Star Wars VII, a complete rip off of Star Wars IV in 1977.

[LovinNothin]

****CONTAINS SPOILERS****

I can't believe true Star Wars fans like this movie. Almost every other scene premise was lifted from Star Wars IV, the original in 1977.

Is the public so desperate in wanting a great Star Wars movie that they are willing to look the other way when the know they are being fed the exact same movie they already saw in 1977? The producers, writers and director have the entire galaxy to explore and create new stories and all they came up with are copied premises from Star Wars IV? I so wanted to enjoy this new release, but the moment that pilot placed the "secret information" into the droid BB8, I knew right then and there this film was in trouble. Yes, the film had it's moments, but the stolen and repeated premises from past films outweighed the original moments.

What a waste of production all due to the ego of the writers, producers and the director who all think the movie audience is stupid and will accept anything they create or copy.

Here are the scenes and premises directly plagiarized:

1) The main planet Jakuu, is identical to Tatooine in SW IV and SW I, same moisture farms and overall look.

2) Pilot puts secret info in the droid (BB8) and the "New Order" is looking for it. Taken from SW IV, when Leia puts info in R2D2 and the Empire is looking for it.

3) When Rey meets BB8 in Jakuu desert, the conversation of "Go away, don't follow me, go that way" is the same conversation C3PO and R2D2 had when landed on Tatooine's desert.

4) Yet another bar scene full of aliens, similar to SW IV famous bar scene and already repeated in SW II.

5) Rey picks up light saber in basement of bar and visits the Dark Side, similar to Luke entering the underground tree area in SW V, when Yoda told him the Dark Side of the Force is strong there.

6) Keeping BB8 safe and trying to smuggle him off the planet, same premise in SW IV, getting the droids off the planet.

7) BB8 uses 3D projection to show the secret plans he's carrying, identical scene in SW IV, where R2D2 projects Leia talking about the plans inside the the R2 unit.

8) The Falcon is flying inside the tight area inside the wrecked Star Destroyer, similarly done in SW VI, flying thru the 2nd Death Star.

9) Finn shoots down the TIE fighters in the same fashion as Luke did, a nervous newbee, in SW IV.

10) New Order captures Rey and now good guys have to rescue her. Exact same premise in SW IV with Princess Leia.

11) Note: Darth Vader wears the mask so he can breath, but why does Kylo Ren wear a mask when he can easily take it off? A fashion statement?

12) New Order (The old Empire) has yet ANOTHER Death Star. Aren't there any new weapons in the galaxy that can stand up to a dozen X-wing fighters? Same premise in SW IV and in SW VI. Enough Death Stars!

13) Rey running thru the Death Star corridors and is stopped short by deep internal chasm, similar to Luke and Leia before they swing across it.

14) Rey has to turn off force field, similar to Ben Kenobi turning off tractor beams so Falcon can escape.

15) The whole "father and son" routine was already done in SW V. Now it's Han Solo's turn for a father/son conflict? Hideous and shameless writing.

16) Opinion: Han Solo's death was 100% meaningless. Killed arbitrarily by his son, for what seems to be non disclosed emotional reasons because Han is not a Jedi and no threat to his son. Is this the way an iconic Han Solo exits? "Hey son, come with me and be good again... No! Boom, your dead." That's it? Han should've died sacrificing his life saving people, saving Chewy or the Leia, something noble and worthy of his death. But getting wiped out by his snot nosed kid? That wouldn't happen to the real Han Solo.

17) Rebels flying down the trenches of the new Death Star (planet) with the same laser turrets firing at them. Exact scenes in SW IV.

18) Repeat of the same huge explosion at the end of the movie, already done in SW IV and SW VI. Writers can't figure out how to end a movie without an explosion.

19) When news of Han dying reaches Leia, she barely sheds a tear. Almost no reaction to losing the love of her life.

20) Luke Skywalker didn't speak in the film and was on camera for about 12 seconds, yet he is 2nd in the film's credits? False advertising.

Star Wars VII is the biggest unoriginal film in the series. The acting and effects are top notch, but where is the original story? The producers have access to the best writers in the industry and all they can come with are story lines stolen from previous Star Wars movies? The fans don't need an homage to Star Wars IV, we want a brand new Star Wars film. Yes, combine the old with the new, but is it too much to ask to have a new story, other than, "these aren't the droids we're looking for?" I weep for the fans that have been royally screwed over. They think Jar Jar Binks was bad? But at least Lucas gave us original episodes, unlike this un original film geared directly at 9 year olds that can't remember the story from Star Wars IV.

Shame on the creators of this film for destroying a phenomenal franchise and turning out a film slapped together from stolen pieces of prior films.

It's worse than cannibalism. It's more like a cannibal eating himself and the audience buying a ticket to witness it.

"A film needs more than just special effects, it's needs a story." -George Lucas

Most kids from 5 to 12, won't really remember the story lines in Star Wars IV, but for everybody else, it's a huge disappointment these writers couldn't come up with ANYTHING ORIGINAL that moved the story forward in a new and exciting direction. This movie was just one simple start up, but we didn't need a start up, we already have 6 prior films!!! Bring on the goods!!! Bring on the new stories!!!! There was a million ways they could've gone and didn't go anywhere. I think when the dust settles of all the glam and excitement, the truth will come out and this film will be chalked up as the biggest Star Wars failures. BTW, I am an original Star Wars fan from 1977 and this plagiarized film broke my heart. It's a corporate "play is safe" and "make what sells" production, not an original and exciting science fiction film.

[Darkcrni]

What can i say.....i watch is 24h ago and i thing it's real sht!

Maybe today kids will like it, but am i real star wars fan!

[Sam - Mr. Skin]

I saw it last night and I must agree wholeheartedly. Bummer!

[iSpyCams]

Oh come on, it's a franchise that is nearly 40 years old and has 7 installments and 100s of books, a dozen or so video game spinoffs and several TV series, and you want to criticize part 7 (!!!) for being formulaic and repetitive?

What were you hoping for?

[Sam - Mr. Skin]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Oh come on, it's a franchise that is nearly 40 years old and has 7 installments and 100s of books, a dozen or so video game spinoffs and several TV series, and you want to criticize part 7 (!!!) for being formulaic and repetitive?

What were you hoping for?

It could've easily been a fresh story and still included the same characters. Books exist that he could've followed. It's not that hard.

[MaDalton]

i still really enjoyed it but i am no hardcore nerd that lives and breathes that stuff

[XMaster]

Originally Posted by LovinNothin

****CONTAINS SPOILERS****


11) Note: Darth Vader wears the mask so he can breath, but why does Kylo Ren wear a mask when he can easily take it off? A fashion statement?

Maybe for the same reason stormtroopers do? Or simply protection ? Not being recognized ? For dedication to his grandfather who inspired him ?

Otherwise, yes, there are lot of similitudes between ep IV and VII and from my point of view, that's not an issue. Ep VII introduces all news characters, which are kind of alter-ego of the crew from StarWars IV, V & VI. Some characters are 100% orginal tho, like the stormtrooper's chief for isntance, but not enough exploited in this movie (they should rise in the next episodes).

Of course, the force awakens is not perfect. Of course, you can't be surprised by this movie like you probably were in back in 1977 because, hey, it's already been created once!
And yes, scenario might be not so original but it's good and for me, JJ abrams succceed where G. Lucas failed with ep I,II & III bby making his movie faithful to the universe of the the first SW.

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by Sam - Mr. Skin

It could've easily been a fresh story and still included the same characters. Books exist that he could've followed. It's not that hard.

I am sure by now we've all seen this comparison between Pocahontas and Avatar:



The fact is originality just doesn't sell that well, certainly not in Hollywood, most people are loath to fuck with a winning formula. The second trilogy got away from the formula and it sucked. Blockbusters are pretty much always rehashes, reboots, remakes, sequels or something else that is prefab template driven and highly formulaic, there may be some exceptions but they don't start with the Disney logo.

[LovinNothin]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Oh come on, it's a franchise that is nearly 40 years old and has 7 installments and 100s of books, a dozen or so video game spinoffs and several TV series, and you want to criticize part 7 (!!!) for being formulaic and repetitive?

What were you hoping for?

Yes. Human imagination is endless. There was no reason for a repeat, other than corporate greed creating something all the people would love it because it was "so familiar."

Shameful writing. It's much easier to come up with new stories than it is to create the effects. The format was decided before the writers started writing.

[Sam - Mr. Skin]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

I am sure by now we've all seen this comparison between Pocahontas and Avatar:



The fact is originality just doesn't sell that well, certainly not in Hollywood, most people are loath to fuck with a winning formula. The second trilogy got away from the formula and it sucked. Blockbusters are pretty much always rehashes, reboots, remakes, sequels or something else that is prefab template driven and highly formulaic, there may be some exceptions but they don't start with the Disney logo.

The prequels were not very good overall (I did really like Episode III) due to some poor casting/acting and some questionable character choices as Lucas played down to the young crowd a bit too much for my taste. That being said, I did not hate them as much as many people did and frankly, as the OP mentioned, at least he created new storylines and allowed us to explore the world of Star Wars in new ways with new planets, characters etc.

Yes I enjoyed the new one last night, because I'm a sucker for Star Wars in general, but it was a major letdown at the same time for the reasons stated above.

[Rochard]

There are a lot of similarities to the original, mostly with the "both sides chasing after the same droid". However, I thought it was very well done.

[CaptainHowdy]

I ain't into children movies ...

[Ramster]

Saw it yesterday and really enjoyed it, can't wait for the next one

Similarities? Sure but as already said this is the 7th installment of a series. And the similarities for me were kind of cool IMO. How could you watch that and not get excited over the girl learning she has the force powers within her. 2

[adultmobile]

I don't care much for the similarities of plot, that's even ok, but, unfortunately they missed to copy the bad guys. The good guys are ok, they are super smart, even too much.
The bad guys in this movie are plain funny losers who have no clue what's going on, including the supreme leader zoomed super size... they scare no one, they are super trainer and equipped but when shoot they never hit anything (except when destroying whole planet), while good guy hit the bad guys in head perfectly on each try even if they are new to war (helmets are not useful as they die immediately always).
The wannabe-darth vader kid nephew it could be weak by script design, ok.. unsecure teen with strong name he can't uphold ok ok... but his leader is a silly cgi (don't tell me he resembles original art concept of 1977 for palpatine emperor - they used other concept finally for a reason!)... this top bad guy appearing in hologram knows nothing, say nothing, just he gets report of continued failure, without even get angry, and seems to have no any strategy whatsoever. He appears, hears all is going bad, and let these idiots continue do what they wish. When all of his army and planet is destroyed, he asks the failed general: "bring me the kid darth vader so he finishes is training", I wonder, he been trained to be a loser, what's the final phase, to be killed by a giant pizza the hut creature as in spaceballs?

[TeenCat]

everything new is pure shit, star wars, star trek, james bond, jurrasic park, every fucking new movie is for idiots made by idiots, only stupid sweet fucked up perfect actors, everything is so sweet and all the idiotic actors must be super young, like all the scientists and professionals are like 15 years old kids ... oh man, enough is enough, why the fuck i am wasting my time here ...

[The Porn Nerd]

I would've preferred the characters from The Clone Wars animated TV series (the best Star Wars thing outside the original movies). Especially Ahsoka Tano, the greatest Star Wars character invented outside the films. At least they had the sense to bring her back for the new Star Wars Rebels show (tho I hate the CGO "look" of that series' too much like a video game).

UPCOMING SPOILER ALERT: Rey is Kylo Ren's sister. I'll bet you a Wookie cookie that's the big reveal for the sequel.

[Darkcrni]

Originally Posted by TeenCat

everything new is pure shit, star wars, star trek, james bond, jurrasic park, every fucking new movie is for idiots made by idiots, only stupid sweet fucked up perfect actors, everything is so sweet and all the idiotic actors must be super young, like all the scientists and professionals are like 15 years old kids ... oh man, enough is enough, why the fuck i am wasting my time here ...

couldn't agree more!

[Paul Markham]

Enjoyable film. Still, I agree it was a rip-off and it seemed as nothing had been updated, droids, troopers, ships, fighters, characters, villains, etc.

I suppose it helps shift all the old toys, and no need to build new molds.

The two main actors can't act either.

[hottoddy]

Agreed on the first post. I didn't read everything after, so my take may be repetitive. It was good but far from great, borrowing too many ideas to the originals.

How many times is the Empire/First Order going to build a death star thingy with a huge vulnerability?

How many times can a plot line be centered on files hidden in a droid?

How many times can a huge defense shield be taken down by just a few people?

... AND, Kylo Ren was a weak villain. He's a goth emo crybaby. My daughter said he looked like a pampered British prince. Rey (Luke's daughter) bested him without any force training whatsover. Even Finn held his ground against him for a while.

... AND, is the new supreme leader (Snoke) supposed to be Gollum or something? I thought he was laughable. Vader and Palpatine they ain't.

[bronco67]

This thread is full of smart people who know what a good movie is.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by hottoddy

Agreed on the first post. I didn't read everything after, so my take may be repetitive. It was good but far from great, borrowing too many ideas to the originals.

How many times is the Empire/First Order going to build a death star thingy with a huge vulnerability?

How many times can a plot line be centered on files hidden in a droid?

How many times can a huge defense shield be taken down by just a few people?

... AND, Kylo Ren was a weak villain. He's a goth emo crybaby. My daughter said he looked like a pampered British prince. Rey (Luke's daughter) bested him without any force training whatsover. Even Finn held his ground against him for a while.

... AND, is the new supreme leader (Snoke) supposed to be Gollum or something? I thought he was laughable. Vader and Palpatine they ain't.

Rey is Luke's daughter? There goes my theory. Points for them being related tho I guess. LOL

Ren and Rey. Lame.

[brassmonkey]

could have put the spoiler alert in the title

[mce]

It did feel a bit DATED

Regardless, it was a masterpiece of mass marketing.

Kudos!

[Far-L]

The more I see from JJ Abrams the more I see he is like a M. Night Shyamalin, a hack who merely begs, borrows, and steals whatever worked for someone more original and creative and tries to pass it off as his own.

But even the original Star Wars was "borrowing"...

[Robbie]

Seems like I remember George Lucas explaining the story for Star Wars (the original one) when it first came out.

He said it was a "Classic Western" story. And he simply changed the characters to be futuristic space characters instead of cowboys.

So the original was simply a different take on an old storyline to begin with.

Still enjoyed it.

[hottoddy]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Rey is Luke's daughter? There goes my theory. Points for them being related tho I guess. LOL

Ren and Rey. Lame.

I think so. She's got to be a Skywalker with her huge Force prowess. When Ben Solo (Kylo Ren) went bad under Luke's training, she was secretly hidden on Jakko for her own protection and Luke went into hiding. Of course, she could also be Han & Leia's, but it would take some crazy story telling for them not to recognize their own daughter in this movie.

In the next movie, Luke will train Rey after being persuaded she won't go bad. Snoke (the Gollum Emperor), will further train Ren. Ultimately, Vader's grandchildren will have a final battle for good and evil. Lame.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by LovinNothin

****CONTAINS SPOILERS****

I can't believe true Star Wars fans like this movie. Almost every other scene premise was lifted from Star Wars IV, the original in 1977.

Is the public so desperate in wanting a great Star Wars movie that they are willing to look the other way when the know they are being fed the exact same movie they already saw in 1977? The producers, writers and director have the entire galaxy to explore and create new stories and all they came up with are copied premises from Star Wars IV? I so wanted to enjoy this new release, but the moment that pilot placed the "secret information" into the droid BB8, I knew right then and there this film was in trouble. Yes, the film had it's moments, but the stolen and repeated premises from past films outweighed the original moments.

What a waste of production all due to the ego of the writers, producers and the director who all think the movie audience is stupid and will accept anything they create or copy.

Here are the scenes and premises directly plagiarized:

1) The main planet Jakuu, is identical to Tatooine in SW IV and SW I, same moisture farms and overall look.

2) Pilot puts secret info in the droid (BB8) and the "New Order" is looking for it. Taken from SW IV, when Leia puts info in R2D2 and the Empire is looking for it.

3) When Rey meets BB8 in Jakuu desert, the conversation of "Go away, don't follow me, go that way" is the same conversation C3PO and R2D2 had when landed on Tatooine's desert.

4) Yet another bar scene full of aliens, similar to SW IV famous bar scene and already repeated in SW II.

5) Rey picks up light saber in basement of bar and visits the Dark Side, similar to Luke entering the underground tree area in SW V, when Yoda told him the Dark Side of the Force is strong there.

6) Keeping BB8 safe and trying to smuggle him off the planet, same premise in SW IV, getting the droids off the planet.

7) BB8 uses 3D projection to show the secret plans he's carrying, identical scene in SW IV, where R2D2 projects Leia talking about the plans inside the the R2 unit.

8) The Falcon is flying inside the tight area inside the wrecked Star Destroyer, similarly done in SW VI, flying thru the 2nd Death Star.

9) Finn shoots down the TIE fighters in the same fashion as Luke did, a nervous newbee, in SW IV.

10) New Order captures Rey and now good guys have to rescue her. Exact same premise in SW IV with Princess Leia.

11) Note: Darth Vader wears the mask so he can breath, but why does Kylo Ren wear a mask when he can easily take it off? A fashion statement?

12) New Order (The old Empire) has yet ANOTHER Death Star. Aren't there any new weapons in the galaxy that can stand up to a dozen X-wing fighters? Same premise in SW IV and in SW VI. Enough Death Stars!

13) Rey running thru the Death Star corridors and is stopped short by deep internal chasm, similar to Luke and Leia before they swing across it.

14) Rey has to turn off force field, similar to Ben Kenobi turning off tractor beams so Falcon can escape.

15) The whole "father and son" routine was already done in SW V. Now it's Han Solo's turn for a father/son conflict? Hideous and shameless writing.

16) Opinion: Han Solo's death was 100% meaningless. Killed arbitrarily by his son, for what seems to be non disclosed emotional reasons because Han is not a Jedi and no threat to his son. Is this the way an iconic Han Solo exits? "Hey son, come with me and be good again... No! Boom, your dead." That's it? Han should've died sacrificing his life saving people, saving Chewy or the Leia, something noble and worthy of his death. But getting wiped out by his snot nosed kid? That wouldn't happen to the real Han Solo.

17) Rebels flying down the trenches of the new Death Star (planet) with the same laser turrets firing at them. Exact scenes in SW IV.

18) Repeat of the same huge explosion at the end of the movie, already done in SW IV and SW VI. Writers can't figure out how to end a movie without an explosion.

19) When news of Han dying reaches Leia, she barely sheds a tear. Almost no reaction to losing the love of her life.

20) Luke Skywalker didn't speak in the film and was on camera for about 12 seconds, yet he is 2nd in the film's credits? False advertising.

Star Wars VII is the biggest unoriginal film in the series. The acting and effects are top notch, but where is the original story? The producers have access to the best writers in the industry and all they can come with are story lines stolen from previous Star Wars movies? The fans don't need an homage to Star Wars IV, we want a brand new Star Wars film. Yes, combine the old with the new, but is it too much to ask to have a new story, other than, "these aren't the droids we're looking for?" I weep for the fans that have been royally screwed over. They think Jar Jar Binks was bad? But at least Lucas gave us original episodes, unlike this un original film geared directly at 9 year olds that can't remember the story from Star Wars IV.

Shame on the creators of this film for destroying a phenomenal franchise and turning out a film slapped together from stolen pieces of prior films.

It's worse than cannibalism. It's more like a cannibal eating himself and the audience buying a ticket to witness it.

"A film needs more than just special effects, it's needs a story." -George Lucas

Most kids from 5 to 12, won't really remember the story lines in Star Wars IV, but for everybody else, it's a huge disappointment these writers couldn't come up with ANYTHING ORIGINAL that moved the story forward in a new and exciting direction. This movie was just one simple start up, but we didn't need a start up, we already have 6 prior films!!! Bring on the goods!!! Bring on the new stories!!!! There was a million ways they could've gone and didn't go anywhere. I think when the dust settles of all the glam and excitement, the truth will come out and this film will be chalked up as the biggest Star Wars failures. BTW, I am an original Star Wars fan from 1977 and this plagiarized film broke my heart. It's a corporate "play is safe" and "make what sells" production, not an original and exciting science fiction film.

I agree for the most part that it just seemed like a rehashed episode V. It's a bit predictable as well.. Like the girl for example, it's pretty obvious that she is Han Solo and Lea's daughter and brother of Ren.. It's the same hide her from the dark side as they did with Luke.. This means more of the same rehashed in the next episodes.. If she's not Han and Lea's daughter she's gonna be Luke's and some unknown woman's.. It's predicable as hell..


As far as your point on number 11). I think it's easy to see why he wore the mask. He idolized Darth Vader, that's clear from the scene where he was talking to Vader's destroyed mask. He wants to be as great as Vader and as such he wears a mask like Vader did.


I enjoyed the movie but it didn't really draw me in..it's for sure not a classic like the originals, but then again there was never anything like the originals before them.

[lezinterracial]

My brothers loved it, Both hardcore Star Wars fans. But I didn't like it very much. Seemed to be the same as episode IV and the bad guys seemed kind of weak. Scenery and images were awesome.

[PornDiscounts-V]

He has E.D. and the mask allows him to cope.

[Darkcrni]

And maybe....just maybe....Rey is Luke's and Lea's daughter......hmmm how fucked up would that be!

That would be a twist!

[Craft]

I loved it, but it was a total remake, its to easy and safe storie, it's dissapointing for a old fan.

I think for new fans it just as amazing as the first one was for us.

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by mce

It did feel a bit DATED

Regardless, it was a masterpiece of mass marketing.

Kudos!

I would rather fuck myself to death with a broken beer bottle than sit through that mass marketed pile of steaming shit

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by mce

It did feel a bit DATED

Regardless, it was a masterpiece of mass marketing.

Kudos!

mass marketing isn't hard, they threw so much money in it for marketing it's insane. Every other commercial had some star wars deal or promo item. Just that should tell you enough that it's just a mcdonalds movie and not a 5 star restaurant.

PS i havent seen it yet, and i honestly dont understand why this franchise has so many fans.