Rant 1 year's salary from my publicly traded employer in exchange for being quiet - FightClub style

[PornHero]

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TL;DR:
I'm pissed!! - I have serious dirt on a publicly traded company and want to continue getting paid for 1 year in exchange for being quiet... what do you think?
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I'm am so pissed right now it's not funny...

long story but an old friend from 20 years ago called me up in Aug 2015 and offered my a fulltime job at an internet company... considering all the drama that was going in my life at the time I figured it would actually be good to take the job ( stable income / distraction from personal drama / getting back to a routine etc)

Turns out the company is ass backwards and is actually scamming small business owners out of their hard earned cash.... straight up lying and stealing.

The kicker is --> this company was bought by a well-known public company a few years ago (a household name) so technically I am working for public company on the TSX that is clearly knowingly ripping off 1000's of small business owners for $XXX+ each....

Over the past 7-8 months I've learned their internet business and about 3 weeks ago I started having 1-on-1 meetings with the President of this division on how to increase their sales on a tech product line that actually doesn't rip people off...

fast forward to yesterday.... I'm in a meeting with the President of this division and 6 other people (who all are clueless when it comes to technology)

the meeting was about transferring data from one system to another --- which really isnt rocket science but their drama queen "Director of IT" (who can't even code!) was trying to say how complicated it was...

they ask me my thoughts and I start explaining that it really isn't that complicated... they disagree with me and side with the Director of IT retard who can't code to save his life. I stand up for myself my explaining how it's all sitting in database tables that we just need to update in the backend, they're eyes glaze over... and then the President - who understands ZERO about technology says to me:

"YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU"RE TALKING ABOUT..."


WHAT. THE. FUCK.



I AM PISSED.

I was trying to help this retard scammer with improving his business and adding products of value and he tells me this in front of a bunch of people -- after all those 1-on-1 meetings with him...

I am ready to go on the rampage...

I can use the internet (websites / twitter / facebook) to destroy this division and the publicly traded company's PR dept would go nuts... all these small business people are on twitter and facebook & their email addresses are available online..it would be very simple to create a steady stream of pissed off people calling in to cancel their accounts... a PR nightmare especially when the big newspaper business reporters start getting tagged in tweets quoting consumer complaints... ...

I can cost these motherfuckers $XXX,XXX in lost sales and bad publicity... they are already getting terrible reviews online (which is already a big issue for the division) -- I would just need to consolidate and target all those bad reviews at the public company instead of the division...and create a shitstorm for everyone involved....



... Monday is a holiday here so on Tuesday I feel like telling the President:



"Here's what's going to happen...

You are going to pay for telling me I don't know what the fuck I am talking about.

You can decide how you want to pay:

PAYMENT PLAN #1 (Fightclub style):

I'm working from home from now on. My job is to not tell all the small business owners and reporters on the internet the things I know about your division. As long as I keep getting paid every 2 weeks like normal for the next year, I will forget about you and you can forget about me.


PAYMENT PLAN #2:

Your other option is to stop paying me. If you take this option I am going to make sure it costs you way more in lost sales, bad PR and embarrassing meetings with Executives at the public company. The websites, twitter & facebook accounts that start showing up online will stay up and keep growing until your division is shut down. I will enlist the help of the internet and all the disgruntled customers and previous employees to take down your division. The cost in bad publicity would make it an easy decision for the public company since your earnings are a drop in the bucket for them.

I will show you that I know what THE FUCK I AM TALKING ABOUT.

It's your choice how you want to pay. You have until next payday to decide."


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YOUR THOUGHTS? WHAT DO YOU THINK I SHOULD DO?


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[ITraffic]

Blackmail Isn't Normal, But on Meth It Is.

Not Even Once.

[robwod]

What do I think you should do?

1. Try and edit the above because you have effectively posted, in public, your intention to blackmail/coerce a company to pay you hush money for alleged issues (nothing proven in court). The above could actually be used against you in court as a matter of public record.

2. If being vetoed by your superior(s) in a company is something you struggle with, and it appears that you do, then simply give your notice and move on with life.

3. Consider mailing Eric and having the entire thread removed. It illustrates the kind of revengeful nature you have and that'll likely come back to haunt you if you ever try to find another job and someone researches you and your nick.

4. Said company likely has more money than you and your threats above are now a matter of public record. Right or wrong, you'd still need to pay to defend yourself. And you'll be in far worse shape financially than you were a year ago.

[moln4r]

"I will show you that I know what THE FUCK I AM TALKING ABOUT."
I like this, you are on the good route!
If you have other opportunities (full time job) than this is the way.
Just my opinion.

[PornHero]

Originally Posted by robwod

What do I think you should do?

1. Try and edit the above because you have effectively posted, in public, your intention to blackmail/coerce a company to pay you hush money for alleged issues (nothing proven in court). The above could actually be used against you in court as a matter of public record.

2. If being vetoed by your superior(s) in a company is something you struggle with, and it appears that you do, then simply give your notice and move on with life.

3. Consider mailing Eric and having the entire thread removed. It illustrates the kind of revengeful nature you have and that'll likely come back to haunt you if you ever try to find another job and someone researches you and your nick.

4. Said company likely has more money than you and your threats above are now a matter of public record. Right or wrong, you'd still need to pay to defend yourself. And you'll be in far worse shape financially than you were a year ago.

thanks for the response :-)


well if they pay me then this thread doesnt matter...

if they dont, they will have bigger problems than the fact I posted this on GFY (if they even discover it).

The whole point is the fact that they are breaking the law. A class-action lawsuit is very possible.

Im mostly butthurt that I had all these 1-on-1 meetings with him then he insults and humiliates me in front of a bunch of people...

I think it feels good just to vent. Tuesday is a long way away... we will see what happens.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

Blackmail Isn't Normal, But on Meth It Is.

Not Even Once.

[PornHero]

Originally Posted by moln4r

"I will show you that I know what THE FUCK I AM TALKING ABOUT."
I like this, you are on the good route!
If you have other opportunities (full time job) than this is the way.
Just my opinion.

It would feel so sweet to tell him... then actually show him... that I know what I'm talking about

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by PornHero

thanks for the response :-)


well if they pay me then this thread doesnt matter...

if they dont, they will have bigger problems than the fact I posted this on GFY (if they even discover it).

The whole point is the fact that they are breaking the law. A class-action lawsuit is very possible.

Im mostly butthurt that I had all these 1-on-1 meetings with him then he insults and humiliates me in front of a bunch of people...

I think it feels good just to vent. Tuesday is a long way away... we will see what happens.

Just remember if you do this, its extortion and a criminal offense. And this thread does not help your defense.

[PornHero]

Originally Posted by Axeman

Just remember if you do this, its extortion and a criminal offense. And this thread does not help your defense.

I've already been to jail twice so I've seen first-hand how the court system works.

It's unlikely I would get jail time or a criminal record over $75,000 and for telling the truth about a publicly traded company knowingly ripping small business owners off. If I was lying then that would be another story.

[bronco67]

"considering all the drama in my life"...I have a feeling drama follows you wherever you go.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Put your ego in your back pocket, STFU, do your work and collect a paycheck then start looking for a new job or source of income. Organize, plan and execute.

This is not a winning deal no matter what you do -- except to take a walk.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by PornHero

I've already been to jail twice so I've seen first-hand how the court system works.

It's unlikely I would get jail time or a criminal record over $75,000 and for telling the truth about a publicly traded company knowingly ripping small business owners off. If I was lying then that would be another story.

Yeah, having gone to jail twice is always the best reason to go back to jail again.
Just ask any judge.



I suggest you take a really big fucking chill pill and "suck it up".
You fell insulted, so what. Try playing football so you can learn what real insults are.

[PornHero]

Originally Posted by bronco67

"considering all the drama in my life"...I have a feeling drama follows you wherever you go.

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Put your ego in your back pocket, STFU, do your work and collect a paycheck then start looking for a new job or source of income. Organize, plan and execute.

This is not a winning deal no matter what you do -- except to take a walk.

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Yeah, having gone to jail twice is always the best reason to go back to jail again.
Just ask any judge.



I suggest you take a really big fucking chill pill and "suck it up".
You fell insulted, so what. Try playing football so you can learn what real insults are.

Thank you! Thank you... Thank you all!

It's nice to get some feedback from total strangers to really set you straight

I knew you guys would be able to talk real to me thanks

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by PornHero

I've already been to jail twice so I've seen first-hand how the court system works.

It's unlikely I would get jail time or a criminal record over $75,000 and for telling the truth about a publicly traded company knowingly ripping small business owners off. If I was lying then that would be another story.

it's nice to see you used your prison time to study law but the law isn't 2 wrongs make a right. you'll need some more prison time to study up.

[PornHero]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's nice to see you used your prison time to study law but the law isn't 2 wrongs make a right. you'll need some more prison time to study up.

lol, well certainly I am not arguing that point.

I've just seen first hand how a judge doesnt always throw the book at someone.

If it's the first time you're accused of a certain offense that doesnt seriously harm anyone and you are an otherwise upstanding citizen you have much better chance of getting some leniency.

I remember meeting some guys on the inside for who being in and out of jail was a way of life for them. They spent more time in the court system for various offences than not.

The sad part was they seemed like really nice guys when you got talking to them, just consistently bad judgment and nothing to hope for.

Never met guys like that before... I was like wtf.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by PornHero

lol, well certainly I am not arguing that point.

I've just seen first hand how a judge doesnt always throw the book at someone.

If it's the first time you're accused of a certain offense that doesnt seriously harm anyone and you are an otherwise upstanding citizen you have much better chance of getting some leniency.

well, you are all over the map on this. you're willing to get paid off to keep quiet and let them continue with what you're alleging at the same time you're claiming you're doing this for goody goody reasons that a judge would let you off the hook on account of. all while needing to "vent".

[crockett]

I'm thinking they will laugh at you and tell you to go stand in the unemployment line..

[PornHero]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

well, you are all over the map on this. you're willing to get paid off to keep quiet and let them continue with what you're alleging at the same time you're claiming you're doing this for goody goody reasons that a judge would let you off the hook on account of. all while needing to "vent".

yes you're right.

I think I might just quit and launch the truth.

[TheeRoly]

They're not going to pay you a dime. Especially if you try to black mail them.

Possible solution:
If you feel like the employer disrespected you, stop working for them. Drama solved.

[PornHero]

Originally Posted by crockett

I'm thinking they will laugh at you and tell you to go stand in the unemployment line..

lol, they just might.

but you really have to understand how this is over 150+ employees who all know they are ripping off small business people every day. The worst is when I walk by and hear the A/R collections guy threatening people they have to pay their bill or else it will affect their credit rating..

They of course don't tell you when you first get the job... but one day it hits you...this company is a scam.

[PornHero]

Originally Posted by TheeRoly

They're not going to pay you a dime. Especially if you try to black mail them.

Possible solution:
If you feel like the employer disrespected you, stop working for them. Drama solved.

Yes I will stop working for them.

The question now is: Should I just let them keep doing what they are doing?

[dyna mo]

discretion is the better part of valor

[TheeRoly]

You can't work for scum and expect them to treat you with respect.

Work for a company that actually values you as a human being and at least respects you enough to not tell you that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about in a meeting in front of co workers. If it's necessary it should be done 1 on 1.

For example, when a company's business model revolves around cheating small business owners or other shady practices, I'd go out on a limb and say they're probably terrible people and going to treat their employees like shit. Companies with an honest and non shady business usually treat their employees better.

[PornHero]

Originally Posted by theeroly

you can't work for scum and expect them to treat you with respect.

omg you just clarified it so beautifully - THANK YOU!

Originally Posted by theeroly

you can't work for scum and expect them to treat you with respect.

[TheeRoly]

Originally Posted by PornHero

Yes I will stop working for them.

The question now is: Should I just let them keep doing what they are doing?

I mean it's not really your place and will probably be more trouble than it's worth. If you really feel inclined to let small business owners know about this, create an expose blog or something exposing these bad practices. I just wouldn't look into getting a pay day as well out of this as it will create a shit ton of extra "drama" and obstacles in your life in my opinion.

[PornHero]

Originally Posted by TheeRoly

You can't work for scum and expect them to treat you with respect.

Work for a company that actually values you as a human being and at least respects you enough to not tell you that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about in a meeting in front of co workers. If it's necessary it should be done 1 on 1.

For example, when a company's business model revolves around cheating small business owners or other shady practices, I'd go out on a limb and say they're probably terrible people and going to treat their employees like shit. Companies with an honest and non shady business usually treat their employees better.

Yes you are so right!

[PornHero]

Originally Posted by TheeRoly

I mean it's not really your place and will probably be more trouble than it's worth. If you really feel inclined to let small business owners know about this, create an expose blog or something exposing these bad practices. I just wouldn't look into getting a pay day as well out of this as it will create a shit ton of extra "drama" and obstacles in your life in my opinion.

YES - I am going to scratch the blackmail part -- it was a pipe dream really and one of my favorite scenes in Fight Club so I thought of it immediately

[PornHero]

Originally Posted by TheeRoly

I mean it's not really your place and will probably be more trouble than it's worth. If you really feel inclined to let small business owners know about this, create an expose blog or something exposing these bad practices. I just wouldn't look into getting a pay day as well out of this as it will create a shit ton of extra "drama" and obstacles in your life in my opinion.

You're right.

Just exposing them would feel good in that I am helping innocent, well-intentioned entrepreneurs from being misled and stopping a scam that has been going on for too long.

I dont need a payday out of it.

When I figure out the best way to go about it I will let you all know the company name

This is gonna be interesting...

[TheeRoly]

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[Bladewire]

Your perception of reality is skewed PornHero.

Companies legally "rip off/scam" people all the time.

You are as morally corrupt as the people you work for, and that's ok, doesn't make you a bad person.

You don't have the temperment to extort successfully.

You have a criminal record.

Keep working there, knowing you're the smartest one in the room. Keep learning every aspect of the business. Document it, chart it out and make a business plan you'll implement step by step, but your version is modified not to scam people.

You slowly build your business starting with previous clients that posted negative reviews online ( they will be the First to give your company positive reviews ).

Lastly, keep your mouth shut.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Your perception of reality is skewed PornHero.

Companies legally "rip off/scam" people all the time.

You are as morally corrupt as the people you work for, and that's ok, doesn't make you a bad person.

You don't have the temperment to extort successfully.

You have a criminal record.

Keep working there, knowing you're the smartest one in the room. Keep learning every aspect of the business. Document it, chart it out and make a business plan you'll implement step by step, but your version is modified not to scam people.

You slowly build your business starting with previous clients that posted negative reviews online ( they will be the First to give your company positive reviews ).

Lastly, keep your mouth shut.

and build a back door into their shit just in case.

[PornHero]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Your perception of reality is skewed PornHero.

Companies legally "rip off/scam" people all the time.

You are as morally corrupt as the people you work for, and that's ok, doesn't make you a bad person.

You don't have the temperment to extort successfully.

You have a criminal record.

Keep working there, knowing you're the smartest one in the room. Keep learning every aspect of the business. Document it, chart it out and make a business plan you'll implement step by step, but your version is modified not to scam people.

You slowly build your business starting with previous clients that posted negative reviews online ( they will be the First to give your company positive reviews ).

Lastly, keep your mouth shut.

Companies legally "rip off/scam" people all the time.
Legally versus criminally are two different things:
See what I think applies in this case: False or Misleading Representations - Competition Bureau

In order to proceed on a criminal track both of the following criteria must be satisfied: (1) there must be clear and compelling evidence suggesting that the accused knowingly or recklessly made a false or misleading representation to the public. An example of such evidence is the continuation of a practice by the accused after complaints have been made by consumers directly to the accused; and (2) the Bureau must also be satisfied that criminal prosecution would be in the public interest.

You are as morally corrupt as the people you work for, and that's ok, doesn't make you a bad person.
If I was "as morally corrupt" I wouldn't be blowing the whistle like I will be. I would just walk away like the 5-6 people who've been canned since I've been there.


You don't have the temperment to extort successfully.
TRUE - no argument there.

You have a criminal record.
NOT TRUE

Just to keep the record straight -- I've been to jail but I DO NOT have a criminal record.
Both times never resulted in a CONVICTION.


Keep working there, knowing you're the smartest one in the room. Keep learning every aspect of the business. Document it, chart it out and make a business plan you'll implement step by step, but your version is modified not to scam people.

You slowly build your business starting with previous clients that posted negative reviews online ( they will be the First to give your company positive reviews ).
Good advice but I am not passionate about their business.

Lastly, keep your mouth shut
THATS JUST NOT ME!

[kane]

IMO what would happen if you approached them about this is they would kick your ass out of the building. If you then came after them online and tried to damage their business (regardless of if you are right or wrong) they will sick a well-paid legal team on you. No, you may not go to jail, but you could end up losing everything you own.

Is a little revenge worth that?

The best revenge is to leave the situation, move forward, and have a happy life. If you are really worried they are ripping people off write a letter to the state attorney general and report them.

[Wilbo]

There are a million companies ripping off small businesses. I own a few small service companies and get a minimum of 5 calls a day from companies who promise to get my sites to the top of Google. No way they could all do it. They know and I know they are making false promises. Besides, my shit is already at the top. I didn't run free sites for years and not learn search engines :-)