Tax meat until it?s too expensive to eat, new UN report suggests

[wehateporn]

Meat should be taxed at the wholesale level to raise the price and deter consumption, says a new report from the UN?s International Research Panel (IRP). This will (supposedly) save the environment and prevent global warming.

?I think it is extremely urgent,? said Professor Maarten Hajer of Utrecht University in the Netherlands, lead author of the report. ?All of the harmful effects on the environment and on health needs to be priced into food products.?

Hajer and other members of the IRP assert that livestock creates 14.5 percent of the greenhouse gas emissions that contribute to climate change.

Sneak the tax up on people

Rather than taxing the meat at the retail level (in supermarkets and shops), Hajer recommended taxing it at the wholesale level. ?We think it?s better to price meats earlier in the chain, it?s easier,? said Hajer.

?The evidence is accumulating that meat, particularly red meat, is just a disaster for the environment,? agrees Rachel Premack, a columnist for The Washington Post?s Wongblog.

?Agriculture today accounts for for one-third of global greenhouse gas emissions that promote global warming,? says Premack, ?and half of those agriculture emissions come from livestock.?

?Agriculture consumes 80 percent of water in the US ? most of that being for meat, says Premack. ?? For a kilogram of red meat, you need considerably more water than for plant products.?

?Meanwhile, Denmark is considering a recommendation from its ethics council that all red meats should be taxed,? Premack continues. ?The council argued in May that Danes were ?ethically obliged? to reduce their consumption to curb greenhouse gas emissions.?

The IRP report, which was released in May, ?deserves serious consideration in the United States,? said Premack.

Tax meat until itâ??s too expensive to eat, new UN report suggests - Ice Age Now

[Bladewire]

They tax soda where I live. 2 litre of soda used to be 79 cents, now 1.99.

I don't drink soda but I fucking hate taxes & I'm a huge meat eater and I make a mean lamb goulash.

[onwebcam]

But then we would have too many cows farting all over the place..

[Barry-xlovecam]

Humans are omnivores. So are all intelligent mammals.

STROKE DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY

Compare India a vegetarian culture and the United States a meat eating culture for health statistics.

The UN report is 3rd word feel-good bullshit (as usual).

You want to move to India now

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

You want to move to India now

Love to visit

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

STROKE DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY

Compare India a vegetarian culture and the United States a meat eating culture for health statistics.

The study would need to compare many countries and take into account different factors, rather than comparing one First World country which eats meat to one Third World nation which doesn't eat much meat. One particularly useful statistic would be the stroke death rate of vegetarians in the US

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

The study would need to compare many countries and take into account different factors, rather than comparing one First World country which eats meat to one Third World nation which doesn't eat much meat. One particularly useful statistic would be the stroke death rate of vegetarians in the US

Milk, cheese and eggs have high cholesterol values. In many cases worse that meat. So, unless you only eat Vegan like a rabbit there would be little difference.

You can get by that way if you take amino acid and b12 supplements.
It is better for your health.
If you eat 2 eggs a day and 4 oz of cheese your likelihood of heart attack or stroke is elevated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism

I try to keep a meat portion to 4 oz , stir fry etc.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Milk, cheese and eggs have high cholesterol values. In many cases worse that meat. So, unless you only eat Vegan like a rabbit there would be little difference.

The latest research has been shooting down the 'cholesterol is bad' theory, in many ways we do better by keeping our Cholesterol up, especially later in life. It will take a while to turn the oil tanker around though, plus they've got Statins to push so it will take even longer.

High cholesterol 'does not cause heart disease' new research finds, so treating with statins a 'waste of time'

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

The latest research has been shooting down the 'cholesterol is bad' theory, in many ways we do better by keeping our Cholesterol up, especially later in life. It will take a while to turn the oil tanker around though, plus they've got Statins to push so it will take even longer.

High cholesterol 'does not cause heart disease' new research finds, so treating with statins a 'waste of time'

Then eat 3 eggs a day and all the whole milk cheese you want -- no meat. See you on the other side

[candyflip]

Or just grow your meat:

SuperMeat – 100% Meat, 0% Animal Suffering

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Then eat 3 eggs a day and all the whole milk cheese you want -- no meat. See you on the other side

The food industry needed to find a way to stop us feeling full so as we'd keep on eating. Fat is what makes us feel full, so they told us that fat is bad, this was a great lie for the industry as when people reduce how much fat they eat, they tend to replace it with sugar or carbohydrates, they almost never feel full, that's what's the root cause of the modern day obesity crisis.

[SilentKnight]

Because taxes imposed at the wholesale/manufacturing level never filter down to the consumer level.

The only three constants in the universe - death, taxes...and rampant stupidity.

[Jigster715]

Save the cows. Let them roam free to make more magic mushrooms.

[Look Chang]

My weekend menu, T-bone steak

[jscott]

I had veggie burgers couple weeks ago, not bad actually.

[_Richard_]

that article links to another 3 before i gave up.. do you know the actual UN report?

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

The latest research has been shooting down the 'cholesterol is bad' theory, in many ways we do better by keeping our Cholesterol up, especially later in life. It will take a while to turn the oil tanker around though, plus they've got Statins to push so it will take even longer.

High cholesterol 'does not cause heart disease' new research finds, so treating with statins a 'waste of time'

as long as your triglycerides are low your cholesterol can be higher without issue from the latest I have read. also keeping your omega 6/3 ratio at 1 (as opposed to 10:1 which is common in western diets, if not worse) will help avoid heart attacks and strokes immensely.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Then eat 3 eggs a day and all the whole milk cheese you want -- no meat. See you on the other side

those don't raise cholesterol, sugars do. Dietary cholesterol has minimal affect on blood cholesterol. It's the bi-product of your liver processing sugars that increase levels as well as triglycerides--which is far worse.

[Sarn]

globalists want maximization profit with "trapped" people
and this is only the beginning

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

The only three constants in the universe - death, taxes...and rampant stupidity.

Four actually... You forgot 'Poo'...

[Spunky]

With the price of a decent steak is around 20 bucks,I'm buying more fish ,chicken and pork.

[woj]

of course left wing solution to EVERY problem is more taxes...

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by woj

of course left wing solution to EVERY problem is more taxes...

not you too? how could you possibly turn this into a partisan issue?

[woj]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

not you too? how could you possibly turn this into a partisan issue?

I'm not turning this into anything... just making an observation that whatever the issue the solution is always more taxes for some reason...

you don't find anything wrong with the tax proposal? you wouldn't mind that buying beef could possibly turn into cigarette-tax-style $5/lb tax?

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

those don't raise cholesterol, sugars do. Dietary cholesterol has minimal affect on blood cholesterol. It's the bi-product of your liver processing sugars that increase levels as well as triglycerides--which is far worse.

Well Glen, I have had 3 minor strokes 8 years ago and have to take a far too many prescription drugs. If you think you are right -- OK -- it's your health you may fuck up

Eat 3 eggs a day with bacon and maybe you will be in the percentile of people that do not end up with atherosclerosis or any ill effects. More likely, you will advance the date of your death -- your choice.
Eating 3 eggs a day with bacon is 200% of the recommended daily dietary cholesterol.

The reason that that report may have some validity is that vegetables contain a lot of fiber.

Evidence suggests that soluble fiber is more effective at lowering cholesterol, but both types of fiber are important for your health. One of the ways soluble fiber may lower blood cholesterol is through its ability to reduce the amount of bile reabsorbed in the intestines. It works like this: When fiber interferes with absorption of bile in the intestines, the bile is excreted in the feces. To make up for this loss of bile, the liver makes more bile salts. The body uses cholesterol to make bile salts. So in order to obtain the cholesterol necessary to make more bile salts, the liver increases its production of LDL receptors.

These receptors are responsible for pulling cholesterol out of LDL molecules in the bloodstream. Therefore, the more bile salts are made from the liver, the more LDL cholesterol is pulled from the blood. There is more to be learned about the relationship between soluble fiber and cholesterol, however. It is also possible that one of the short-chain fatty acids produced by the fermentation of soluble fiber in the large intestines may inhibit the amount of cholesterol produced by the liver.

Research has shown that increasing soluble fiber by 5 to 10 g a day reduces LDL cholesterol by about five percent. Oat bran and oatmeal, as well as psyllium and barley, are rich in beta-glucan, a soluble form of fiber, which has been shown to lower total cholesterol and LDL cholesterol.

Evidence suggests that more than 11 g of beta-glucan from oats can lower cholesterol up to 14.5 percent. (In one study, 3 g of beta-glucan was equivalent to about 2.5 ounces of oat bran.) In fact, according to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), foods such as whole oats and barley that contain at least 0.75 g of beta-glucan soluble fiber per serving can state on their label that they may reduce the risk of heart disease, along with a diet low in saturated fat and cholesterol.
How Dietary Fiber Lowers Cholesterol - Foods That Lower Cholesterol | HowStuffWorks

Beans have a lot of fiber and are a reasonable protein source.

But I was a smart-ass too. I smoked -- nicotine is very bad for the vascular system ( vaping is a nicotine injection system). I ate too many cholesterol rich foods. So, If you want to fuck you health up good -- that is the way to do it. I loved liverwurst and crackers

I get my medical ''internet advice'' confirmed by a MD before I make assumptions. At times my PA MD acknowledges that what I read was (or may be ) right. So, you never know but don't make assumptions on medical internet data. I took B12 and formic acid for years with little consequence. Fish Oil Omega3 has conflicting data too. Medical knowledge and theory is always changing. Like the weather sometimes.

Just don't be stupid and try to beat the odds when it may kill you.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Four actually... You forgot 'Poo'...

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Well Glen, I have had 3 minor strokes 8 years ago and have to take a far too many prescription drugs. If you think you are right -- OK -- it's your health you may fuck up

Eat 3 eggs a day with bacon and maybe you will be in the percentile of people that do not end up with atherosclerosis or any ill effects. More likely, you will advance the date of your death -- your choice.
Eating 3 eggs a day with bacon is 200% of the recommended daily dietary cholesterol.

The reason that that report may have some validity is that vegetables contain a lot of fiber.


Beans have a lot of fiber and are a reasonable protein source.

But I was a smart-ass too. I smoked -- nicotine is very bad for the vascular system ( vaping is a nicotine injection system). I ate too many cholesterol rich foods. So, If you want to fuck you health up good -- that is the way to do it. I loved liverwurst and crackers

I get my medical ''internet advice'' confirmed by a MD before I make assumptions. At times my PA MD acknowledges that what I read was (or may be ) right. So, you never know but don't make assumptions on medical internet data. I took B12 and formic acid for years with little consequence. Fish Oil Omega3 has conflicting data too. Medical knowledge and theory is always changing. Like the weather sometimes.

Just don't be stupid and try to beat the odds when it may kill you.

what conflicting data did you read about fish oil omega3? only conflict i have seen is whether or not there is a link with it and prostate cancer

[Barry-xlovecam]

I wanted to say that food would never be taxed -- but it is not true.

Food is taxed in much of Europe -- there is a 5% VAT in France, Multiple tiered VAT on food in the Netherlands as example.

Harmful food like soda with sugar is subject to an excise tax world wide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugary_drinks_tax

So, you may be eating a lot less meat in the future or paying a lot more for it.

[woj]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Well Glen, I have had 3 minor strokes 8 years ago and have to take a far too many prescription drugs. If you think you are right -- OK -- it's your health you may fuck up

Eat 3 eggs a day with bacon and maybe you will be in the percentile of people that do not end up with atherosclerosis or any ill effects. More likely, you will advance the date of your death -- your choice.
Eating 3 eggs a day with bacon is 200% of the recommended daily dietary cholesterol.

there is nothing wrong with eggs, but as with everything else in life, everything in moderation:

"Extensive research has not clearly established a link between egg consumption and risk for coronary heart disease. This lack of connection can be explained by two major reasons: First, eggs are a good source of numerous nutrients including lutein and zeaxanthin, potent antioxidants, which may exert a protective effect against lipoprotein oxidation. Second, it has been well established that dietary cholesterol increases the concentrations of both circulating LDL and HDL cholesterol in those individuals who experience a higher increase in plasma cholesterol following egg consumption (hyper-responders). It is also important to note that 75% of the population experiences a mild increase or no alterations in plasma cholesterol concentrations when challenged with high amounts of dietary cholesterol (normal responders and hypo-responders). Egg intake has been shown to promote the formation of large LDL and HDL subclasses in addition to shifting individuals from the LDL pattern B to pattern A, which is less atherogenic. For these reasons, dietary recommendations aimed at restricting egg consumption should be taken with caution and not include all individuals. We need to acknowledge that diverse healthy populations experience no risk in developing coronary heart disease by increasing their intake of cholesterol but in contrast, they may have multiple beneficial effects by the inclusion of eggs in their regular diet."

Effects of eggs on plasma lipoproteins in healthy populations. - PubMed - NCBI

"One hundred sixteen male volunteers between the ages of 32 and 62 years (mean age 46) consumed two whole fresh eggs daily in their customary diets for 3 months and also eliminated eggs for 3 months before or after eating eggs. The men had had normal-range serum cholesterol and triglycerides for the past 7 years. Four-day food records kept by them in each experimental period were assessed for nutrient intake. A Latin square design allowed analyses for season and sequential effects on serum lipids. The serum cholesterol and triglyceride levels at the end of 6 months were compared with their initial levels on customary free choice diets as well as their levels after the first 3 months of study. No significant increase in mean serum cholesterol was found nor was there a significant association of dietary cholesterol intake with either serum cholesterol or triglyceride."

Effect of dietary egg on human serum cholesterol and triglycerides. - PubMed - NCBI

"The Framingham Study has investigated the effect of host and environmental factors on the development of coronary heart disease since 1949. Serum cholesterol level was determined to the one of the risk factors for coronary heart disease. The nutrient intake, in a subsample of the study population, was determined in 1957. A review of this material has permitted an estimate of egg consumption on each of 912 subjects. The serum cholesterol distribution curves of the subjects according to tertile of egg intake were almost identical, and no relationship between egg intake and coronary heart disease incidence was found. It is concluded that within the range of egg intake of this population differences in egg consumption were unrelated to blood cholesterol level or to coronary heart disease incidence."

Eggs, serum cholesterol, and coronary heart disease. - PubMed - NCBI

..and there are dozens of other similar studies with same results...

[poncabare]

just another trendy pseudo solution

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

what conflicting data did you read about fish oil omega3? only conflict i have seen is whether or not there is a link with it and prostate cancer

Where omega-3s come in

Plate containing a serving of salmon topped with a slice of lemon. A fork is resting to the side.

To lower your levels of cholesterol and triglycerides, you should maintain a healthy weight, do moderately demanding physical activity most days of the week, eat a diet rich in vitamins, minerals, and fiber. Also include fish containing omega-3 fatty acids at least twice a week.

In the average American's diet, about 20% of calories that come from fat are omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids. Most of the omega fatty acids are omega-6s. Experts have found that people who eat foods with high levels of 2 of the omega-3 fatty acids, eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA), and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), have low rates of CHD.

EPA and DHA are also called marine omega-3s because they are found in fatty fish like mackerel, lake trout, herring, sardines, albacore tuna, and salmon. They are also in supplements called fish oils. Another source for EPA and DHA is alpha-linolenic acid. This is found in soy and canola oils, flaxseed, walnuts, and other nuts. It can be changed into omega-3 fatty acids in the body, but its benefit in preventing heart disease is not as clear.
https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyc...contentid=3054

What the Science Says

Moderate evidence has emerged about the health benefits of eating seafood. The health benefits of omega-3 dietary supplements are unclear.
https://nccih.nih.gov/health/omega3/introduction.htm

In most case taking 1000 to 4000 mg daily of fish oil cannot hurt you.

There was a lot if skepticism a year ago.

I eat salmon and albacore tuna broiled 2 -3 times a week -- good tasting fish broiled -- sardines are a good source too. I was taking 1000mg b.i.d of fish oil -- if you eat the right foods you get the right Omega 3 fatty-acids. If you eat 2 big macs and take a few fish oil caps a day you will still drop dead too son. I take 80 mg of Atorvstatin (Lipitor) and 75 mg of Clopidogrel (Plavix) daily and eat a lowered dietary cholesterol diet now (bit too late ). That is like 1000 times more effective than fish oil. But I am an extreme case.

[Barry-xlovecam]

woj -- believe what you want -- It is your life.
I ain't goin' to argue with your dumb ass.

You can justify any position -- until it kills you.

Maybe you will be one of the lucky ones.
My strokes cost over $100K in medical bills -- insurance paid 80% of it. I know how you love to keep ever penny you make -- maybe that will impress you.
I really don't care if you live or die -- that is up to you.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Or just grow your meat:

SuperMeat ? 100% Meat, 0% Animal Suffering

holy fuck what an annoying bitch. Scripted witty. Tries too hard & too fake.

The topic deserved much better since it's interesting.

[RebelR]

Originally Posted by woj

of course left wing solution to EVERY problem is more taxes...

I think we should have a tax on those that impose more taxes on the populace, to curb the increase in taxation.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

as long as your triglycerides are low your cholesterol can be higher without issue from the latest I have read. also keeping your omega 6/3 ratio at 1 (as opposed to 10:1 which is common in western diets, if not worse) will help avoid heart attacks and strokes immensely.

Excellent info PR_Glen

[woj]

Originally Posted by RebelR

I think we should have a tax on those that impose more taxes on the populace, to curb the increase in taxation.

so you want to reduce taxes by increasing them? would you be in favor of for example $5/lb beef tax?

[woj]

the whole left wing logic is a bit circular:

1. lets socialize health care, we all chip in and everyone gets shared health care
2. but wait a min, those unhealthy diet choices are increasing healthcare costs for everyone so we should discourage them!
3. so lets tax unhealthy diet choices so we can pay for step 1

without step 1, there would be no need for step 3... cause those that eat unhealthy would already bear the costs of their poor diet choices...

[Serge Litehead]

regarding cholesterol, there are some effective spices that deal with it.
garlic, hot peppers, ginger, turmeric off the top of my head, also possibly cinnamon and more. they also help digestive system and metabolism and have tons of other health benefits.


less meat is a good healthy initiative though.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Sarn

globalists want maximization profit with "trapped" people
and this is only the beginning

Compelling statement, could you expand on what you mean, in detail?

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Food is taxed in much of Europe -- there is a 5% VAT in France, Multiple tiered VAT on food in the Netherlands as example.

VAT is not "food tax" in any way. VAT is VAT, it applies to everything.
Some countries have reduced VAT rates for (certain) foods, but that is it. Except maybe UK, which has 0% VAT on food? Or not.
Most countries apply normal VAT rate of 20 or so percent to everything including food.
So this is not a food tax in any shape, it is just VAT, applies to everything.

[Screwed Up]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

as long as your triglycerides are low your cholesterol can be higher without issue from the latest I have read. also keeping your omega 6/3 ratio at 1 (as opposed to 10:1 which is common in western diets, if not worse) will help avoid heart attacks and strokes immensely.

Hats off to your, sir!


Whoever else wants to know the truth about food/health:
Online Health Radio Talk Show : Free Internet Health Podcast

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

VAT is not "food tax" in any way. VAT is VAT, it applies to everything.
Some countries have reduced VAT rates for (certain) foods, but that is it. Except maybe UK, which has 0% VAT on food? Or not.
Most countries apply normal VAT rate of 20 or so percent to everything including food.
So this is not a food tax in any shape, it is just VAT, applies to everything.

VAT is a tax
There is no sales tax on food at the supermarket here in the USA.
There is sales tax on prepared food here, restaurants and carry out.
Sorry, I don't live in tax greedy Europe or another nation that charges a tax on food.

You are indoctrinated on VAT. It is part of the cost of existing where you live. You defend it and don't question it. Why should you pay VAT on a service there is no Value Added (Tax)? It is a one time occurrence. You do pay income tax there? So, you think you should pay taxes twice on that labor? Income tax and VAT tax. This is a huge part of a consumer economy.

Do you get a fair return for your money? I think not because you are not the happiest camper here -- think about it.

In the USA there is no VAT on most goods a 5% - 12% sales tax depending on the state's rate.

There is no sales tax on food, medicine, books, school tuition, or rent.
There generally is no sales tax on labor with some exceptions by state.

This has nothing to do with Libbies or Conservitards -- this has to do with how your government is taking what you earn. So, you get free medical there LOL -- you are paying for it with high taxes -- d'Oh Taking from Peter to pay Paul maybe ...



Bureaucracy at its Finest

[EonBlue]

Fuck the UN. Worthless, corrupt piece of shit.



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[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

VAT is a tax
There is no sales tax on food at the supermarket here in the USA.
There is sales tax on prepared food here, restaurants and carry out.
Sorry, I don't live in tax greedy Europe or another nation that charges a tax on food.

You are indoctrinated on VAT. It is part of the cost of existing where you live. You defend it and don't question it. Why should you pay VAT on a service there is no Value Added (Tax)? It is a one time occurrence. You do pay income tax there? So, you think you should pay taxes twice on that labor? Income tax and VAT tax. This is a huge part of a consumer economy.

Do you get a fair return for your money? I think not because you are not the happiest camper here -- think about it.

In the USA there is no VAT on most goods a 5% - 12% sales tax depending on the state's rate.

There is no sales tax on food, medicine, books, school tuition, or rent.
There generally is no sales tax on labor with some exceptions by state.

This has nothing to do with Libbies or Conservitards -- this has to do with how your government is taking what you earn. So, you get free medical there LOL -- you are paying for it with high taxes -- d'Oh Taking from Peter to pay Paul maybe ...



Bureaucracy at its Finest

I do not defend VAT, I just mentioned that it is a tax on everything, it was not introduced as specific food tax which is what OP is talking about.

[Relic]

Either everything is working or you are working for everything

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

Fuck the UN. Worthless, corrupt piece of shit.



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extra tax on anything has no other reason than to squeeze out more cash from the slaves.

to sell it to the public they always fabricate an argument, and the worst thing is they really act / lie that that is why they want to do it. For any topic you can find an argument that sounds nice.

another scheme to get more money.