ReggieDurango

All the haters want to say he's guilty but the truth is he had nothing to do with it!

dyna mo

see my deflated ball practice thread for a logical support.

American Psycho

My balls are deflated.

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Joshua G

such a non-story when everyone admits the balls had no effect on the game.

good case how the media needs something to exploit, so this will be front page for the next 10 days.

EngineCash

They've beat them up... And they all have played with the same balls.. Don't know how people can talk this shit...

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fappingJack

people talk shit when they have nothing good to say. thats reality

seeandsee

lol Patriots are best, go fuck yourself with fake ball

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poncabare

cheating sum bitches

hottoddy

Gotta love their long and illustrious history of cheating.

The Patriots finally got caught stealing signals, and using cameras to spy on opposing teams in 2007, but it's suspected to have started with Belichick's arrival in 2000. And that's just some of their shenanigans. They have not been able to repeat a Super Bowl win since ... but next week will be their 3rd try since "Spygate."

2007 National Football League videotaping controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

6 Times The New England Patriots Allegedly Cheated In Big Games

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AmateurBros

He had something to do with it, without question -- that's as obvious as anything. NO ONE on his team is going to change the pressure in the footballs he's playing with, without him knowing. It's him who decides EXACTLY how much or how little air is put in them and he'd know the difference the instant he touched the ball.

He's not going to play with a football that isn't how he wants it.

dyna mo

there is nothing at all obvious and without question. you think a multi-billion dollar operation simply threw caution to the wind in an NFC championship game and incorporated an unproven and unpracticed cheating strategy that didn't even bother to cover its' tracks?


that's simply preposterous.

AmateurBros

Do you say anything before thinking?

And it's not unproven that a ball with less air in it is easier to grip when it's wet -- that's called common sense -- it's easier to catch in that situation too (obviously).

The Patriots are the ones who put the air in the balls (no one else) -- they knew what they were doing and Tom Brady was part of it. If he wasn't part of it, why would he not have asked for more air to be put in the balls, to play with them how he wanted? The guy throws a football for a living, any change in it, he's going to know instantly when he picks it up -- and if something wasn't how he wanted and someone on the team tampered with it -- he would have been furious.

No one is going to do anything on the New England team, to the footballs, without Brady's knowledge.

AmateurBros

Former QB Troy Aikman: "It's obvious that Tom Brady had something to do with this...each team brings their footballs the way they like them and break 'em in. Used to you couldn't break them in. So for the balls to be deflated, that doesn't happen unless the quarterback wants that to happen, I can assure you of that."

Former QB Mark Brunell: "I did not believe what Tom had to say. Those balls were deflated. Somebody had to do it. I don't believe there's an equipment manager in the NFL that would, on his own initiative, deflate a ball without the starting QB's approval ... That football is our livelihood. If you don't feel good about throwing that ball? Your success on the football field can suffer from that."

Former RB Jerome Bettis: "I'm so disappointed, because I thought this was a perfect opportunity for Tom Brady to go and say 'You know what? I made a mistake. I blew it. It's on me. I'll take the blame here, and this will go away.' He didn't do that ... I'm disappointed in you Tom Brady."

Former safety Brian Dawkins: "This is unbelievable. For you not to know what you touch every play? ... The equipment manager is being thrown under the bus now. Now he's the guy. Now he's the one responsible. He took it upon himself to doctor up the balls when nobody else knew about it? That?s hard (to believe)."

AmateurBros

Btw, the Patriots are my favorite team, but I don't become consciously delusional like so many of you in situations like this.

dyna mo

no need to get butthurt and make it personal. try and have an adult discussion.


you do realize no one had to alter the pressure right? or are you just going with what the media tells you?

did anyone measure the pressure in the colts' balls? what were they? what was the pressure in the 12th ball? was it normal or not as low?

more science, for those who can have an open mind here.


A ball exposed to 10-degree temperatures for an hour, the pressure drops from 13.5 PSI to 11 PSI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59PE...utu.be&t=1m50s


for anyone with an open mind, there in nothing obvious to assume here.

dyna mo

100% conjecture.

so yes, you are simply going with what the media tells you to think.

dyna mo

It's not surprising you think an open mind = consciously delusional.

it's a fucking game, try and not get butthurt because someone else has a different view and is open to the possible explanations.


and I can't stand the pats. fuck them.

AmateurBros

Explain why there was no affect on the Colt's footballs, Mr. Science?

AmateurBros

What the media tells us?

They are former football players. Find one former football player, who has said anything different in the past week. The only one's who believe Brady knew nothing about those, are people lack a tad bit of common sense.

Answer this question. If the balls were tampered with, or not what Brady wanted -- WHY did he not ask to have them checked and have more air put in them. Give a simple explanation for that, I'm interested in hearing it.

dyna mo

can you read? I just stated a question asking if the Colts' balls were measured. I.e., they fucking weren't measured so you have no fucking way to compare. so you are making up even more bullshit by claiming the Colts' balls were not effected. jesus fucking christ.

if that's science to you, step away from this convo, you're over your head.'

AmateurBros

You're the one who started this debate between us -- because you didn't like my point of view. It wasn't the other way around. Get confused much?

dyna mo

Joe Thiesmann :
Theismann throws deflated balls, says he can't tell the difference

Theismann throws deflated balls, says he can't tell the difference | NFL | Sporting News

steve young:
I can't tell the difference

Former NFL quarterbacks talk Deflategate

dan Marino:
the last thing you're thinking about as a quarterback when you get to the line of scrimmage is, 'I wonder if this football is to 2 psi lighter?'


Since you are obviously NOT a football fan, you've prolly never heard of those guys. Briefly, they are hall of fame NFL quarterbacks. google them to brush up.

AmateurBros

If they weren't measured, there would be no discussion about this. It's as simple as that. The league isn't going to come down on one team, without checking out what the other team's balls were as well.

I'm over my head? Answer my question there bud...

If the balls were tampered with, or not what Brady wanted -- WHY did he not ask to have them checked and have more air put in them? Give a simple explanation for that, I'm interested in hearing it.

dyna mo

I didn't make it personal, I stated there is nothing obvious about this whatsoever. And there is not. You didn't like that and came back with your personal comments instead of any proof to support your closed-minded view.

AmateurBros

If you can't tell that you can grip a ball better, that's deflated less, there's an issue somewhere

dyna mo

provide just 1 link to any site that claims the COlts' balls were measured.

you truly are thoroughly confused. Here, I will rephrase. By my stating that there is nothing obvious about this at this time, then questions are UNANSWERED. Has the NFL ruled on this yet? of course not. because questions remain. like the weather.can you grasp that or should I let a little pressure out of my delivery so you can catch it better?

x12media

Ummm Go Patriots ... :-)

AmateurBros

Hey true football fan, every football, for every game, is altered exactly how the quarterback wants them. That's why teams provide their own.

dyna mo

yup, someone who doesn't understand the sport, let alone couldn't throw a football 10 yards thinks their view trumps hall of fame quarterbacks'!

AmateurBros

"Colts safety Mike Adams intercepted Tom Brady twice in that game and gave the balls to the Colts' equipment manager to save -- and both times there were concerns about the balls feeling under-inflated, sources told Schefter."

Do you agree that this is possible? Since Joe Thiesmann, Steve Young and Dan Marino said they can't tell any difference.

dyna mo

Still many unanswered questions: Despite a rush to judgment in some circles, there is incomplete information to analyze.
This is the challenge of the 24/7 news cycle.

Unfortunately, that hasn't stopped some from publicly questioning the integrity of Brady -- which, from this viewpoint, has crossed the line based on the credible information available.

Piecing it all together on deflated footballs - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

AmateurBros

AmateurBros

Dan Marino stating that a deflated ball could give you an advantage in colder weather

Video here

dyna mo

is what possible? My entire point here is anything is possible and based on so many big unanswered questions, there is nothing obvious about this at this point in time.


3rd time i've had to mention that here.


so hey, where is that link with the ball pressure measurement on those Colts footballs?

dyna mo

no, he's saying maybe it could. and in fact, it didn't give brady an advantage in the game.

oh and thanks, MArino states exactly what I am saying, there are unanswered questions and he thinks there is no reason to think BRady cheated at this point.

AmateurBros

I gave a link above and have found others. The Colts balls were tested and were all said to be fine.

AmateurBros

I know, can you read okay? I said "could".

Also, I didn't say once that it gave him an advantage in that game. I said a ball deflated some would be easier to grip on, and easier to catch -- which it is. No where did I say it was at his advantage in that particular game.

dyna mo

that was the pregame measurement. it does not say in that link that the COlts' balls were confiscated and measured in game and or post-game, like the pats' balls were.

dyna mo

"maybe could" is what he said. there's a difference and that's his point. He can't say what he really wants to say throughout the entire interview, you should watch it.

dyna mo

aaron rogers is on the record stating an over-inflated ball is easier for him to grip.

so go on....

AmateurBros

A much firmer object is easier to grip than a less firm object??? Are you serious?

Next you'll be saying it's easier to catch one that's over inflated...and easier for sure to catch an over inflated one in the rain / snow -- right?

dyna mo

what do you mean am I serious? Yes, I am seriously posting the fact that aaron rogers stated he prefers overinflated footballs because he can grip them better.

again, there is nothing obvious about the deflated balls. if there were the NFL statement released an hour ago would claim that and they would have easily made a conclusion. they didn't.

dyna mo

no, this is not possible. IN fact, it's wrong.


Colts? D?Qwell Jackson says he did not spark DeflateGate by noticing football's feel on interception
Linebacker says he wanted picked off ball as a souvenir, which is why he brought it to the sideline, not because he felt deflation.

The deal about me saying that I noticed anything about it, that?s totally false,? he said, according to the Associated Press. ?I don?t know how it got to this point, but somehow I?m in the middle of it.?

SuckOnThis

And the 12th football had magical air in it.

dyna mo

yup.

if not, then you can easily explain the 12th fucking football not being deflated.

Rochard

I think this is a lot of talk about nothing.

So far we have zero proof of any wrong doing, multiple versions of if it would be beneficial if a ball was deflated, and if if the ball was deflated I doubt it would have made much of a difference.

I play basketball EVERY DAY and football isn't my thing... But it seems to me if you played football for a living and were used to properly inflated balls, using deflated balls would be more difficult to handle - I mean, you handle a ball every day and you expect to handle a certain way and suddenly it changes that's a huge problem.

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ReggieDurango

Haha

Ok that's good

kane

According to the article on ESPN the deflated balls were all used during the first half of the game. The balls used at the start of the second half were checked and were found to be fine and they were checked again at the end of the game and found to still be fine.

This means that either: A. Somewhere between when the balls were checked and approved by the officials and when they were discovered to be deflated in the first half they lost air magically or as some would say because of the cold and environment, yet for some reason that same cold and same environment didn't have the same affect on the balls in the second half or B. Someone messed with them.

Personally, I think they were messed with in an effort to gain a slight advantage. I don't, however, think the balls had any affect on the outcome of the game.