Chemotherapy may worsen end-of-life quality, study finds

[wehateporn]

A new study suggests that patients may not benefit from end-of-life chemotherapy ? and that for many, their quality of life may worsen in their final weeks compared with patients who forgo last-ditch treatment.

It is an excruciating question for cancer patients with a prognosis of months to live: Should they try another round of chemotherapy?

Guidelines for oncologists say no for very sick patients, those who are often bedridden and cannot handle most daily needs themselves. But for patients who are more self-sufficient, chemotherapy is considered a reasonable option. Despite its well-known toxic side effects, many end-stage patients and their doctors have considered chemotherapy worth trying, believing it may ease discomfort or buy time.

A new study suggests that even those stronger patients may not benefit from end-of-life chemotherapy ? and that for many, their quality of life may worsen in their final weeks compared with patients who forgo last-ditch treatment.

?It worsened quality of life for those that are relatively healthy, and those are the ones that the guidelines support treating,? said Dr. Charles Blanke, a medical oncologist at Oregon Health & Science University, who was not involved in the study. ?Chemotherapy is supposed to either help people live better or help them live longer, and this study showed that chemotherapy did neither.?

Continued Chemotherapy may worsen end-of-life quality, study finds | The Seattle Times

[aka123]

Let me fix that title for you.

"A new study suggests that patients may not benefit from end-of-life chemotherapy"

Not that biggie health issue anyways. Those who are about to die (soon) are wasted anyways.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by aka123

Let me fix that title for you.

"A new study suggests that patients may not benefit from end-of-life chemotherapy"

Your title hides the bad bit though

[TheSquealer]

Once again, you're a genius. A person with 3 weeks to live may or may not benefit from aggressive treatments to possibly give them another few weeks to live.

Genius stuff.

Ground breaking.

You should be getting your Noble Prize for copying and pasting nonsense any year now.

• YOU are not a doctor
• YOU are not an Oncologist
• YOU are not a bio chemist
• YOU are not a medical researcher
• YOU are not a physician of any kind
• YOU could not pass a basic high school anatomy and physiology exam
• YOU are not qualified to have any form of medical opinion

.

[Rochard]

My grandmother went through chemotherapy. She was 88 at the time, and frankly it just made her suffer more. She gave up on it, and lived another year and passed away at age 89. In the end she died in her garden, which is where she spent most of our time for the past twenty years.

This might sound cold, but when you are 90 years old and have cancer.... chemotherapy is just going to cause more problems than it's worth.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Your title hides the bad bit though

But it says clearly that it is about end-of-life chemotherapy, not about chemotherapy in general.

Just like the certain vaccines pose problem mostly to cats, instead of just "pets".

[poncabare]

putting poison in you wont make your life better? strange...

[DavieVegas]

Read this earlier today. My friend was just diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer in his early 30s. This seems to be the route he is going as well. He wants to enjoy the past year or 2 if hes lucky and actually be able to do things daily then just lay in a bed until he dies

[SuckOnThis]

But at least it makes the doctors and drug companies richer.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by DavieVegas

Read this earlier today. My friend was just diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer in his early 30s. This seems to be the route he is going as well. He wants to enjoy the past year or 2 if hes lucky and actually be able to do things daily then just lay in a bed until he dies

All the information he needs here

The Causes of Colon, Rectal, and Stomach Cancer

[hottoddy]

This is nothing new, and has long been a tough choice. Many cancers have a very poor recovery rate. Some opt to forgo treatment and live their last months more comfortably. Others, choose the fight despite the odds and suffer to the end. Factors include age, family, unfinished business, etc ...

If I get stage 4 aggressive pancreatic cancer today (2-5% recovery rate), I may choose to undergo chemo on the chance I might recover, knowing that the next few months will likely be my last and full of pain and suffering. I owe that much to my family. If I was 70+, I'd just ask for plenty of morphine.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by DavieVegas

Read this earlier today. My friend was just diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer in his early 30s. This seems to be the route he is going as well. He wants to enjoy the past year or 2 if hes lucky and actually be able to do things daily then just lay in a bed until he dies

I know someone who survived to this with a treatment and an appropriate diet.

Also, it is not very cool to die from starvation

[wehateporn]

Meet the Man Called 'Crazy' By Doctors Who Cured His Own Colon Cancer | Natural Society

[wehateporn]

Author Ann Cameron cured her stage 4 cancer with carrot juice, nothing else.

Author Ann Cameron cured her stage 4 cancer with carrot juice, nothing else. -

[Due]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Once again, you're a genius. A person with 3 weeks to live may or may not benefit from aggressive treatments to possibly give them another few weeks to live.

Genius stuff.

Ground breaking.

You should be getting your Noble Prize for copying and pasting nonsense any year now.

• YOU are not a doctor
• YOU are not an Oncologist
• YOU are not a bio chemist
• YOU are not a medical researcher
• YOU are not a physician of any kind
• YOU could not pass a basic high school anatomy and physiology exam
• YOU are not qualified to have any form of medical opinion

.

With chemo the choices would be 3 okay weeks without chemo or 5 weeks being sick in bed or possibly in a hospital.

[bronco67]

My mother-in-law had some kind of lymph node cancer that chemotherapy actually nuked pretty good...now she keeps it at bay. Or maybe it's gone.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Author Ann Cameron cured her stage 4 cancer with carrot juice, nothing else.

Author Ann Cameron cured her stage 4 cancer with carrot juice, nothing else. -

Steve Jobs tried something similar.

Worked well?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Sly

Steve Jobs tried something similar.

Worked well?

It did work very well, normally people with his cancer are dead within 6 months from chemo/radio, whereas Jobs lasted 7 years which is almost unheard of for pancreatic cancer.

Patrick Swayze paid for the best Big Pharma medicines available to treat his pancreatic cancer, he was dead within 18 months.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

It did work very well, normally people with his cancer are dead within 6 months from chemo/radio, whereas Jobs lasted 7 years which is almost unheard of for pancreatic cancer.

Patrick Swayze paid for the best Big Pharma medicines available to treat his pancreatic cancer, he was dead within 18 months.

Kudos again for your bullshit.

" Half of people diagnosed with cancer now survive their disease for at least ten years.
46% of men and 54% of women cancer patients diagnosed in 2010-2011 in England and Wales are predicted to survive 10 or more years.
Cancer survival in the UK have doubled in the last 40 years."

" There is huge variation in survival between cancer types, ranging from 98% for testicular cancer to just 1% for pancreatic cancer.
Nearly half of the most common cancers, have ten-year survival of 50% or more.
Testicular cancer, malignant melanoma, prostate cancer and Hodgkin lymphoma have ten-year survival of 80% or more.
Some cancer types, continue to be difficult to diagnose and/or treat, and ten-year survival is less than 20% for stomach, brain, oesophageal, lung and pancreatic cancers."

Cancer survival statistics | Cancer Research UK


Yeah, you claim that people die to the cancer treatment, not the cancer. This must be some kinda top record from you. If everything was so better without modern health care, then why our lifespan has prolonged significantly? But sure, use some middle age hocus pocus and if there was something working back then, remember to avoid it, as it was that day's top treatment back then (by that day's evil doctors).

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by aka123

Kudos again for your bullshit.

I don't for even a split Second believe that you're not trolling me, but I'm still going to feed you since it's a rather important topic and we don't want passers-by getting misinformed

Survival Rates
According to the American Cancer Society, for all stages of pancreatic cancer combined, the one-year relative survival rate is 20%, and the five-year rate is 6%. These low survival rates are attributable to the fact that fewer than 20% of patients' tumors are confined to the pancreas at the time of diagnosis; in most cases, the malignancy has already progressed to the point where surgical removal is impossible.

Prognosis of Pancreatic Cancer - Pancreatic Cancer

[aka123]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

I don't for even a split Second believe that you're not trolling me, but I'm still going to feed you since it's a rather important topic and we don't want passers-by getting misinformed

Survival Rates
According to the American Cancer Society, for all stages of pancreatic cancer combined, the one-year relative survival rate is 20%, and the five-year rate is 6%. These low survival rates are attributable to the fact that fewer than 20% of patients' tumors are confined to the pancreas at the time of diagnosis; in most cases, the malignancy has already progressed to the point where surgical removal is impossible.

Prognosis of Pancreatic Cancer - Pancreatic Cancer

Since when this has been just about pancreatic cancer? Or how the text you quoted proves that the patients die to the treatment?

You just misinform people as fast as you can. If someone works for some evil illuminati in here, it is you. You take some bad cancer type and then use it to paint bad picture over cancer treatment in general. If you are already half dead, it is no wonder that treatment won't help that much in that stage.

You just suggest carrot juice as an alternative cancer treatment, or something like that. Come on..

[wehateporn]

We were talking about Steve Jobs and his specific cancer

Originally Posted by aka123

Since when this has been just about pancreatic cancer? Or how the text you quoted proves that the patients die to the treatment?

You just misinform people as fast as you can. If someone works for some evil illuminati in here, it is you. You take some bad cancer type and then use it to paint bad picture over cancer treatment in general. If you are already half dead, it is no wonder that treatment won't help that much in that stage.

You just suggest carrot juice as an alternative cancer treatment, or something like that. Come on..

[aka123]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

We were talking about Steve Jobs and his specific cancer

Oh yeah? How that spans to your chemotherapy recommendations (you know, he is just one man)? You just cherry pick whatever you want to spam your propaganda.

Do you even know what kind of treatment Steve Jobs had? He had medical treatment after letting it go worse for six months. Not just carrot juice, ehh...

"He eventually underwent a pancreaticoduodenectomy (or "Whipple procedure") in July 2004, that appeared to remove the tumor successfully."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Health_issues

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by aka123

Oh yeah? How that spans to your chemotherapy recommendations (you know, he is just one man)? You just cherry pick whatever you want to spam your propaganda.

Do you even know what kind of treatment Steve Jobs had? He had medical treatment after letting it go worse for six months. Not just carrot juice, ehh...

"He eventually underwent a pancreaticoduodenectomy (or "Whipple procedure") in July 2004, that appeared to remove the tumor successfully."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Health_issues

To get back to the original context, Sly sarcastically said that natural treatments "worked well" for Steve Jobs, I pointed out that actually it did work very well in the grand scheme of things

[aka123]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

To get back to the original context, Sly sarcastically said that natural treatments "worked well" for Steve Jobs, I pointed out that actually it did work very well in the grand scheme of things

Except that it didn't work for him. After failed "natural treatment" attempts he had his cancer surgically removed and after it renewed he got liver transplant.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by aka123

Except that it didn't work for him. After failed "natural treatment" attempts he had his cancer surgically removed and after it renewed he got liver transplant.

I know when I'm getting trolled, my mistake is that I still reply, you're sending me full troll circle

[aka123]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

I know when I'm getting trolled, my mistake is that I still reply, you're sending me full troll circle

You are the troll in here, I just pointed out that the "natural treatment" didn't work for Steve Jobs. And you were the one claiming that it did work for him, not me.

Though you probably just didn't know about Steve Jobs case in detail, but anyways. I didn't neither, but I googled it.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by aka123

You are the troll in here, I just pointed out that the "natural treatment" didn't work for Steve Jobs. And you were the one claiming that it did work for him, not me.

Though you probably just didn't know about Steve Jobs case in detail, but anyways. I didn't neither, but I googled it.

In a nut shell, he started at a near 100% chance of survival through conventional medicine and through his commitment to "natural treatments" took himself to 0% chance of survival.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by aka123

You are the troll in here, I just pointed out that the "natural treatment" didn't work for Steve Jobs. And you were the one claiming that it did work for him, not me.

Though you probably just didn't know about Steve Jobs case in detail, but anyways. I didn't neither, but I googled it.

Excellent work aka123 Now if we send everyone back to post #18 we can charge them to ride our infinite-loop rollercoaster

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

In a nut shell, he started at a near 100% chance of survival through conventional medicine and through his commitment to "natural treatments" took himself to 0% chance of survival.

You accidentally posted with your TheSquealer nick

[aka123]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Excellent work aka123 Now if we send everyone back to post #18 we can charge them to ride our infinite-loop rollercoaster

No way. If this will become as a infinite loop, I want to monetize it. Wait until I insert some Elephant power penis pill ads into my messages.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

It did work very well, normally people with his cancer are dead within 6 months from chemo/radio, whereas Jobs lasted 7 years which is almost unheard of for pancreatic cancer.

Patrick Swayze paid for the best Big Pharma medicines available to treat his pancreatic cancer, he was dead within 18 months.

Jobs? cancer had been discovered by chance during a CT scan in 2003 to look for kidney stones, during which doctors saw a ?shadow? on his pancreas. Isaacson told CBS? 60 Minutes last night that while the news was not good, the upside was that the form of pancreatic cancer from which Jobs suffered (a neuroendocrine islet tumor) was one of the 5% or so that are slow growing and most likely to be cured.

But Jobs refused surgery after diagnosis and for nine months after, favoring instead dietary treatments and other alternative methods. Isaacson says that when he asked Jobs why he had resisted it, Jobs said ?I didn?t want my body to be opened?I didn?t want to be violated in that way.? His early resistance to surgery was apparently incomprehensible to his wife and close friends, who continually urged him to do it.

Why are you always lying?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Why are you always lying?

Actually I don't have a problem with the surgery part, it's the chemo and radiotherapy parts I warn against

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Actually I don't have a problem with the surgery part, it's the chemo and radiotherapy parts I warn against

You shouldn't be warning against anything since you're not a doctor. Studying Youtube videos all day in your parents' basement doesn't qualify you.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

You shouldn't be warning against anything since you're not a doctor. Studying Youtube videos all day in your parents' basement doesn't qualify you.

One doesn't need to be a doctor to warn against a corrupt medical industry, just as one doesn't have to be a banker to warn about the banks

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

You accidentally posted with your TheSquealer nick

So in addition to all your other conspiracy theories, anyone that calls you out for being a lunatic is part of yet another conspiracy?

Makes sense.

Thats not surprising.

Consistent with the fact that you suffer from paranoid delusions.

Also quite convenient for you as you keep dodging facts which don't support your paranoid rhetoric,

Take your meds. Stop pretending to be a doctor. Stop giving medical advice. Stop endangering lives just because you're a lunatic suffering from paranoid delusions. Be a man. Get help. Be strong enough to help yourself instead of hurting others to keep fooling yourself into thinking you "get it".

[Jel]

whp ripped to shreds yet again, man this thread delivers

he's like the matt cutts of the amateur medical council

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Jel

whp ripped to shreds yet again, man this thread delivers

[wehateporn]

Remember also that Chemo permanently damages your brain, so that would have stopped him from doing what he did best

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Remember also that Chemo permanently damages your brain, so that would have stopped him from doing what he did best

So,... you admit he killed himself by seeking "natural treatments" and then reason (incorrectly and somewhat bizarrely) that Steve Jobs living is somehow worse than being dead because of some mild and temporary effects on his cognition which chemo may have?

What the fuck man? You drown your kids in a bathtub to prevent them from getting cuts and bruises?

[TheSquealer]

It should be said again that you are not a doctor. Your claim was false (permanent brain damage - means he would have been different)... as you know absolutely nothing about neuroscience, neurogenisis or neuro-plasticity. But you are saying all chemo causes permanent brain damage which is pure bullshit. Feel free to post bullshit studies but a simple fact is that your brain is actually quite good at restoring lost function and more and more is being learned daily about the impact of physical exercise on the brain as well as well designed mental exercises to reverse or circumvent impairments and you have no clue what he would have suffered, it at all or what impact, if at all (though likely temporary) any chemo would have had.

You are just a mentally ill idiot, googling shit at high speed pretending to know things.

[wehateporn]

The opposite, he kept himself going by avoiding chemo and radiotherapy for so long, then he eventually had radiotherapy which will have helped kill him.

The effects of chemo on the brain are permanent, the last thing a man like Jobs would have wanted

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

So,... you admit he killed himself by seeking "natural treatments" and then reason (incorrectly and somewhat bizarrely) that Steve Jobs living is somehow worse than being dead because of some mild and temporary effects on his cognition which chemo may have?

What the fuck man? You drown your kids in a bathtub to prevent them from getting cuts and bruises?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

It should be said again that you are not a doctor. Your claim was false (permanent brain damage - means he would have been different)... as you know absolutely nothing about neuroscience, neurogenisis or neuro-plasticity. But you are saying all chemo causes permanent brain damage which is pure bullshit.

You make this far too easy for me, like I'm shooting down the Space Invaders, that's why I assume you're all just trolling

How long does chemo brain last?

Chemo brain normally starts to improve within one year of treatment, but some of the brain damage appears to be permanent.

Latest Research On Chemo Brain After Breast Cancer Treatment | Food for Breast Cancer

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

The opposite, he kept himself going by avoiding chemo and radiotherapy for so long, then he eventually had radiotherapy which will have helped kill him.

The effects of chemo on the brain are permanent, the last thing a man like Jobs would have wanted

Uhm.... i think its quite clear that he wanted to live at any cost. He did everything that money could buy towards the end to save his own life and pursued every conventional treatment AFTER IT WAS TOO LATE and once he couldn't remain in denial... then he unnecessarily died. Those are facts.... not theories, not suppositions, not speculations. The clock started ticking the very day the cancer was discovered and he wasted a lot of time trying to do hippy shit instead of getting competent medical advice/treatment and being saved from dying from cancer just like the many many many many thousands of people are every single fucking day of the year.

He was a hippy that was in denial ... he did nothing to get help and refused all medical advice in spite of the fact that a simple operation could have removed the cancer and instead, let it all go until it was too late... and died.

Arguing that he willfully killed himself because he didn't want "chemo brain" because he was a genius is a perfect example of how idiotic your deluded brain is and shows where your idiotic reasoning (with google) can take a crazy person.