BETRAYED: EU sticks two fingers up at Dutch voters and opens door to 45 MILLION Ukrainians

[nico-t]

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Dutch referendum: EU to press ahead with visa-free travel for Ukrainians | Politics | News | Daily Express

No deaths = not a real brasshat copy & paste? Well there is a death in this article...



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... THE OFFICIAL DEATH OF DEMOCRACY

[Google Expert]

It's just visa-free travel.

Would you rather have permanent Somali rapefugees instead?

[ITraffic]

why the hate for ukranians so much?

[Google Expert]

You're about to open borders to 80 million Turks, you aren't worried about that?

[JFK]

There goes Europe

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Muad'Dib

It's just visa-free travel.

Would you rather have permanent Somali rapefugees instead?

It's way bigger than that as i already explained in another topic. This is about democracy, which is proven to be non existent now because of our referendum. Everybody already knew it, but now we've proven it. This will open the door to more BREXIT voters, more skepticism towards the EU dictatorship, more people who will wake up.

The EU, who is responsible for our open border policy towards your example of Somali and other islamic rapefugees. To the fucking mess of the huge waves of them who cause chaos in Europe, leading to terrorist attacks and deaths. The EU who is responsible for billions of our tax money to shitty poor countries.

Now tell me... After all these giant fuckups, would you vote FOR another one of their plans that THEY want for their expansion? Or would you vote AGAINST one of those plans?

It is all intertwined. Look at the big picture and not what the media tells you.

[ITraffic]

Britain?s Pro-Kremlin Pols Swayed the Dutch Referendum on Ukraine - The Daily Beast

the anti-ukraine movement was created and supported by the kremlin.

don't be so naive.

plus the vote was always non-binding anyways.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by nico-t

... THE OFFICIAL DEATH OF DEMOCRACY

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Muad'Dib

You're about to open borders to 80 million Turks, you aren't worried about that?

Everyone is against that as well here in Holland, but they do it anyway. You cannot imagine the criticism of the people against that plan. But it's another example of EU stepping on the people.

That's why this referendum was so important! It's the first step! Read my other post. Look at the whole picture instead of the details. I thought out of all people you'd understand, i generally like your point of view in your posts.

[ITraffic]

if it upsets you that much man then stop being such a beta cuck, get off your computer and do something about it.

[WebCashMaker]

Ukrainian girls are hot.... let them in so they can work in Amsterdam's Red Light District !

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

Britain?s Pro-Kremlin Pols Swayed the Dutch Referendum on Ukraine - The Daily Beast

the anti-ukraine movement was created and supported by the kremlin.

don't be so naive.

Bullshit. I live here, followed every last single bit of alternative media. Soros and friends and our mainstream media who is under control of the EU wanted the people to believe that. The initiators of this referendum have ZERO to do with Russia. You cannot believe the propaganda of mainstream media to desperately link this referendum with big bad Putin, but it's all bullshit.

Alot of people are fed up with the EU, it's about them completely ignoring democracy and the people. Ukraine just happened to be the first topic on their agenda we could vote against, with success.

Fuck the EU! Viva la revolution!

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

why the hate for ukranians so much?

No hate buddy. It's bigger than that.

[Paul Markham]

Ukraine, Turkey, soon Moldavia will joining the list. following Romania, Bulgaria and few more countries that have no right being in a trading zone with the likes of Germany, France, UK, Holland, Sweden.

Truth is, it stopped being a trading zone a long time ago. It's now a political zone run be politicians and bureaucrats who need more people to rule. While an open door trading agreement is handed out to the likes of China.

While they spin it like this. Agreements - Trade - European Commission

Over the next ten to 15 years, 90% of world demand will be generated outside Europe. That is why it is a key priority for the EU to tap into this growth potential by opening up market opportunities for European businesses abroad. One way of ensuring this is through negotiating agreements with our key partners.

As tariffs are relatively low in world trade today, trade barriers lie behind the customs borders: hence the EU aims to conclude Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Agreements (DCFTA) that, on top of removing tariffs, also open up markets on services, investment, public procurement and include regulatory issues.

If the EU was to complete all its current free trade talks tomorrow, it could add 2.2% to the EU's GDP or ?275 billion. This is equivalent to adding a country as big as Austria or Denmark to the EU economy. In terms of employment, these agreements could generate 2.2 million new jobs or an additional 1% of the EU total workforce.

The only way that demand can grow is by a decline in demand from the West.

And they tell us the UK will lose trade by being outside.

[nico-t]

Weird how alot of people not from the Netherlands look at this exactly like mainstream media propaganda want you to look at it. Guess the propaganda worked for the lesser informed, luckily it didn't work here in the Netherlands.

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by WebCashMaker

Ukrainian girls are hot.... let them in so they can work in Amsterdam's Red Light District !

You can better go to the Ukrain than, there it cost 5 Euro, in Amsterdam 50.

But they get a tourist visum, not a work visum yet.
I am happy that as a Dutchman i can go to nearly every country without a visa.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

if it upsets you that much man then stop being such a beta cuck, get off your computer and do something about it.

No idea to what post you are referring to.
I did get off my computer and voted for the first step for the deconstruction of the EU.

Anyway judging by your video it's about refugees, they are not running wild here on the streets like they do in Greece. Or mass rape women like in Germany. You can bet on it i would not be standing in silence if it would happen in front of me. I am not the average fat webmaster ;)

[ITraffic]

Originally Posted by nico-t

Bullshit. I live here, followed every last single bit of alternative media. Soros and friends and our mainstream media who is under control of the EU wanted the people to believe that. The initiators of this referendum have ZERO to do with Russia. You cannot believe the propaganda of mainstream media to desperately link this referendum with big bad Putin, but it's all bullshit.

Alot of people are fed up with the EU, it's about them completely ignoring democracy and the people. Ukraine just happened to be the first topic on their agenda we could vote against, with success.

Fuck the EU! Viva la revolution!

if it represented the will of the people why only 32.2% turned out to vote?

looks like the no vote was being mobilized by the far right, communists and a senior's organisation as well as putin. hardly the voice of the common person.

the eu has many similar agreements with complete shitholes why try and stop this one?

[Tasty1]

The Dutch just showed the world how Russia influences Western European elections

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...301_story.html

I can say in my opinion that i never read a more bullshit story than that lately.
So many biased lies, i can't believe it. I think they only get their information from a left wing website called Joop.nl

And everybody had complaints about the waste of money that the no-campaign used to print toiletpaper with reasons to vote against it. That campaign was one of the cheapest and gained worldwide attention! That was a big commercial succes with a lot extra free publicity. The advise for the people that want a Brexit, ask money from the goverment for 50.000 toiletrolls, extra hard, with reasons to Exit.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

if it represented the will of the people why only 32.2% turned out to vote?

looks like the no vote was being mobilized by the far right, communists and a senior's organisation as well as putin. hardly the voice of the common person.

the eu has many similar agreements with complete shitholes why try and stop this one?

this is a new referendum law activated only last year. This was the first topic we could vote for.

btw 32,2 % is a huge number for a topic like this. Last EU puppet general elections in 2014 35% of the people turned up to vote. Mainstream media is hammering on this 32,2% saying it's so low, while completely ignoring the percentage of the 2014 elections. That wasn't too low back then according to them.

[Google Expert]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Ukraine, Turkey, soon Moldavia will joining the list. following Romania, Bulgaria and few more countries that have no right being in a trading zone with the likes of Germany, France, UK, Holland, Sweden.

and Czechoslovakia has that right? Paul, you're a hypocritical asshole

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by WebCashMaker

Ukrainian girls are hot.... let them in so they can work in Amsterdam's Red Light District !

They hot as fire... because every 1 of 5 Ukrainian prostitutes is HIV positive according to the official stats. Congrats to the winners

Statistics on HIV/AIDS in Ukraine on 01.01.2016 / Elena Pinchuk ANTIAIDS Foundation

[Antonio]

Well, democracy isn't about how you feel, it's about how the majority feels. If you think that the Brits are leaving the EU, you are seriously delusional. They have way too much to lose, same with the Dutch. But you never know, once upon a time the Japanese thought they were the best and the greatest and didn't need anybody else, so they sealed off their islands and woke up to white people with firing sticks a few hundred years later...

[Coup]

The EU should open its borders to Mexicans and Jews IMO

E: Also Alaskans

[wehateporn]

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by Coup

The EU should open its borders to Mexicans and Jews IMO

E: Also Alaskans

Yes!!! More Latina's in Europe and they like to live in Europe.
Jews are welcome, but they are not feeling comfortable in Europe.
"The European Jewish Congress has publicized a shocking poll: ?A third of the European Jews think of emigrating?. That is 700,000 people"

[ITraffic]

"when will the wire hit my offshore account? you promised."

"don't worry once the ukraine is further destabilized you will get your blood money."

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

"when will the wire hit my offshore account? you promised."

"don't worry once the ukraine is further destabilized you will get your blood money."

let's look how pootin make destabilization and "fuck EU"

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

they don't want to live in the shit country tho. damn i would like a rear view

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Antonio

Well, democracy isn't about how you feel, it's about how the majority feels. If you think that the Brits are leaving the EU, you are seriously delusional. They have way too much to lose, same with the Dutch. But you never know, once upon a time the Japanese thought they were the best and the greatest and didn't need anybody else, so they sealed off their islands and woke up to white people with firing sticks a few hundred years later...

Yes your definition of democracy is correct. 61% voted no.

If UK votes in favor of Brexit, it's another fun way to look how the EU and the UK prime minister is going to try to ignore it. https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

Did you know not that long ago we had our own border policy and currency? And we were doing great as one of the richest countries in Europe. We were a sovereign country, where laws only had to pass our government.
Now EU makes the laws and our government has no say in it. We have no say in it.

We went from a democracy to a dictatorship. The evolution of a country used to be the other way around.

[Manfap]

Originally Posted by nico-t

Yes your definition of democracy is correct. 61% voted no.

If UK votes in favor of Brexit, it's another fun way to look how the EU and the UK prime minister is going to try to ignore it. https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

Did you know not that long ago we had our own border policy and currency? And we were doing great as one of the richest countries in Europe. We were a sovereign country, where laws only had to pass our government.
Now EU makes the laws and our government has no say in it. We have no say in it.

We went from a democracy to a dictatorship. The evolution of a country used to be the other way around.

As an exporting nation, your currency was getting too strong. Same with Germany, why you think they created the euro.

Tie in your currency rate to the countries you export to, raise the production costs in those countries, and them sell them your shit because your stuff is no longer more expensive.

[_Richard_]

and soon canadians will need a visa to travel to the EU

nicely done. seriously.

sadly we have no one with balls in our government, or we'd shut down that free trade deal, arm Hans island to the teeth, and start going by Peters Map.

[Mediamix]

Originally Posted by nico-t

Weird how alot of people not from the Netherlands look at this exactly like mainstream media propaganda want you to look at it. Guess the propaganda worked for the lesser informed, luckily it didn't work here in the Netherlands.

This.. Every word you said in this thread is the truth.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Muad'Dib

and Czechoslovakia has that right? Paul, you're a hypocritical asshole

It's no longer called Czechoslovakia, so you're a dumb asshole.

Also I'm not Czech. A British businessman who moved to Czech before the Common Market came here and unaffected by the EU. The only difference now is I don't have to show a passport if traveling in the Schengen Countries.

That's the con trick the EU has pulled on Europeans, there never was anything to stop us trading with each other. We've been doing it for 3,000 years.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Antonio

Well, democracy isn't about how you feel, it's about how the majority feels. If you think that the Brits are leaving the EU, you are seriously delusional. They have way too much to lose, same with the Dutch. But you never know, once upon a time the Japanese thought they were the best and the greatest and didn't need anybody else, so they sealed off their islands and woke up to white people with firing sticks a few hundred years later...

The only thing the UK has to lose is Brussels rules, politicians and bureaucrats jobs and EU migrants.

The benefits of being in the EU are minimal to the general public.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by nico-t

We went from a democracy to a dictatorship. The evolution of a country used to be the other way around.

Many non-EU countries have a free trade agreement with the EU. China is flooding the EU with cheap steel among a range of other products that have closed down many EU industries. The myth that the EU is an EU beneficial trade zone is bullshit. The EU could tell China to buy more or we buy less, it doesn't. It could do this with many countries and doesn't.

The balance of power is held by small less wealthy nations. And that balance will tip further as new countries join. The only case to allow the CzechRepublic, Slovakia, Poland, Hungary, and a few more in is. Cheap Labour. They have nothing else to offer, their markets are tiny and if you look at their populations and compare them with the rich ones, you see one-way traffic or a few businessmen like me going the other way. I didn't need the EU to move here.

And did any of the former EU citizens get a vote on expanding the club? No way, we were told to suck it up.

[DraX]

Originally Posted by nico-t

It's way bigger than that as i already explained in another topic. This is about democracy, which is proven to be non existent now because of our referendum. Everybody already knew it, but now we've proven it. This will open the door to more BREXIT voters, more skepticism towards the EU dictatorship, more people who will wake up.

The EU, who is responsible for our open border policy towards your example of Somali and other islamic rapefugees. To the fucking mess of the huge waves of them who cause chaos in Europe, leading to terrorist attacks and deaths. The EU who is responsible for billions of our tax money to shitty poor countries.

Now tell me... After all these giant fuckups, would you vote FOR another one of their plans that THEY want for their expansion? Or would you vote AGAINST one of those plans?

It is all intertwined. Look at the big picture and not what the media tells you.

I couldn't have summarized this better myself, this has nothing to do with ukrainians but the EU system as a dictator.

How the fuck anyone in the EU parliament can say I'm proud of what we have accomplished is beyond me. They are nothing else than low scum and traitors!

Just watch out, these hypocritical EU elite scumbags are opening up for something really scary.

[MaDalton]

i really feel for all of you because the EU made all your lives soooo miserable...

i also notice how everyday the EU dictators try to keep me down and make it impossible to enjoy my life even just a little bit.

Dammit.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i really feel for all of you because the EU made all your lives soooo miserable...

i also notice how everyday the EU dictators try to keep me down and make it impossible to enjoy my life even just a little bit.

Dammit.

wow, what a surprising post coming from you

Yep the EU is truly a happy place. Well aside from paying billions of tax money to poor countries, the Euro which made everything twice as expensive back in 2002 when it was forced down our throats, complete loss of sovereignty and democracy, rapefugees running wild, and people getting blown to bits.

You are such an ignorant close minded naive hippie it's crazy. Are you high all the time? Or are you a paid forum shill of Soros? Christ!

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

You can better go to the Ukrain than, there it cost 5 Euro, in Amsterdam 50.

I just checked mongering forum called international sex guide (or +- like that) and it seems they are paying no less than 30-50 eur in Ukraine as well.
5 euros is a myth.
Although you can find (real? fake? ) escort sites where they have chicks for 300 grivna (less than 10 eur), but how come expert mongers on that forum is not getting anything for less than 30-50eur?

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by JFK

There goes Europe

Ukrainians are Europeans.
Turks, on the other hand, are by no stretch that. And it is a disgrace.

[sperbonzo]

Personally, I never thought that the EU would last as long as it has. But I always overestimate people's willingness to go up against their government when they are not desperate in some way. Unfortunately, the political elites know that most people will be like MaDalton, simply allowing those elites to take away all of their political power because they are busy living a decent life.... and by the time the majorities wake up to the reality of what they have lost, it's usually too late, and change must then happen in far more destructive and violent ways...


sad....







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[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by nico-t

wow, what a surprising post coming from you

Yep the EU is truly a happy place. Well aside from paying billions of tax money to poor countries, the Euro which made everything twice as expensive back in 2002 when it was forced down our throats, complete loss of sovereignty and democracy, rapefugees running wild, and people getting blown to bits.

You are such an ignorant close minded naive hippie it's crazy. Are you high all the time? Or are you a paid forum shill of Soros? Christ!

see - the problem with people like you is that anytime someone disagrees, your only replies are insults and attacks.

that's why having serious discussions in a place like this has died out

I am old enough to remember how it was before the EU and at least my life has significantly improved since then.

but of course I am the close minded and naive - have at it - the good thing is that I don't waste my energy just hating everything and everyone

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Personally, I never thought that the EU would last as long as it has. But I always overestimate people's willingness to go up against their government when they are not desperate in some way. Unfortunately, the political elites know that most people will be like MaDalton, simply allowing those elites to take away all of their political power because they are busy living a decent life.... and by the time the majorities wake up to the reality of what they have lost, it's usually too late, and change must then happen in far more destructive and violent ways...

sad....
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dude, really?

has anyone ever considered that people angrily spewing hate on message boards and social media are by far not the majority and that reality looks very differently?

really - why do i even come here anymore?

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

dude, really?

has anyone ever considered that people angrily spewing hate on message boards and social media are by far not the majority and that reality looks very differently?

really - why do i even come here anymore?

C'mon buddy! Do you really think that I am basing my opinions on this board???


This is not a comment based on this issue regarding Ukrainian immigration either.

I am speaking from my own opinions and worldview, based on a lifetime of travel, living in different countries, and voracious reading and study in economics, history of governance, etc... I am saying that things ARE good in the EU, which is why people will let a centralized government become less and less representative, and more and more powerful. It happens over and over. I'm not blaming you for your outlook. It is the most natural thing in the world. People are always too busy living their own lives to worry about what is happening with their government, especially when their personal circumstances are good. It's only after the power of that government has become SO centralized and out of control that people tend to see the danger of their situation.








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[klinton]

well said...take for example Snowden's leaks...biggest NEWS and scandal for me of XXI century........
most of the people are too busy with their lives to think about anything....and the only guys that do care about this are usually from IT or other geeks.....probably not more than 10 % of population do care about it

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Unfortunately, the political elites know that most people will be allowing those elites to take away all of their political power because they are busy living a decent life.... and by the time the majorities wake up to the reality of what they have lost, it's usually too late, and change must then happen in far more destructive and violent ways...sad....

[celandina]

Originally Posted by Muad'Dib

You're about to open borders to 80 million Turks, you aren't worried about that?

No, the Cossacks will whack the Turks as they did for 100's of years.... Ukrainians the new/old saviours of Europe

[celandina]

Sorry double post

[Struggle4Bucks]

What Europe needs is a United States of Europe with a central governement where all europeans can vote for and one European army. The problem with the EU project is that it was done only halfway because of popular counteraction because of nationalism. Europeans vote against everything that has to do with the EU because they are so afraid to loose their language or culture or some French or German guy will become the president of a united Europe... see... just nationalistic pussy-feeling...

I totally agree that how it is today is a major fuck up. But going back to small soevereign states is absolutely not an option in todays world where scaling up is the only way for survival.

Why is America so powerfull in geo politics? Because it's a country with hundereds of million inhabitants > huge cash flow > huge economy > huge army and it speaks with ONE mouth!

Why is Europe so powerless in geo-politics? Europe has the cashflow; the huge economy (europe's economy is the biggest economy in the world as a matter of fact) BUT it are hunderds of million people speaking via 28 mouths and not 1 of them thinks the same as the others.

In todays world... yeah well.... shit waddles further... no problem... but when the shit hits the van (who here thinks there will not be another WW down the road of the future?) Europe will turn out to be a joke with 28 tiny armies not cooperation very well together so it will be a piece of cake for any aggressor to just hop from one EU country to another....
The French will fight back throwing garlic at the Chinese; the italians will throw pizzas at the Chinese army; the dutch will throw cheese... etc... but it will be a big fucking joke...
Come on... Europe is a place with a lot of potential... if it's not divided... in this current situation it is a very vunarable place...

It doesn't matter who you vote for... national goverment or a European government in a US of E situation... you will get fucked in the ass anyway....

Anti EU sentiments are Always screaming about how their soevereign states are losing soevereinity; losing democracy; losing culture and losing everything else and how the elite is trying to manipulate the people with their pro-EU visions.... while at the same time they fail to see how America, China; Russia etc is manipulating to keep Europe divided. See... the anti-EU sentiment is exactly what other world powers want to hear in Europe... It will keep Europe divided and thus it has no relevant geo political power and that is exactly what current world powers want... very simple...

[j3rkules]

Originally Posted by Muad'Dib

and Czechoslovakia has that right? Paul, you're a hypocritical asshole

What?!?!