They owe us money also. In the past they responded and always paid after a few emails.

Now they've stopped responding altogether.

Well, you can add FreeOnes to the thread. We have to stay on top of it, but we get paid however back in August Crystal stopped responding and well, here we are.

$xx,xxx and growing owed to us...

Ouch.. Seems we can all wave goodbye to our money.. Hope you all have pulled links

I wonder how much they spent (of our money) on their CES booth last week?

https://venturebeat.com/2018/01/15/n...h-a-porn-star/

There was supposed to be a class action taken against them by webmasters owed money around a year ago - I guess nothing came of that.

Shame they had to try and branch off into other areas off the backs of their partners. The signs are pretty clear to me, and the fact that anyone still pushes them does surprise me. I mean when not even Petra can get a reply in 5 months.

Pull links, Petra ...

owing more than $2k - after a final email two days ago and without a reply, I finally pulled links today

even if you pull links, you are still owed your rebills if you're on revshare, I can imagine in FreeOnes' case that could be substantial

Got a reply from Mike today. Will see

Same bs, wait for him to say he will "pass you on to Crystal" LMAO

Does anyone have membership access to Naughty America? I was thinking it would be a shame if their full videos end up on tubes. I have some grunt workers not doing anything at the moment :upsidedow

It seems like almost no one is getting paid now. Gotta wonder... where is our money going? At least before they seemed to pay affiliates in a ponzi scheme style method. Lol

It's obvious where the money is going. Here is how the scam works,

1. Get affiliates to drive customers to their site buying memberships.

2. Screw the affiliates

3. Use the money from screwing the affiliates to hire talent to shoot more scenes.

Rinse and repeat.

It's a perfect business model for scammers. They never spend a dime on of their "own money" as the affiliates money is the one that allows them to keep hiring talent to shoot more scenes and pay for production costs.

:disgust

I have received an email from: Joe Johnson / Accounting / Hronopoulos, Inc.

saying he will talk to Crystal to send me the money they owe me finally, in a few days.

So... well, I hope is true this time and is not like the Mike mails about contacting Crystal.

Will keep posted.

Thx

I have an account there but never promoted them. Still receive their emails with promo material.

They were la tourine inc or something like that. Good luck on updates. Yeah Mike emails don't mean much unless the money is sent.

Currently working on it. :disgust

This is a major issue with a few programs I've had to pull links for.... the rebills keep coming so what started as a couple hundred spiraled into a couple thousand. Times a lot for NA.

Update:

I have received two more mails from Joe Johnson (Accounting Hronopoulos, Inc.)
assuring me that Crystal will be sending me the payment.
Then a few more days passed. Until this moment no payment has arrived.

The good news is that now im getting a reply to the emails.
The bad news is that the $ has not been paid, yet. I still dont lose the hope.

Thats it.

What a mess ... Hope everyone gets paid.

Starting to give up. Mike?s email about being out of town seems odd and him saying they will catch up on the next cycle makes little hope. Will see. It rebuild but when u have to chase down payments it?s a lost effort.

I also got an email to be "added for the next round". But I won't add their sites anywhere again until I get my money.

It's a scam guys. Mike is playing the follow me with a carrot on a stick trick hoping you guys keep your links up so he can scam you more. The whole "out of town" is BS when he supposedly has his make believe whore "Crystal" in accounting. Now he has "Joe Johnson". Last year he had "Rob Johnson" I kid you not. Naughty America is a SCAM. The sooner you guys come to grips about it and pull your links, the better off you will be...

It seems you are right....


>Crystal will be sending your payment today. Thank you for getting back to me and >touching base on the payment.
>Kind regards,
>Joe Johnson

Sent four days ago. Still no payment.

I cant believe it. They looked like a serious company and always payed me,
when they were using latouraine or something like that. I considered them one
of the greats in the adult online industry.

Sad but true.

Update:

Today i have received an email from CRYSTAL and MIKE.

Saying me the payment was sent.

BUT... not via check or via paypal (thats the methods i asked for)

instead it was sent via WESTERN UNION...

they sent me a PDF proof of the western union.

THE PROBLEM for me is:

Im not in the USA, thats why i was asking for a check or paypal,

I have a USA address yes, but is simply a courier address, they just re-ship
all to me once a month. Now the western is going to that address and to my name.

What can i do? theres no way i can cash a western union sent there, right?

Thanks to all.

You might want to call your local Western Union at the number on the website. Give them the MTCN number that they gave you. Explain and that your id matches the name etc. Worth a try. Bizarre they would send it Western Union though.

do they have your bank account number? because then they just use Western Union to wire it to your bank account, that's what they did for me in the past year
you can send international wires with WU for a fraction of what banks charge

No, they dont.

They just have my mailing address (courier / checks)

and my paypal address, thats all.

Indeed. I think the same. Maybe calling a WU office to explain the situation can help.
I will give it a try.

Crystal's Witnesses

Would really like to get old good NA back on track. They produce really awesome content. We are owed $60k+ and I believe we can work it around as long as they shot great content.

I'm somewhat disheartened to see this thread. I just got into the adult webmaster game late last year and Naughty America was one of my highest converting programs.

Unfortunately now that its time to get paid out I see this thread. I'm in the same boat as many of you, weeks without a response from Crystal.

And on top of that my 'backup' program Pimproll just banned me.

Has the adult industry always been like this?

Did they give you the reason for the ban?

BUMP - I'm owed over $20,000 now.

Banned you for what?

We might be getting paid... Details to come.

Whenever I look at my Nifty Stats, which are constantly declining anyway, I subtract 25% from the total under the assumption that I ultimately wont get paid.

I've been an affiliate for a decade and I would say that the vr porn sponsors seem to be the worst. I suspect it's down to VR porn growth flatlining and not skyrocketing as everybody hoped for (or prayed for). There are still a handful of very good sponsors with excellent trustworthy affiliate support - like Badoink - but I don't think it can be a coincidence that some of the worst sponsors around at the moment for not paying or scamming are in the vr porn sphere.

BTW, I personally haven't had any problems at all with PimpRoll and consider them one of the best.

The thing with Naughty Revenue is I can't believe they are scammers, it's just perhaps utter mindblowing stupidity at the top. You have their CEO Ian Paul giving interviews every week to the mainstream press about how VR porn is the future, even being the only porn company to be allowed to showcase at the CES, they are shooting more new scenes each week than anyone, and yet they don't seem to have a clue that all this is worthless in the longrun without the support of affiliates, especially their VR porn affiliates. Even just hiring a part-time intern to help out Crystal with accounts or affiliate management might make the difference between Naughty Revenue being a billion dollar company in ten years time or going bankrupt in 5 years.

If you Google 'VR porn', Naughty America are nowhere to be seen (apart from being mentioned in the mainstream tech articles that appear in the rankings below the tube sites). They haven't been paying VRPorn.com, which is number 1 on Google, and likely to remain so there or thereabouts for years. What the hell is the point of spending tens of thousands of dollars on media campaigns when whoever organizing the affiliate side of things is so dense as not to understand the importance of at least keeping your biggest affiliates happy???

It's clearly not a manpower issue.

If it was, once they get to you, they would pay out the full amount owed.

But they're always paying out only smaller fractions. (Unless they only owe you a few hundred dollars to begin with.)

Why did they ban you?
99% are ok - but there are always people who think they are "smarter".

Pimproll has been solid for me, no problems.

I was able to speak with Glen and get things sorted out reasonably quickly. It ended up being a misunderstanding.

I agree with many of the other comments here. Besides this relatively minor blip Pimproll has been fairly solid for me as well. And has been converting very well.

I too have a hard time believing a well-known company like Naughty America is trying to scam users, but it seems like there is something fishy going on. Hopefully some of you bigger guys can get paid out! I'd be going nuts if I was owed $60k!

Glad you were able to work it out with Glen. Pimproll has been rock solid since the start.

I know someone who's owed even more, seems it's better that they owe you a couple hundred bucks, they seem to pay out those after months of trying :Oh crap