more proof we are alone in the universe: scientists discover replica solar system 11 billion yrs old

[dyna mo]

that is an incredible discovery:

Scientists have located an ancient solar system, dating back to the dawn of the galaxy, which appears to be a miniature version of the inner planets in our own solar system.

An international research group, including Yale University professors of astronomy Sarbani Basu and Debra Fischer, announced the discovery Jan. 27 in The Astrophysical Journal. The findings are the result of observations made by the NASA Kepler spacecraft over a period of four years.

The old, Sun-like star, named Kepler-444, has five orbiting planets with sizes between those of Mercury and Venus. Kepler-444 formed 11.2 billion years ago, when the universe was less than 20% of its current age.

YaleNews | Astronomers discover a replica solar system


prior to this discovery it was assumed earth-like planets could not form due to the lack of heavy metals in the universe at that time. With this discovery, we know now that there has been even more time for advanced life to evolve far enough along to tame interstellar space travel, so we should have been visited by now


clearly something prevents the development of abundant advanced life that builds interstellar spacecraft.

[Barry-xlovecam]

The five planets in the Kepler-444 system have orbits that are equivalent to less than one-tenth of Earth?s distance from the Sun. The Kepler-444 planets are rocky and Earth-like, but their exact compositions are uncertain.

My first question would be if the planets just ''recently'' cooled off enough to support life? Kepler-444 is how hot compared to the sun's temperature?

[FiReC]

Think of the dinosaurs, those mother fuckers were never getting of this rock and they had a few hundred million years to get it right, and now they gone. Even if there were a bunch of 'dinosaur' planets everywhere, what do you think the chances are that the existence of two advanced civilizations would ever intersect in a 13 x 1000 million years timeline (human ancestors only around last 6 million years) ?

Our timeline of earth being 4.5 billion years old (and us being here) is our timeline, that means every other galaxy,solar system,star and planet has its own timeline with life development timelines different from each other in the scale of 100's of millions of years. Good luck matching up those timelines where the most advanced intersect each other to the same moment in time where they can actually meet.

It seems improbable that the timelines would ever match up, now add in the whole fucking distance between life in the universe, and you are basically at a chance of 0 for life forms as advanced as us to run into each other.

[arock10]

Still trying still failing

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

clearly something prevents the development of abundant advanced life that builds interstellar spacecraft.

Yeah, the overall dumbing-down of the species.

Perhaps an alien civilization existed out there somewhere and annihilated themselves.

I remember in the movie 'Contact' - the scientists were all asked what question they'd ask the extraterrestrials...and one said, "I'd ask how they managed to avoid self-destructing themselves."

Always thought that was rather poignant.

[Diomed]

Don't believe everything you read children.

Question everything, and keep an open mind.

Nobody has a clue yet.

[Bladewire]

The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that is an incredible discovery:



YaleNews | Astronomers discover a replica solar system


prior to this discovery it was assumed earth-like planets could not form due to the lack of heavy metals in the universe at that time. With this discovery, we know now that there has been even more time for advanced life to evolve far enough along to tame interstellar space travel, so we should have been visited by now


clearly something prevents the development of abundant advanced life that builds interstellar spacecraft.

Eh? Firstly, there have been quite a few Goldilocks planets found already and secondly, if there are spacefaring aliens out there, why would they visit us anyway and if they did want to visit, how do you know they haven't (ancient alien theory)?

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by FiReC

Think of the dinosaurs, those mother fuckers were never getting of this rock and they had a few hundred million years to get it right, and now they gone. Even if there were a bunch of 'dinosaur' planets everywhere, what do you think the chances are that the existence of two advanced civilizations would ever intersect in a 13 x 1000 million years timeline (human ancestors only around last 6 million years) ?

Our timeline of earth being 4.5 billion years old (and us being here) is our timeline, that means every other galaxy,solar system,star and planet has its own timeline with life development timelines different from each other in the scale of 100's of millions of years. Good luck matching up those timelines where the most advanced intersect each other to the same moment in time where they can actually meet.

It seems improbable that the timelines would ever match up, now add in the whole fucking distance between life in the universe, and you are basically at a chance of 0 for life forms as advanced as us to run into each other.

Hello

[shoot twice]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that is an incredible discovery:



YaleNews | Astronomers discover a replica solar system


prior to this discovery it was assumed earth-like planets could not form due to the lack of heavy metals in the universe at that time. With this discovery, we know now that there has been even more time for advanced life to evolve far enough along to tame interstellar space travel, so we should have been visited by now


clearly something prevents the development of abundant advanced life that builds interstellar spacecraft.

Money and resources absolutely being wasted looking in outer space
for "* Junk *" that has zero impact on life on our world.

When there's plenty of garbage right here on earth that's having serious impact on life. But not a single dime is being used to study it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_..._garbage_patch

Again money and resources are being wasted looking for LIFE on other worlds.

But there's mountains of undiscovered life right here on earth : Life Is Found Thriving at Ocean's Deepest Point

In my humble opinion NASA and all these ET chasers can go to hell. Start trying to fix the problems here on Earth instead of looking for new real estate.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

clearly something prevents the development of abundant advanced life that builds interstellar spacecraft.

Or it is just fucking hard or impossible to build such crafts.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by FiReC

Think of the dinosaurs, those mother fuckers were never getting of this rock and they had a few hundred million years to get it right, and now they gone.

I don't think that their intent was to leave this "rock". As evolution doesn't work that way, at least until it is time to leave this rock or die in here. If we consider leaving the planet as a evolutionary stepping stone, it would need a shit load of planets with life and also a big bunch of species leaving those planes; as some attemps most likely end up being disasters.

But we did evolve at the time of dinosaurs; mammals I mean.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

prior to this discovery it was assumed earth-like planets could not form due to the lack of heavy metals in the universe at that time

So who said we haven't been visited already?

[MiamiBoyz]

[Penny24Seven]

Lets say there are 10 other planets out there with life that has super space ship and can fly all over. What are the odds of them finding us? We are on a small planet on a galaxy that is one in over a billion of them. Just finding us in this galaxy that is a million light years across would be amazing but a billion more of them. It just doesn't seem possible

[Paz]

Originally Posted by shoot twice

Money and resources absolutely being wasted looking in outer space
for "* Junk *" that has zero impact on life on our world.

Actually many astronomers do their PHD's and go on to become software and electronics geniuses in other industries.

The technology that automates scanning for cancer cells and scans satellite images for anomalies was developed by an astronomer searching the skies for super novae.

Brian May (guitarist with Queen) studied astronomy and just got his PhD last year I think...

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Brian837

Lets say there are 10 other planets out there with life that has super space ship and can fly all over. What are the odds of them finding us? We are on a small planet on a galaxy that is one in over a billion of them. Just finding us in this galaxy that is a million light years across would be amazing but a billion more of them. It just doesn't seem possible

The odds of us being spotted by someone else in our galaxy are fairly high, because the earth is the "brightest" radio source. If someone somewhere pointed a radio telescope in our direction, and they were less than about 120 light years away, we would blind them with non-natural radio waves.

The same would be true if we were looking for them.Even if there were advanced cilivilsations out there, we just could not see them unless they had been producing radio waves, or artificial light, or other forms of electromagnetic energy for a very long time. The greater the distance, the longer they must have been doing this.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by FiReC

Think of the dinosaurs, those mother fuckers were never getting of this rock and they had a few hundred million years to get it right, and now they gone. Even if there were a bunch of 'dinosaur' planets everywhere, what do you think the chances are that the existence of two advanced civilizations would ever intersect in a 13 x 1000 million years timeline (human ancestors only around last 6 million years) ?

Our timeline of earth being 4.5 billion years old (and us being here) is our timeline, that means every other galaxy,solar system,star and planet has its own timeline with life development timelines different from each other in the scale of 100's of millions of years. Good luck matching up those timelines where the most advanced intersect each other to the same moment in time where they can actually meet.

It seems improbable that the timelines would ever match up, now add in the whole fucking distance between life in the universe, and you are basically at a chance of 0 for life forms as advanced as us to run into each other.

dinosaurs were not technologically advanced species. they didn't build spaceships

11 billion + years for the cats at kepler-0444 to get it right. now do the astronomical number crunching that shows there are millions and millions of kepler-444 scenarios.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Brian837

Lets say there are 10 other planets out there with life that has super space ship and can fly all over. What are the odds of them finding us? We are on a small planet on a galaxy that is one in over a billion of them. Just finding us in this galaxy that is a million light years across would be amazing but a billion more of them. It just doesn't seem possible

based on this discovery, let's rephrase your question.

let's say there are 100 billion other planets out there with life that has a super space ship, what are the odds then? the opportunity is greater.

because that's what this discovery suggests. 11+billion years of earth-like planets across the universe.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

The odds of us being spotted by someone else in our galaxy are fairly high, because the earth is the "brightest" radio source. If someone somewhere pointed a radio telescope in our direction, and they were less than about 120 light years away, we would blind them with non-natural radio waves.

The same would be true if we were looking for them.Even if there were advanced cilivilsations out there, we just could not see them unless they had been producing radio waves, or artificial light, or other forms of electromagnetic energy for a very long time. The greater the distance, the longer they must have been doing this.

eh? earth is the brightest radio source? what other planet emits non-natural radio waves? non-natural means man-made

the black hole cygnus x is exponentially more powerful radio source than earth. earth is a dim incandescent light bulb in the milky way.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

Eh? Firstly, there have been quite a few Goldilocks planets found already and secondly, if there are spacefaring aliens out there, why would they visit us anyway and if they did want to visit, how do you know they haven't (ancient alien theory)?

the thinking goes thusly:

If the universe is full of life-friendly planets, and if life often evolves to intelligence and space travel as it has done here, the mystery is why aren?t we already overrun with waves of aliens? Since ages and ages ago?

One theory was that we?re among the first; others haven?t had time yet to evolve and spread very far. But now that explanation is shot to pieces.

[brassmonkey]

only 11 billion?? wow

[pornmasta]

[dyna mo]

"The implication of this is that worlds of all ages are out there, and the average planet is going to be billions of years older than our own," he told HuffPost in an email. "Complex, thinking beings required 4 billion years of evolution on Earth. If clever creatures always take a long time to appear, then older planets might be preferred hunting grounds for signals that could tell us someone?s out there.?

"It is not clear that planets much older than the Earth have a higher expectation of having life than the more recently formed planets," William Borucki, a space scientist at the NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, Calif told HuffPost in an email. "The discovery of Kepler-444 is important, but whether it implies advanced life or no life will remain a mystery until our technology advances to the point that we can get a definitive answer."

"There are far-reaching implications for this discovery," Dr. Tiago Campante, a research fellow at the University of Birmingham and one of the astronomers who helped discover the new system, said in a written statement. "We now know that Earth-sized planets have formed throughout most of the Universe's 13.8-billion-year history, which could provide scope for the existence of ancient life in the Galaxy."

Super-Ancient Solar System Sparks New Thinking About Search For Alien Life

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by shoot twice

Money and resources absolutely being wasted looking in outer space
for "* Junk *" that has zero impact on life on our world.

And if scientists discover a compound/enzyme/substance on another planet that could lead to a cure for cancer or other ailments?

It's not all about searching for extraterrestrial life.

There are two types of people. Those who would walk by an abandoned building and be completely oblivious to it. And then there are those who would wander inside, take a look around...possibly learn something by exploring.

To say exploring space has "zero impact on life on our world" - is incredibly short-sighted and lacking in the basic human desire to grow and expand our knowledge.

[MaDalton]

[Plutocracy]

Originally Posted by FiReC

Think of the dinosaurs, those mother fuckers were never getting of this rock and they had a few hundred million years to get it right, and now they gone. Even if there were a bunch of 'dinosaur' planets everywhere, what do you think the chances are that the existence of two advanced civilizations would ever intersect in a 13 x 1000 million years timeline (human ancestors only around last 6 million years) ?

Our timeline of earth being 4.5 billion years old (and us being here) is our timeline, that means every other galaxy,solar system,star and planet has its own timeline with life development timelines different from each other in the scale of 100's of millions of years. Good luck matching up those timelines where the most advanced intersect each other to the same moment in time where they can actually meet.

It seems improbable that the timelines would ever match up, now add in the whole fucking distance between life in the universe, and you are basically at a chance of 0 for life forms as advanced as us to run into each other.

I like this

[JIBCONTENT]

Originally Posted by Squirtit

best post yet

[shoot twice]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

And if scientists discover a compound/enzyme/substance on another planet that could lead to a cure for cancer or other ailments?

OH yea looking for a cure for cancer on other planets. it would only be the trillion dollar cure for cancer and I can just imagine Richard Nixon roaring with laughter now about how the war on Cancer was won by the rocket program.

The "cure" for cancer is to get rid of the toxins in our food and learn to leave a healthy low stress lifestyle. Therefore I'll call this fabricated science fiction propaganda that spewed out on the Internet and in the news for what it is... A whole lot of bullshit for the military to develop crap like drones, better spy satellites and rockets that can part the hair of an enemy.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by shoot twice

OH yea looking for a cure for cancer on other planets. it would only be the trillion dollar cure for cancer and I can just imagine Richard Nixon roaring with laughter now about how the war on Cancer was won by the rocket program.

The "cure" for cancer is to get rid of the toxins in our food and learn to leave a healthy low stress lifestyle. Therefore I'll call this fabricated science fiction propaganda that spewed out on the Internet and in the news for what it is... A whole lot of bullshit for the military to develop crap like drones, better spy satellites and rockets that can part the hair of an enemy.

you get what his point is though. There is absolutely nothing wrong with putting dollars into exploring the universe. pretty sure the real-world applications of quantum physics are profound and enormous just like my johnson. We wouldn't be chatting in this forum right now without it.

[beerptrol]

Any smart civilization would avoid contact with earth like the plague. Probably would be comparable to us locating a planet of Neanderthals who have nuclear weapons.
Wait, bad example! we'd probably find oil and try to intervene and spread democracy and Christianity thus getting involved in a war

[PaperstreetWinston]

I think we know too little to be saying anything with any definity

[Rochard]

When it comes to space and trying to figure out how this all was created... Seems they only have ideas no facts.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by FiReC

Think of the dinosaurs, those mother fuckers were never getting of this rock and they had a few hundred million years to get it right, and now they gone. Even if there were a bunch of 'dinosaur' planets everywhere, what do you think the chances are that the existence of two advanced civilizations would ever intersect in a 13 x 1000 million years timeline (human ancestors only around last 6 million years) ?

Our timeline of earth being 4.5 billion years old (and us being here) is our timeline, that means every other galaxy,solar system,star and planet has its own timeline with life development timelines different from each other in the scale of 100's of millions of years. Good luck matching up those timelines where the most advanced intersect each other to the same moment in time where they can actually meet.

It seems improbable that the timelines would ever match up, now add in the whole fucking distance between life in the universe, and you are basically at a chance of 0 for life forms as advanced as us to run into each other.

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Hello

Originally Posted by HarleyMorgan

I like this

I cam across this while researching this topic for my first thread on it all, if y'all are interested, it does suggest that the maths supports the Milky Way being colonized by now

the Galaxy should be colonized by now:
To arrive at their conclusion Dr Hair and Mr Hedman assumed that outer space is dotted with solar systems, about five light years apart. They then asked how quickly a single civilisation armed with the requisite technology would spread its tentacles, depending on the degree of colonising zeal, expressed as the probability that intelligent beings decide to hop from one planet to the next in 1,000 years (500 years for the trip, at a modest one-tenth of the speed of light, and another 500 years to prepare for the next hop).

All these numbers are necessarily moot. If the vast majority of planets is not suitable, for instance, the average distance for a successful expedition might be much more than five light years. And advanced beings might not need five Earth centuries to get up to speed before they redeploy. However, Dr Hair and Mr Hedman can tweak their probabilities to reflect a range of possible conditions. Using what they believe to be conservative assumptions (as low as one chance in four of embarking on a colonising mission in 1,000 years), they calculated that any galactic empire would have spread outwards from its home planet at about 0.25% of the speed of light. The result is that after 50m years it would extend over 130,000 light years, with zealous colonisers moving in a relatively uniform cloud and more reticent ones protruding from a central blob. Since the Milky Way is estimated to be 100,000-120,000 light years across, outposts would be sprinkled throughout the galaxy, even if the home planet were, like Earth, located on the periphery.

Crucially, even in slow-expansion scenario, the protrusions eventually coalesce. After 250,000 years, which the model has so far had the time to simulate, the biggest gaps are no larger than 30 light years across. Dr Hair thinks they should grow no bigger as his virtual colonisation progresses. That is easily small enough for man's first sufficiently powerful radio transmissions (in the early 20th century) to have been detected and for a reply to have reached Earth (which has been actively listening out for such messages since the 1960s). And though 50m years may sound a lot, if intelligent life did evolve more than once, it could easily have done so billions of years before this happened on Earth. All this suggests, Dr Hair and Mr Hedman fear, that humans really do have the Milky Way to themselves. Either that or the neighbours are a particularly timid bunch.

Sentient Developments: New mathematical study reveals that our Galaxy should have been colonized by now

[shoot twice]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you get what his point is though. There is absolutely nothing wrong with putting dollars into exploring the universe. pretty sure the real-world applications of quantum physics are profound and enormous just like my johnson. We wouldn't be chatting in this forum right now without it.

What I know is this :

The planet is a mess! We've got pollution, toxins, racism, spouse abuse, cruelty to animals, crime, war, people starving to death in Africa and people eating themselves to death in the USA... And the list goes on for pages

I don't need to be talking to you or anyone else on the Internet. Sorry but if the Internet is greatest achievement of the modern age then we're seriously screwed. Humanity got along just fine without the Internet for a very long time. People we're nicer and spoke face to face to each other. Plus we enjoyed our most prosperous period in modern history without it. To be blunt the net is a place where the average person waste time looking at stupid stuff when they could be productive.

So I'll stand behind my opinion.
All this space exploration is waste of time, money and resources.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by shoot twice

What I know is this :

The planet is a mess! We've got pollution, toxins, racism, spouse abuse, cruelty to animals, crime, war, people starving to death in Africa and people eating themselves to death in the USA... And the list goes on for pages

I don't need to be talking to you or anyone else on the Internet. Sorry but if the Internet is greatest achievement of the modern age then we're seriously screwed. Humanity got along just fine without the Internet for a very long time. People we're nicer and spoke face to face to each other. Plus we enjoyed our most prosperous period in modern history without it. To be blunt the net is a place where the average person waste time looking at stupid stuff when they could be productive.

So I'll stand behind my opinion.
All this space exploration is waste of time, money and resources.

Got you this for your birthday.

Hope you like it.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

Any smart civilization would avoid contact with earth like the plague. Probably would be comparable to us locating a planet of Neanderthals who have nuclear weapons. Wait, bad example! we'd probably find oil and try to intervene and spread democracy and Christianity thus getting involved in a war

Imagine if aliens first contact with man was the Middle East right now

[dyna mo]

I have absolutely no idea how someone can spin my example of the internet being just one of the millions of things resulting from quantum mechanics to be the greatest achievement of the modern age.

the greatest achievement of the modern age was man stepping on the moon 7 fucking times and yes, we can thank quantum physics for that epic achievement also.

but I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm simply keeping the conversation factual, you are entitled to you opinion that space exploration is worthless and gets in the way of solving cancer.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Squirtit

Imagine if aliens first contact with man was the Middle East right now

I'd like to think the aliens would lay waste to the Middle East with their ray guns and photon torpedoes.

[uno]

Most of the reason for life's success on earth has to do with our larger planets like Jupiter, so I fail to see what a solar system with worlds 2/3 or less our size has to do with anything.

[Spunky]

The Mothership will come eventually and take us to the safe earth,not the one we ruined

[beerptrol]

Originally Posted by Spunky

The Mothership will come eventually and take us to the safe earth,not the one we ruined

Too late! The mother ship already came and was filled up with Heaven's Gate members

[TheMoneyMan]

This is not proof that we are alone lol. It just shows how big things really are and how small we are.

If there is a species aware of us, we could be visited without general public knowledge or they dont even want to visit. We could be a science experiment of sorts.

Lots of possibilities.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by shoot twice

Money and resources absolutely being wasted looking in outer space
for "* Junk *" that has zero impact on life on our world.

When there's plenty of garbage right here on earth that's having serious impact on life. But not a single dime is being used to study it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_..._garbage_patch

Again money and resources are being wasted looking for LIFE on other worlds.

But there's mountains of undiscovered life right here on earth : Life Is Found Thriving at Ocean's Deepest Point

In my humble opinion NASA and all these ET chasers can go to hell. Start trying to fix the problems here on Earth instead of looking for new real estate.

seriously? shut down all extra planetary research because we have an over-hyped insignificant 'patch' of garbage? Your humble opinion will thankfully always be ignored..thank god.. keep reading headlines though.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by TheMoneyMan

This is not proof that we are alone lol. It just shows how big things really are and how small we are.

If there is a species aware of us, we could be visited without general public knowledge or they dont even want to visit. We could be a science experiment of sorts.

Lots of possibilities.

it's certainly not proof we are not alone.

[seeandsee]

chance to get in contact with any civilisation in space is 0

[CDSmith]

Proof we are alone in the universe...

One of these days someone will be posting that just as Klaatu and Gort are stepping out of their ship to tell humankind to smarten up or else.

Won't that be embarassing.

[dyna mo]

I'm never embarrassed re: my thinking outside of the box!

[CaptainHowdy]

Outer space was invented by Stanley Kubrick ...

[crockett]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

Eh? Firstly, there have been quite a few Goldilocks planets found already and secondly, if there are spacefaring aliens out there, why would they visit us anyway and if they did want to visit, how do you know they haven't (ancient alien theory)?

Dyna Mo thinks that because he hasn't been abducted and given a 50ft anal probe, that aliens must not exist..