Tubes uploads and channels

[kesha1]

By uploading videos to the tubes producers create competition to their own sites, where the videos are most likely gathered in one "channel" and available for free to any surfer, with the search results showing those channels next to the original paid site.
So, to tube or not to tube, this is the question.

[kesha1]

Almost every producer now has uploaded videos to all the different adult tubes and most likely has created a channel within a tube the videos were uploaded to, or the tubes them selves created those channels uniting all the videos from that brand (site) under the same name at the same place.
As a result, the search engines point at those tube channels which will be next to the original sites with the only difference that they are 100% free, so, a visitor is left with harsh dilemma weather to pay for watching them or watch for free.
Yes, those uploads will create traffic and if the videos have watermarks surfers will search for them and... will get the search results where the tube channels will provide those videos for free.
So, by uploading the videos to the tubes the producers create competition to their own sites.
I also noticed that the tubes are trying to make it more difficult for the uploaders to delete the videos later on, i.e. one of the sites removed a Delete button altogether, later on allowed to delete only 1 video per month, and now (probably because of the massive outcry) allowed the videos removal again. And all that, as they say, because they don't want a search results to point at a deleted video.
So, how much harm and how much good the tube uploads do?

[The Porn Nerd]

Know of any other way to get adult traffic in equal numbers to your sites without paying for it? I'm all ears.

[xXXtesy10]

Originally Posted by kesha1

Almost every producer now has uploaded videos to all the different adult tubes and most likely has created a channel within a tube the videos were uploaded to, or the tubes them selves created those channels uniting all the videos from that brand (site) under the same name at the same place.
As a result, the search engines point at those tube channels which will be next to the original sites with the only difference that they are 100% free, so, a visitor is left with harsh dilemma weather to pay for watching them or watch for free.
Yes, those uploads will create traffic and if the videos have watermarks surfers will search for them and... will get the search results where the tube channels will provide those videos for free.
So, by uploading the videos to the tubes the producers create competition to their own sites.
I also noticed that the tubes are trying to make it more difficult for the uploaders to delete the videos later on, i.e. one of the sites removed a Delete button altogether, later on allowed to delete only 1 video per month, and now (probably because of the massive outcry) allowed the videos removal again. And all that, as they say, because they don't want a search results to point at a deleted video.
So, how much harm and how much good the tube uploads do?

cum on bro. 90% of these not anything by any user. these dvd rip, site scene and others are packaged on hard drives in a certain ex-soviet block country. Then they ship direct to hosts in europe, specifically amsterdam hosting companies. its as easy as that. some of the biggest tube sites do this.

[kesha1]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Know of any other way to get adult traffic in equal numbers to your sites without paying for it? I'm all ears.

My point exactly, but about 5 years ago they started making those "channels" where they gather all your videos in one place which in searches will be right next to your pay site, so, I just wonder how other producers handle it.

[kesha1]

And some of them began restricting ways to delete submitted videos, which made it even more difficult to reverse building up those "channels", so, anyone found a way to still use them and not compete with your own content given out for free?

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by kesha1

And some of them began restricting ways to delete submitted videos, which made it even more difficult to reverse building up those "channels", so, anyone found a way to still use them and not compete with your own content given out for free?

I am wondering if tubes would delete channels if requested. I am going to try this next week.

The theory goes: videos are added to your channels before they hit the Homepage. Your friends and surfers can find and vote on these videos so when they do hit the Homepage you have a 'head start' with Upvotes and views. Thereby leading to longer times on the Homepage, more views, clicks, sales.

That's the THEORY. But this does not negate what you astutely point out so I will ask some sites to remove channels. Pleaces like XVideos it will not be possible I am guessing. But others, like PornHub, may be possible.

Fuck, I don't even like having my own videos in the 'Related Videos' section!

[Matyko]

kesha1, I think you are wrong [on many levels], and you still think of tubes as enemies. Actually, as me and my crew started to work on Content Partner Channels and frankly I am surprised Big Time how cooperative tubes I meet. Most of them still don't give common affiliates JackShit, but Content Partnership is way different. The trend is awesome, just check what does for example xhamster offer to content owners.
Deleting your videos and channels are fucking easy, I think what you say about it is untrue. Name a few big tubes who you are experiencing such things, Please!

We need more tubes who work like sunporno.com [tubeguild.com, earlier TGP Alliance, still owned by same guys and it's a GOOD business still for simple affiliates as well, you don't have to be a content partner to gain special benefits..] and xhamster [their solutions and tweaking options are way above average]

Please, everyone, don't start the 'fuck the fucking thieves!' comments

It was Always a struggle to compete with affiliate sites @ google.. in the past the fight was between tgps, blogs, whatever, now its with torrent sites and big tubes. If you say fuck off to anyone, than say fuck off to google for keeping torrent sites in good positions.. Think of it the other way: you open an awesome paysite, and now you don't need to suck google's cock all day long for months/years to get results, you just need to open content partner channels on the big tubes and traffic and sales will come. I think of these channels as alternate tours...

And with saying most big sites/programs are already on the tubes with their well-configged channels : you are wrong. I'd rather say more and more understand how important this is, but don't have the crew to do it properly. Bulk submitting auto-cut videos with crap watermarks won't help much...

[ownedbox]

why don't you cut those videos instead and put a url watermarks saying "more on url" when uploading to tubes

[kesha1]

[QUOTE=Matyko;20473889]I think what you say about it is untrue. Name a few big tubes who you are experiencing such things, Please!
QUOTE]

Sure. I don't want to name the tubes here, but, for example, the biggest one you know. For years they were fine, and you could delete any of your videos any time you want. Then, all of a sudden, they removed the Delete button, explaining it with their reason that they don't want their visitors to click on the videos that would not show.
Then, probably because of objections from producers they started allowing 3(three) deletes a month!
Now they are back to their senses, and all the videos are possible to delete.
Just like youtube, any tube is just a site where people can upload their videos for others to see, and delete them if they don't want them to be there anymore. But such a precedent would make you think about to what extend the tubes might think that copyrighted material belongs to them once uploaded.
BTW, the tube that you have mentioned (XH) is really a good one, they honestly place the videos in the order uploaded and don't try to play some prioritizing game.

[SmutHammer]

Same as it has always been. Tubes = lots of shit traffic that give some sales. They devalue the industry and are in place for pathetic program owners to gain scraps at the same time killing their own business by teaching people that "porn is free" attitude. If tubes could only have a few videos from each website or be promo clips it would be a totally different story.

If you give your content away for free don't be surprised when nobody wants to buy it.

[Matyko]

Originally Posted by kesha1

Sure. I don't want to name the tubes here, but, for example, the biggest one you know. For years they were fine, and you could delete any of your videos any time you want. Then, all of a sudden, they removed the Delete button, explaining it with their reason that they don't want their visitors to click on the videos that would not show.
Then, probably because of objections from producers they started allowing 3(three) deletes a month!
Now they are back to their senses, and all the videos are possible to delete.
Just like youtube, any tube is just a site where people can upload their videos for others to see, and delete them if they don't want them to be there anymore. But such a precedent would make you think about to what extend the tubes might think that copyrighted material belongs to them once uploaded.
BTW, the tube that you have mentioned (XH) is really a good one, they honestly place the videos in the order uploaded and don't try to play some prioritizing game.

Assuming this is true I say they might have done this for SEO reasons.
The more and more I am getting involved in the tube business I see good trends, but I dislike some.

Let's point out an issue from common affiliate/webmaster side: lack of possibility to enter the game. MOST tubes offer real benefits for Content Owners only. Affiliates are fucked in the business model and honestly, I don't see the way out Benefit on most tubes for affiliates: You can have the watermark traffic. Any gallery submitters here? Remember TGP Alliance? Sunporno and friends. They were always good guys and they remained fair. They let you use your link as an affiliate. It is true that it is shared in 50-50% with theirs, but if this would be general, tube submitting would be a good business.

And another bad trend, affecting Content Owners: some big tubes want Content Owners to over-watermark their own content to PAYSITE.COM/TUBENAME and set up a redirect. The fact that some program owners agree with this and let this happen is one of the most sad things in the tube biz nowadays..

I don't want to badmouth any sites really, for bad acts in the past. I care about what they tend to do nowadays, what is the trend I see on their sites. On some important sites I see good trends. Pimproll's PaidPerView program seems to be good - would love to hear experience about it. ClipHunter.com's video page for official channels is awesome. Partner Programs details for xvideos and xhamster are quite OK. xHamster's fingerprinting solution - in theory - is fucking awesome and should be very widespread...

I believe if the Content Owners, and companies representing the content owners would keep being pushy and ask for more and more fair conditions from all the big tubes, everyone would be way happier.. Except for tube submitting affiliates, they are doomed, unless a miracle happens.

[TampaToker]

Not going to go into exact details but tubes can bring you 100+ sales a day with good content and great promo clips with tubes. I would of not believed it myself but when i worked for JT and reallyusefulcash those were the numbers daily just from tubes

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Matyko

Assuming this is true I say they might have done this for SEO reasons.
The more and more I am getting involved in the tube business I see good trends, but I dislike some.

Let's point out an issue from common affiliate/webmaster side: lack of possibility to enter the game. MOST tubes offer real benefits for Content Owners only. Affiliates are fucked in the business model and honestly, I don't see the way out Benefit on most tubes for affiliates: You can have the watermark traffic. Any gallery submitters here? Remember TGP Alliance? Sunporno and friends. They were always good guys and they remained fair. They let you use your link as an affiliate. It is true that it is shared in 50-50% with theirs, but if this would be general, tube submitting would be a good business.

And another bad trend, affecting Content Owners: some big tubes want Content Owners to over-watermark their own content to PAYSITE.COM/TUBENAME and set up a redirect. The fact that some program owners agree with this and let this happen is one of the most sad things in the tube biz nowadays..

I don't want to badmouth any sites really, for bad acts in the past. I care about what they tend to do nowadays, what is the trend I see on their sites. On some important sites I see good trends. Pimproll's PaidPerView program seems to be good - would love to hear experience about it. ClipHunter.com's video page for official channels is awesome. Partner Programs details for xvideos and xhamster are quite OK. xHamster's fingerprinting solution - in theory - is fucking awesome and should be very widespread...

I believe if the Content Owners, and companies representing the content owners would keep being pushy and ask for more and more fair conditions from all the big tubes, everyone would be way happier.. Except for tube submitting affiliates, they are doomed, unless a miracle happens.

We should talk and brainstorm sometime on how we can better work with tubes. I agree with your overall thoughts about tubes. I was one of the very first Programs to work with YouPorn way back in 2009. I could see the writing on the wall then, even tho I was a noob. LOL

Oh - and the only /TUBESITE watermark we do is for YouPorn. I believe they demand it and it is worth it for them even tho it doubles my Team's workload, watermark-wise. I won't do it for anyone else, tho.

Bottom line: most Programs simply do not know what to DO with tube traffic once it hits their Tours so they blame the Tubes. LOL Your Tours have to be optimized for such traffic and if it's not the traffic from tubes is diminshed. Not 'wasted' tho because tubes are great for branding and you will get type-in traffic from them. But the Goal here is to convert the click-through traffic (the clicks coming from the banner or text links on the tubes) once they hit your site. THEN it's cha-ching time.

Originally Posted by TampaToker

Not going to go into exact details but tubes can bring you 100+ sales a day with good content and great promo clips with tubes. I would of not believed it myself but when i worked for JT and reallyusefulcash those were the numbers daily just from tubes

These numbers do not surprise me at all. Adjusted for size (I am a much smaller company) we get similar numbers from tube traffic.

[PichunterPartners]

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They pay us nothing for the traffic (affiliate only). It took maybe 30 mins to setup.

That's why.

[PichunterPartners]

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[Socks]

Originally Posted by PichunterPartners

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[kesha1]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

Not going to go into exact details but tubes can bring you 100+ sales a day with good content and great promo clips with tubes. I would of not believed it myself but when i worked for JT and reallyusefulcash those were the numbers daily just from tubes

100+ a day? That's incredible!
Honestly, I can't get my mind around it. What kind of content is needed so badly out there? It seems like mostly people come, watch whatever is on the first few pages and go, and with the number of clips uploaded daily to the tubes that should be something really outstanding and unusual.
Even I shot some stuff almost under the Eiffel Tower, Louvre and by the queen palace, thinking that this is really hard to touch with how brave and risky it was, probably mistaken about its uniqueness and crazyness.
Maybe I should have stayed in the States and shot clips at the studio or where ever those highly demanded clips were shot.
What kind of content was getting that many click throughs?

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by kesha1

100+ a day? That's incredible!
Honestly, I can't get my mind around it. What kind of content is needed so badly out there? It seems like mostly people come, watch whatever is on the first few pages and go, and with the number of clips uploaded daily to the tubes that should be something really outstanding and unusual.
Even I shot some stuff almost under the Eiffel Tower, Louvre and by the queen palace, thinking that this is really hard to touch with how brave and risky it was, probably mistaken about its uniqueness and crazyness.
Maybe I should have stayed in the States and shot clips at the studio or where ever those highly demanded clips were shot.
What kind of content was getting that many click throughs?

Well you have to realize too that this is 100+ sales for many sites, not just one. Many of the big networks get 100+ sales a day.

I'm sure your stuff would do great too if marketed the right way. It's all about the story, HOW you present the content, etc. In the end, it's just people fucking after all. LOL

[xXXtesy10]

Originally Posted by PichunterPartners

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[Matyko]

Originally Posted by PichunterPartners

Blacked.com makes 1 join every 43,567 views on Cliphunter

They pay us nothing for the traffic (affiliate only). It took maybe 30 mins to setup.

That's why.

Be careful with madcheddar, content is Great but I had bad experience with them. Nothing major, just take attention.

[kesha1]

Originally Posted by SmutHammer

Same as it has always been. Tubes = lots of shit traffic that give some sales. They devalue the industry and are in place for pathetic program owners to gain scraps at the same time killing their own business by teaching people that "porn is free" attitude. If tubes could only have a few videos from each website or be promo clips it would be a totally different story.

If you give your content away for free don't be surprised when nobody wants to buy it.

Exactly!
And on top of that those "channels" with your own banners and bunch of other layout pictures, as if they forcing you to compete with your self.
So, what's the outcome, to stop uploading to tubes altogether, or keep doing it but in some different way?

[Pornopat]

There is much more to submitting to tubes then simply hitting the submitbutton. It takes a special, well thought out and professional approach to get good results. I have seen many affiliate programs doing more harm then good to themselves and often I need to point out what they are doing wrong.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Pornopat

There is much more to submitting to tubes then simply hitting the submitbutton. It takes a special, well thought out and professional approach to get good results. I have seen many affiliate programs doing more harm then good to themselves and often I need to point out what they are doing wrong.

Maybe share some of the most common mistakes submitters make? Or share some tips for better results?

[Pornopat]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Maybe share some of the most common mistakes submitters make? Or share some tips for better results?

SEO is a huge factor that is often overlooked.

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

Not going to go into exact details but tubes can bring you 100+ sales a day with good content and great promo clips with tubes. I would of not believed it myself but when i worked for JT and reallyusefulcash those were the numbers daily just from tubes

He also had people submitting to 4000+ smaller tubes every day for him and he knew people at the tubes unusually well... :x

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by Pornopat

SEO is a huge factor that is often overlooked.

If anyone is making a tube and overlooking seo, they're doing it wrong..

[kesha1]

Originally Posted by Colmike7

He also had people submitting to 4000+ smaller tubes every day for him and he knew people at the tubes unusually well... :x

4000?? That's a lot! At most I can upload to a 100. What submitter is used for such a huge number of tubes?

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by kesha1

4000?? That's a lot! At most I can upload to a 100. What submitter is used for such a huge number of tubes?

No clue, I just know that two guys were doing that full time. I did other stuff.

[Matyko]

SEO is an overrated mystic factor that is often overhyped

Submitting to 4000 tubes is ridiculous. We've used Chameleon's Tube Submitter but dropped it: what makes sense to submit to needs/deserves manual submitting anyway.

I believe only tubes with content partner programs worth submitting.

I also believe that using over-watermarked videos on content partner channels is the biggest crap I've seen nowadays. Submitting over-watermarked videos makes no sense to me, at least my company works totally otherwise.

[kesha1]

Yes, Chameleon, that's what we use, too...
Still not sure what percentage of traffic it gives. Anyone's experience with them would be great to know.

[Colmike9]

Is making Youtube channels/playlists with popular terms profitable if you mix in popular "adult" videos with non-nude videos that you post yourself with watermarks or those "To see the full video, visit site.tld" videos?

I mean if two kids can make $120,000/month with a cooking show, why can't non-nude porn make 1% of that there plus extra income from type-ins?

[kesha1]

We tried it about 7 years ago, but it didn't work on youtube this way..., and one by one almost all these videos were "reported" anyway.
So, any opinion on Chameleon's Tube Submitter?

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Colmike7

Is making Youtube channels/playlists with popular terms profitable if you mix in popular "adult" videos with non-nude videos that you post yourself with watermarks or those "To see the full video, visit site.tld" videos?

I mean if two kids can make $120,000/month with a cooking show, why can't non-nude porn make 1% of that there plus extra income from type-ins?

It can be done, and done well. BUT you MUST be a good Editor and make sure it's 100% softcore and implied to avoid being reported. Even then you will be, just not as much.

Originally Posted by kesha1

We tried it about 7 years ago, but it didn't work on youtube this way..., and one by one almost all these videos were "reported" anyway.
So, any opinion on Chameleon's Tube Submitter?

First, I like Elmy very much. And I like Chameleon Submitter (the software). But I agree with Matyko that the issue is with the business model. First, you do not submit to 4000 tubes. That's how many are in their databse. And when you pick the categories out THAT determines which of the 4000 get submitted to. Try it with the Asian category and see for yourself. Or MILF.

But still, your video will go out to hundreds of tubes at once (IF it is in the right format, the right length, the right file size) - that is, IF some tubes have not banned your IP. Use the Proxy service, much better. But then there's the issue of multiple paysites/usernames/logins linked to one account, as is often the case with Content Partner Accounts. Chameleon will upload the video to your MAIN profile, which may not be the correct channel/profile for the video. So it has to be manually uploaded.

But aside from all that the traffic back was, for me, minimal and I saw zero differance in overall sales. It's great to send a video out to 500 tubes but if the top one of those only gets 1,000 or 200 views per video the result is tiny. That was my experience anyway. Maybe others have had more success.

[kesha1]

Are we talking about the same submitter? Right now Tube Sites Submitter has 448 tubes altogether, of all genres, niches and themes.
Where did u get ur copy of submitter? I'd love to submit to 4000 dumps every day, even if there will be only 200 views on each.
About the length, whatever video you submit it is too long for some tubes and too short for some others. Any known format of video is acceptable for submission, it will be converted anyway.
There are only a few applications those tubes use, but some have highly customized or specifically for them written, in that case you would have to submit manually.
But again, where did you get your copy of submitter that it has 4000 tubes in it?

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by kesha1

Are we talking about the same submitter? Right now Tube Sites Submitter has 448 tubes altogether, of all genres, niches and themes.
Where did u get ur copy of submitter? I'd love to submit to 4000 dumps every day, even if there will be only 200 views on each.
About the length, whatever video you submit it is too long for some tubes and too short for some others. Any known format of video is acceptable for submission, it will be converted anyway.
There are only a few applications those tubes use, but some have highly customized or specifically for them written, in that case you would have to submit manually.
But again, where did you get your copy of submitter that it has 4000 tubes in it?

Maybe I am wrong about the number. Maybe I added a 0. LOL Or maybe that is the number from Chameleon's service. At any rate, to submit many videos and have some be manual, some not go to the right place, and yes some say 'wrong format' when uploading so some issues have come up. But otherwise it is good software. My issue is more why submit to so many baby tubes where no banner or link, just a profile, with so few members/views etc? For me it did not work but maybe for you it does. I hope so!