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FIDDY mismatches.

Bruce Lee for the Win!

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This thread is chuckle worthy.

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Bruce Lee gets my vote.

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I repeat Bruce Lee would win hands down

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TheSquealer

Bruce lee would win..... because..... Uhm..... Enter The Dragon was a cool movie ?Do you have secret footage of him fighting 230 fights and winning that no one has seen? Or because his basic silly demonstrations of his "one inch punch" we're cool, though completely ignoring the immutable laws of physics where force = mass*acceleration and where both mass and acceleration are clearly absent in his technique.

Again... force = mass * acceleration. Mike Tyspn had unreal hand speed for his size which is why he had so many knockouts.

Bruce Lee had..., poor acting And some good ideas.... nothing more.

As Nick said, you could only believe Bruce Lee stood a chance if you don't understand what it is to see or feel a talented heavyweight boxer hitting to kill. No one is winning Glory, Strikeforce, K1, Pride, UFC, Thai Fight etc and thanking Bruce Lee for his one inch punch. He gets praise for standing up and openly saying that most of what Chinese styles are based around is silly and impractical and ineffective. That fact however, does not make him a talented fighter. It just makes him pragmatic. He is often referred to as "The Father of MMA" for his practical theories and thinking, not because of his abilities.

How many pro MMA fighters ever studied Jeet Kun Do? 1? 2? Maybe. What does that tell you?

Also people really don't get that moving quick on camera in choreographed routines - though sometimes impressive, does not translate into great fighting ability. Using speed for the camera is not the same as using speed AND power for devastating strikes.

TheSquealer

It should also be said that any mediocre MMA fighter today has a big advantage over any one training any single discipline.

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tyson would probably literally kill bruce lee in a fight

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this thread needs a poll. someone make a pole pls

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pornmasta

Lucha libre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Krav Maga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

any displine that allows (nearly) everything can be more dangerous than MMA

Anthony

Show me one record of Bruce Lee winning anything fighting outside of a movie or ChaCha Dance competition.

Tyson all day.

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Anthony

Oh come on, let's be for real. You don't have any girls in your class who can beat Bruce Lee. BJJ is good, but let's not get it twisted.

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pornmasta

Anthony

What does that mean? One fight that no one knows what happened in other than Bruce Lee won against some guy you think is Mike Tyson caliber?

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TheSquealer

I said "MMA fighter". There is no fighting style called "MMA" and since you brought it up, MMA allows pretty much everything regardless. It certainly allows anything that is actually effective and useful in a fight.

Anthony

Most people don't understand that. Forgive him for his ignorance.

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pornmasta

"any single discipline":

so sambo, krav maga, jujutsu and lucha libre.

czarina

Bruce Lee all the way

TheSquealer

It's an amusing conversation to me. "Who would win..., the non fighter.... Or the incredible heavyweight pro with decades of world class experiment and world titles?"

Funny that question could even be asked with a straight face

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pornmasta

do you allow elbow kick ? kick in the balls ? in the throat ?
In krav maga, the rule is to survive not to show your balls like in BJJ

czarina

The reason he would win is because Tyson would never land a hit on him. He was too fast, too nimble. And he could hit too, so while Tyson would be trying to get to him, he'd be able to land a few kicks.
Now, if Tyson would manage to hit him, Bruce Lee would go down, simply because of physics.

TheSquealer

Meaning the average MMA fighter has effective boxing, good footwork, good kicks and good wrestling/take down defense and submissions. No single discipline has all that which is why MMA fighter train several styles at once and usually have a prior background in something else before starting a fight career.

Again... Krav Maga is straight idiocy. No pro fighter talks about how their Krav Maga training helped them unless it was about mental toughness. Sambo is wrestling. Any Medicare MMA fighter can defend take downs. John Jones is a jujitsu white belt that took Cormier down 5 times (an Olympic wrestler) and stuffed every attempt.

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TheSquealer

All goofy, impractical and ineffective fighting styles have those arguments. Only a non fighter would make them. Good luck trying to elbow Or kick to the balls someone who trains Muay Thai and is wearing a cup (not that you'd land the kick without getting punched anyway)

pornmasta

no, it is not: they use what is effective.

TheSquealer

I have always said "the person who has the advantage is the person who has thrown the most techniques and had the most thrown at him in actual fighting" the style is irrelevant. You guys compare a real fighter to an actor.

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Anthony

Krav Maga is another example of RBSD Reality Based Self Defense. Looks really good in training, but zero application in the real world where the bad guy does not throw a punch here so you can throw an elbow kick there.

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TheSquealer

As someone who has spent his fair share time in Russia training martial arts.... Uhm yeah, it is. The military version is just a little more aggressive with locks and breaks. Oleg Taktarov in the early UFC days was straight sambo. His fights were always the same... A boring turd, laying on top of another boring turd (like severin)

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Anthony

And you base this on what? His movies? Where it was choreographed fighting?

Have you ever seen Mike Tyson fight? He was smaller than all his opponents, and you haven't seen fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2rpfX7Gi6Y

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pornmasta

You know i have nearly no experience in fighting, it is just that once i fighted some bjj fighter... (with any real experience in fighting) and he showed me his neck.. nuff said...
Oh yes, he won the fight... i was disqualified because i manipulated chilies 3 hours ago for my lunch... cry my a river...
So no bjj for me...

TheSquealer

I tried to watch a lot of training just out of curiosity. There is the mental aspect "don't give up no matter what" that is good. But when it comes to actual techniques, it seemed to me to be really silly. All the techniques of disarming etc reminde of aikido. Looks cool until you realize that people don't just dangle a weapon out in front of them, available to grab. Trained people certainly don't.

TheSquealer

There is a YouTube video of a guy shitting his pants at a BJJ tournament

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Dorkside

I love Lee, but I think his size disadvantage might have been too great against an athlete like Tyson in his prime.

pornmasta

i wonder if it is a video of me

TheSquealer

There is a video of him shadow boxing without audio and in the comments people complaining that there was no need to speed the video up so much - when it's not actually sped up at all.

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TheSquealer

I hope not. But as they say, "shit happens" ;)

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Anthony

Same, he's what got me into Martial Arts. But let's not fool ourselves into thinking he could beat Mike Tyson.

Back about 10 years ago, idiots in BJJ used to say a blue belt could beat Mike Tyson. It's just delusional thinking.

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TheSquealer

Weight classes in all fighting exist for a reason. And it's not because the 140lb guy has an advantage over the 230ln guy

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Relentless

And that explains why James Toney got choked out by Randy Couture, why huge strikers like Overeem and Mark Hunt lose to smaller men regularly, why Royce Gracie was able to win UFC championships against much larger fighters...

Oh, that's right, it explains none of those things

Floyd Mayweather has the fastest hands in Boxing right now. Please tell me you don't seriously think he would last 5 rounds in a cage with Aldo. Hand speed doesn't do anything for you when someone takes you down and grinds you out, destroys your legs with kicks, or lands body kicks continuously until you can't breathe.

If it's a lack of respect for Bruce Lee specifically... how about someone like Weidman or George St Pierre - much smaller men than Tyson who also would have easily beat him in any fight in a ring or cage with a referee. The only way Tyson could compete is if he stopped being a boxer and started learning the other areas of the game that are essential to surviving. A one dimensional boxer stands zero chance in a cage fight.

Again... Nick, I am not saying in a broken bottle bar fight... I'm saying in a ring or cage with a ref and rules ;)

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TheSquealer

The question was "can a mediocre lightweight actor with no fighting experience beat a highly talented, world class professional heavyweight fighter". Anyone that actually fights understands that it's highly improbable

Relentless

That's where we split then...

We agree a good lower weight MMA fighter would destroy a great one dimensional boxer. We just disagree about whether or not Lee is a good lower weight fighter. Fair enough.

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TheSquealer

Btw, Today, I already did 2 hrs Muay Thai, and just ran 3 miles and I'm going to take a few hr break and then go spar 10 hard rounds. That is my typical day, 5 days a week. Apart from my other boxing and martial arts experience, I'm pretty well qualified to comment on the topic from practical experience

This has been my daily routine for almost a year now, 5 days a week.

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TheSquealer

Just sayn' I have a black belt in one style of karate and a lot of time invested in another coupled with boxing a fanatic Muay Thai training. I know what two fighters can do to each other, I know what a boxer can do and I know what a martial artist can do and I know quite well how ridiculous Chinese styles are for the most part. That's why the Chinese military had to piece a new style together rather than use anything traditional.

The Porn Nerd

OK let's cut to the chase here, for real:

1. Mike Tyson would win IF he landed a punch. That's a big IF.
2. Bruce Lee would win IF he could land a blow to one of Tyson's pressure points. Another big IF.

Conclusion: Muhammad Ali kicks both their asses, probably at once.

Carry on.

PS: Squeals you are over-training. Just sayin'. Eat a donut, relax man.

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TheSquealer

There is no such thing as "pressure points" within the context of fighting and the way the Chinese use the term In the context of fighting. There are a few points where important nerves are accessible to strike... but it ain't gonna happen in a fight and it ain't gonna stop anyone in their tracks. Proof of that is that people don't do it in full contact fighting.... anywhere... ever.

TheSquealer

Haha I eat like a shithead. I'm trying to wrestle that under control as we speak. I made a video to see myself train and specific techniques and couldn't believe I was looking at myself. In my mind, I have abs. The video seems to think I need to lose twenty pounds.

dig420

Easy answer is that Bruce Lee was an actor, and not a fighter. Mike Tyson was a professional fighter, one of the best to ever walk the planet. Kung Fu, also, has pretty much been exposed as all but completely ineffective.

I have no idea why I'm even bothering to type this. If you don't know it already or need help figuring it out, there's probably no point in telling you lol

dig420

And I would imagine every time someone says that, Helio Gracie rolls over in his grave.

TTI-Rich

A lot of interesting comments here. I would want Bruce Lee to win but I think I have to go with Tyson, simply because he'd crush Lee's skull with one punch.