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Are the AVN and XBIZ Awards Rigged? Let's do the math ...
The full article can be seen at - http://www.naughtynews.network/avn-xbiz-awards-rigged-lets-mathI noticed that one agent more than any other were winning awards in two specific categories. So I hired a guy who has a PhD in Theoretical Astrophysics, as well as a degree in Theoretical Physics who was a particle physicist at CERN and current math teacher, who helped me calculate these odds of that happening. What did he say? Assuming that each agent has an equal likelihood of being chosen each year, the probability of the same agent being chosen all five years is 1 in 1,048,576. Here are the winners for the last 5 years. AVN Female Performer of the Year 2016 ? Riley Reid (Spiegler) 2015 ? Anikka Albrite (Spiegler) 2014 ? Bonnie Rotten (Spiegler) 2013 ? Asa Akira (Spiegler) 2012 ? Bobbi Starr (Spiegler) XBIZ Female Performer of the Year 2016 ? Dani Daniels (OC Modeling) 2015 ? Anikka Albrite (Spiegler) 2014 ? Riley Reid (Spiegler) 2013 ? Brooklyn Lee (Spiegler) 2012 ? Asa Akira (Spiegler) AVN Best New Starlet 2016 ? Abella Danger (Spiegler) 2015 ? Carter Cruise (Spiegler) 2014 ? Mia Malkova (Matrix Models) 2013 ? Remy LaCroix (Spiegler) 2012 ? Brooklyn Lee (Spiegler) XBIZ Best New Starlet 2016 ? Abella Danger (Spiegler) 2015 ? Carter Cruise (Spiegler) 2014 ? Christy Mack (101 Modeling) 2013 ? Riley Reid (Spiegler) 2012 ? Jessie Andrews (Spiegler) Those are some crazy odds that a Spiegler girl would win 5 years in a row ?. 1 in a million chance and yet it happened! Can you believe it?
In all that works out to be 181 total active female performers. Now out of those 181 female performers. Who are the most popular? To determine this we turn to our friend Google. Every time a fan Google?s their favorite porn star?s name, Google records that search. The more ?searches? a particular porn star has, the more famous she is. They record the same data for all celebs. That?s why at the beginning of each year you see those most popular celeb lists. Anyway back to porn stars ? I ran a report today at Google. So keep in mind this data is valid as of July 14, 2016. Out of the top 4 agencies (LA Direct Models, OC Modeling, ATMLA and Spiegler Girls) who has the most famous performers? LA Direct Models ? BY FAR. There wasn?t even a competition. Let?s look at the top 10 and you?ll see why.
42% of the best talent belong with LA Direct 24% of the best talent belong with Spiegler 22% of the best talent belong with OC Modeling 12% of the best talent belong with ATMLA The girls at LA Direct Models get a total of 9,074,930 searches per month. The girls with Spiegler get 5,072,990 searches per month. The girls with OC Modeling get 4,674,090 searches per month. The girls with ATMLA get 2,624,590 searches per month. That means that LA Direct Models has the hottest bitches in the world. So statistically speaking, their girls should win the most awards, right? With a million to 1 odds against it happening and knowing the most popular porn stars are with another agent, how is it Spiegler girls are winning the awards? I can?t say for sure or not if something funny is going on or not, but numbers don?t lie. Draw your own conclusions. The full article can be seen at - http://www.naughtynews.network/avn-xbiz-awards-rigged-lets-math
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Agents represent performers that each one has different skills, looks, experience, scenes/year, fees and so on. Similarly, every agent has different characteristics. You cannot make such erroneous assumption. I'm sure your physicist didn't commit this mistake himself and he was fed with this assumption. AVN Awards are not rigged. correction ------------ According to your article he did make that assumption himself to answer your question. I'll stay with my remark he didn't have the full picture of your question. You should send him this link btw. |
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Seems strange when compared to Google Searches. As the votes aren't from the public why do industry people vote for girls less popular with the public?
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How much did you pay him for this analysis?
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Both are great events.. you ever been??
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'Assuming that each agent has an equal likelihood of being chosen each year'
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some buzzfeed level journalism there
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Math is something most people don't understand.
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I wish I had even a portion of free time to spend on conspiracy theories like this.
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I do not have any AVN or XBiz Awards so I would definitely say it's rigged. :D
Are The Oscars rigged? The Grammys? The Emmys? Move along, nothing to see here (now where's my Award? LOL).
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This one is a reach.... what would either company gain by favoring an agent??
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congrats to the winners ...
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You could have just asked us to do the math..
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But, that's also like saying "Michael Jordan won 6 championships, what a lucky guy."...
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We're all adults, we know how things go and its human nature, nothing wrong with it.
In most organizations people earn their place through sacrifice, success, popularity, perseverance & time. There are no obstacles stopping the OP from creating their own grassroots operation, the problem is most don't want to put in all the resources it takes, and the few who do reep the rewards, as it should be. |
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I've been in this industry for over 25 years and hear this same doubt every now and then.
AVN isn't rigged - no one can pay money or get special nods for being a sponsor. Simply put it's fair and they use different methods than Google ranking, it's an industry awards - not to mention anyone can play with google to increase their ranking if need be
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Lol right? I hope the PhD was not paid .
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I don't understand why you and Mike write about such nonsense. You post opinions, not facts. If you can't back up your statements with proof then your findings are worthless.
By the replies here I think it's safe to say 0% of webmasters give a shit about your site and posts.
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I never said they weren't great events. I simply provided you with a question and let you draw your own conclusions.
In fact what I said at the end of the post was this ... With a million to 1 odds against it happening and knowing the most popular porn stars are with another agent, how is it Spiegler girls are winning the awards?
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I can honestly say in the 20 years I've been in this business, I have never seen that happen even once.
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Some people like conspiracy theories. Some people like to know when their favorite porn star is getting a new boob job. It doesn't mean this type of site is for everyone, but that's okay. I don't need your approval. My site does just fine without you.
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If peope are winning without buying advertising then it's obviously not fixed.
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It's the unproved or baseless accusations against reputable companies and individuals that I don't approve of. Coming here posting this stuff is just a cry for attention and traffic to your site, just like Mike, Donny and Jay did before their bans. I have nothing against you as I don't really know you other than your posts on here and xbiz.
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All I know is I gave Theo a hanny backstage at the AVN Awards last year because he promised me I would win for 'Best New Cummer" if I did so. But all I got was a giant load of jizz.
Where's the trophy Theo??
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Crazy stats right there...
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AVN and XBiz Awards are in fact rigged in more ways than one some ways are more overt than others...
BUT Even though Speigler was and maybe still is the financial backer for Sean Tompkins who is the backer for Donny Long I will say this in defense of Speigler It could be his girls win because he holds his girls to a MUCH higher standard and doesn't take any bullshit, he will drop them quickly for doing things that other agencies just shrug off, as a result he gets his girls higher rates because they tend to be more professional and dependable as a result producer directors tend to think more highly of Speiglers girls so I can see where they might have an edge. even a decided one.
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The voters are AVN Employees for the most part at least until recently but even at that the voters are readers of AVN and any way you look at it that isn't an objective vote. Now people nominate themselves and in an effort to keep the advertisers happy AVN (and XBiz) routinely nominate 15 finalists and rarely is there anything nominated that stands out in any way but lets suppose that Steven Speilberg made the worlds best porn under a pseudonym and nominated himself (as is the standard) but his movie was never advertised in AVN so very few of the voters ever heard of it when it comes time to vote do you really think that these voting people watch all 15 movies in each of what 50 or 60 categories? Nope they vote based on reviews, word of mouth and familiarity from ads. if you don't advertise heavily you simply will not have a chance. If AVN really wanted to make it fair the voters would be impartial and not influenced by who is writing a check that keeps them in their jobs there wouldn't be 15 nominees in every category and the people voting would have some sort of qualifying criteria as judges of what is good and what isn't. Theres a lot more but theres a good start
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If you are not invited to the table or buy a seat you won't win -- just like in real life
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So yes, it happens everywhere -- Mainstream and porn. But is that really the point? No. To me the most interesting part of the full post (if you read it at my site), was the math. The probability and percentages. I mean who would have figured that LA Direct Models is sitting on top of 42% of the most popular active porn performers? I knew he had some hot girls on the site but that number was WAY higher than I would have thought, especially when you compare it to the other top 3 agents. I'm not going to lie. I would have thought Derek's day was over but after seeing his numbers, I was so dead wrong. I personally LOVE the AVN awards and somewhat to a lesser extent the XBIZ awards. They are obviously great for marketing purposes but more than that, as a girl who doesn't love the red carpet? I mean come on ... totally the best part! Yes there are some statistically anomalies in a few of the award categories, I don't think anyone would deny that. But does it mean the show is rigged? I really can't even say that myself. I mean odd YES. But rigged? Ehhh, it's really hard to know for sure. That's why I said, what do you think? You need to draw your own conclusions. It's all in good fun. I think the guys over at AVN by now know how much I actually love their show and have long been a HUGE supporter of it, especially the red carpet. Heck, I even helped Cezar Capone coordinate the red carpet show back in 2008. The whole swarovski crystals on the mics ... that was totally me! So let's stop getting so butt hurt over a silly little story.
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Spiegler brings the goods, that's for sure.
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I think we all know who is the best now.
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Its the porn industry. Not as shady as Hollywood but...
People vote for their friends or who campaigns the hardest for the win. I enjoyed the data but searches vs. biz popularity are a tough theorem to crack. |
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Award shows are about marketing.
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It's just a show, you know,,,, like Keeping Up with the Kardashians.
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I do know from my own experience Xbiz is one of the better webmaster resources sites on the net that I know of
They won a nice award on the LALexpo in Cartagena, congratulations for them!
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