News Russian missile maker: MH17 shot down by Ukrainian missile

[brassmonkey]

MOSCOW (AP) ? The Russian maker of the Buk air defense missile system said Tuesday that it has concluded that Malaysian Airlines flight 17 was downed by an older version of the missile, which isn't in service with the Russian military but is in Ukrainian arsenals.

Controversy continues over who shot down the plane last summer over eastern Ukraine, killing all 298 people aboard. Ukraine and the West suspect it was destroyed by a Russian surface-to-air missile fired by Russian soldiers or Russia-backed separatist rebels fighting in the area. Russia denies that.

Mikhail Malyshevsky, an adviser to the director general of the missile maker, state-controlled Almaz-Antei consortium, said at a news conference Tuesday that its analysis was based on photographs of the wreckage available to the public. He said the holes in the plane's parts were consistent with a specific type of Buk missile and its warhead.

Each of the Buk subtypes has its warhead rigged with shrapnel of a specific shape. This variation of the missile is in the Ukrainian military arsenals, but not in the Russian, said Almaz-Antei director Yan Novikov.

Novikov said that in 2005 when Ukraine contacted the consortium regarding the maintenance of its Buk systems, it had 991 such missiles.

Rebels have staunchly denied even possessing a functioning Buk missile launcher at the time that MH17 was brought down, although one was seen in separatist-controlled Snizhne by AP reporters a few hours before the plane crashed.
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Russian officials and state media have previously said they suspect the airline was shot down by a Ukrainian warplane.

"First they said it wasn't a Buk missile. Now, suddenly, they're saying it is but it wasn't them. So I just think the credibility is not 100 percent here on that," said U.S. State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf in Washington.

Russian missile maker: MH17 shot down by Ukrainian missile - Yahoo News

[CAHEK]

all airlines should avoid flights that pass over war zones

[sandman!]

what else do you expect them to say ?

[MaDalton]

in other news: Satellite images show clearly that Russia faked its MH17 report

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

in other news: Satellite images show clearly that Russia faked its MH17 report

i just watched a combat video your country helping the rebels

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

i just watched a combat video your country helping the rebels

the video doesn't work and can you please specify what would be my country?

that in my passport or that i live in?

[Rochard]

Let's think about this for just a moment here and apply some common sense. If it was the Ukrainian military that shot at the plane, what would they be shooting at?

The rebels don't have airplanes.

Why would the Ukrainian military be shooting at airplanes when the rebels don't have any airplanes. On the other hand, Ukrainian military does have planes and the rebels were shooting at them.

Do the math.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by CAHEK

all airlines should avoid flights that pass over war zones

Indeed

[crockett]

News flash, Russian Rebels stole land and military equipment from Ukraine. The only one's whom were shooting down aircraft at the time the airliner was shot down was the Rebels.

Lets also not forget that the head Rebel general, jumped onto Social media posting away at how the Rebels had just shot down a military transport just moments after the plane was downed. They gave the precise location of the wreckage but after it was determined to be civilian and not military they deleted all their bragging tweets.

To add even more to this the exact Rebel controlled Buk system was photographed before and after the downing of the aircraft. In the first photo it had all it's missiles in the second from the day after the airliner was shot down it was missing two missiles.

The only people whom think it wasn't Russian supported rebels whom killed all those civilians and committed a war crime is dumb brainwashed Russians.. Basic common sense and logic doesn't exist in Russia, only propaganda.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by crockett

News flash, Russian Rebels stole land and military equipment from Ukraine. The only one's whom were shooting down aircraft at the time the airliner was shot down was the Rebels.

Lets also not forget that the head Rebel general, jumped onto Social media posting away at how the Rebels had just shot down a military transport just moments after the plane was downed. They gave the precise location of the wreckage but after it was determined to be civilian and not military they deleted all their bragging tweets.

To add even more to this the exact Rebel controlled Buk system was photographed before and after the downing of the aircraft. In the first photo it had all it's missiles in the second from the day after the airliner was shot down it was missing two missiles.

The only people whom think it wasn't Russian supported rebels whom killed all those civilians and committed a war crime is dumb brainwashed Russians.. Basic common sense and logic doesn't exist in Russia, only propaganda.

attention - do not wake up Putins troll factory

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by crockett

Russian Rebels

Idiot, there are no rebels in Russia. Those are Ukrainians.



The actual facts are:

1) The plane was guided by the Ukrainian flight operators over the war zone, which was insecure but for some unknown reason opened for civilian flights.
2) It was shot down from the Ukrainian territory by the Ukrainian rebels or Ukrainian army (who really cares, because both barbarian groups could do it).
3) It crashed on the Ukrainian territory.

Everything else is not facts but some conspiracy theories, propaganda and speculations.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Idiot, there are no rebels in Russia. Those are Ukrainians.



The actual facts are:

1) The plane was guided by the Ukrainian flight operators over the war zone, which was insecure but for some unknown reason opened for civilian flights.
2) It was shot down from the Ukrainian territory by the Ukrainian rebels or Ukrainian army (who really cares, because both barbarian groups could do it).
3) It crashed on the Ukrainian territory.

Everything else is not facts but some conspiracy theories, propaganda and speculations.

facts are the entire flight path for the plane changed. you can see the screen shots posted when this was originally discussed, and the updated site now.

direct communication with that specific site in question is flight paths are never changed, and they refuse to discuss why time posted screen shots say otherwise

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

facts are the entire flight path for the plane changed. you can see the screen shots posted when this was originally discussed, and the updated site now.

direct communication with that specific site in question is flight paths are never changed, and they refuse to discuss why time posted screen shots say otherwise

I'm not sure I understand what do you mean. Can you give me the links on those changed paths, please.

P.S. I don't watch TV news (only tvrain), so perhaps I've missed something.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

I'm not sure I understand what do you mean. Can you give me the links on those changed paths, please.

P.S. I don't watch TV news (only tvrain), so perhaps I've missed something.

can't get the actual site to provide the flight path data for the correct date.. just shows specific data

http://i.imgur.com/PPjrqs1.jpg

is the link, however i can't prove what i am saying without pulling the updated info, so i suppose nevermind