Bind it on Credit Card print and / or customer number. Should be way enough and efficient

Absolutely! :thumbsup

They're already doing it. We've established that they already have mechanisms to group by users: the last column in the stats is the unique user identifier.

In addition, we'd still need to remove the links and banners which are in no way related to affiliate marketing because they don't drive traffic to the destination site. But I have a feeling this will be considered unreasonable...

Time to create an union

Can you shed some light on the unique user identifier, drexl?

Is it something that is tied to one machine, like a mac adress? - What if a user decides to clear cookies and register under a new affiliate link? Will he still be with the same user identifier? If not, what's the point of the unique user identifier?

I think that the user indentifier will change when they clear cookies and make a new registration.


CB should run a database query to see wich CC/paymentdata are registered under a new account and put that back to their first registration affid, then we get our spenders back.

I think these models they trying to attract guest users.They can't take already registered users.

Only if they coming with a better offer for tokens than Chaturbate.

If the cookies run out (after 30 days), wouldn't that user register under her link with her cookie?

Yeah .. same here .. strange it redirects from the stats page to cb homepage ..

The data used to produce your stats comes from the backend. The cookies are only used to bind a username to an affiliate, after that it is in the db.

If you look at your stats you see this:
Timestamp User ID Purchase Amount Commission Track Signup Date Country User UID


Column #2 is an ID that has a 1-1 relationship with a username, thus it will change for each username. Column #8 is User UID (User Unique ID) and is a 1-n relationship with usernames (1 user can have many usernames)

For example your user could have a username webmasterxxx with User ID = 12345678 who has a User UID of ABCDEFG.
When that user is stolen, in the backend it will show like username cc_newusername with user ID = 777777 and User UID = ABCDEFG

12345678 shows up in YOUR stats, 777777 shows up in "who you know"'s stats. Both are the same user (same UUID).

They do have the data, they just need to change the binding to an affiliate from username to user, and this would solve part of the "stealing"

https://sexcamz.chaturbate.com/caylin/ Top right hand corner.

Very interesting. Thanks for writing this up!
So basically they have the everything, they just fail to implement it or don't want to implement it. The question then is, why did they even implement a UID? I mean it must be there for something. It seems to be fairly new as well, because i remember i didn't see the UID a couple of months ago.

Maybe they already have something in the works? Well, it would be better to inform the affiliates here so we would atleast stop complaining :1orglaugh

Can't edit my last post anymore - Do you also think its possible to specifically ask for information about a UID from the CB Support?

Like, if i email them with some UID's and ask them if they can check if they have registered under a different cookie, do you think they will provide information like this?

Where did u get this information from?

As far as I know, clearing cache and making a new account will change the UID. Impossible to bind it to multiple username.

Stats page is still redirecting to main page about every other time checking stats. I haven't done enough digging to know if this is redirecting to the main page via an affiliate link. Sure hope they didn't get hacked and malware put on their back end.

Wish they had rep here that would look into things, besides Punker every other month.

"Stats page is still redirecting to main page about every other time checking stats. "
yes,me too

If not shown in the stats it would have always been there in the backend. As a convention, relational databases use an integer to uniquely identify an entity.

One reason why they'd show ID instead of USERNAME in the stats is because they don't want affiliates (webmasters or broadcasters) to know usernames, they just want you to see anonymous transactions. It makes sense.


I can't say for sure but my guess is they won't give you that information.


I am a computer professional and I use common sense to demonstrate the point:
if they were oblivious to that information you could create new usernames by the hundreds and make money using their PPL program ($1 per signup). But you can't do that, they will spot you because like any serious business they have mechanisms in place. And that's even before you enter any credit card details.

Let's be precise with the definition so we're sure to talk about the same thing. You must be talking about the ID (User ID - column 2), which is different for each username/account. UID (User Unique ID - column 8) however is unique per user/person.

Clearing cookies and making a new account will change the ID, but it is my assessment that the UID will remain the same.

If you think about it, their fraud and abuse department must need this information. They don't want fraudsters or abusive customers to re-spawn by just creating a new username.


This is also useful for their marketing department so they can see the flow.


Let's see a few scenarios for illustration purposes:

#1 user first account
(ID:123456;UID:abcdef;USERNAME:bob;AFFILIATE_ID:xx x)

#2 user clears cookies, and creates a new account
(ID: 333427;UID:abcdef;USERNAME:cc_bob;AFFILIATE_ID:yyy )

=> user abcdef was originally referred by xxx but now yyy makes the $$
=> only ID and UID are shown to the affiliate, the other records are obviously in the db but not displayed in our dashboard.

Happens here also.

Check the "affkey" cookie... you must have the development tools open (F12) before you click on the stats.

I get

Well I beg to differ. For 2 reasons:
1/ They don't ban people from PPL based on this mechanism. They stop paying people PPL BEFORE first payment if no lead as converted in a paid user - OR if the PPL they must pay to the affiliate is superior to their own earnings (hear 30% of the amount spent by users reffered by that affiliate). That is the exact same mechanism that CrakRevenues uses with the MyFreeCams PPL program.

2/ I have actual proof, from 2 different CB accounts (one is mine and another is a partner), that 2 very shady story happened and that the UID were indeed different, yet the same person. I'll just talk about my experience:

Note: At that time (2019), I was generating unique tracker for every link I was posting, up to 300,000 different trackers to this day. A link would be visible only for a few days.

So in July 2019, I note that I have those 6 accounts that signed up under the exact same tracked link. A record definitely. More over, those 6 accounts are all from Austria (Never had an Austrian spender before).
Signup date: July 03rd, 23th, 26x3 and 27th. First warning. How come they sign up more than 20 days after the link posting? Definitely a red flag. My supposition: 1 person is stuck with my cookie for 30 days, and is making new accounts.

Now they spend a total of $3036 accross all accounts.
Account1: $2414 from July 7th to december 7th
Account2: $195 from July 23rd to March 10th
Account3: $122 from July 26th to September 09th
Account4: $42 on July 26th
Account5: $133 from July 26th to November 24th
Account6: $154 from July 27th to September 8th

Now this could all be a big coincidence right? Who cares, I'm raking comissions.

Now comes the chargeback. They ALL have chargedback money. Not the full amount, a total of $1555.
Account1: -$1308
Account2: -$61
Account3: -$32
Account4: -$21
Account5: -$92
Account6: -$40

Now you tell me what are the odds that:
- 6 people who sign up from the same tracker out of 300,000 trackers
- Who are all from the same small Austrian country
- Who spends regularely over the same period of time
- Who all do a chargeback around the same days
are different people?

To the conclusion: All those people have different UniqueID, but I'm pretty certain it's the same guy.

You make interesting points.

Although not a conclusive demonstration, I agree with you that this looks like the same guy and let's assume that it is.

I also assume from what you are saying that those 6 accounts have 6 different User IDs AND 6 different User UIDs, right? (these are 2 different columns).
=>Can you please confirm.

My explanation is making a generalization in an attempt to find out how the system works, I am not taking into account every edge cases obviously, that would be pointless and distracting. What I am trying to find out is if cb has a way to group transactions by user rather than just by usernames/accounts. UUID seems to fit the bill.

I could be wrong, as I am not a chaturbate employee I can only speculate based on my observations and experiences.

Fair enough, I agree I picked the wrong example. It doesn't proof or disproof that they can identify a user though. They can have other mechanisms.

In your opinion what is the difference between UID and UUID?
Can you confirm your example #2 shows 6 different User UID (UUID)?
Do you think Chaturbate has no way to group transactions by users as well as usernames?

I am no sure what is the difference or why they started using it.
I can confirm that it is 6 different UUID and 6 different UID. And that's the same case on my partner account. Same behavior with 4 accounts from the netherlands (tracking, Signup date, spending dates, yet no chargeback)

To me it seems that investigation time > whats in it for them. We're talking about a company that makes multi-millions dollars a day. The fact that XX whale or XX whale moved from an affiliate to another is peanut to them.

I doubt they would investigate unless it's a very big whale (>$50K spending)

Only if they changing the email adress.You cant sign up twice with the same email.

That's interesting. Maybe that is an edge case where the user is good at privacy thus fooling the system.
Having a UID and a UUID changing for each account would seem redundant.

We'd need to test ourselves to move forward with this discussion.

On the 230k transaction sitting in my database, there is not a single time where a UUID is associated with 2 Distinct UID. Furthermore, the example I shared from the austrian guy proved that he still has the cookie saved on his computer thats why all accounts felt under me. He was not smart, just disconnected and created new accounts. Same cookie, hence same tracker and all. But differrent UUID

This doesn't prove nor disprove the original point. Maybe there's no transactions pertaining to a broadcaster who steals customers in your db. Your data is merely a subset, I can't talk about it I don't have access to it.

Bringing up the austrian anecdote is interesting but still merely anecdotal. Furthermore there are many unknown: what if the guy used different payment methods and the UUID was based on that?

Like I said: it makes sense that there is a unique identifier per user.
I'd be interested in testing that myself if it didn't involve paying transactions.

The redirect from the stats page to the main page is annoying as hell and should not happen. Some people work on their stats while at home while there's people around.

I have not seen the redirect from the stats page.

There is the situation that when you log out it returns you to the main site login page so if you do not go back to the affiliate url and login then you are on the main page.

Login at https://chaturbate.com/auth/login/?n...iliates/stats/

When you logout you are at https://chaturbate.com/auth/login/ which if you use for login takes you to the main page.

But, that has always been that way so I don't think that is what you are talking about.

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Yeah, that's not what's happening. I hit the stats page dozens of times a day, every day. The last 3 or 4 days, after putting in my username/pass in the stats page, when I click "submit", instead of showing my stats, it will redirect me to the main cam page. When I go back to the stats page and try to enter again, it will work. It only does this every once every 4th or 5th attempt, but its gotten really annoying. I generally do not logout of the stats after viewing them, I simply move on to a different site or let the stats page time out.

I'm getting the same redirect as you. Like you said it's pretty annoying because most of the time my son is around me..

I´m searching for an option to use chaturbate XML feed for embeds for my whitelabel.
I´m running wl on subdomain and want to use the xml feed for embeds.
Doable ? If yes, how ?

Hello, I am sending 50-100 uniques per day and nobody even getting account on Chaturbate.
I am sending with a href link. What am I doing wrong? Maybe direct link is not best tool to monetize it?

What is your niche and traffic source?

Had the most profitable 2 week pay period on Chaturbate and Stripcash. That's after losing 4,000 visitors a day from that Google update.:pimp

That's great to hear!

For me, it was the worst period ever LOL - I hope i never have to endure such a terrible period again

Just looked for the first time today to my stats on CB (again with wrong redirects that's still not fixed) and i noticed that it's still period may 1-15 but the daily payout request and total amount of earnings are gone. Here it's 16 mins before the period ends, never seen that before...

https://imgur.com/Wqt9A1Q

Me too and I can relate I wanna check those stats and tittys up in my face, it wouldn't be bad if a 12 year old foster son didn't sneak up on me

Last period was pretty bad overall.

This period seems to be starting off better. Trying to get some new whales on my site since my main spender disappeared after 3 years.

Started few new sites at the start of this coronavirus. Working like a maniac to add new content and promote it, to take advantage of the situation. Hope we all do great.

I'm checking out Chaturbate Statistics Enhancer - Top 10 are doing good. Would be nice to reach 5k+ a month off CB.

The beginning of this cornavirus shit was looking gloom and doom. Now people are spending like crazy on my account. I hit 7,500 in earnings the last 30 days.

Maybe some of my luck will rub off on you. I wish you good luck!
:thumbsup

Wow good work bro! #motivation @MattGFY

How many spenders do you have total? And how many websites do you run?

I'm trying to build as many possible sites since human behavior and social interaction will forever be changed to a certain % even after the entire world reopens leading to more people seeking out live entertainment. This is an extinction level even for many companies and a huge internet boom for us and cams.

I see increase of people broadcasting on my whitelabel right now too ;-)

That's been my experience also. Mid March when quarantaining began, I noticed an uptick on spending and it kept increasing as the lockdown continued. Matt, based on those earnings, are you #1 on the top ten affiliates on the CB Stats Enhancer site? I'm usually right around #5.