Noam Chomsky: "What exactly is the threat of Iran?"

[wehateporn]

The real threat of Iran...

1. They refuse private central banking.

2. They sell their oil for currencies other than the US dollar.

3. Iran refuses to live under US puppet rule.

[freecartoonporn]

its their country, i dont care how they rule/operate it, is democracy there yet ?

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by freecartoonporn

is democracy there yet ?

Yes free and fair elections in 2013 as usual observed by Jimmy Carter.

[Joshua G]

goddamn do i hate chomsky. but when he's right, he's right.

[dyna mo]

And that's why it's a good thing "intellectuals" are not in charge. His logic is sound (double standard) he is not touch with reality. Academics.

[slavdogg]

this guy is a total idiot

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

The real threat of Iran...

1. They refuse private central banking.

2. They sell their oil for currencies other than the US dollar.

3. Iran refuses to live under US puppet rule.

Spot on

[JetBlack]

Iran has never invaded anyone.

[Rochard]

Look at it this way.... How many countries has Iran attacked in the past one hundred years? Then compare it to how many countries the United States attacked in the past one hundred years.

I know exactly what Iran is, who they support, and what they've done behind the scenes. But when you compare them to the United States, it makes us look like monsters.

[kane]

I'm not worried about Iran making a nuclear missile and shooting it at Isreal. They know that would be the end of them. I am worried about them making a nuclear bomb, giving it to a group like Isis and them exploding it somewhere.

[femdomdestiny]

Few years ago my good friend went to Iran. I 've said, wtf you are doing there, I was suspicious is that smart move. In short: people are polite, flying by airplane inside country is cheap, there are very nice places at sea where no one is bothering women for wearing bikinis, they don't like americans,that is true, most of people he met were educated and they live normal life. There are some specific rules there because of their religion and culture, but who cares, it's their country.

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by kane

I'm not worried about Iran making a nuclear missile and shooting it at Isreal. They know that would be the end of them. I am worried about them making a nuclear bomb, giving it to a group like Isis and them exploding it somewhere.

They are fighting ISIS just like Assad,for years. Actually, in case Iran didn't help them, Assad would be in even worse position.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by slavdogg

this guy is a total idiot

Avram Noam Chomsky (/ˈnoʊm ˈtʃɒmski/; born December 7, 1928) is an American linguist, philosopher,[21][22] cognitive scientist, logician,[23][24][25] political commentator, social justice activist, and anarcho-syndicalist advocate.[26] Sometimes described as the "father of modern linguistics",[27][28] Chomsky is also a major figure in analytic philosophy.[21] He has spent most of his career at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), where he is currently Professor Emeritus, and has authored over 100 books. He has been described as a prominent cultural figure, and was voted the "world's top public intellectual" in a 2005 poll.[29]



I mean how dare he call out the #1 bomb dropper government in the entire history of the world? wtf? don't he know 'merica has bacon? don't he know 'merica votes in geniuses like bush? bacon! 'merica! lobbyist democracy!

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Few years ago my good friend went to Iran. I 've said, wtf you are doing there, I was suspicious is that smart move. In short: people are polite, flying by airplane inside country is cheap, there are very nice places at sea where no one is bothering women for wearing bikinis, they don't like americans,that is true, most of people he met were educated and they live normal life. There are some specific rules there because of their religion and culture, but who cares, it's their country.

you are being waaaaaaaay to advanced for americans with this...they will never believe you even though what you are saying is the absolute truth...calling iranians good kind people goes against everything the US gov is shitting in to the brains of 'mericans

I mean it cant be about the oil:

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup, was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the United Kingdom (under the name "Operation Boot") and the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project).[3][4][5][6]

Mossadegh had sought to audit the books of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), a British corporation (now BP) and to change the terms of the company's access to Iranian petroleum reserves

[nico-t]

did we hear anything about iran in western media, other than what the propaganda machine is claiming what they do? It's the old build up again. Indoctrinate the people with media by saying they are a 'threat', poke the targeted countries' government with a stick, and ultimately invade.

Remember iraq? One of the biggest lies in history of wars, and everybody has seemed to forget that. Look at iraq now. Originally a CIA funded group (ISIS) is now ruining the country even more, after the US already flattened it. All for control of their government that they keep trading oil in USD.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

They are fighting ISIS just like Assad,for years. Actually, in case Iran didn't help them, Assad would be in even worse position.

for years?

[seeandsee]

they will struck iran down, they just need time

[kane]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Few years ago my good friend went to Iran. I 've said, wtf you are doing there, I was suspicious is that smart move. In short: people are polite, flying by airplane inside country is cheap, there are very nice places at sea where no one is bothering women for wearing bikinis, they don't like americans,that is true, most of people he met were educated and they live normal life. There are some specific rules there because of their religion and culture, but who cares, it's their country.

I had read that Iran has the highest percentage of population under the age of 35 in the world. These young people want technology and peace and good lives and they are pulling away from the old world hardliners. I think the future there is bright, but as long as it is run by crazy religious people we have to be wary.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

The real threat of Iran...

1. They refuse private central banking.

2. They sell their oil for currencies other than the US dollar.

3. Iran refuses to live under US puppet rule.

That might as well be Finland, though I don't think anyone has demanded those from us. Though Finland doesn't sell oil per se, it buys mainly Russian oil, refines it and sells the products in any currency that is convenient.

We don't like any kind of puppet ruling, we had enough "Finlandization" during cold war.

"Finlandization (Finnish: suomettuminen; Swedish: finlandisering; German: Finnlandisierung) is the process by which one powerful country strongly influences the policies of a smaller neighboring country, while allowing it to keep its independence and its own political system. The term literally means "to become like Finland" referring to the influence of the Soviet Union on Finland's policies during the Cold War."

"In Finland, the term "Finlandization" was perceived as blunt criticism,[citation needed] stemming from an inability to understand the practicalities of how a small nation needs to deal with an adjacent superpower without losing its sovereignty."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finlandization

Finlandization was quite tricky case. We were independent, not invaded during WWII (attacks repelled), not any kind of satellite state for Soviet Union, but still "had to" please Russians and at the same time we prepared to fight against Russians (Soviets), but not of course officially as officially we expected attack from the west (yet old fighting lines were secretly maintained in the east past 90's).

[Barry-xlovecam]

[C]arter also said he believed he would have been re-elected if he took military action against Iran in response to the taking of the hostages. Though he argued he "could have wiped Iran off the map," Carter said he thought avoiding war was the "right decision."

"I could've been re-elected if I'd taken military action against Iran, shown that I was strong and resolute and, um, manly and so forth," said Carter, adding: "I could have wiped Iran off the map with the weapons that we had, but in the process a lot of innocent people would have been killed, probably including the hostages, and so I stood up against all that, er, all that advice, and then eventually my prayers were answered and every hostage came home safe and free. And so I think I made the right decision in retrospect, but it was not easy at the time." ...



Read more: JIMMY CARTER: 'I Could Have Wiped Iran Off The Map' - Business Insider

Jimmie Carter, in retrospect, was a real doofus -- taking some awful positions, notwithstanding pardoning me and the other Vietnam War draft evaders, AWOL soldiers and others charged with Vietnam War related ''crimes against the military industrial complex'' that was running my peers through a meat-grinder for their own profit and anti-communist dogma. That is the only thing I can credit him with.

Noam Chomsky can say what he wants, I believe in freedom of thought and expression, but I strongly disagree with him.


@kane: Their (Iran's) close association with terrorists, hostile political organizations and governments that want to attack and destroy western governments and Muslims that are not of their Shiite sect is a dangerous ambition if they possess nuclear material for a dirty bomb. If they start to assemble nuclear weapons they will be taken out. The Ayatollah is a sitting duck in Qom -- his city of recluse will be laid waste and should the Ayatollah escape and hide -- Ayatollah Khamenei will spend the rest of his short life evading killer drones You can lay money on that ... To kill a daemon you cut off the monster's head then finish it off.


Death to Ayatollah Khamenei if he crosses the line -- let that be sung from the rooftops If the USA doesn't have the balls to go in the Israelis will -- it wouldn't be the first time Israelis have attacked their enemies over their nuclear threats -- the Israelis don't make noise and fuck around -- the Israelis know the soft spots and have the will to do what has to be done.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

They are fighting ISIS just like Assad,for years. Actually, in case Iran didn't help them, Assad would be in even worse position.

.. as well as iRAQ .

[bronco67]

It's another conservative boogeyman, among many others such as taxes, abortion, gays, immigrants and minorities. Jeb Bush will have tough time selling this positive message he talks about when the base is addicted to being scared by everything.

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

for years?

4 years, 4 months, 3 weeks and 6 days . That is how long war in Syria lasts.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Few years ago my good friend went to Iran. I 've said, wtf you are doing there, I was suspicious is that smart move. In short: people are polite, flying by airplane inside country is cheap, there are very nice places at sea where no one is bothering women for wearing bikinis, they don't like americans,that is true, most of people he met were educated and they live normal life. There are some specific rules there because of their religion and culture, but who cares, it's their country.

several years ago i was engaged to an iranian gal and traveled with her to Iran to meet her family. EVERYONE i met there was very kind to me and made sure to comment to me that their view of Americans is much different than their government's view of Americans.

it's funny, they all referred to their country as Persia. they did not want to be associated with Iran.

[dyna mo]

and more nuclear is better than less? just because the opposite is a double standard? please.

[RummyBoy]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I know exactly what Iran is, who they support, and what they've done behind the scenes. But when you compare them to the United States, it makes us look like monsters.

If only you go inside most intelligent people's brains, your illusions would be completely shattered.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

4 years, 4 months, 3 weeks and 6 days . That is how long war in Syria lasts.

sorry thought you were speaking specifically about ISIS

[Manfap]

Originally Posted by freecartoonporn

its their country, i dont care how they rule/operate it, is democracy there yet ?

It was until the US/UK got involved in the 1950's cause they wanted control of the oil.

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

sorry thought you were speaking specifically about ISIS

Hezbollah is fighting against ISIS and they helped Assad not to fall.

Situation is terrible. My city is full of refugees. But , what bothers me is that those are not real refugees. What I am seeing is that there are mostly young men, capable to fight. They have money and coming in thousands in Europe. Huge muslim migration that countries are ignoring (except Hungarians that did smartest move and raised fence)

[aka123]

Originally Posted by Manfap

It was until the US/UK got involved in the 1950's cause they wanted control of the oil.

Well, actually Iran was "involved" in WWI and in WWII. During WWII there was also forced change of ruler. And it was not democracy before or after that.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Manfap

It was until the US/UK got involved in the 1950's cause they wanted control of the oil.

heads-up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Russian_Entente

According to the Anglo-Russian agreement of 1907, Iran was divided into three zones-Russian, British and neutral.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

. But , what bothers me is that those are not real refugees. What I am seeing is that there are mostly young men, capable to fight.

being a man of fighting age during a conflict sucks ass...you have to understand that their options are not great: hezbollah or ISIS...in countries like those force recruitment is rampant...I understand their choice to run completely...

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

being a man of fighting age during a conflict sucks ass...you have to understand that their options are not great: hezbollah or ISIS...in countries like those force recruitment is rampant...I understand their choice to run completely...

Pa bas mi da ih primamo pored svih evropskih govnara koji su im i zakuvali sranje dole zajedno sa amerima. Ne verujem im nista, posle svega sta se desavalo.Pustati ih u sred evrope sa njihovom filozofijom nemoze dobro da se zavrsi. Nek idu u saudijsku arabiju,emirate ili maroko.

[JetBlack]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

sorry thought you were speaking specifically about ISIS

Given Isis is operated by Baathist former intelligence officials, and espouses a staunchly wahhabist worldview, one could argue that Iran was fighting Isis before long before they were Isis.

Also, Iran was moving troops to the Afghan border and was about to crush the Taliban before America stepped in. Arguably, they might have done a better job of it.

Iran could achieve detente with America. They have many interests and enemies in common, and could be traded with to counterbalance the Saudi grip on oil. But you only have to read ill informed political bullshit on internet forums such as these, to understand why not.

[klinton]

and since when Iran is supporter of ISIS ?
the biggest supporter of it is actually best ally of US in the Middle East - Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates...
I know that you say "like ISIS"...but the only group that is supported by Iran is Hezbollah....
and they are only interested in Palestinian struggle for better life

Originally Posted by kane

I'm not worried about Iran making a nuclear missile and shooting it at Isreal. They know that would be the end of them. I am worried about them making a nuclear bomb, giving it to a group like Isis and them exploding it somewhere.

[Manfap]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

heads-up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Russian_Entente

According to the Anglo-Russian agreement of 1907, Iran was divided into three zones-Russian, British and neutral.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_I..._d%27%C3%A9tat

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup, was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the United Kingdom (under the name "Operation Boot") and the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project)

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Manfap

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_I..._d%27%C3%A9tat

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup, was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the United Kingdom (under the name "Operation Boot") and the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project)

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`inset insults from DynaShit '

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Manfap

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_I..._d%27%C3%A9tat

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup, was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the United Kingdom (under the name "Operation Boot") and the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project)

i know that. that comes after world war 1 and the accord i took the time to include in my post, it certainly was not a democracy at that time.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

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`inset insults from DynaShit '

you dumbfuck, the other poster is adult enough to carry on an adult conversation, he doesn't pull the 3rd grader playground bully wannabe cocksucker bullshit you try to pull, especially over enjoyable topics such as history, which is often debatable.


but you're a dumbfuck cocksucker and the truly bizarre part about your dumbfuck cocksuckery is you choose to keep it up. i reached out to you and humbly offered an olive branch elsewhere. you kept going. i didn't do jack fucking shit in this thread, yet here you are doing a drive-by cocksuck.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you dumbfuck, the other poster is adult enough to carry on an adult conversation, he doesn't pull the 3rd grader playground bully wannabe cocksucker bullshit you try to pull, especially over enjoyable topics such as history, which is often debatable.


but you're a dumbfuck cocksucker and the truly bizarre part about your dumbfuck cocksuckery is you choose to keep it up. i reached out to you and humbly offered an olive branch elsewhere. you kept going. i didn't do jack fucking shit in this thread, yet here you are doing a drive-by cocksuck.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

umm, you just waxed over my adult reply to the adult poster i was conversing with to post this.

again, i humbly tried to make peace with you, never started any shit with you and your reaction to that is to continue to drive-by insult and think you checkmated me in some 3rd grader bully way.

that's the epitome of dumbfuck cocksuckery. you win, you truly are a dumbfuck cocksucker.