DNC is just as confused as RNC

[Sly]

Trump vs Sanders? Trump AND Sanders?

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MINNEAPOLIS ? The Democratic Party, whose presidential race has been mostly overshadowed by Donald Trump and the Republicans, heads into the fall with its nomination contest far less certain than it once appeared and braced for a series of events that will have a significant effect on Hillary Rodham Clinton?s campaign.

Clinton?s standing has been eroded both by her own shaky handling of the e-mail controversy and by the populist energy fueling the challenge of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). Her weakened position in the polls has stoked talk about a possible late entry from Vice President Biden, which could dramatically change the dynamic of the race.

A summer of Clinton stumbles gives way to an uncertain fall for Democrats - The Washington Post

[dyna mo]

it's only going to get worse for Hills too, Trump's got her in his sights now and is going after one her weakest links: huma abedin.

[j3rkules]

Get rid of the Clinton she and her husband have been in Washington too long ... corrupt and out of touch with average Americans.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Ben Carson is now just trailing Donald Trump by 5% in Iowa now ...

Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson has emerged as a leading Republican presidential candidate in Iowa and is closing in on frontrunner Donald Trump in the state that hosts the first 2016 nomination balloting contest.

The latest Bloomberg Politics/Des Moines Register Iowa Poll shows billionaire Trump with the support of 23 percent of likely Republican caucus participants, followed by Carson at 18 percent. When first and second choices are combined, Carson is tied with Trump.
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...test-iowa-poll

Care to explain that one ?

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Ben Carson is now just trailing Donald Trump by 5% in Iowa now ...



Care to explain that one ?

The only place were Iowa matters is... Iowa

[Barry-xlovecam]

I always thought of Hillary Clinton as a placeholder candidate anyway.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Ben Carson is now just trailing Donald Trump by 5% in Iowa now ...



Care to explain that one ?

i can try. he's not a politician. people are tired of politicians.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Businesses are lead by autocrats -- even public stock companies -- the shareholder can only proxy to management or challengers.

Have you ever been around surgeons and their subordinate personnel? The relationship is more like a fiefdom.

Why would these sort of people be qualified to run one of the most important nations in the world?

Even Ronald Reagan was the Governor of California (1967?75) he was ''schooled'' in the administration of a large governmental unit.

A leader of state has to know the workings of government to get things done -- the President is not elected in the USA as a dictator. The USA is a representative democracy, a republic not an autocracy.

If you think we have political deadlock now ... you are just asking for more with ''he is not a politician'' line. That leads nowhere in the end game and is most likely a nonstarter.

These fringe candidates can bring platform changes to their parties' conventions. Including the extremist socialism of Bernie Sanders and Republican Christian extremist candidates -- they are there to shape their respective party's platform and represent a segment of the voters wishes or demands. That is how the game works and the game has been going on for over 200 years in the USA and it's not going to change this year.

You can change some of the players of the game as you go but it is still the same game

[dyna mo]

Trump is clearly showing he is a game changer. Article after article on that. Throw the rule book out the window.

Besides, the entire premise behind our government is for people to not be entrenched in career politics.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by jerkules

Get rid of the Clinton she and her husband have been in Washington too long ... corrupt and out of touch with average Americans.

yes if the dem party is smart they broom her, fast. but they are even more retard than george w bush & thats no lie. they have an edge on ideas & media bias, should be dominating the federal government after the bush administration & 6 years of obama but they lost both houses of congress & are all-in on a possible felon. What a disgraceful political party, seriously.

all that matters in politics, is balls.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Trump is clearly showing he is a game changer. Article after article on that. Throw the rule book out the window.

Besides, the entire premise behind our government is for people to not be entrenched in career politics.

yes true the early pols were never full time at the job & never needed term limits while the federal govt had so little power. as it grew in power then it became a pork barrel for career pols.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

yes true the early pols were never full time at the job & never needed term limits while the federal govt had so little power. as it grew in power then it became a pork barrel for career pols.

Sounds like a state legislator. Most of them have normal day jobs or run businesses/practices.

[Robbie]

I would say the DNC needs some young blood.
Bill Clinton was young when he became President. So was Obama.

This year? Hillary? Bernie? And maybe Biden?

Three senior citizens are the representatives of the so-called "progressive" movement? The Dems need a younger person...a dark horse candidate. But time is running out for one to enter the race.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Trump is clearly showing he is a game changer. Article after article on that. Throw the rule book out the window.

Besides, the entire premise behind our government is for people to not be entrenched in career politics.

If you really believed that you would be working toward 4 or 5 political parties that would throw every Presidential election into the House of Representatives where the Founders had given a constitutional path to a real change of governance.

If each party had congressional representation with no majority the political parties would have to form coalition partners to rule -- this was a planned possible constitutional outcome.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

If you really believed that you would be working toward 4 or 5 political parties that would throw every Presidential election into the House of Representatives where the Founders had given a constitutional path to a real change of governance.

If each party had congressional representation with no majority the political parties would have to form coalition partners to rule -- this was a planned possible constitutional outcome.

of course i really believe that. while the polls may not mean much at this point, they are a barometer of the current view.

none of that has to do with the point that private sector citizens are supposed to donate their time, experience, strength and hope to our nation by running a political office for a term or 2, then get the fuck out and back to work in the private sector.

regardless of how many parties there are.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I would say the DNC needs some young blood.
Bill Clinton was young when he became President. So was Obama.

This year? Hillary? Bernie? And maybe Biden?

Three senior citizens are the representatives of the so-called "progressive" movement? The Dems need a younger person...a dark horse candidate. But time is running out for one to enter the race.

You are right -- their should be a constitutional amendment that the new ''fearless leader'' should not be collecting social security. Maybe, the Vice President should have no age limit as a President should be able to seek the wisest advisers regardless of age.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

of course i really believe that. while the polls may not mean much at this point, they are a barometer of the current view.

none of that has to do with the point that private sector citizens are supposed to donate their time, experience, strength and hope to our nation by running a political office for a term or 2, then get the fuck out and back to work in the private sector.

regardless of how many parties there are.

I don't have a problem with term limits in principle nor age limits for holding office.

Basically, when most people are 76 their minds start to go.

A senate term limit of 3 terms and a House member limited to 6 terms seems OK. I don't think that shorter time spans would really be beneficial. This would also shake up the Congressional leadership structure a lot.

You will never hear that campaign platform. It would probably take a second american revolution to happen.

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I would say the DNC needs some young blood.
Bill Clinton was young when he became President. So was Obama.

This year? Hillary? Bernie? And maybe Biden?

Three senior citizens are the representatives of the so-called "progressive" movement? The Dems need a younger person...a dark horse candidate. But time is running out for one to enter the race.

I support Hillary and think she'll win the nomination, but you're right about this.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

I support Hillary and think she'll win the nomination, but you're right about this.

I kinda feel like Hillary's time was 2008. But Obama came out of nowhere.

Now she sort of has that "yesterday's news" feel to her in my mind.
Biden? A disgraced 1988 candidate ran out of the election because of plagiarism and then a big time loser in the 2008 Democrat race for the nominee.

The only one of the 3 who doesn't feel like a failed former candidate is Sanders. And you can see the reaction in the polls and the crowds he is drawing.
But it sure would be nice if Sanders was 43 years old instead of 73 years old.

He will turn 74 on Sept.8th
He will be 75 when the general election happens.
So if he won and served two terms he would be 83 years old during his final year of the Presidency.

That's got to come into play in this election. If he gets much closer in the polls...Hillary is gonna turn her attention to him and things are gonna get dirty.

[GregE]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I kinda feel like Hillary's time was 2008. But Obama came out of nowhere.

Now she sort of has that "yesterday's news" feel to her in my mind.
Biden? A disgraced 1988 candidate ran out of the election because of plagiarism and then a big time loser in the 2008 Democrat race for the nominee.

The only one of the 3 who doesn't feel like a failed former candidate is Sanders. And you can see the reaction in the polls and the crowds he is drawing.
But it sure would be nice if Sanders was 43 years old instead of 73 years old.

He will turn 74 on Sept.8th
He will be 75 when the general election happens.
So if he won and served two terms he would be 83 years old during his final year of the Presidency.

That's got to come into play in this election. If he gets much closer in the polls...Hillary is gonna turn her attention to him and things are gonna get dirty.

Were Sanders to get into the White House, it would almost certainly be for only one term by choice. If he remained reasonably popular, Elizabeth Warren would then be a shoo-in come 2018.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by GregE

Were Sanders to get into the White House, it would almost certainly be for only one term by choice. If he remained reasonably popular, Elizabeth Warren would then be a shoo-in come 2018.

That would be an interesting scenario. Especially if he made Warren his Vice President. But I think you mean the election of 2020, not 2018.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Ben Carson is now just trailing Donald Trump by 5% in Iowa now ...



Care to explain that one ?

It's pretty simple. There are many in the republican party that are hardcore right wing conservative Christians. While Trump appeals to some of them because of his immigration and economic ideas, there are still those who would rather have someone they think is more Evangelical and for many of them Carson is that guy.

[Robbie]

Not only that but Carson, Trump, Fiorina, and Sanders all are thought of as "insurgents" in their party's.
None of them are "insiders". That seems to be a common thread.

Even though some so-called liberals on here like to refer to the Republican candidates followers as "old angry white men"...meanwhile they are in love with a guy who truly IS an "old angry white guy" : Bernie Sanders. lol

The hypocrisy is amazing.

But anyway, that seems to be the common thread in the polls.
People do NOT want another "business as usual" insider politician.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by jerkules

Get rid of the Clinton she and her husband have been in Washington too long ... corrupt and out of touch with average Americans.

You can argue that all politicians are out of touch with the average Americans. Most politicians in politics because they can afford it.

This is going to be a huge problem for Trump. He claims he wants to make America "rich" again, but he doesn't understand how the average American lives. If I understand correctly Trump was born with a silver spoon his mouth (he went to work for his daddy when he was 22), and he's never known what it's like to skip meals in order to afford a down payment (on a car you can't really afford).

Hillary too. Didn't I read a while back that she hasn't driven a car in over a decade? Once you reach that point you have no clue of how the average American lives.

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Even though some so-called liberals on here like to refer to the Republican candidates followers as "old angry white men"...meanwhile they are in love with a guy who truly IS an "old angry white guy" : Bernie Sanders. lol

The hypocrisy is amazing.

But anyway, that seems to be the common thread in the polls.
People do NOT want another "business as usual" insider politician.

Totally true. In reality, Bernie is a media candidate. He's had zero real work over done on him. If he were to get the nomination, which I doubt, he'd be taken apart. Trump is kind of "out there" already so he can't be worked over any worse than he has been, but still he has to do well with the center. Usually, moderates elect presidents.