Cleveland boy's death in police shooting declared homicide

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Cleveland boy's death in police shooting declared homicide

Cleveland boy's death in police shooting declared homicide - Yahoo News


CLEVELAND (Reuters) - The death of a 12-year-old Cleveland boy fatally shot by police in November has been formally ruled a homicide, according to a Cuyahoga County Medical Examiner's autopsy report released on Friday that found he was struck once in the abdomen.

Tamir Rice, who was black, was shot on Nov. 22 by police responding to a call of a suspect waving a handgun around in a Cleveland park. The weapon turned out to be a replica that typically fires plastic pellets. He died the next day.

The autopsy report said that Rice sustained a single wound to the left side of his abdomen that traveled from front to back and lodged in his pelvis.

The shooting came at a time of heightened national scrutiny of police use of force and two days before a grand jury declined to indict a white police officer in the fatal shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, in August.

Rice was shot less than two seconds after the police car pulled up beside him in the park, police have said. They also released a security video of Rice in the park before and during the shooting.

Rice's mother, Samaria Rice, said on Monday the officers involved should be convicted. The family filed a lawsuit last week against the city of Cleveland and the two officers involved in Rice's shooting. The officers are on administrative leave.

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[GAMEFINEST]

all bad bro

[baddog]

Finding that to be a homicide is basically the same as having a study determine that water is wet.

If someone does not die by natural causes, a car accident or they don't commit suicide, the options are pretty limited to homicide which means death at the hands of another.

In other words, not all homicides are crimes. Killing someone in self-defense is homicide. Killing someone in the commission of your job is a homicide. Neither example is a criminal act.

[dyna mo]

don't be a 12 year old with a toy gun at the park and you won't get shot dead by the cops.

[MK Ultra]

Homicide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Homicide is the act of a human killing another human.[1]

I don't think anybody is claiming it's not homicide, the problem is was it a criminal act or not, was there criminal intent?

In hindsight no it's not justified, but that's not the question before the grand jury, was it justified in the cop's mind in the 1.5 seconds he had to make the decision as the kid pulls a very real looking gun out of his pants.

Cops are trained to watch hands so I doubt the cop even looked at the kids' face long enough to realize it was just a kid.

I think the blame rests in several places:
The Cleveland PD for not checking deeply enough into the cop's background before hiring him, from the sounds of things he should never be a cop in the first place.
The dispatcher who didn't pass along the information from the 911 caller who thought that the gun may be a fake.
But I think a huge amount of the responsibility for this tragedy rests with the cop who was driving the car and thought it was a good idea to pull up 6 feet from a possibly armed suspect giving the shooter cop no time to make an evaluation of the situation.

I think both cops and the dispatcher should be fired at the very least but I'm afraid I don't subscribe to the narrative that it was A Racist White Cop Out To Kill A Black Man that seems to be all the rage these days.

When this tragedy occurred there was initially no mention of the cop's race in the media, but now they are pressing the race button really hard, when the grand jury declines to indict the cop for a criminal act (which they will since by the rules no law was broken, just very bad judgement) we can expect to see more anger which once again will shut down discussion as both side of this will be screaming at the other instead of talking and listening to each other.

[FriendsForNow]

Let's discuss this poor innocent child's upbringing. In this day and age, wouldn't you think pointing a gun at someone would be a cause for alarm?

You blacks complain of constantly being picked on by the police. Wouldn't that make you just a little more careful of your activities?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by MK Ultra

Homicide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't think anybody is claiming it's not homicide, the problem is was it a criminal act or not, was there criminal intent?

I think the point is that the coroner didn't rule it an accidental death which would make it
virtually impossible to charge anyone with the death.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

don't be a 12 year old with a toy gun at the park and you won't get shot dead by the cops.

Ok, but they had him gunned down within 3 seconds of stopping the car. I'm surprised they didn't shoot out the window while the car was still rolling. What ever happened to assessing a situation before taking a life? Black person. Possible gun. Shoot.

And the officer who shot him is a known shitbird who kicked off another police force for being immature during the handing of firearms.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Ok, but they had him gunned down within 3 seconds of stopping the car. I'm surprised they didn't shoot out the window while the car was still rolling. What ever happened to assessing a situation before taking a life? Black person. Possible gun. Shoot.

And the officer who shot him is a known shitbird who kicked off another police force for being immature during the handing of firearms.

I agree with you, I was being my typcially sarcastic gfy self.



sarcasm off-

we have a cop problem in America.


sarcasm back on

[newB]

Originally Posted by baddog

Finding that to be a homicide is basically the same as having a study determine that water is wet.

Bad analogy, as it is easily debatable whether or not water is wet. Dump water on yourself and you become wet. Dump water on water and the water is no wetter, you just have more water.

[Tom_PM]

When Eric Garner was choked to death by police, so many came to say he died of a heart attack even after learning that the medical examiners report classified it as a homicide due to compressed airway. Now some seemed to just suddenly see the light during this killing and say yep, it's a homicide. At least you should be consistent. They are both dead as a result of homicide by police.

So here we are again, no doubt waiting for a simple majority of grand jury members to hear a wonderfully prepared report by everyone who has the interests of the police at heart and vote that there was no crime. After all, the cops came flying ONTO the playground, stopped and the kid reached for his waistband. No choice but to kill.

Oh, lets get it out of the way.

bad parenting
shouldn't play with guns
obey
stop resisting

.. congrats for noticing rudimentary cause and effect.

Doesn't explain the increase in homicide by cop during the fourth straight decade of decline in violent crimes. Maybe it's time to consider the possibility that changes in training and procedure need to happen.

[zolazola]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

I think the point is that the coroner didn't rule it an accidental death which would make it
virtually impossible to charge anyone with the death.

That acctualy makes sense

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I agree with you, I was being my typcially sarcastic gfy self.



sarcasm off-

we have a cop problem in America.


sarcasm back on

But do you really believe there's a cop problem? Anyone with sense knows cops have a tough job and don't get paid nearly enough for putting their lives in danger -- but they can't go around using bullets as a first option when they feel there's a possibility their lives might be in danger. Being in danger is part of their job, and they're supposed to protect the public, even when the public is being stupid. Police are not gods who rule over us ready to hand out justice at their own whim. They're our employees and it's been forgotten by a lot of them.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by bronco67

But do you really believe there's a cop problem? Anyone with sense knows cops have a tough job and don't get paid nearly enough for putting their lives in danger -- but they can't go around using bullets as a first option when they feel there's a possibility their lives might be in danger. Being in danger is part of their job, and they're supposed to protect the public, even when the public is being stupid. Police are not gods who rule over us ready to hand out justice at their own whim. They're our employees and it's been forgotten by a lot of them.

I absolutely believe there is a cop problem in America.



the problems stems from

1. zero accountability for police officers

2. a justice system skewed towards police

3. policies and procedures and training.

4. the militarization of police

5. police hiring trained killer afghanistan and iraq war veterans.

6. the lack of community members becoming police within their own communities

[MK Ultra]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

I think the point is that the coroner didn't rule it an accidental death which would make it
virtually impossible to charge anyone with the death.

Calling it homicide just means death at the hands of another, it makes no assumptions about criminality of the act. Homicide is a very different word than murder.

Originally Posted by bronco67

Ok, but they had him gunned down within 3 seconds of stopping the car.I'm surprised they didn't shoot out the window while the car was still rolling. What ever happened to assessing a situation before taking a life?

And that's the fault of the cop driving the car, when he pulled up so close to the kid he didn't give the cop who shot any time to make an assessment, the cop was in the open with no cover close enough to get to in a few seconds as he sees a hand go for a gun in the waistband, what did you expect him to do just stand there? I think being so close he could have run towards the kid and maybe tackled him before the kid could get the gun out, but that's just me second-guessing I wasn't there.

Originally Posted by bronco67

Black person. Possible gun. Shoot.

You are making an assumption that race had anything to do with it.
I watched a very interesting story on CNN about a study using real cops in shoot/don't shoot virtual situations and a curious fact emerged during the study, a very high percentage of white cops tested hesitated to shoot when the suspect was black.

But that doesn't fit the narrative that says that cops are trigger-happy racists, no story there.

Originally Posted by bronco67

And the officer who shot him is a known shitbird who kicked off another police force for being immature during the handing of firearms.

Yeah I agree with you on that the guy should never have been a cop, and there are lots of bad cops that police departments are aware of but can't get rid of them because of powerful unions.

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

Maybe it's time to consider the possibility that changes in training and procedure need to happen.

100%

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by FriendsForNow

Let's discuss this poor innocent child's upbringing. In this day and age, wouldn't you think pointing a gun at someone would be a cause for alarm?

You blacks complain of constantly being picked on by the police. Wouldn't that make you just a little more careful of your activities?

That makes sense because 10,000 black kids did that this weekend and that shows a pattern right?
Either that or you just reached up your ass and pulled out something and said "ahh haa".

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by MK Ultra

Calling it homicide just means death at the hands of another, it makes no assumptions about criminality of the act. Homicide is a very different word than murder.

Could you please condescend just a little more so I don't have to reach up to see you.



Coroners don't ever make rulings of "murder" so you wasted some breath on that one.

[MK Ultra]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Could you please condescend just a little more so I don't have to reach up to see you.



Coroners don't ever make rulings of "murder" so you wasted some breath on that one.

Was I being condescending or are you just being oversensitive?
In your post you seemed to say that calling it a homicide implied it was criminal.


whatever


fuck it it's friday, which is my Drink Cheap Beer And Watch Bad Movies Day which is what I'm going to go back to doing now

[bagfull]

Free brass monkey
most young boys of all colors play with toy guns,
cops could of stop the car distants and see what was going on, then shoot the poor kid

[Seth Manson]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

5. police hiring trained killer afghanistan and iraq war veterans.

So, Veterans should be discriminated against?

What's next, we shouldnt allow Veterans to be school teachers?