he can breathe. You seem to be of the mindset that citizens can decide if they want to comply or not.

Obviously this was not their first run-in with the guy.

OK but then what does the fact that he died mean?

[TurboAngel]

Cops can do ANYTHING they want.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by baddog

The fact that he can say, "I can't breathe" means he can breathe. You seem to be of the mindset that citizens can decide if they want to comply or not.

Obviously this was not their first run-in with the guy.

Always the same cast of characters cheerleading on the sidelines every time the cops murder someone. Fucking pathetic.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

OK but then what does the fact that he died mean?

A, you should live a life within the law.

B, when you are being arrested for not following A, don't resist.

I'm not saying cops should kill you. The thousands of arrests that happen everyday attest to the fact this doesn't happen. But when you resist arrest or assault a cop you are making a pretty stupid decision that can quickly get out of control.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Always the same cast of characters cheerleading on the sidelines every time the cops murder someone. Fucking pathetic.

I don't cheer. I shake my head and ask why the guy breaking the law doesn't just give up. Fuck, he's caught, go peacefully.

[dyna mo]

for me, the issue is the judicial system and society are structured to favor law enforcement. SInce that is the reality of the matter, and I don't necc. disagree, the first step here is body camera requirements for all cops. I don't know how it would be implemented at the state level, obviously state's rights trump fed law but I would like to see some way this is inacted in each and every state in this here fine union.

gofucvkyourself.

[Tom_PM]

People seem to still miss the fact that while crime is continuing to decline, including gun and violent crimes, killings by police of civilians is UP. Why not comment on that for once instead of pretending that only people who deserve to die have been killed?

What this means is, in the past people didn't die at the hands of police as much as they do now. There is no evidence that they resist more either. They simply die more.

This cop was banned from using a chokehold, and he choked him instantly and basically killed him. No charges when he broke his own departments explicit ban. And the talk is about how the fat black guy deserved it because he didn't say yes sir or some other detail apparently required by some before they'll entertain the notion that cops did something wrong. Something that might be like murder.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by jimmycooper

I believe that's 41 shots.

Yes. I actually went and looked up the Springsteen song after the fact to double check. You are correct!

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

He didnt do anything wrong.... it took 6 guys to bring down that twit .... he should have listened to the pigs ...

He didnt comply and they took him down... end of story...

btw that shit was in a bad part of NYC and the fucking twit should have not resisted...

He was doing something illegal... and should have complied

But thats racist in black community.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

People seem to still miss the fact that while crime is continuing to decline, including gun and violent crimes, killings by police of civilians is UP. Why not comment on that for once instead of pretending that only people who deserve to die have been killed?

What this means is, in the past people didn't die at the hands of police as much as they do now. There is no evidence that they resist more either. They simply die more.

This cop was banned from using a chokehold, and he choked him instantly and basically killed him. No charges when he broke his own departments explicit ban. And the talk is about how the fat black guy deserved it because he didn't say yes sir or some other detail apparently required by some before they'll entertain the notion that cops did something wrong. Something that might be like murder.

yep and post 911 police departments were given military equipment. watch the number of militias go up

[MK Ultra]

Is anybody watching the coverage of this? I'm struck by how much spin the talking heads are putting on the racial angle when it's obviously a police use-of-force issue.

All the commentators are emphasizing "... the killing of an unarmed BLACK man by a WHITE police officer..."

I guess a race war would be good for the "news" business.

[kristin]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I don't cheer. I shake my head and ask why the guy breaking the law doesn't just give up. Fuck, he's caught, go peacefully.

Sure the dude was being a pain in the ass and running his mouth but it never seemed to me the police felt they were in danger or dealing with a dangerous person.

If a guy is running his mouth and not waving a gun there is no reason for a chokehold. Maybe a good bitch slap.

[ilnjscb]

That was excessive force. People shouldn't be killed to subdue them if they are not violently resisting. It isn't that hard.

Use the minimum force necessary to arrest. Don't immediately kill or tase or whatever to "gain compliance".

If you or I did that, we'd be tried for murder. Police are no different. When you give a person a gun and the right to be an executioner, you want them to be MORE careful and be held to a higher standard.

You can't execute someone for something that might happen. He was not violently resisting. Here's how logic works: If he is violently resisting, going for the gun, etc, then deadly force may be justified.

But in this case with a WHITE MALE VICTIM and the Garner case it was NOT justified or necessary.

[baddog]

How would you go about cuffing him; or would you just let him go because he was bigger than you?

[ilnjscb]

one cop for each arm, one to talk to him. cuff him, back up, tell him cool down this will be over soon but then I'm not a cop, never have been one.

[RFremont]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Always the same cast of characters cheerleading on the sidelines every time the cops murder someone. Fucking pathetic.

That. The video can't be clearer and the morons still find a way to explain it away.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

one cop for each arm, one to talk to him. cuff him, back up, tell him cool down this will be over soon

haha - How long do you give him to comply? An hour? Two? Enough time that you can finish the paperwork before your shift ends?

[RFremont]

Originally Posted by baddog

The fact that he can say, "I can't breathe" means he can breathe. You seem to be of the mindset that citizens can decide if they want to comply or not.

Really fagdog? So why did the guy die then?

Just because the guy didn't comply doesn't mean he should have been strangulated. If you think that's OK, you are borderline sociopathic and should be examined.

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by baddog

haha - How long do you give him to comply? An hour? Two? Enough time that you can finish the paperwork before your shift ends?

What takes more time and money - a little over time or a federal investigation? I saw 7 - 8 cops there, and a guy died. I'm guessing that took some paperwork.


What I would really do, in fantasyland, is say to him, hey, you tell me if anything worse than you is on this street, and we're cool. Lie to me, or get into anything worse than loose cigs, and I'll put you in for 6m. That probably doesn't work.

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by baddog

How would you go about cuffing him; or would you just let him go because he was bigger than you?

No, i would have murdered him, then read him his rights

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

A, you should live a life within the law.

B, when you are being arrested for not following A, don't resist.

I'm not saying cops should kill you. The thousands of arrests that happen everyday attest to the fact this doesn't happen. But when you resist arrest or assault a cop you are making a pretty stupid decision that can quickly get out of control.

I was went through a full felony stop once and it was an eye opener. Three cop cars, guns drawn, "walk back towards us". I knew I did nothing wrong, I knew I had nothing to hide, I knew I had to comply, and I knew I was going to eat some gravel and most likely get a knee in my back.

No matter what, you do not resist the police. Ever. If you do, you are going down, and it's going to hurt. It's just that simple.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by georgeyw

No, i would have murdered him, then read him his rights

They were not trying to kill him; they were trying to cuff him.

[georgeyw]

Originally Posted by baddog

They were not trying to kill him; they were trying to cuff him.

Well they failed and succeeded, well done to them

[jimmycooper]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Yes. I actually went and looked up the Springsteen song after the fact to double check. You are correct!

Funny, that song is probably why I was able to remember the number. I went to his concert at the garden when all the protesters where outside. Good times. I can't believe it's been 15 years. Time really flies.

[GregE]

Originally Posted by baddog

The fact that he can say, "I can't breathe" means he can breathe.

The fact that he's dead means there might have been some truth in his assertion.

[kristin]

Originally Posted by baddog

How would you go about cuffing him; or would you just let him go because he was bigger than you?

Cops go through training to deal with these situations. It was also against policy to use a chokehold. So, the cop should have done what was within policy that he learned at the academy.

[DAMNMAN]

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

He didnt do anything wrong.... it took 6 guys to bring down that twit .... he should have listened to the pigs ...

He didnt comply and they took him down... end of story...

btw that shit was in a bad part of NYC and the fucking twit should have not resisted...

He was doing something illegal... and should have complied

Actually....... do some research. The use of choke holds is forbidden by the police dept he was working with.

[keysync]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I was went through a full felony stop once and it was an eye opener. Three cop cars, guns drawn, "walk back towards us". I knew I did nothing wrong, I knew I had nothing to hide, I knew I had to comply, and I knew I was going to eat some gravel and most likely get a knee in my back.

No matter what, you do not resist the police. Ever. If you do, you are going down, and it's going to hurt. It's just that simple.

I don't think anyone can refute that.

The fact of the matter is, It shouldn't have to be that way.... Too bad it is.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by RFremont

Really fagdog? So why did the guy die then?

Just because the guy didn't comply doesn't mean he should have been strangulated. If you think that's OK, you are borderline sociopathic and should be examined.

In the video it said he suffered a seizure.

Probably would of had one if h e was tazed also.

Could of been a heart attack.

Think the apostasy said pressure on the chest is what caused the death.

I didn't read it yet, heard that on the radio...

[PornoMonster]

about a 10-13 second choke???

[baddog]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

In the video it said he suffered a seizure.

Probably would of had one if h e was tazed also.

Could of been a heart attack.

Think the apostasy said pressure on the chest is what caused the death.

I didn't read it yet, heard that on the radio...

Well, GFY says it was the chokehold that killed him, so who are we to argue?

[kane]

Originally Posted by kristin

Cops go through training to deal with these situations. It was also against policy to use a chokehold. So, the cop should have done what was within policy that he learned at the academy.

I agree that the guy should have never used a chokehold as, like you said, it is against their policy.

Do you want to know what the police policy is in most situations where for is needed? In a nutshell they are taught a variety of ways to deal with people in different situations, but they are trained that if they feel they are in danger of losing an altercation or they are in (or about to be in) a physical altercation that they likely not be able to win they are authorized to use lethal force.

Now that may not apply to this particular situation, but it is why often cops who kill people don't get charged. They simply have to prove that they were afraid that they were going to lose the fight.

The reason is simple. If the cop gets knocked out the person that knocked them out now has their gun and car and everything in it. They could potentially do a hell of a lot of damage with those.

[carpocratian]

Under the circumstances, the police officer used excessive force AND a banned subdual maneuver, resulting in the unnecessary death of a civilian. No matter how the guy was acting, chokeholds are not allowed. The officer used one, the guy told him he couldn't breathe, and then died from it. That's the real issue here, and is why they need to fire that officer.

[RFremont]

Originally Posted by baddog

Well, GFY says it was the chokehold that killed him, so who are we to argue?

So your contention is that the illegal chokehold had NOTHING to do with his death?

Since you are such a champion of law, justice and truth, what is your opinion that the chokehold that was applied by the cop is against the rules and regulations of their own department?

How come you are always advocating that civilians must abide by the rules but a cop that applied an illegal chokehold is absolvable?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

He didnt do anything wrong.... it took 6 guys to bring down that twit .... he should have listened to the pigs ...

He didnt comply and they took him down... end of story...

btw that shit was in a bad part of NYC and the fucking twit should have not resisted...

He was doing something illegal... and should have complied

Did you see the video?

He was selling cigarettes - A single cig for 50 cents. That was his only crime.
He put his hands up right away.
He had knees in his back and his face pushed into the sidewalk while in a choke hold.
The Choke hold is illegal in New York.
He said 8 times that he couldn't breathe.

Those cops over reacted. At the least, they should have been suspended or had their wrists slapped with some kind of training. These white cops killed a black guy, again, and got away with it, again.

No wonder people are freaking out.

[XXXtrailers]

Just saw the video. Cops over reacted.

RIP

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by **********

Did you see the video?

He was selling cigarettes - A single cig for 50 cents. That was his only crime.
He put his hands up right away.
He had knees in his back and his face pushed into the sidewalk while in a choke hold.

You fucking dumbass. He put his hands up saying "don't touch me" and was clearly resisting. He didn't put his hands up saying "i surrender" or "ok, cuff me, i understand" and this guy had constant run ins with police, constant arrests and it wasn't their first rodeo with him, or fist time trying to arrest him either.. a fact which the video obviously doesn't show and which you're all too willing to ignore.

No one can say the police over reacted without fully understanding their prior interactions with him and how he acted.

Seems to me they were operating with a great deal more knowledge than a foreigner has from a youtube video.

People talk all this shit about US police as if there is a problem. Those people have obviously never traveled. In 1/2 the countries in the world, he would have raised his voice to police and then promptly been drug around the corner and had his head kicked in.

All they were trying to do was put handcuffs on him and HE made that a problem, not the police. A grand jury heard all the evidence and agreed. End of story.

"Garner had been previously arrested and was out on bail for selling untaxed cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession and false personation. Garner had a criminal record that includes more than 30 arrests dating back to 1980 on charges such as assault, resisting arrest, grand larceny. An official said the charges include multiple incidents in which he was arrested for selling unlicensed cigarettes"

"Garner's death was recorded by Ramsey Orta, a friend of Garner's, who was subsequently indicted on charges of third degree criminal possession of a weapon"

Originally Posted by **********

The Choke hold is illegal in New York.

100% false. But then again, you aren't swayed by facts no matter how much you want to pass yourself off as a "man of science".