Business 'Third World studio girls', Cams and herding cats

[Barry-xlovecam]

Paul Markham made the comment in another thread saying that somehow the studio/cam site model was dead or dying -- that is most certainly not true -- it is utterly ludicrous. Cam websites are generating millions of dollars a month, profitably, with that exact format and that proves that statement to be a fallacy and illusory.

Why is herding cats in the title of this post -- because that is exactly what functioning with only independent cam models is. I am going to guess that 15K models perform every day, globally in all ways excluding the independent Skype cams -- they are on the periphery.

Can you imagine trying to keep some order and business decorum among 1000 models no less 15,000?

GNI per Capita : 53,750 US => 26,740 CZ => 23,190 RU => 18,410 => RO => 11,960 => CO We are uplifting ''third world incomes"
MAKE THE WORD GREAT! Where do you live Paul? In the Middle World?

Truthfully, the money made by most camgirls is more appropriate in these (and other) countries, averaged earnings globally. Most cam models will not make $100K a year and more.

This is not to say that there are no First World models/performers doing webcams. This is not to say that the growth potential is in independent cam girls (PERHAPS). This is not to say that there are more and more independent cam performers in RO, CZ, RU other countries where you would expect studios to be.

It takes $2K to $3K to realistically become a top earning independent cam model; Fiber Internet, good webcams with zoom, high end PC s. To many people that is a lot to invest in a longshot business -- cam studios provide these things and professional expertise. Many cam performers see this as a job -- a means to an end and not a long term career choice. College students on summer break are a big resource as an example -- they come back until they finish school and then move on.

Being a PayPal or Western Union cam whore is a rough row to hoe for a 'ho

[CaptainHowdy]

Your first mistake was to take Paul Markham seriously ...

[Google Expert]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Paul Markham made the comment..

you must be new here.

[vending_machine]

Barry- you definitely have a good grasp on the cam industry.

[celandina]

Cams are the TGPs of yesteryear

[ilnjscb]

There is so much technique to camming really well; it is a serious, full time commitment for the indies who do it. That cuts off 1m really attractive girls who want the safety and cleanliness of camming but can't invest, or won't do the grunt work.

Cam studios fill that niche. More power to them.

[pimpmaster9000]

studios are alive and well in the 3rd world...not going anywhere but up...I can get a studio apartment in a new building for 1 girl for like 120e rent/month and say 50$/month internet and 20$/month utility...that's sub 200e range and a computer with cam for streaming for say 300e total...the 1 girl studio is the way to go...let her rent it, you just tell her what apartment and you have no obligation to even go there after that she pays the rent out of pocket...average girls makes 50$/day...do the math...the computer is studio property, the average dumb model will never give 300e for her own computer and cam and work for herself but rather spend it on clothes or party right away...

I understand that in some countries rent might be too expensive for this to work, but if you can not run a studio in the 3rd world you simply do not know how to recruit and manage models...do something else LOL

[Paul Markham]

I think long term, so any figures for today are pointless.

As more girls who speak English or the language of the client find out how easy it is to go independent. Or companies set themselves up to make it easier for independent girls to operate. Customers will move towards them for their entertainment.

These girls will market themselves rather than the people who market a studio with a selection of girls in the hope the surfer sees one that catches his attention.

The benefits for these girls is the money. Besides processing or a small cut to a facilitator they earn more than the studio girls can hope to. No publishing company, studio, and affiliate taking a cut out of the girls earnings.

They can set up appointments to be online for a specific customer, not wait all night for someone to like them enough to spend money. Girls work 6-8 hours at a time. The indies don't have to spend that much time marketing themselves.

The big pull will be the whales. The men who want a quality experience, spend lots of money and hours online with a girl who is talking with them. Want to know the girl rather than chat via a translator who is tapping on a keyboard. These guys are easier to land if the girl herself does her own marketing.

Here's the cruncher. Can a few savvy marketing guys build a site that will sell individual girls properly? So the site can buy traffic at a few bucks a 1,000 and convert it? Very few of the Third World Studios convert that well. A Camsite that can't convert a decent client at 1-5,000 people clicking on a webcam link, tells us one thing. The site can't sell itself.

Barry, come back and tell me I'm wrong in 4-5 years. Remember all those who told me I was wrong before?

[Barry-xlovecam]

@paul
Good luck with your new venture as the 'master mentor'

[Hannes]

you have a lot of knowledge, kudos

[Relic]

Sounds like exploitation Barry, just saying. Herding cats? Yeah. Cats don't herd barry. Pussy does though. Wait, I get it. What have I won Barry?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Relic

Sounds like exploitation Barry, just saying. Herding cats? Yeah. Cats don't herd barry. Pussy does though. Wait, I get it. What have I won Barry?

It's easy to herd cats. Just use a fish on a stick to lure them in.

What Barry needs is more fish.

That's the problem with so many in porn. They try to herd cats without using a tempting lure. simply dumping people onto sites and then a selection of samples that don't arouse enough people to make more buy.

There are salesmen, order takers and check out girls working a cash register. Which one do you think earns the most?

I don't have to be a mentor Barry, I'm living off the proceeds of all my sales.

[Relic]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

It's easy to herd cats. Just use a fish on a stick to lure them in.

I question the sustainability of any such 'herd' but it may temporarily corral them. Bitches be wilding Markham. Particularly 3rd world ones.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

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As more girls who speak English or the language of the client find out how easy it is to go independent.

nope...too dumb and lazy...the "spend 300e on a computer or on a handbag" stops them...

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

These girls will market themselves rather than the people who market a studio with a selection of girls in the hope the surfer sees one that catches his attention.

market themselves?

you keep thinking of them as normal, ambitious, hard working etc

I managed to promote a few girls, very shortly, they care about nothing other than making MVP (minimal viable pay) and handbags and partying...then I gave up bugging them and simply tell them where to rent and give them a computer and they work and I take 30% for nothing at all...maybe 1 in 10 are unhappy with the deal but I do not make them stay, all they need to do is pay off the 300e computer and they never do

[seeandsee]

PM is back?

[Relic]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

300e computer and they never do

Banks have understood this concept forever.

[Barry-xlovecam]

IDK of any business that is egalitarian and non exploitive. I am not in this as a hobby Banksters are exploitive. Coal mine operators are exploitive. The medical-industrial complex is exploitive. Donald Trump is exploitive -- he makes shirts with lower wage Chinese labor -- ZING!

Why Paul? We have 6,000 "cats" come work during the week, over 2000 every day. They come and go.

This is why when I see the affiliate that wants to sign up models from an unknown website for a cut I am not really that interested. If someone has a solid base of potential models; we pay up to 5% lifetime revshare for just referral -- no studio management on your part.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

IDK of any business that is egalitarian and non exploitive. I am not in this as a hobby Banksters are exploitive. Coal mine operators are exploitive. The medical-industrial complex is exploitive. Donald Trump is exploitive -- he makes shirts with lower wage Chinese labor -- ZING!

Why Paul? We have 6,000 "cats" come work during the week, over 2000 every day. They come and go.

This is why when I see the affiliate that wants to sign up models from an unknown website for a cut I am not really that interested. If someone has a solid base of potential models; we pay up to 5% lifetime revshare for just referral -- no studio management on your part.

I admire a lot of what you've done, and are doing. The cam business is a churn and burn bitch that takes a lot of work, in many areas, to be successful and you're doing it 👍

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

It's easy to herd cats. Just use a fish on a stick to lure them in.

What Barry needs is more fish.

That's the problem with so many in porn. They try to herd cats without using a tempting lure. simply dumping people onto sites and then a selection of samples that don't arouse enough people to make more buy.

There are salesmen, order takers and check out girls working a cash register. Which one do you think earns the most?

I don't have to be a mentor Barry, I'm living off the proceeds of all my sales.

Paul why don't you recruit for Barry and start a cam apartment or have them cam out of your place? Get your feet wet back in the business and give you something fun to do? Lots of hot girls out in your area!

[JesseQuinn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

IDK of any business that is egalitarian and non exploitive.


I am not in this as a hobby Banksters are exploitive. Coal mine operators are exploitive. The medical-industrial complex is exploitive. Donald Trump is exploitive -- he makes shirts with lower wage Chinese labor -- ZING!

Why Paul? We have 6,000 "cats" come work during the week, over 2000 every day. They come and go.

This is why when I see the affiliate that wants to sign up models from an unknown website for a cut I am not really that interested. If someone has a solid base of potential models; we pay up to 5% lifetime revshare for just referral -- no studio management on your part.

exploitative

and doesn't need to be that way. don't blame the 'system' if you're not down for forging an ethical path that serves each party equally. cool if not but own it at least? it's not like site owners don't have any power here so the references to coal miners et al. are crap. you're smart enough to know this.

or just keep mocking and disparaging us. respectfully suggest your experiences with the women with whom you work would alter significantly to your advantage if you adjusted your mindset to see us partners and not adversaries

crazy, I know

[slavdogg]

just cuz u can rashionolise something does not make it correct.
I've seen enough posts from Paul, to say he's a complete idiot.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn

crazy, I know

I am not stopping you from opening the cam girl co-op and competing. I am not stopping any of the other experts or wannabes.

I have been involved in cam site management since 2001. I pay cam girls (studios/performers) 50% to 70% or if they are also affiliates: 80%.
We pay affiliates 30% to 35% -- that is better than a lot of cam sites do.

Ours is a high volume and thin margin business. And that is what it is; a business not a hobby or 2nd job for myself or for our staff employees.

We pay everyone on time what they have coming -- that is about a ethical as ethical business gets. I worked in the Telcom business in the early 80's now those were some real scumbags -- I worked for MCI in Houston in the late 70's. So, don't tell me about ethical

[oppoten]

Originally Posted by Muad'Dib

you must be jew here.

[oppoten]

have you seen the size of his ignore list

https://gfy.com/members/barry-xlovecam/

[JesseQuinn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

We pay everyone on time what they have coming -- that is about a ethical as ethical business gets

I still stand by my statement about mutual benefit in terms of partnering with, uh...partners, but based on your reply reread my last post and can see how it could be misconstrued

to be clear, really in tune with cam chica ish as I am one and have never heard a complaint from a chica not being paid by your site. nor have I ever heard a single aff lodge a complaint about your site, on any board.

you run an ethical business on the dollars end, was NOT my intent to imply otherwise. if it came across that way for real huge apologies. there are really so few decent sites, would never throw shade on a decent one intentionally

what I was responding to was language I found disparaging and I think on a business level will hold you back in the long run. If you use a little imagination surely you could see that? Beyond that, not cool to call someone a ho unless you are one too. Kidding, but for real..

but yeah, did NOT mean to imply in any way that your site itself is unethical.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Relic

I question the sustainability of any such 'herd' but it may temporarily corral them. Bitches be wilding Markham. Particularly 3rd world ones.

I was talking about marketing to the consumers. At the moment our marketing is more like herding cats than the way cams manage girls. 1-1,000s of surfers do as we want. Cam girls are a far better ratio. If 1-1,000 turned up to work it would be chaos.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

nope...too dumb and lazy...the "spend 300e on a computer or on a handbag" stops them...



market themselves?

you keep thinking of them as normal, ambitious, hard working etc

I managed to promote a few girls, very shortly, they care about nothing other than making MVP (minimal viable pay) and handbags and partying...then I gave up bugging them and simply tell them where to rent and give them a computer and they work and I take 30% for nothing at all...maybe 1 in 10 are unhappy with the deal but I do not make them stay, all they need to do is pay off the 300e computer and they never do

Please don't even start telling me how to manage girls in porn. Your disrespect and classing them as all the same shows your lack of real experience.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Why Paul? We have 6,000 "cats" come work during the week, over 2000 every day. They come and go.

This is why when I see the affiliate that wants to sign up models from an unknown website for a cut I am not really that interested. If someone has a solid base of potential models; we pay up to 5% lifetime revshare for just referral -- no studio management on your part.

Very true some do come and go. Mainly because they don't earn the money promised. Girls who buy fancy clothes out of their earnings have a habit of coming back the next day so they can buy more fancy clothes.

Yes, there are a lot of girls with an immediate cash flow problem who will come and go. There's also a lot of girls who want to earn $50,000 a year. Independents earn that easily, studio girls don't. Why?

Please don't try to teach me how to deal with porn models. I worked at the coal face for decades. Which cam studio do you work in?

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Please don't even start telling me how to manage girls in porn. Your disrespect and classing them as all the same shows your lack of real experience.

porn and cams are not the same...I understand your complete lack of any experience whatsoever with cams leads you to think its the same, but its not...

you see porn is much easier to recruit...you find a girl who needs cash NOW and film her chugging a dick...for cams she has to work almost every day and wait 2-3 weeks to get paid...notice the word WORK <---the problem

yes I have no respect for my models...the 300e computer, and their inability to save 300e to pay it back, with 50e/day earnings, stops me from respecting them...that and the fact that the moment they get paid they are wasted for 2 days str8 or broke after shopping

oh and all of my models can make 50K$/year easy...what stops them is that 50$/day covers their life expenses completely, and then some, and they only have to work 2-3 hours instead of 5-6 hours...its the ONLY thing stopping them...

you know what will happen when I leave serbia and give them all their accounts? they will work 30% less because my cut is now theirs they will not make 30% more, they will make exactly the same with 30% less work

MVP minimal viable pay <--- the MOMENT they make daily MVP they log off...

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

porn and cams are not the same...I understand your complete lack of any experience whatsoever with cams leads you to think its the same, but its not...

you see porn is much easier to recruit...you find a girl who needs cash NOW and film her chugging a dick...for cams she has to work almost every day and wait 2-3 weeks to get paid...notice the word WORK <---the problem

yes I have no respect for my models...the 300e computer, and their inability to save 300e to pay it back, with 50e/day earnings, stops me from respecting them...that and the fact that the moment they get paid they are wasted for 2 days str8 or broke after shopping

oh and all of my models can make 50K$/year easy...what stops them is that 50$/day covers their life expenses completely, and then some, and they only have to work 2-3 hours instead of 5-6 hours...its the ONLY thing stopping them...

you know what will happen when I leave serbia and give them all their accounts? they will work 30% less because my cut is now theirs they will not make 30% more, they will make exactly the same with 30% less work

MVP minimal viable pay <--- the MOMENT they make daily MVP they log off...

How many porn models of any kind do you manage and please show proof?

I do agree about the pay v the work. We paid a good amount for a day's work, cams pays shit for a month's work. Unless the girls are freelance. Who can earn more for an hour than we paid for a day.

I understand your fear of teaching the best girls how to earn good money, they might leave the studio and work for themselves.

You also forget I came to Czech where a girl could earn in a day what most earned in a month. didn't stop the girls working when I asked them to. We also recruited a lot of girls from the Webcam Studios here.

Maybe the difference is your level of management and mine. To the ones with potential I sold the idea of earning enough to buy lots of nice things, be independent, buy a car, etc. You're incapable of that. I can list the girls who became big earners by starting with me. Now list yours, with proof.

There's nothing easier than getting some girls whose pay level outside porn is minimum wage or benefits and inside porn puts her in the top 10%. to work hard. There's something very addictive about going out and buying an expensive dress with a days pay that hooks them. Of course, if they have to work a week or a month to get that dress, the motivation drops like a stone. Especially when a shithead is shaving 30% off their wages.

[kkkkkk]

Originally Posted by Muad'Dib

you must be new here.

that's the smell alright

[kkkkkk]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

IDK of any business that is egalitarian and non exploitive.

That's too bad so sad. Try planting cherry trees or some shit

[Relic]

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How many porn models of any kind do you manage and please show proof?

I do agree about the pay v the work. We paid a good amount for a day's work, cams pays shit for a month's work. Unless the girls are freelance. Who can earn more for an hour than we paid for a day.

I understand your fear of teaching the best girls how to earn good money, they might leave the studio and work for themselves.

You also forget I came to Czech where a girl could earn in a day what most earned in a month. didn't stop the girls working when I asked them to. We also recruited a lot of girls from the Webcam Studios here.

Maybe the difference is your level of management and mine. To the ones with potential I sold the idea of earning enough to buy lots of nice things, be independent, buy a car, etc. You're incapable of that. I can list the girls who became big earners by starting with me. Now list yours, with proof.

one could post "proof" of having 1000 models by F12 + editing the HTML...dont be childish...

"we paid good amount for a days work, cams pay shit for a months work, unless the girls are freelance, who can earn more in an hour than we pay for a day" <---- wut? sense paul...you need to make it

paul...you know nothing about running a studio or cams...nothing at all...it is obivious you have never done it...kudos to you for your porn filming career...but camming is something that is a complete mystery to you...

you "sold" the idea to models to buy cars? so did I every single one of them wanted her own car and appartment...how many of them went on and actually worked more than 2hours/day to get more than MVP? none

LOL @ your delusions about hard working self promoting disciplined independent webmaster cam girls...theres maybe 10 of them total in the world LOL the rest are dumb lazy shits...

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by kkkkkk

That's too bad so sad. Try planting cherry trees or some shit

Do you live in your mother's basement ? Welcome to the real business world. I hire people to plant my trees ...

[Barry-xlovecam]

@Paul -- How much money have you actually made selling adult webcams?
What empirical proof do you have -0-

[Barry-xlovecam]

@JesseQuinn if you are a 'ho that makes me a pimp 'daddy' I guess. You don't know me personally but I get VERY real at times. Sorry if I hurt your feelings.

This business is what it is -- we can pretend the world sees us differently -- that is only self-delusion I am afraid.

This business is really much less exploitive that many so called straight professions -- that was my background for 25 years. I don't miss that at all really

There are a lot of opportunities in this business for talented people of all types -- this includes developers, coders, designer and executives that make this whole business function. We have more developers and coders working full time than I can count on my hands.

[Barry-xlovecam]

@crucifissio;
How many stock clerks at Walmart or Tesco will ever be Store Managers -- essentially you are correct.

I wasn't born pretty and no one in their right mind will pay to see my ass on cam.

"there is an ass for every seat"

@Paul; Herd some cats and teach them to work the cams -- be well and prosper ... I have been proven wrong many times before and have no problem with that at all.
Back some energetic young guy financially -- impart your wisdom -- but put your money where you mouth is <<< that I respect Money on the wood.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Very true some do come and go. Mainly because they don't earn the money promised. Girls who buy fancy clothes out of their earnings have a habit of coming back the next day so they can buy more fancy clothes.

Yes, there are a lot of girls with an immediate cash flow problem who will come and go. There's also a lot of girls who want to earn $50,000 a year. Independents earn that easily, studio girls don't. Why?

Please don't try to teach me how to deal with porn models. I worked at the coal face for decades. Which cam studio do you work in?

I work full time in administration, strategy and development now -- I started broadcasting my own webcams in 2001 on the front lines. Don't think for a minute I didn't sit for hours in the cam chats mentoring models and shilling for them with customers. That is insulting -- hard lessons learned. I also did my own customer service in the beginning -- worked with the customers and even pre-sold private shows for my models. I failed mainly because cheaper Eastern European models lowered the labor costs, increased the competition, lowered the profit margins. My USA and other 1st world cammers expected too much revenue for the market. So, instead of crying about it and declaring bankruptcy or getting a job 'flipping burgers' -- I partnered up as an employee of Livejasmin and now am the SVP and advisor to the CEO at ACwebconnecting BV (NL).

We are a lot bigger than just XloveCam adult webcams. In fact we were just awarded the .cam new gTLD -- this is a matter of public record. So if you are serious about developing a cam site I can work you on .cam domain names for all of your new 'independent' models. As well as in the near future, *possibly*, be able to supply you with a pay wallet and a cam platform to use for a fee.

No, I am not running a cam studio at this time and have no interest in either doing that hands-on or funding someone to do it for me. One friend of mine in Bucharest spent $40K in 2012 on a new studio -- the same studio model you say is no good. He told me he had broken even in 5 months on the expense. This business can be profitable and attracts money all of the time.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

@crucifissio;
How many stock clerks at Walmart or Tesco will ever be Store Managers -- essentially you are correct.

I wasn't born pretty and no one in their right mind will pay to see my ass on cam.

"there is an ass for every seat"

@Paul; Herd some cats and teach them to work the cams -- be well and prosper ... I have been proven wrong many times before and have no problem with that at all.
Back some energetic young guy financially -- impart your wisdom -- but put your money where you mouth is <<< that I respect Money on the wood.

pornographers do not spend every day with models, they do a 1 day shoot and see the girl in a months time for another shoot...studio bosses actually get to know and hang with the models on a daily basis...I LMAO when I hear a new model speak about how she will work every day for 8 hours and make tons of cash some may actually work like that for a few months but the moment they solve their financial problems they revert to earning the minimum viable pay and log off...

I remember putting the whole studio on split cam, earnings per hour went up 30-40% but online time went down 30-40% too the models were delighted they had to work less for the same $$

[vending_machine]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Girls who buy fancy clothes out of their earnings have a habit of coming back the next day so they can buy more fancy clothes.

In the world of webcam models, this statement could not be farther from the truth.. 1 out of 100 models. Maybe.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

...studio bosses actually get to know and hang with the models on a daily basis...

I will never forget walking into the Peekshows camhouse in Vegas for the first time in the summer of 2001, the smell

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

I will never forget walking into the Peekshows camhouse in Vegas for the first time in the summer of 2001, the smell

half the models have skid marks on their thongs...I once needed a screwdriver to fix a light in a models studio and the kitchen drawer where it was, had a pair of panties with actual lumps of shit on them like 5-10 grams worth WTF? shes a nice pretty girl too

[JesseQuinn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

@JesseQuinn if you are a 'ho that makes me a pimp 'daddy' I guess. You don't know me personally but I get VERY real at times. Sorry if I hurt your feelings.

not sure how you got that from either of my posts, my last one was an attempt to clarify that I was not calling your biz shady. didn't 'hurt my feelings' in any way, was honestly concerned that I had written something that could be unfairly construed as a slight to the ethics of your operation and wanted to clarify, that's all.

but yes, I am a delicate flower and my petals are bruised easily

or ya can just talk to me like a real person?

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

This business is what it is -- we can pretend the world sees us differently -- that is only self-delusion I am afraid.

so we need to treat each other with the same disdain and derision we encounter in the mainstream world? perhaps we could be a bit above that as educated people with tangible experience to know we're not what they project upon us?

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

This business is really much less exploitive that many so called straight professions -- that was my background for 25 years. I don't miss that at all really

exploitative. learn it. love it.

and agreed. my partner works in the mainstream corporate world and I'm disgusted by how peeps are treated there. honestly don't know how he does it, dealing with sociopathic institutions that value money over people, constantly. Can't fathom spending 8-10 hours per day serving that machine.

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

There are a lot of opportunities in this business for talented people of all types -- this includes developers, coders, designer and executives that make this whole business function. We have more developers and coders working full time than I can count on my hands.

100% in agreement here. Have met so many amazing peeps in this business, on all levels.

you're a smart dude who runs an ethical site, only reason I'm responding at this point (usually just say my piece and bounce cuz not down with idiotic internet fights) is because I respect you. think you'd benefit immensely if you'd return the same in kind. Not me. But the women who make your position viable?

Bless

[Bladewire]

[JesseQuinn]

I've always had a bit of satan inside me, helps to know what to avoid. gracias

(fuck, I just ruined it)

[Barry-xlovecam]

I appreciate your well regard of me and our business Jessie --I am just saying it like it is. I don't think poorly of cam models as a group -- they have to be thick skinned to last in this business -- I know that.

I can also sing the praise of the camgirls who put up with all of the daily bullshit to make what money they do. But we are all cogs in the wheel. Without all the cogs in sync the machine sputters. In all business the cogs are rarely in total harmony -- that is just the way it is

The is no kumbaya ...

[Relic]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Do you live in your mother's basement ?

I believe he in fact does Barry.

[JesseQuinn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I appreciate your well regard of me and our business Jessie --I am just saying it like it is. I don't think poorly of cam models as a group -- they have to be thick skinned to last in this business -- I know that..

Jesse. no 'i'

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I can also sing the praise of the camgirls who put up with all of the daily bullshit to make what money they do. But we are all cogs in the wheel. Without all the cogs in sync the machine sputters. In all business the cogs are rarely in total harmony -- that is just the way it is

The (sic) is no kumbaya ...

How about not being a cog? Not like you don't have the freedom in this biz to do what you want? If it matters to you?

It's not kumbaya, it's mutual respect and working together. Choice is yours

Bless and respect (sincerely) and I'm out from here.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Now you just being petty Jesse very unbecoming. Maybe, I am just tired (like: drowsy) as hell from dealing with the cogs in our machine all day ...

Peace out