dyna mo

that's exactly how the term works.

freedonia has nothing to do with jack shit.

and OK by most legitimate studies, between 96% & 99% of the indians were killed off, due to plague primarily, prior to the USA becoming a nation. many of the remaining % killed each other off.

aka123

"Native" is colonialism related; meaning the folks those were there before the colonialists.

OK, Freedonia has nothing to do with nothing. Also Freedonia values freedom; although not the freedom of the "original" US folks; they are killed or stuffed into big concentration camps (reservates). Freedonia also has other non-free folks, like slaves. But it is a fucking free country, yeah! And has fancy slogan and flag too, just like Nazi-Germany or Soviet-Union had. Oh yeah. Also some Freedonians view others as sub-humans living in some shitholes; those should be bombed or something like that (or gassed maybe).

Was it too rough? I didn't really even try; I just took some available real elements. Don't blame me.

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dyna mo

i don't blame you for your lack of knowledge. and again, that's not at all what native means.

Jel

looks like I called this one right

aka123

Though there is so much of these "single events" in human history, that if you leave those out when defining that "human essence"; it really isn't human anymore.

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aka123

So, what the native means? That you evolved from the dirt of your birthplace?

If not referring to language; word "native" origins to the times of colonization and it meant the folks who were there before colonists.

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Jel

because one single event breeds the next by people not being able to let it go as a single event. Much like a whining female creating a new argument every time she drags up the last one, and each time being able to call upon another, in a self-perpetuating ball of gigantic shit.

you did this!

yeah but you did that!

yeah but only because you did this other thing!

yeah but only because you did that other thing!

blah fucking blah....

dyna mo

gfy isn't the place to learn. or teach. go ask a sub-saharan african to explain native to you.

aka123

This sounds like the Bible version about sin. We are sinners because that Eve chick ate that apple.

Might apply sometimes, but is not that great universal explanation.

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aka123

Not place to learn?

So, was life born in sub-Saharan Africa? I don't think there was even Africa at that time. Not even Pangea at that time.

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Jel

I won my bet that you'd start chatting irrelevant shit within 5 replies

you might speak english, but you don't understand it

aka123

It was totally relevant; we do sin because of that single event that started all the sin. Totally comparable to your explanation aka domino effect.

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dyna mo

who give a shit how many name changes there's been. back to my point, indians were not native to North America. 96+% of them were wiped out before the USA was born, and that was due to plague, + 350 million Americans are not direct descendants of the settlers

aka123

So what is your definition for native? There is no such thing as native, you defy the word? At least that seems to be your point. Even the American continent itself is not native?

About the Africa; it is not just about name changes; the whole landmass as such didn't exist then.

And the USA didn't spring up from nothing. Humans formed it; humans those were already there, as the actual landmass that forms USA. Your explanation is something like annexing Crimea and naming it Grimean. What? Part of Ukraine? We don't know anything about it, this is Grimean. We just popped up.

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Jel

one is a fairy story, the other is fact = totally irrelevant. you're an intelligent guy, but by fuck do you post like a cunt most of the time. Don't expect any replies from me, I gotta do what I'd do with a babbling 7 year old or a pissy woman, and skip right over whatever the fuck it is you're going to verbally mangle next.

dyna mo

can you not understand that in the context you used it, native implies ownership? the indians in no fucking way whatsofuckingever owned any of the Americas. In fact, they fucking burned most of the Americas down during the time they were here.

2. it's even more of a distortion of the actual history to perpetuate the bullshit that the United States wiped out the indians when in fact the USA wasn't born yet combined with the reality that plague wiped out the indians.

aka123

I didn't imply any ownership. And if we discuss about that, why the indians wouldn't have had any ownership, but you do now? How come some people have and others don't? You are more free than the indians?

I don't get the burning America down. What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

I haven't said that USA wiped out indians (as a % from total death toll), but USA exploited indians, killed much them and took most of their lifehood, and restricted their freedom to move. And the folks who established the USA didn't sprung up at the same time as USA was established. They had already done what they had done; whatever it is. There is continuum, you know.

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aka123

That "totally irrelevant" part happens to be very important part of western heritage, and that is why I used it as example.

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dyna mo

again, complete absolute bullshit.

re: burning. the indians burned >90% of all the forestry on the Americas. in fact, research shows the fires they created caused a mini-ice age. so let's not kid ourselves by claiming the indians gave 1 single shit about the Americas.

aka123

I know that indians made some grass fires to have more buffalos around, and things like that, but you have some source for that forest thing? Excluding the great plains there was anyways much forests. Also, forest fires don't usually kill the forests to begin with.

And how this differs from USA folks and the settlers before them plowing the whole shit? At least there was some grasslands before them.


Native American use of fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Also, not that my country wouldn't have history of burning forest, but it doesn't exactly mean burning the whole shit down, due to some "evil purposes".

Slash-and-burn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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pimpmaster9000

psssst dont mention this it will make russia look progressive compared to the USA

Truck system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and

Scrip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

shiiiit theres even a famous song about it LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5VMZqgVzRo

this is how the progressive progressive USA does it

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dyna mo

i mis-stated. the indians burning the AMerica's forests created global-warming at that time. when the plague wiped out most all of them, the forest fires stopped quickly, leading to the mini-ice age

Stalagmite reveals carbon footprint of early Native Americans -- ScienceDaily

Did Native Americans contribute to global warming?

dyna mo

just a punk

In fact, not really much at all. As Wikipedia says: Feudalism itself decayed and effectively disappeared in most of Western Europe by about 1500. It lingered on in parts of Central and Eastern Europe as late as the 1850s. Russia finally abolished serfdom in 1861.

However, even when the original feudal relationships had disappeared, there were many institutional remnants of feudalism left in place. Historian Georges Lefebvre explains how at an early stage of the French Revolution, on just one night of 4 August 1789 France abolished the long-lasting remnants of the feudal order. It announced, "The National Assembly abolishes the feudal system entirely."

Without debate the Assembly enthusiastically adopted equality of taxation and redemption of all manorial rights except for those involving personal servitude — which were to be abolished without indemnification. Other proposals followed with the same success: the equality of legal punishment, admission of all to public office, abolition of venality in office, conversion of the tithe into payments subject to redemption, freedom of worship, prohibition of plural holding of benefices.... Privileges of provinces and towns were offered as a last sacrifice.

Originally the peasants were supposed to pay for the release of seigneurial dues; these dues affected more than a fourth of the farmland in France and provided most of the income of the large landowners. The majority refused to pay and in 1793 the obligation was cancelled. Thus the peasants got their land free, and also no longer paid the tithe to the church.

P.S. The florida clown confuses slavery with feudalism - a typical victim of the US education system.

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aka123

Yes, you misstated something, at least that 90 % part, or at least the subject for that number. And the Little Ice age thing might be true, but not that hard fact yet (the indian/ settler contribution).

"Nevle et al then got out their calculators and crunched the numbers. They estimate that for a population of some 40 to 80 million indigenous people, the total amount of deforested land would likely have amounted to something the size of California. And since most estimates suggest that close to 90 percent of the native peoples died or were killed after the Europeans arrived, that meant most of that land returned to forest."

Read more at: Research team suggests European Little Ice Age came about due to reforestation in New World


Or the picture about indians as some evil forest destroyers.

"This evidence suggests that Native Americans significantly altered the local ecosystem by clearing and burning forests, probably to make fields and enhance the growth of nut trees, Springer said. This picture conflicts with the popular notion that early Native Americans had little impact on North American landscapes. They were better land stewards than the European colonialists who followed, he said, but they apparently cleared more land and burned more forest than previously thought."

Read more at: Research team suggests European Little Ice Age came about due to reforestation in New World

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dyna mo

what the fuck? you just repeated what i posted so you could claim i misspoke when i already stated i misspoke. ok, just like i fukcing already stated, gfy isn't the place to learn or teach.

regardless of my % being off, the fucking simple fact is i am and was right- the fucking indians burned down a shit ton of forest, leading to global warming. when they all got sick and died, before USA was fucking USA, the rapid reforestation created a mini-ice age.

again, those were my original points and they are just as fucking valid now as they were before you tried to gotcha.

nevertheless, you just learned a few things, you're fucking welcome.

aka123

Russia is not Eastern Europe? And the feudalism is not synonym for serfdom, although latter relate to first one.

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aka123

You talked about 90 % deforestation and indians not giving a shit worth about the Americas. Neither one wasn't exactly true. You are just trying to make indians look bad to make the actions of settlers more right.

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dyna mo

again, huh? the settlers did not intentionally give the indians the fucking plague and replant a bunch of trees to bring the all the forests back.

look, i don't first go googling shit when i post. I post about shit i know about and am interested in. the point i was making was in fact true, even though i misstated the specific % .

you also don't know what the term blackmail means. not to mention your falling into the classic trap of history- looking back with 20-20 vision/judging events from the past skewed by a view of the present.

aka123

I alredy replaced the blackmailing part. I made error due to similar term in my own language that means what I tried to say. It is not that easy to have conversation with foreign language.

You should google what you post if you are unsure; I usually check at least after, as I did with that blackmailing, as I was unsure about it. How the fuck I am going to learn otherwise.

And what is the looking back history trap I have made? Don't confuse me with your arguments with CyberSEO. If I talk about present time, I will say it and vice versa.

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dyna mo

i wasn't unsure, i was spot on. the indians didn't give a shit about the land. they burned down so much of it, the event is called deforestation, and that level of deforestation was so bad it lead to global warming up until most all the indians died from plague(s), which allowed the trees to grow back, creating a mini-ice age. all of which occurred before the USA.

again, my original point.

aka123

Creating more diverse environment by burning forest and grasslands equals not giving a shit? So in where do the settlers stand in here? Plowing the whole shit and eventually creating the famous dustbowl. The plowed land is very poor for wildlife. At least the indiands were better for the nature around there.

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dyna mo

stated for the 3rd time, gfy isn't a place where people learn shit.

Horatio Caine

Yes my dear third world dumb fuck. Its not slavery its slavery light. Like when you required to serve in the military for 20 years or work on your owners farm to pay off the tax you owed them. And most importantly because its in Russia - the greatest shithole of them all
Please tell us about racism and all derogatory names you use for people from Caucasus mountains and treatment they get.

Horatio Caine

Oh the great russian education at Siberian Rughanging State University teaches us few things about American slavery and how slaves built an entire country All them steel workers, pilgrim farmers all were black. is there any bigger idiot on this forum or what? here's some reading for you dumb fuck. 5% of US population ever owned a slave and called themselves "slave owners".

Black Slave Owners Civil War Article by Robert M Grooms

just a punk

"derogatory names for people from Caucasus?" WTF? Are you drunk again, son?

I don't think you will pass an examination in Russian State University. ПТУ is the theoretical maximum a stupid clown like you can afford here. So just forget it. Not even in your dreams.

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Horatio Caine

The nick names you use to describe their skin color or intellect, fuckface.
Stupid is your middle name. or per russian tradition your father's name.

Talk:List of ethnic slurs by ethnicity/old - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Who the fuck wants to pass anything in your shitty state universities which look like cattle barn? especially if they take in idiots and clowns like the one you see in the mirror. Id rather go to all black community college than some russian rug paining institute of technology.

ilnjscb

He is correct though that Russians have classically been the enslaved ones rather than the enslavers

3. Mongol Occupation and the Slav Slave Trade: The "Harvesting of the Steppe" <- but one of numerous examples

That is, until the 1900s - then they got everyone back for everything, ever, and 50 million people dead and labor camped later, everyone hopes we can all calm down a little.

Horatio Caine

Peter the great abolished slavery by giving slaves new title
Concept remained the same. Some regions down south still practice tribal slavery traditions

Slavery in Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia