major tubes are losing major traffic- a new trend!

[rabbit]

you can look at the traffic profile of pretty much any of the major tube and the trend is unmistakable since this summer, but going back to early this year:

Pornhub.com Analytics - See Traffic Ranking & Stats
Youporn.com Analytics - See Traffic Ranking & Stats
Xvideos.com Analytics - See Traffic Ranking & Stats
Xhamster.com Analytics - See Traffic Ranking & Stats
Porntube.com Analytics - See Traffic Ranking & Stats
http://www.similarweb.com/website/porn.com#overview
http://www.similarweb.com/website/redtube.com#overview
http://www.similarweb.com/website/xnxx.com#overview

they are losing anywhere from 20-30% of traffic since this summer. more since jan/feb.

i believe this is all google traffic. it's not that easy to spot unless you run one of the sites which have been trending up, as the impact mostly touches long tail queries.

try looking for keywords like these:
https://www.google.com/search?q=bust...utf-8&oe=utf-8
https://www.google.com/search?q=bust...+creampie+tube
https://www.google.com/search?q=bust...video+hardcore

etc

prior to this summer, those results were dominated by the video pages of big tubes. now they get 20-30% of first page results TOPS.

so who are the winners? it's hard to identify, since the volume seems split between many smaller sites, but they seem to be tube aggregators and mgp type tube sites, like:

http://www.similarweb.com/website/iwank.tv#overview
http://www.similarweb.com/website/esmatube.com#overview

so are we coming full circle? back to mgp and linklist style sites outranking content pages? any thoughts? if you run a tube site, does this analysis confirm the trends you see?

[Colmike9]

Maybe a lot of smaller tubes are finally getting indexed? I remember when the only thing you would see on G video results would be Youtube, Pornhub, Youporn and mostly xHamster..

[BigFurry]

The number of DMCA takedown notices is supposed to be a negative SEO factor.

Not a big enough factor though, I'm afraid. :P

[Barry-xlovecam]

Maybe, the tube scraper sites are the new link farms of the latest algorithm.

[ITraffic]

those sites are still massive and i bet the top ten tubes control 95% of all adult traffic.

[blackmonsters]

Maybe all the content ran out since nobody can afford to make any new shit to steal.

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Maybe all the content ran out since nobody can afford to make any new shit to steal.

...

[rabbit]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Maybe all the content ran out since nobody can afford to make any new shit to steal.

i think it's more that the same video, no matter how differently encoded, unique texts, etc no longer flies with google- its considered dup content. this would kill the tubes!

[ilnjscb]

The little tubes and aggregators are much more abusive to the consumers. Many of them link directly back to the big tubes, so both parties get the CPM. When you see world traffic to porn overall go down, then they'll worry.

[247mg]

google deindexing their pages except main....

[bns666]

there are more and more smaller sites popping up recently too

[Paul&John]

Originally Posted by rabbit

i think it's more that the same video, no matter how differently encoded, unique texts, etc no longer flies with google- its considered dup content. this would kill the tubes!

Not sure how could google spot the same videos only differently encoded. I mean it would require a huge amount of computing power which they of course have at their disposal, but I don't think they will waste it on checking duplicate videos on porn tubes

[Colmike9]

What if more tubes are hosting videos themselves and getting those indexed instead of just using embeds?

[Paul Markham]

The only thing that matters is sales. Are sales on paysites going up?

[SIK]

I still find it fascinating that if you try a search query like "someniche videos" you'll end up on somenichesexyvideos.com which is powered by xhamster and redirects to it via videos

how the fuck google tolerates that shit is beyond me

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The only thing that matters is sales. Are sales on paysites going up?

Yes and no. Hate to sound like a lawyer but...it depends.

But I have noticed this drop in traffic since late last year. (Thanks Rabbit for listing the stats tho - wow!) I have begun adapating to this new trend by adjusting my tours since tube traffic is now down around 40% (for me) since last Chrismas. The "good news" is I AM getting more Google traffic tho not enough to make up for the drop in tube traffic BUT G traffic is (theoretically) more targeted so the sales have beem...steady. But it feels like it's on a knife's edge, like we are on the verge of some kind of tipping point with the tubes.

Or maybe it's just the eggnog talking.

[ITraffic]

tubes are fucking boring.

[j3rkules]

I wish they could die for good.

[Mr.Fiction]

Or most unconfirmed stats sites are just wrong?

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by rabbit

you can look at the traffic profile of pretty much any of the major tube and the trend is unmistakable since this summer, but going back to early this year:

Pornhub.com Analytics - See Traffic Ranking & Stats
Youporn.com Analytics - See Traffic Ranking & Stats
Xvideos.com Analytics - See Traffic Ranking & Stats
Xhamster.com Analytics - See Traffic Ranking & Stats
Porntube.com Analytics - See Traffic Ranking & Stats
http://www.similarweb.com/website/porn.com#overview
http://www.similarweb.com/website/redtube.com#overview
http://www.similarweb.com/website/xnxx.com#overview

they are losing anywhere from 20-30% of traffic since this summer. more since jan/feb.

no more whisky for you next year

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Yes and no. Hate to sound like a lawyer but...it depends.

But I have noticed this drop in traffic since late last year. (Thanks Rabbit for listing the stats tho - wow!) I have begun adapating to this new trend by adjusting my tours since tube traffic is now down around 40% (for me) since last Chrismas. The "good news" is I AM getting more Google traffic tho not enough to make up for the drop in tube traffic BUT G traffic is (theoretically) more targeted so the sales have beem...steady. But it feels like it's on a knife's edge, like we are on the verge of some kind of tipping point with the tubes.

Or maybe it's just the eggnog talking.

So the answer is? No, or at least not enough to notice.

Signs ups are the only thing that matter. If a drop in Tube traffic leads to a drop to paysites in Tube traffic and a drop in sign ups. We have to hold back before breaking out the Asti Spumante.

[ITraffic]

is youtube going to go under because they don't get enough "signups?"

[j3rkules]

Originally Posted by nico-t

no more whisky for you next year

[Barry-xlovecam]

I commented without looking at the stats -- my bad.

These (supposed -- estimated) stats are for traffic "on desktop" or PC screens only. See below the chart.

There has been a shift in the past year in screen size, more noticeably world-wide;





This may very well be the reason (or part of it) ...

[ArtificialTraffic]

People just jerkoff less. Because they spend more time online with mobile devices and it's not really comfortable to jerkoff in train or bus or restaurant

[baggg]

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Or most unconfirmed stats sites are just wrong?

Yes, those numbers are not accurate, BUT he is right about the long term keywords

[rabbit]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I commented without looking at the stats -- my bad.

These (supposed -- estimated) stats are for traffic "on desktop" or PC screens only. See below the chart.

There has been a shift in the past year in screen size, more noticeably world-wide;





This may very well be the reason (or part of it) ...

good point! i doubt though the shift is 20-30% of desktop users moving to mobile in a span of 6 months. based on our own numbers, its more like 5-10% per year and last year this shift actually plateaued (at least on our sites). also, doesnt explain the search results change- that has to have an effect.

[Magnetron]

Perhaps they are losing surfers from Google because those surfers are going straight to the tubes ......?

What's the point of going through Google when the major tubes are their own search engines?

Nobody hardly searches for "search engines" anymore because it is common knowledge that only a few major SE's exist. There is no point in going through Google to get to Bing and vice versa.

How much SE traffic does Facebook get now in comparison to it's early years when people weren't that familiar with it? Nowadays we use Facebook as a springboard to other sites instead.

Because search engines are no longer concerned with indexing the most obscure sites and only cater to big players that everyone is already familiar with these days, they are making themselves obsolete.

[celandina]

Ranked under top 50 ( for example xhamster), so who cares if they lost traffic....

Its like telling Trump is going broke because his net worth dropped from 7 billion to 5... Of no consequence.

[rabbit]

Originally Posted by celandina

Ranked under top 50 ( for example xhamster), so who cares if they lost traffic....

Its like telling Trump is going broke because his net worth dropped from 7 billion to 5... Of no consequence.

thanks for your 2c. very constructive

[rabbit]

Originally Posted by Magnetron

Perhaps they are losing surfers from Google because those surfers are going straight to the tubes ......?

What's the point of going through Google when the major tubes are their own search engines?

Nobody hardly searches for "search engines" anymore because it is common knowledge that only a few major SE's exist. There is no point in going through Google to get to Bing and vice versa.

How much SE traffic does Facebook get now in comparison to it's early years when people weren't that familiar with it? Nowadays we use Facebook as a springboard to other sites instead.

Because search engines are no longer concerned with indexing the most obscure sites and only cater to big players that everyone is already familiar with these days, they are making themselves obsolete.

clearly you're not a tube user. there's a reason why these tube aggregators are so popular- because of their search features. so there's definitely a need for a better search solution than going to each tube individually

[itme64]

Facebook guys are also on a "GFY" forum and talking about losing traffic

Still funny to see that people use google to find google. (no traffic drop)



But sure there is something going on for search XXX

[The Porn Nerd]

Or is it just because every fucking tube site looks almost exactly the same (just a page with 20-25 thumbs on it) and people get bored easily?

So Rabbit: are your sales going down because of the tube traffic drop or are they going UP?

[Magnetron]

Originally Posted by rabbit

clearly you're not a tube user. there's a reason why these tube aggregators are so popular- because of their search features. so there's definitely a need for a better search solution than going to each tube individually

No, I'm not.

I just don't buy this as entirely being a SE traffic shift from major tubes to tube parasites.

[rabbit]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Or is it just because every fucking tube site looks almost exactly the same (just a page with 20-25 thumbs on it) and people get bored easily?

So Rabbit: are your sales going down because of the tube traffic drop or are they going UP?

i wish i would be benefiting from this change, but alas...

[nikki99]

good shit

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by rabbit

i wish i would be benefiting from this change, but alas...

LOL I feel you.

[adultchatpay]

The smaller tubes are on the rise.

[robwod]

FWIW, we have seen a growing trend of smaller sites (links lists, tubes, cams, discount sites, etc) with increasingly larger link budgets over the past year. Not sure if that's a major factor, but it's likely a contributing factor. I know of several "smaller sites" with $xx,xxx link budgets over the past year, and certainly a LOT with budgets of $x,xxx.

[ITraffic]

was going to post that.

all this may prove is that the older bigger tubes are just being out seo's by new networks and sites.

if they are able to rank some shitty scraper tube for the biggest and most competitive adult keywords obviously some are just working smarter and harder.

[adultmobile]

Google algo simply is more antitrust-like, could be they decided let's give more opportunities to newcomers to rank high.

[rabbit]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

Google algo simply is more antitrust-like, could be they decided let's give more opportunities to newcomers to rank high.

its the opposite in mainstream, so i doubt that they treat adult differently.

[rabbit]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

was going to post that.

all this may prove is that the older bigger tubes are just being out seo's by new networks and sites.

if they are able to rank some shitty scraper tube for the biggest and most competitive adult keywords obviously some are just working smarter and harder.

i doubt it, because unless you're doing blackhat, seo and especially linkbuilding today is much harder to control. i think most bigger tubes stopped buying as much links because of the risk they face. the user signal their sites send to google is so strong that there's no need to risk messing that up with heavy link buying.

but as i mentioned, this is long tail keywords, not the competitive ones.

[ITraffic]

i don't think there is a point for me to even respond.

so i will just ask ... what answer are you trying to lead everyone to?

that you have already figured out, that you want reiterated back to you?

[rabbit]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

i don't think there is a point for me to even respond.

so i will just ask ... what answer are you trying to lead everyone to?

that you have already figured out, that you want reiterated back to you?

trying to stimulate a discussion. you're free to go post boobies in another useful thread.

also, i would have liked for tube owners to pitch in and share what they're seeing.

[brassmonkey]

what???

[BoomBoomBenoit]

great post rabbit

I think we've touched on a number of possibilities - I also wonder if we're seeing the impact of local on general content sites.... I personally think duplicate content (which can be tracked simply by the title and tags of the videos) in addition to some local tomfoolery as google tries to connect users with sites in their immediate area may be contributing.

[robwod]

Originally Posted by rabbit

i think most bigger tubes stopped buying as much links...

While I cannot speak to other sites, I can speak from our own experience that there are a couple of tubes where we've seen larger expenditures this year over last year. It was more a case, at least as it pertains to us, that some of the tubes spent less in 2014 but increased this year. There are certainly some who have cut way back though.

What I do see is a larger tendency towards being extremely specific with link types, styles, tracking, etc, and to your point, a greater focus on long tail and deep linking inside the sites from a relevance based perspective. Contextual is also a heavy focus.

There is absolutely a increase in smaller sites tossing their hats into the ring with larger budgets.

In any case, it's definitely an interesting trend to watch. Thanks for bringing the discussion to GFY. Refreshing and nice to see a good discussion thread here.

[lagwagon]

maybe Bing.com videos is taking over as the #1 tube?

[Penny24Seven]

Tis the season. Just more tubes out there so the traffic is spread out a little more. No biggie