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Some background iz required here fo' thoise dat don?t know Fabians history. Fabian Thylmann wuz da chief engineer o' affiliate tracking software called NATS. It wuz very comprehensive software (still iz) dat wuz used by adult webmasters ta track an' pay affiliates among other things an' NATS had lots o' features.

Interestingly many o' da features o' NATS would aid in exactly what German prosecutors gots accused Fabian o' doin'. NATS allows you ta specify billers on uh per country basis, an' dat obviously could include making sho dat da customer never buys uh membership from uh company in da same country?. thus avoiding tax. European customers fo' instance could be sent outside o' da EU ta gank they membership.

It also werkz in da other direction? hirin ?amature? cam operators in Germany, then paying dem through an offshore company than paying dem directly in Germany. dis here iz done specifically ta avoid employment taxes an' all da legal responsibilities (an' contract law implications) dat exist if dey wuz ta do bidness directly. By moving it offshore, dey can fine ass much dictate da terms o' da contract, claim ta not be liable fo' workplace or taxation ishues, an' generally ignore local law.

dis here explains an awful lot?like why Manwin doesn?t send checks ta performers (or anyone really) instead dey git wire transfers from banks outside da USA. Tney use dis here same structure through all o' they companies.

Manwin has gots ta be sweating bullets ova Fabians indictment?ah told you dis here iz going ta shine light into da corners where da cockroaches is?.It's coming.

an' if da FSC has uh lick o' sense dey bettah be making sho they books is squeaky clean too cuz Manwin iz da only thin` dat has kept dem afloat da last few years.

Im reminded o' an old John Cougar Melloncamp song?.When da Walls Come Crumbling Down? all ye damn hood ratz.. -

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Abanye background edingekayo lapha thoise ukuthi abazi umlando Fabians. Fabian Thylmann kwaba engineer induna software lobulungu kokulandela ngokuthi ama-nat. Kwaba kakhulu olunzulu software (namanje) eyayisetshenziswa webmaster omdala ukulandelela akhokhe abaxhumana phakathi kwezinye izinto and nat aba izici.

Ngokuthakazelisayo eziningi zezici nat kwakuyoba ziyolekelela Ngilokho abashushisi German baye bamangalela Fabian yokwenza. Nat ikuvumela ukuba ucacise billers on a izwe ngalinye nesisekelo, futhi kusobala kungafaka ekuqinisekiseni ukuthi ikhasimende akafuni ubulungu enkampanini ezweni elifanayo .... kanjalo sigweme intela. Amakhasimende European for Ngokwesibonelo babengase wathumela ngaphandle EU ukuthenga ubulungu babo.

Isebenza ngakolunye uhlangothi ... ukuqasha "amateur" cam opharetha eJalimane, bese sibabhadele ngokusebenzisa inkampani nosebe kunokuba sibabhadele ngqo eJalimane. Lokhu kwenziwa ngqo ukugwema intela emisebenzi kanye yonke imithwalo zomthetho (and nemithelela umthetho inkontileka) ukuthi akhona uma kade ukwenza ibhizinisi ngqo. By olisunduza liye engasogwini, abakwazi pretty okuningi balawule nemibandela yesivumelwano, funa ukuba kungabi akhokhe for emsebenzini noma intela izingqinamba, futhi ngokuvamile indiva umthetho wendawo.

Lokhu kuchaza lot angathandeki ... like kungani Manwin akusho ukuthumela amasheke abadlali (noma ubani ngempela) kunalokho uthole wire Ukudluliselwa amabhange ngaphandle USA. Tney ukusebenzisa lolu sakhiwo lesifanako ngokusebenzisa zonke izinkampani zabo.

Manwin eseke ukuba ajuluke izinhlamvu phezu Fabians icala ... Nginitshelile lokhu uya kukhanye ukukhanya singene emagumbini lapho amaphela kukhona ... .it ezizayo.

Futhi uma The FSC has a lick of mqondo kangcono kube ekuqinisekiseni izincwadi zabo kukhona oziphethe kahle uqala ehlanzekile futhi ngoba Manwin kuyinto nje ukuthi uye wawagcina untanta the last eminyakeni embalwa.

Im wakhumbuza of an old song John Cougar Melloncamp ... .When The Walls Woza ebhidlikayo Down ...

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Figured Id go ahead 'n post it afore AVN 'n XBiz claim they thought o' it

From MikeSouth.Com

Some background be required here fer thoise that don’t know Fabians history. Fabian Thylmann was th' chief engineer o' affiliate trackin' software called NATS. 'twas mighty comprehensive software (still be) that was used by adult webmasters t' track 'n pay affiliates among other thin's 'n NATS had lots o' features.

Interestingly many o' th' features o' NATS would aid in exactly wha' German prosecutors 'ave accused Fabian o' doin'. NATS allows ye t' specify billers on a per country basis, 'n that obviously could include makin' sure that th' customer ne'er buys a membership from a crew in th' same country…. thus avoidin' tax. European customers fer instance could be sent outside o' th' EU t' buy thar membership.

It also works in th' other direction… hirin' “amateur� cam operators in Germany, then payin' them through an offshore crew rather than payin' them directly in Germany. 'tis done specifically t' avoid employment taxes 'n all th' legal responsibilities ('n contract law implications) that exist if they were t' do business directly. By movin' it offshore, they can pretty much dictate th' terms o' th' contract, claim t' nah be liable fer workplace or taxation issues, 'n generally ignore local law.

This explains an ghastly lot…like why Manwin doesn’t send checks t' performers (or anyone really) instead they get wire transfers from banks outside th' USA. Tney use this same structure through all o' thar companies.

Manwin has got t' be sweatin' bullets o'er Fabians indictment…I told ye 'tis goin' t' shine light into th' corners where th' cockroaches are….'tis comin'.

'n if Th' FSC has a lick o' sense they best be makin' sure thar books are squeaky swab too 'cause Manwin be th' only thin' that has kept them afloat th' last few years.

Im reminded o' an ole John Cougar Melloncamp chanty….When Th' Walls Come Crumblin' Down…

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Say what you want about Mike South but I remember him telling Fabian that he would see him in prison. Many of the same people posting here laughed and made fun of him and others for it. Then it happened and now it looks like it is going to happen again for much longer. It's too bad a good industry ass licking can't save you from the government, eh?

PS- I hope the feds and the various EU tax authorities are reading this and other threads on GFY to look for other possible targets who are guilty of nearly the same thing. Wouldn't that be great?

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Gibt es jemanden wichtiger als Mike South als Mike South selbst? Nein. Mike South ist wichtiger. Mike South Ego ist wichtiger. Und Mike South weiß nur eins, Mike South. Als Mike South gibt es nur Mike South. Egozentrische Mike Süden. Mike südlich der Egomane. Mike South einen Identitätswechsel Mike Süd-und natürlich Mike Süden selbst zu tun. Niemand sonst auf der Welt - aber Mike South - existiert. Es ist wirklich nur ein Mike-South.

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I think we all understand you want the credit and the 'scoop' for the Fabian thing Mike, but you seem to have lost a bit of respect here, hmm? I've been following your stuff for years, but you lost a lot of respect from myself & the company I work for when you put Diez's ad space at the top of your site for months and months and months on end without ever noting what was going on here. You write about piracy all the time yet at the exact same time you have pirate ad space right at the top of your site. Go figure.

I see that he is finally gone now from your domain, but I stopped visiting a long time ago. Your ego just needs so much TLC that I couldn't keep up.

It seems you might lurk here, but paid no attention because of course you were paid by him to put up the ad space and you apparently needed the money 'that bad' as to promote piracy on your anti-piracy site...

With that said, you have been calling out Manwin for a long time and I'm sure the others here commend you on it. In fact, most of the companies that have been known for years here are now owned by them. But the fact that your initial thread post lead to one of the funniest threads in history only begs the question, why?

I almost wet my pants reading this thread it was too TOO funny.

Got another 'news alert'? Or don't you want to give it over to AVN or XBIZ?

Oh, that's right. They are owned by Manwin too.

Guess this place is your best bet.

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[QUOTE=Tinara;20457202]Gibt es jemanden wichtiger als Mike South als Mike South selbst? Nein. Mike South ist wichtiger. Mike South Ego ist wichtiger. Und Mike South weiß nur eins, Mike South. Als Mike South gibt es nur Mike South. Egozentrische Mike Süden. Mike südlich der Egomane. Mike South einen Identitätswechsel Mike Süd-und natürlich Mike Süden selbst zu tun. Niemand sonst auf der Welt - aber Mike South - existiert. Es ist wirklich nur ein Mike-South.

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I think we all understand you want the credit and the 'scoop' for the Fabian thing Mike, but you seem to have lost a bit of respect here, hmm? I've been following your stuff for years, but you lost a lot of respect from myself & the company I work for when you put Diez's ad space at the top of your site for months and months and months on end without ever noting what was going on here.

You make a legit point there at the time the sites passed my rules, no stolen content etc...they did have some galleries from manwin sites but that wasnt a deal breaker. they paid a lot of money for that header and they paid for a whole year in advance. When it came up for renewal I nixed it. Ya i coulda used the cash but in the end it wasnt worth it. It clearly violated my policy.

I do get quite a bit of email (a lot from the stagliano stoy) from company owners pointing out that AVN and XBiz wont run stories like that even though in the end it helps them to know how OSHA targets and fines companies...it may dsave them from the same fate.

I try to make sure that if something useful comes up I run it. for all the laughing here the Fabian story is in fact a big one. I was under the idea that Fabian had bought his way out of being prosecuted but that showed it wasnt the case. It also points out some of the things that could come up in the trial that might make Manwin/MindGeek very nervous...as well as shining more light onto the operations of Manwin.

All of this at a time when Manwin can little afford the scrutiny.

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"The Epic of Manwin Fabian and NATS, The Walls Are About To Come Tumbling Down"

Some background is required

here

for those that don?t know
Fabians history. Fabian Thylmann was
the chief engineer of affiliate tracking

software

Called NATS. It was
very comprehensive
software (still is) that was

used

by adult webmasters to track
and pay affiliates
among other things

and

NATS had lots of features.

Interestingly many of the features of NATS
would aid
in exactly what
German prosecutors have accused

Fabian

of doing NATS allows you to specify
billers on a per country basis,
and that obviously could include making
sure that the customer never buys
a membership from a company
in the same country?. thus avoiding

tax.

European customers for instance could
be sent outside
of the EU to buy
their membership.

It also works in the other direction?
hiring ?amateur? cam operators in Germany,
then paying them through an offshore company
rather than paying them directly
in Germany.

This is done specifically
to avoid
employment taxes and all the legal responsibilities
(and contract law implications) that exist
if they were to do business directly.
By moving it

offshore,

they can pretty much dictate
the terms of the contract,

claim

to not be liable
for workplace or taxation issues,
and generally ignore local law.

This explains an awful lot?
like why Manwin doesn?t send
checks to performers
(or anyone really)

instead

they get wire transfers
from banks outside the USA.
Tney use this same structure
through all of their companies.

Manwin has got to be sweating

bullets

over Fabians indictment?
I told you
this is going to shine
light into the corners
where the cockroaches

are?.

It's coming.

And if The FSC has a lick
of sense they better be
making sure their books are squeaky
clean too because Manwin is
the only thing that has kept them

afloat

the last few years.
Im reminded of an old John
Cougar Melloncamp

song?.

When The Walls Come
Crumbling

Down?

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Not sure how software is liable.

What I do know is that TMM John has a lot of fuck you money. I hope he uses some of it to tie you up in litigation for shits and giggles.

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Also fuck you for your shirty STD testing policies.

Your broke ass may be the next one to introduce an STD to the adult industry.

Fucking hypocrite. Manwin fucks with money. You fuck with peoples lives.

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I hate to talk logically here Mike, but do you have proof that Fabian and Manwin did all of this, or is it just speculation on your part?

Because some of the things you're saying here go beyond free speech and cross the lines of libel.

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