Anyone use adultseo.com?

[DigitalPimpNetwork]

Started a basic campaign with them, anyone have any experience with them?

[Arnox]

AdultSEO.com: You're Doing it Wrong - Bad SEO - X Optimizers

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Arnox

AdultSEO.com: You're Doing it Wrong - Bad SEO - X Optimizers

a) you seem to be totally clueless about search engines

b) "For quite some time now, the #1 spot on Google for ‘adult seo’ returns AdultSEO.com. I’ve always hated this fact, not because it’s losing me business (by the start of 2015, we will be #1. Just letting you know now!),"
... well, its been a year since you wrote that you're not even in the top 25 results.

c) quite a bit of irony to be calling out the guy who ranks number 2 for the VERY LOW COMPETITION phrase you can't even get on the front page for.

all you do with your blog post is regurgitate the same old tired and untrue myths, attacking the guy for doing everything wrong - even though he is kicking your ass. that doesn't even make sense. I mean, in a fucking year, you couldn't break #25 for a low competition phrase. guys who aren't even trying are beating you with facebook pages and linkedin profiles and osdesk posts.

d) if you actually could do anything you claim to do, your results would be all over the front page for high volume, high competition phrases and you'd be too busy monetizing traffic and cashing checks and would have no time to sca... er... "consult"

[johnny_d]

I've heard about people using it several times, and they were not recommending it.

[Arnox]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

c) quite a bit of irony to be calling out the guy who ranks number 2 for the VERY LOW COMPETITION phrase you can't even get on the front page for.

I'm not going to jeopardize getting potential clients by having a trashy backlink profile. AdultSEO.com might be interested in sacrificing integrity for short-term gains, I have no such desire.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

all you do with your blog post is regurgitate the same old tired and untrue myths, attacking the guy for doing everything wrong - even though he is kicking your ass. that doesn't even make sense. I mean, in a fucking year, you couldn't break #25 for a low competition phrase. guys who aren't even trying are beating you with facebook pages and linkedin profiles and osdesk posts.

Because we all know that Google is some magical entity that shits out perfect SERPs every day, right?

If you're going to claim that I'm using 'tired and untrue myths' (untrue myth, lolwut?), at least cite which ones. Attack what exists using verifiable evidence, not trashy double-speak.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

d) if you actually could do anything you claim to do, your results would be all over the front page for high volume, high competition phrases and you'd be too busy monetizing traffic and cashing checks and would have no time to sca... er... "consult"

Yeah, just as if M&C Saatchi were any good at advertising, they'd just develop their own products and monetize their ability to create great campaigns. I mean, it's not as if they're a 350 million dollar company. You do realize that sometimes, people can just offer services, right? Your argument is no different to suggesting that a soy farm produce tofu or an iron miner build sports cars.

I provide SEO because I like to diversify my income streams. I can't market escorts in London because I don't live there: what I can do is charge someone to do that job for them and take my value away from the experience. Likewise with a bunch of other potential avenues of income.

Also, tell you what: you show me what you have in equity from the last 6 months of affiliate marketing (let's include mainstream as well) and I'll show you mine. Deal?

You'd be hard pressed to find one person on this board that has been unhappy with the service I've provided. I do my job and I do it well, but just because I'm not going to blast the ass off my site with trashy backlinks doesn't really reflect poorly upon my business. In fact, I see it as a bonus.

So go ahead and enjoy your frozen-custard.info and easy-hyponics.com backlinks: I'm not going to ruin the credibility of my site by showing that I don't give a shit about where I get my juice from.

[3xmedia]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

d) if you actually could do anything you claim to do, your results would be all over the front page for high volume, high competition phrases and you'd be too busy monetizing traffic and cashing checks and would have no time to sca... er... "consult"

correct

[sonofsam]

I have no dog in this fight, but I would prefer a clean backlinks profile and lower rankings than a high ranking with a spammy backlinks profile. The latter are generally the ones who Google updates hit hard, and depending on how you're hit, you may never recover. For my main business site I wouldn't want to take that risk.

[ITraffic]

thanks for the laughs ...

[Freedom6995]

I thought this thread was about adultseo?

[TheSquealer]

Arnox, say anything you want... but at the end of the day, you are attacking a competitor for doing a much better job than you are. That's absurd on many levels. You said you'd beat him by the first of the year and a year later you are absolutely nowhere.

To all those talking about "link profiles". You have no idea what back links a person has. Unless you have your own search engine and you are crawling the entire adult and non adult web, storing trillions of pages and tracking link patterns... there is no way to know. There is no tool today that reports more than even a tiny % of back links as they rely on search engines to provide that data and they provide ALMOST NOTHING. That is a fact.

For all you know, he has 250 awesome links and 30,000 spammy links and he's 100% fine and going to be 100% fine. Just because you managed to find 20 shitty back links, doesn't mean he's "doing it wrong". Clearly he's not, since he's still number 2 for the phrase Arnox was claiming he'd own in a year and doesn't even come close to.

I've done a LOT of search spamming over the years. It's not like i'm guessing. I look up my own link profiles constantly. I know exactly what is reported and what can be found. It's not much.


Just my thoughts... if you're going to hijack a thread AND attack a competitor as a method of shameless self promotion.... thats kinda shitty. It would be one thing if you actually had a point that mattered and data that mattered. But again, he's kicking your ass for over a year now, so it's clear who needs to "do it right" and who is "doing it wrong". The irony of your thread jacking is mind numbing.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

There is no tool today that reports more than even a tiny % of back links as they rely on search engines to provide that data and they provide ALMOST NOTHING. That is a fact.

You're wrong. There are two very reliable tools available at a monthly cost and they're pretty accurate. They don't rely on search engines. They themselves index the web.

[makeabuck]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Arnox, say anything you want... but at the end of the day, you are attacking a competitor for doing a much better job than you are. That's absurd on many levels. You said you'd beat him by the first of the year and a year later you are absolutely nowhere.

To all those talking about "link profiles". You have no idea what back links a person has. Unless you have your own search engine and you are crawling the entire adult and non adult web, storing trillions of pages and tracking link patterns... there is no way to know. There is no tool today that reports more than even a tiny % of back links as they rely on search engines to provide that data and they provide ALMOST NOTHING. That is a fact.

For all you know, he has 250 awesome links and 30,000 spammy links and he's 100% fine and going to be 100% fine. Just because you managed to find 20 shitty back links, doesn't mean he's "doing it wrong". Clearly he's not, since he's still number 2 for the phrase Arnox was claiming he'd own in a year and doesn't even come close to.

I've done a LOT of search spamming over the years. It's not like i'm guessing. I look up my own link profiles constantly. I know exactly what is reported and what can be found. It's not much.


Just my thoughts... if you're going to hijack a thread AND attack a competitor as a method of shameless self promotion.... thats kinda shitty. It would be one thing if you actually had a point that mattered and data that mattered. But again, he's kicking your ass for over a year now, so it's clear who needs to "do it right" and who is "doing it wrong". The irony of your thread jacking is mind numbing.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

You're wrong. There are two very reliable tools available at a monthly cost and they're pretty accurate. They don't rely on search engines. They themselves index the web.

I did contradict myself... but i did say unless you are indexing the entire web, there is no way to know. For most of the life of SEO, people had to rely on what was provided by search engines which was never much. Are these tools secret? Why not just post the links? I haven't been too worried about it in recent years but I would be interested to see them. I remember seomoz was starting to do this years back but their tools still relied on search engines reporting back to them, as i recall. Being that Google announced they had passed 3 trillion pages indexed in 2008, i really can't imagine anyone trying to index the web as a "tool" as it would require unreal computing power and storage and couldn't possibly pay for itself by selling the tool or providing access.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I did contradict myself... but i did say unless you are indexing the entire web, there is no way to know. For most of the life of SEO, people had to rely on what was provided by search engines which was never much. Are these tools secret? Why not just post the links? I haven't been too worried about it in recent years but I would be interested to see them.

Majestic & Ahrefs

They both index the entire web. There is usually a 5% tolerance when it comes to results, meaning one may deviate from the other by around 5% on average. Used together you get a pretty complete and accurate picture.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Being that Google announced they had passed 3 trillion pages indexed in 2008, i really can't imagine anyone trying to index the web as a "tool" as it would require unreal computing power and storage and couldn't possibly pay for itself by selling the tool or providing access.

Availability of scalable powerful computing and network resources is better now than it was in 2008. It's possible to index the entire web quite cheaply (relatively) using off the shelf compute resources offered by Amazon and other providers, feed that data to micro services which are scalable and cheap then you can analyse that data for pennies.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Majestic & Ahrefs

They both index the entire web. There is usually a 5% tolerance when it comes to results, meaning one may deviate from the other by around 5% on average. Used together you get a pretty complete and accurate picture.

Interesting... reading about them now. Thats a huge technical task for sure.

[Arnox]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Arnox, say anything you want... but at the end of the day, you are attacking a competitor for doing a much better job than you are.

On a single keyword, using outdated tactics that reflect poorly on their practices of SEO.

This thread has already had one person say that multiple people have had issues with the service and found it to be less than helpful. All I can say is that you'd be hard pressed to find any client of mine that wasn't happy with the work that I've done. X Optimizers has provided consistent results, and we've managed to do that because we value the future of our contracts. I'm not going to pump a client's site for three months with trashy backlinks, nor am I going to populate my blog with stolen blog posts. I have absolutely no interest in doing that.

I have clients that have seen the steps I take in order to get rankings. They're safe, verifiable and typically involve a lot of hard work.

Your analogy of being 'beaten' for that one keyword means very little to me: no different to going up to a stock broker, pointing out that one of his tips dropped over the next year and how your penny stock suggestion tripled in value.

I'm happy to 'shamelessly self promote', because I'm not a rat that spams poor quality backlink profiles onto my clients' websites, steals blog posts and avoids any level of consistency with regard to how their snippets appear in SERPs.

But go ahead and bitch at me all you want. The fact you think there are no tools to display website backlinks should really demonstrate to everyone here how well equipped you are to be talking about SEO.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Arnox

On a single keyword, using outdated tactics that reflect poorly on their practices of SEO.

h

Again, they are kicking your ass for the phrase YOU'VE stated that YOU WANT... and you've been losing money (by your own admission) because of it. You are 100% invisible for one of the very few search phrases that matter to you and that best describe your business.

As has always been the case since day one in SEO, there are results,... and everything else.

If you didn't suck you could have 4 or 5 pages in the top 10 for that phrase. It could be your tumblr pages, your facebook pages, your linkedin profiles etc etc etc etc etc... But again, its all clearly WAY out of your depth, or you'd be doing it and you'd be owning the top 10 results instead of trying to attack those that are clearly better than you at what you proclaim yourself to be an expert at.

End of story.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Majestic & Ahrefs

They both index the entire web. There is usually a 5% tolerance when it comes to results, meaning one may deviate from the other by around 5% on average. Used together you get a pretty complete and accurate picture.



Availability of scalable powerful computing and network resources is better now than it was in 2008. It's possible to index the entire web quite cheaply (relatively) using off the shelf compute resources offered by Amazon and other providers, feed that data to micro services which are scalable and cheap then you can analyse that data for pennies.

It was actually 2008 when i let my networks go and started focusing on PPC... but you're right. I think it was that year that seomoz started trying to index portions of the web, a year later or so or later that year, they launched opensiteexplorer which was really just pulling data from yahoo and google. it shouldn't be surprising that there are a few tools now indexing significant chunks of the web to analyze link relationships given cloud services and declining prices. I just hadn't really thought about it. Prior to that, there was only data from search engines and it was sparse at best. It was then that amazon and others were coming online and we were only barely taking advantage and it was still a little pricey.

[Arnox]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Again, they are kicking your ass for the phrase YOU'VE stated that YOU WANT... and you've been losing money (by your own admission) because of it. You are 100% invisible for one of the very few search phrases that matter to you and that best describe your business.

As has always been the case since day one in SEO, there are results,... and everything else.

If you didn't suck you could have 4 or 5 sites in the top 10 for that phrase. It could be your tumblr pages, your facebook pages, your linkedin profiles etc etc etc etc etc... But again, its all clearly WAY out of your depth, or you'd be doing it and you'd be owning the top 10 results instead of trying to attack those that are clearly better than you at what you proclaim yourself to be an expert at.

End of story.

You haven't responded to a single question I've put forward or response I've given, plus you seem really eager to just finish the conversation by saying things like 'End of story'. If you're going to attack me, at least respond to my defense.

Starting to think now that you're just a no-name troll that talks nonsense. Thankfully, your mission to discredit me only serves to my advantage.

I have no interest in dealing with clients that want black-hat techniques performed on their sites, so anyone that looks at your scathing criticism of my squeaky clean backlink profile is going to see that I actually fucking care about offering a decent service, and that I'm not just a glorified middleman for low-quality Fivrr gigs.

Unless someone else pipes up with some valid conversation, I won't respond to this thread again. Feel free to have the last word, you do a better job of advertising X Optimizers than I do.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Arnox

you do a better job of advertising X Optimizers than I do.

To be fair, I think anybody could do a better job than you.

Even DVTimes.

I clicked your link at the top of the thread, noticed the 2015 claim, did a simple Google search and saw that you were nowhere to be found.

You're all snake oil salesman, though. If you were actually any good at it you'd be too busy making money by ranking your own campaigns. Selling what you do to any ol' schmo for $XX/hr. would be insulting.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by epitome

You're all snake oil salesman, though. If you were actually any good at it you'd be too busy making money by ranking your own campaigns. Selling what you do to any ol' schmo for $XX/hr. would be insulting.

I don't mind a lot of things in the this biz. I get all the lying and stealing and cutthroat tactics. But personally, i've always felt that SEO guys are the worst in that they exist only to prey on ignorant and naive people. They offer no guarantees. They don't risk anything up front. They make tons of promises which always go unfulfilled and eventually the relationship dies with the "consultant" blaming algo updates.

And as you've said, if he was capable of doing anything beyond creating a blog and crafting page titles, headlines and articles with the keywords he wanted, he'd be taking up 5 of the top 10 results for "adult seo", instead of being nowhere to be found. I mean that phrase isn't even going to make him money and he can't get it - in spite of being VERY low competition. But he'll have others believe he can get them in top spots for competitive phrases.... for a price of course. He's such a fucking moron, it hasn't even occurred to him to do what others are doing and then start ranking parasite pages, facebook pages, other profile pages etc etc etc etc. If my business depended on ranking for nonsense phrases with low competition, i'd be focused on owning all top 10 results before spouting off about the tactics of others who out-rank him.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by Arnox

Feel free to have the last word, you do a better job of advertising X Optimizers than I do.

Run a mile from anyone who promises this kind of stuff:

Escort SEO - Link Building & Site Optimization For Escorts

That's his other site btw.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Run a mile from anyone who promises this kind of stuff:

Escort SEO - Link Building & Site Optimization For Escorts

That's his other site btw.

Haha... he wants to charge escorts $75.00 an hour for SEO services. Jesus....

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Haha... he wants to charge escorts $75.00 an hour for SEO services. Jesus....

And uses stats like this to prove his "services"

[DigitalPimpNetwork]

If anyone actually has any experience with adultseo.com please share

[Paz]

Originally Posted by Arnox

Xoptimizers.com We're Doing it Wrong - Bad SEO - X Optimizers

Uncool to try and drum up business like this. BTW you should update the date in your footer from 2014 in your WordPress blog on xoptimizers.com, any SEO worth their salt would know the importance of that.

[Relentless]

If anyone wants to buy the domain PornSEO.com contact me. Right now it forwards to SEO Text Writing Service - Engine Food and with the quality branding Engine Food has built over the years, it really wouldn't serve much of a purpose for me to invest resources into ranking for a porn specific SEO term. You can reach me through my site any time.

Incidentally, ranking for "adult SEO" as a term is pointless. It shows mostly that you don't have a client list of successful companies that rank for meaningful terms with your help. If you are looking to hire an SEO company, find one that has a hand in ranking for the terms you want (that means they likely have inventory and contacts in that niche already which can be put to use for you immediately). An SEO who already ranks sites for "interracial casting" will be much more useful for your interracial casting site than one who ranks for "best SEO company in the universe seven days a week whether you believe it or not" TM

[edgeprod]

This took a turn in a hurry. I recommend the poster above me, though.