Shedevils

Yep they don't convert as well.

This is a huge customer quality issue for Chaturbate and they should be coming down on it with an iron fist.

The rooms being displayed as top rooms ARE NOT in any way Chaturbate's stars or real money makers, they are just broadcasters who are shamelessly gaming the system.

I was just inserting a cam embed and low and behold it is mykinkydope being shown as embed top chat room. Sometimes the top embed is just an empty room that is only there due to bots.

I firmly believe that there has to be technical barriers to prevent the botting and affiliate theft by performers. If there is a hole it will be exploited and even rationalized as acceptable. Reading the posts over at ambercutie has had my head spinning...

seriouslee

Chaturbate is dying a slow death. Every day well converting rooms are getting pushed out of sight by bot boosted rooms. You don't see it upon first sight but when you open the rooms and stay in them for a while, the number of rooms where the girls are mostly occupid with their phones and not caring one bit about any kind of interaction is staggering. And they don't have to, they have their bot users keeping them on the front page and they will make their 500 to 1,000 tokens per day, which is probably enough for them but way too less for the exposure that they get and of course these rooms are impossible to market.

megafapper

Good rooms pushed out not only by bot promoted rooms, but also using some bot denoting technics.
CB has basic anticheat system and this system can be used for pushing out good models from the first lines.
If some stupid bots come to the room (as example 300-500 fake viewers from the same ip, or from the server only network like ovh) room receive some kind of "shadow ban" / "blackmark". And after that room can not have more than specified amount of viewers (disconnect from chat of random users).
And this denoting is used a lot last few months.

So cb cheater-models cheat everyone: cb, other models and webmasters.

PornGrowsOnTrees

https://chaturbate.com/lulacum69/ - Ton of stuff going on there. Usually don't look too often but she has like 7 banners and even one on the bottom lol.

Not only that her bio has -

"If you like me, and wanna make free gift, please USE THIS referral link for registration. You may stylize your username as K_(username) to join special Kitty_members".
You will warm my Kitty when I see your name in the chat."


Pretty sure this is against TOS (terms of service).

drexl

Of course, and this can also be done manually as a short term solution.
I have also requested a feature for affiliates to ban / blacklist performers for these reasons. After all they can ban whitelabels from their settings.

You mean these banners? This was expected, now they're all gonna do it.

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drexl

Can anyone tell me how one becomes a room moderator?

What connections/relationships are there between mods and chaturbate?

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seriouslee

It is not explained anywhere in the performer agreement what promotional tools cb gives webmasters. We have an option "appear on networks sites" in our privacy settings, default setting is "yes". That's it. Now you have girls "I wanna make 100 dollars for a holiday", studio girls, girls with no English knowledge etc. The result is a mess of course.

DMCA's can be sent, because it is not always easy to differentiate between cb affiliates and pirate sites, you would have to look into the source of the website. Too complicated for many girls, studio managers, dmca companies etc. Also when a girl changes the setting to "No" after having broadcasted for a while with "yes" the promo pictures, videos etc. do not disappear, cb does not send a "signal", that performer xy has now opted out.
Search machines are basically full of pirate sites, three big piracy networks are in the center of it, one webmaster of these, securom, is even a member here.

seriouslee

They are normal users. A performer can click on the name of any user and make him moderator. Mostly they are regulars of the girls or they are from "I wanna help a girl" (in order to get a free show) gang, that go from room to room of new girls.

seriouslee

Hard to understand how things like this can go unnoticed. All it would take is one guy from cb support, who just clicks through rooms on the front page and gives these rooms AND the list of users in the room a sanity check. I will just guess that this room is a front page room too. A girl with 10 viewers will hardly do these things.
CB is a big, big site but it seems to run on auto pilot mostly. It's like leaving the room to your house open and just put a sign in front of it "Please don't rob me". But right now they are getting robbed and webmasters and the majority of performers too for the personal gain of some persons or studios.

megafapper

Mila_ and Livecleo slightly moved their banners but it still over the main header links. And all these banner moved exactly to the same position (pixel by pixel). so I think pages of both models are edited by one person. And two these cheaters work together.

I think CB has some kind of white list of the models who can do anything on the site and they will not get any warnings or bans. I don't know maybe its some personal relations with EU CB support... But situation is really strange right now, especially how CB bans other models - ban first practice.

Holy Damage

I think we deserve at least a word from Steve...

drexl

Thanks

Agreed 100%

No need to go into the source code surely models can see the difference between a live feed (promo tool) and a recorded show posted on a tube (dmca risk).
Besides, as discussed here, models are also affiliates nowadays, they know how things work. So once more this illustrates one of the numerous conflicts of interests, killing the competition by any means. Some will think "yes so what" until it happens to them ofc.

As per the pirates it should be easy to trace them back with their affiliate IDs but that would require work...

What you are saying is very insightful and interesting

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bigPunk

I have a question. After reading this entire thread, if I want to promote a cam site do you still recommend chaturbate? Are there any other decent converting alternatives?
Thanks!

megafapper

One more over boted room
chaturbate.com/realtoxxxmaria/
more than 800 viewers in less than 5 minutes more than 1600 in less than 15 minutes.

megafapper

chaturbate.com/mykinkydope/ is up and the same auto generated dumb names are still there...
I think these 2 rooms will be on the first places for a few hours from now with almost zero conversion

seriouslee

You overestimate the knowledge of the group "models". "Models" are a wild mix of complete amateurs camming with their built in webcam to make a few bucks extra, girls put there by studios, girls with barely any English knowledge and combinations of it. The number of girls who REALLY know about all of these things is very likely very, very small.

megafapper

Mila_ Realtoxxxmaria Mykinkydope is half of the first 6 places that used in rotation inside the top room codes. So more than 80% of shows is cheating rooms

seriouslee

felicity_yours (I'm not allowed to post links yet)

"please create a NEW chaturbate account for me..."

The list will be loooong.

Brian mike

Is there a way for Webmaster to up-out to promote any studio models ?

How can we find out who work with studio and who work independent ?

My guess is STUDIO is a Huge Problem for affiliates i can be wrong but Like i said many time earlier
a lots of Webmaster/ Studio/ and model have up their game to the extreme " Right on your face Suckasss " with no thank you

seriouslee

Not that I know of.

Mykinkydope finished her three hour run on the top spot (embedded on many affiliate sites). The top room before here finished their broadcast with the incredible amount of around 2,500 tokens earned. The TOP rooms of chaturbate that get heavily marketed.

That can't work, it's bad for the existing users (they barely spend money in these rooms), it's bad to win new sign ups and it's bad for the better converting performers.

Chaturbate has been hijacked by a bunch of performers and studios, who have put new girls on the site every day and continue to do so. Who wouldn't?

Brian mike

Any one have an idea about those guys https://divatraffic.com/

Automatically receive traffic
Boost my cam
Automatically start and stop traffic
Max visitors in room limit
Free tokens each month
Bonus on token purchases

wonder if they are using this kind of service.

seriouslee

If what they state is correct, traffic from divatraffic would be guest users, on cb called anonymous viewers much like the anonymous viewers from embedded cb rooms on other websites. These do not change room position on chaturbate. Bots are registered but non human user accounts, these determine the position of the room and therefore the cb user traffic.
The bot nets we see now clearly belong to some studios, mainly Eastern European studios or are in control of them plus "private" bot nets used by single performers like mykinkydope.

Having read at ambercutie someone stated that Streamate used to have a quality problem too a while back and fixed it (don't know how though). Eastern European performers get a lower payout there, because of too many cases of fraud and user complaints for that region. Changing payout however could even be counterproductive on cb, just create more bot accounts then.

drexl

Streamate requires a credit card for free registration.

Chaturbate developers can configure the captcha to be more secure: https://developers.google.com/recaptcha/docs/settings

Ultimately, like other problems, it all boils down to: does chaturbate want to fix this. I can think of reasons like: what if it's someone's objectives to maintain a certain amount of sign ups, one's objectives can vary depending on management and role (account manager vs marketing vs engineer).
And what if those bots click the banners? then why would cb get id of them.

This is all speculation, that's all we have. I reported a similar issue to another sponsor with a more interactive support after I recognized a pattern in the usernames being created on my whitelabels (cleary bots) and they didn't care. (maybe it is a success figure for account managers: my affiliates create x registrations / month)

EDIT:
Ultimately I think only monitoring can work because the captcha can be bypassed by using humans to create accounts (it's easy to outsource mass workforce), by the way I just remembered cb has a PPL program, surely they have some sort of security in place to prevent this from happening. This is a huge concern too. Anyone?

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Brian mike

Thats Funny BOTS traffic company getting AWARD

seriouslee

I'm not sure if cb is even aware of it. We're mostly talking about the top top rooms and in even these there are things going on that clearly violate cb's TOS but only when someone of us reports it after several days something is done. What is happening in the rooms not in the front row but still on page 1 or 2 is just as wild. If these rooms would be well converting, this wouldn't even be a concern but they are NOT well converting at all.
I don't think cb has even one support person who opens rooms and checks them if cb's rules are violated or not. All they seem to do is point at their TOS and say (or think) "Our performers agreed to our TOS, so we will just assume they will not do anything that violates the TOS. No checks necessary." It really is like going on holiday, leave your door open and put a sign there: "I'm away for two weeks, don't rob me, because it's forbidden."
Links to manyvids are against cb's rules. Open siswet19's profile...(just one example of hundreds)

megafapper

Main problem of this situation is referral system, and that referral tokens can be used for changing position of the model.
If the fake user have to confirm own account, by providing documents or valid bank account, or something like that that the bot net owner can't create an unlimited amount of it. It can help. But any other thing - doesn't.

Maybe one thing can help also. Gathering statistical data and analyse it with some deep learning/neural networking software. Activity of any bots totally different from the real users, so bots will be seen with 99% accuracy. Yes it can be done on third side (webmaster as example), but modern fast server with a lot of memory is required and also continuous multithreading scraping of chaturbate is required also. I think doing this on webmaster side is stupid, because chaturbate has all resources for doing that and has all needed statistics.

megafapper

Today the most boted day during last month
All bot promoted rooms are up, and they are using more smart bots so finding the fake viewers almost impossible without software.
Its sad

moniq1000

I used divatraffic.com, they use fake traffic so Bots for CB unless do not help in ranking

AllAboutCams

Mine is back to terrible

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megafapper

I have a few conversations with the models by PMs and emails and now I'm sure in 90% that someone in the CB support is covering all these fake viewers boosted rooms.
Or maybe its a personal project of one CB employee.

And I don't know how to fight in this situation

Shoplifter

It feels as we have recently reached a tipping point in regards to the situation being out of control for affiliates. There is just no way to compete with or adapt to industrial scale manipulation and cheating, and that has certainly become reflected in revenues.

cbarnaby

Many awards events are as cheap as diamonds (yes, diamonds should be cheap, look it up on google). I know models who get awarded for 'BEST something...', when they are not even mediocre models. I do not know if they suck the right cock or if they have a good sponsor who pays good money to that event owner, but this is the reality. I don't trust those awards events at all, and neither should you, as their criteria of awarding models are very fishy.

cbarnaby

Chaturbate don't want to stop the theft, it is obvious. If they had wanted to, their actions would have reflected that. They let you boil here, and they don't care. What a lack of respect for their webmasters and what a despicable behavior!

moniq1000

another fake traffic generator extra for CB traffic-bots.com/chaturbate-top-bot/ but more expensive plan from $500 some scammer guys from Romania

megafapper

I think owners of CB don't know about this problem. And if some CB support guy or someone similar decided to make money and create the own side project than he will care about this problem, but not to our side He will do everything that his project still has success.

seriouslee

Not impossible but my general impression is that their support seems to be completely understaffed. They act but only after several mails, reminders, reminders of the reminders etc. And this quality problem that is definitely there now and we all feel didn't come over night, it was a slow but steady process.

seriouslee

Right now the best and only option for us is to send mails to cb support and/or cb persons you might know directly, make them aware of the bot caused quality problem on chaturbate and the banners asking to make new accounts with the models affiliate links.

So please everyone do this and send reminders over reminders.

megafapper

I ask to do this everyone who affected by this problem, but usually after 2-3 reports everyone stop to do this. Because any hope can go away if cb support just don't answer.

drexl

When is the next webmaster conference, maybe we can catch up with someone in person.

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seriouslee

Send reminders and reminders and reminders. We all have a common interest, a good quality chaturbate site and right now chaturbate has been taken over and is getting robbed by a bunch of studios and performers who do their thing at the expense of us AND even chaturbate too.

PornGrowsOnTrees

Hey, Does anyone know the exact desktop css codes for the regular main whitelabel so you can add a top banner and footer banners like cb main has? I tried adding my css banner code and it keeps coming back with all sorts of errors no matter what code I use.

moniq1000

she was offline over 2 hours, but CB still keep on the first page with ower 6K bots traffic

seriouslee

I can see the dilemma chaturbate is in. They let this happen, these bot boosted low quality rooms are now "popular", because they've been doing it for quite long now, very likely unnoticed by cb. They might realize now they have been robbed and hijacked by studios with many performers and "successful" single performers. For users "their" girls are holy beings, they will be mad at cb if cb bans all these cheaters and definitely NOT at the girls or studios.

However not doing anything will not make cb's situation better, it will only get worse. Yesterday a faceless non nude "legs only" model made it to to the front row. There's no limit anymore, the size of the bot army decides room placement now.

megafapper

The main problem is not the guest viewers, but the registered viewers (about 300 as I see on the screenshot)
This model use the same bot net with the same behavior (rotating advertising video for a long time, etc.) that heatherbby9 realtoxxxmaria and others.

megafapper

No! Only ban can help, but ban with ability to re-register with new name with lost of all followers. And only for few TOP botters with total publicity in the chaturbate blog, twitter etc.
1.5 year ago only bans of top botters helped to stop plague. A few rooms that used bots a lot also had a big amount of followers but they were banned. But that time they were from Eastern Europe. Right now top cheaters from the Western Europe (mainly from the Spain). So if CB doesn't ban now than it looks like some kind of discrimination of models from EE.

I want to point that I talk only about top botted rooms. It must be example for others, like low quality EE rooms.

megafapper

chaturbate.com/mila_/ and chaturbate.com/livecleo/
Still didn't change banner position
Writing to the support is USELESS!
Some models are untouchable!

megafapper

Today the most weirdest day during last days.
Empty siswet room more than 90% of time and is sticked at the first place.


Siswet does a good shows, but empty room does not convert at all
I thing all bots clean own activity on this room. So bots are still there.

megafapper

More than one hour empty room on the first place....


Situation is totally stupid...

Holy Damage

megafapper

Right now is everything ok, but more than 1 hour was an empty room on the first place!
Empty room == zero convertion