Putin using Russian military contractors as meat shields for Syrian army

[crockett]

It appears Putin is secretly and illegally using private military contractors to fight in Syria. The contractor company is called Wayne and it's illegal under Russia's constitution.

They are basically using g them as meat shields in front of the Syrian army on the ground. It's estimated 600 to 1k of the poorly trained fighters have died so far.

The same contractor company was doing much of the fighting in Ukraine as well.

Revealed: Russia's 'Secret Syria Mercenaries'

[Coup]

Nice meltdown

[onwebcam]

Hell our "leaders" sit back and watch it on sat feed while ours are gunned down and burned alive.

[Bladewire]

This is awful. War sucks I hate it.

What is the point of this war anyway? We've taken in over 5,000 refugees so far and have committed to 10,000 by the end of the year.

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

Sky News wrote aboud 500 dead Russians...what's about 5000 dead Americans and British from Prison Planet?
Bodies Of Dead GI's Secretly Hidden In Cyprus'
plz stop posting shit news from shit newsmakers.

Originally Posted by Bladewire

We've taken in over 5,000 refugees so far and have committed to 10,000 by the end of the year.

what's about refugees from Iraq, Pakistan, Afganistan, Sudan, Lybia, ets...? Putin bombing all this countries too?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew

what's about refugees from Iraq, Pakistan, Afganistan, Sudan, Lybia, ets...? Putin bombing all this countries too?

What is your point? We welcome/have refugees from all those countries in America, Canada too.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by crockett

It appears Putin is secretly and illegally using private military contractors to fight in Syria. The contractor company is called Wayne and it's illegal under Russia's constitution.

They are basically using g them as meat shields in front of the Syrian army on the ground. It's estimated 600 to 1k of the poorly trained fighters have died so far.

The same contractor company was doing much of the fighting in Ukraine as well.

Revealed: Russia's 'Secret Syria Mercenaries'

And these guys are doing what ? Selling cookies ??







I guess what is legal for the gander is not legal for the goose... Get your facts straight before you spew such lame propaganda...

[Milfer]

all is fair in love and war!

[Relic]

Welcome to Britam Defence

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

This is awful. War sucks I hate it.

What is the point of this war anyway? We've taken in over 5,000 refugees so far and have committed to 10,000 by the end of the year.

canadian pension depends on perpetual war..

[deonbell]

russia is good country that mind own business, but they effected by American stupidity. Hillary fuck region with Arab Spring. All strong Arab leaders dead. So power vacum. Now shitty people that don't jack off goes to Russia and Europe now and make them shitty. Russia try to fix Syria shithole so shit people stop coming.

When Hillary become president. US will break. Americans come to Mexico. Mexico will own the companies and make lazy americans work in Tortilla factory.

[Paul Markham]

Putin wants the oil. The best way to get it is to keep Assad in power and on his side. To him, a few 1,000 Russians lives mean little.

Trump is delusional when he says he can deal with Putin. Putin does go to war if it benefits Putin. Are Americans ready to die to stop him?

IMP we need to stay out of the ME. Just buy the oil from the winners. When the oil runs out, take back everything the big money Arab elite bought with our money. Then they're back to riding camels.

In between then and now pursue fuels the West has. Buying gas from Russia has created a big problem. Buying cheap imports from China another big problem. Buying oil from terrorist nations another problem.

Russia's economic crash was meant to make us all safer. Ironic.

[Sarn]

This holy war is not necessary to look at the number of victims.
Big number victims give the more hate for enemies.

>It appears Putin is secretly and illegally using private military contractors to fight in Syria. The contractor company is called Wayne and it's illegal under Russia's constitution.

it is legal from the Russian point of view of the constitution.
it special operations forces "C" FSB RF and them pay 3 thousands $ then there will be many who want to.



>In between then and now pursue fuels the West has. Buying gas from Russia has created a big problem. Buying cheap imports from China another big problem. Buying oil from terrorist nations another problem.

Yes cheap gas and cheap phone it you enemies

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Sarn

it is legal from the Russian point of view of the constitution

It is illegal. Article 359 of Russian Criminal Code - up to 7 years in prison. Learn your law. Maybe the Russian media tells you there are Spetsnaz FSB, but I have doubts about it. Like it was on the Ukraine where usual farmers were fighting for money.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

It is illegal. Article 359 of Russian Criminal Code - up to 7 years in prison. Learn your law. Maybe the Russian media tells you there are Spetsnaz FSB, but I have doubts about it. Like it was on the Ukraine where usual farmers were fighting for money.

Note. A mercenary is a person who acts in order to obtain material compensation and not a citizen of the State participating in an armed conflict or military operations are not permanently resident in its territory, and not a person directed to perform official duties.

i don't think criminal code generally applies to things the military wants to do

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

i don't think criminal code generally applies to things the military wants to do

The Russian Criminal Code does not apply to anything that Putin and his people do.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

It is illegal. Article 359 of Russian Criminal Code - up to 7 years in prison. Learn your law.

白痴

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

i don't think criminal code generally applies to things the military wants to do

Of course the Ministry of Defence is not in the police jurisdiction

[nico-t]

lol @ criticizing any other country except the one who caused the wars.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Sarn

Of course the Ministry of Defence is not in the police jurisdiction

yea i knew it was a poor use of 'general'.. it's just obviously government organizations do 'bad things' in the interest of national security, and i am *assuming* the powers that be have some form of check and balance to any type of action with this

furthermore, doesn't the russian military have it's own criminal code? (ie, treason for civilians is a jail sentence, treason for military is death)

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

furthermore, doesn't the russian military have it's own criminal code? (ie, treason for civilians is a jail sentence, treason for military is death)

1) There is the same Criminal Code for military and civilians. All punishments for war crimes are included there.

2) We have no death sentence in Russia. We are not as liberal as Americans, sorry...

[MiamiBoyz]

[Mediamix]

Originally Posted by nico-t

lol @ criticizing any other country except the one who caused the wars.

#QFT

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

1) There is the same Criminal Code for military and civilians. All punishments for war crimes are included there.

2) We have no death sentence in Russia. We are not as liberal as Americans, sorry...

but you do not read it?

Госдума России 5 июля 2006 приняла закон, разрешающий президенту использовать Вооруженные силы РФ и спецслужбы для борьбы с международным терроризмом за пределами страны. Причем при необходимых 226 голосах за документ проголосовали 429 депутатов. Теперь закон дает президенту России право использовать вооруженные силы и спецподразделения для устранения террористов за пределами страны. Спецслужбы и подразделения ГРУ могут использоваться для противодействия международному терроризму и защиты российских граждан в соответствии с частью 3 статьи 10 закона «О противодействии терроризму».

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

1) There is the same Criminal Code for military and civilians. All punishments for war crimes are included there.

2) We have no death sentence in Russia. We are not as liberal as Americans, sorry...

'Capital punishment in Russia has been indefinitely suspended,[1] although it is de jure allowed, with the only legal execution method being shooting.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capita...ment_in_Russia

and a bunch of other technical nonsense that makes your point here kinda funny. including the 62% that want the death penalty back.

I am not American, my Moldovan friend

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by crockett

It appears Putin is secretly and illegally using private military contractors to fight in Syria. The contractor company is called Wayne and it's illegal under Russia's constitution.

They are basically using g them as meat shields in front of the Syrian army on the ground. It's estimated 600 to 1k of the poorly trained fighters have died so far.

The same contractor company was doing much of the fighting in Ukraine as well.

Revealed: Russia's 'Secret Syria Mercenaries'

Sometimes when you post shit like this, and you're such a toe the line liberal that even I, who have openly supported Clinton for years, can't understand your posts, you make me wonder about your motivation. The USA has done an absolute shit job militarily over the last 15 years. Obama and Bush are complete failures as commanders in chief.

Putin was the one that actually began to hurt ISIS; all the US did was focus on arming Syria.

I don't know why both dems and republicans agree on attacking Syria, when they absolutely hate each other on every other issue, but I suspect it has to do with AIPAC and I say fuck them both for it.

This whole anti-putin thing is not shared at all by the American people. Since you sure as hell are not an elite, what does it matter to you?

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by crockett

The contractor company is called Wayne and it's illegal under Russia's constitution.

oh crockett. do you read russian now? you can read the russian constitution & cite the passage that makes it illegal to use private contractors?

please do...post the portions of the russian constitution that ban this.

my name is crockett & i am the GFY expert on russian law.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

War sucks I hate it.

please. put aside your differences with me. read the book - lord of the flies. you need to get the memo that war is the base behavior of man, & elevating to civilization requires leadership & laws.

things liberals are always trying to tear down, leading to inner city war zones in every city run by democrats.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

please. put aside your differences with me. read the book - lord of the flies. you need to get the memo that war is the base behavior of man, & elevating to civilization requires leadership & laws.

things liberals are always trying to tear down, leading to inner city war zones in every city run by democrats.

you liberals support the lord of the flies bro, you just have no clue.

lord of the flies doesn't state war is the base behaviour of man

is that what you took from it?

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

lord of the flies doesn't state war is the base behaviour of man

is that what you took from it?

who was about to win in the end, jack or ralph? what happens to children without the leadership & laws from the adults? war.

the base behavior of man is jack merridew. war. take for yourself, lawlessness.

whats happening in liberal inner cities? a lack of leadership & laws. no parents, no adults, just gangs of jack merridews. all they do is take for themselves. taker nation. liberals tearing down cops. war.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

'Capital punishment in Russia has been indefinitely suspended

It was suspended, so there is no death sentence here anymore. Have you heard the term "law repealed"? This is what written now in Russian Criminal Code about death penalty. So it was nit just "suspended". It was officially removed from the criminal law.

For example, Canada has suspended death penalty in 1976: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capita...ment_in_Canada

Here is a quote for you:

In 2004 only 48 percent of Canadians favored death for murderers compared to 62 percent in 2010. According to one poll, support for the death penalty in Canada is approximately the same as its support in the United States, at 63 percent in both countries as of 2013. A 2011 poll found that 66 percent of Canadians favored capital punishment, but only 41 percent would actually support its re-introduction in Canada.

So 66% of Canadians want to bring it back. Nice...

Originally Posted by _Richard_

I am not American, my Moldovan friend

Since when Canada was teleported from North America? Which continent you are at now?

Originally Posted by Sarn

Госдума России 5 июля 2006 приняла закон, разрешающий президенту использовать Вооруженные силы РФ и спецслужбы для борьбы с международным терроризмом за пределами страны.

He didn't need any permission for that. The president of Russian Federation has a right to use our army anywhere. In this thread we are talking about independent mercenaries. They are not soldiers and have no relation to the Russian army. Is that clear?

[celandina]

Originally Posted by celandina

And these guys are doing what ? Selling cookies ??







I guess what is legal for the gander is not legal for the goose... Get your facts straight before you spew such lame propaganda...

Just in case you have missed it. The OP calls Russian mercenaries illegal, while USA has many more and that is all OK.

... The rest of the crap about legal or illegal is just blowing in the wind...

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

He didn't need any permission for that. The president of Russian Federation has a right to use our army anywhere. In this thread we are talking about independent mercenaries. They are not soldiers and have no relation to the Russian army. Is that clear?

read the title of the topic again

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Sarn

read the title of the topic again

Military contractors (PMC) are mercenaries, even according to the UN's classification. From the dictionary:

A mercenary is a person who takes part in an armed conflict who is not a national or a party to the conflict and is "motivated to take part in the hostilities by the desire for private gain".

Since your English is a bit worse than mine, you are confusing PMC with a professional army.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

It was suspended, so there is no death sentence here anymore. Have you heard the term "law repealed"? This is what written now in Russian Criminal Code about death penalty. So it was nit just "suspended". It was officially removed from the criminal law.

For example, Canada has suspended death penalty in 1976: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capita...ment_in_Canada

Here is a quote for you:

In 2004 only 48 percent of Canadians favored death for murderers compared to 62 percent in 2010. According to one poll, support for the death penalty in Canada is approximately the same as its support in the United States, at 63 percent in both countries as of 2013. A 2011 poll found that 66 percent of Canadians favored capital punishment, but only 41 percent would actually support its re-introduction in Canada.

So 66% of Canadians want to bring it back. Nice...



Since when Canada was teleported from North America? Which continent you are at now?



He didn't need any permission for that. The president of Russian Federation has a right to use our army anywhere. In this thread we are talking about independent mercenaries. They are not soldiers and have no relation to the Russian army. Is that clear?

except for the De Jure part, where it's legally allowed, you just don't do it cause of the moratorium and other.. matters.

41 percent i believe is what you wanted to use, which surprises me as Asians are so good with numbers

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Military contractors (PMC) are mercenaries, even according to the UN's classification. From the dictionary:

Since your English is a bit worse than mine, you are confusing PMC with a professional army.

Private military company - we haven't it in law.
And according to the law, Putin can not use them, it has only the security services(FSB,GRY etc).
Everything else is a journalistic fiction

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

except for the De Jure part, where it's legally allowed, you just don't do it cause of the moratorium and other.. matters.

Once again, dear expert of Russian law: the death penalty was officially removed from the Criminal Code. Not just "suspended". It was removed. Also the Constitutional Court has admitted that death penalty is impossible (use Google Translate) in Russian Federation. Do you want me go give you the definition of "impossible"? The death penalty was suspended till January 1st 2010. After that date it was completely juridically banned.

Originally Posted by _Richard_

41 percent i believe is what you wanted to use, which surprises me as Asians are so good with numbers

What about "poll found that 66 percent of Canadians favored capital punishment"? The people at Russian polls are also favored it. And that doesn't mean they would vote for that. Wikipedia was always lost in translation.

Originally Posted by Sarn

Private military company - we haven't it in law.

Whaaaaaat??? What is this then?

Статья 359. Наемничество
[Уголовный кодекс РФ] [Глава 34] [Статья 359]

1. Вербовка, обучение, финансирование или иное материальное обеспечение наемника, а равно его использование в вооруженном конфликте или военных действиях -

наказываются лишением свободы на срок от четырех до восьми лет с ограничением свободы на срок до двух лет либо без такового.

2. Те же деяния, совершенные лицом с использованием своего служебного положения или в отношении несовершеннолетнего, -

наказываются лишением свободы на срок от семи до пятнадцати лет со штрафом в размере до пятисот тысяч рублей или в размере заработной платы или иного дохода осужденного за период до трех лет либо без такового и с ограничением свободы на срок от одного года до двух лет либо без такового.

3. Участие наемника в вооруженном конфликте или военных действиях -

наказывается лишением свободы на срок от трех до семи лет с ограничением свободы на срок до одного года либо без такового.

Примечание. Наемником признается лицо, действующее в целях получения материального вознаграждения и не являющееся гражданином государства, участвующего в вооруженном конфликте или военных действиях, не проживающее постоянно на его территории, а также не являющееся лицом, направленным для исполнения официальных обязанностей.

I know your English sucks, but this criminal article is about mercenaries ака PMC (т.е. о наемниках она).

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Whaaaaaat??? What is this then?

yes it banned. it i mean
Putin use the FSB.
It legal.
Journalists come up with PMC - then come up with Putin violates the law etc...

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Sarn

yes it banned. it i mean
Putin use the FSB.

Only FSB? are you sure? How could you be sure about something what Putin says especially after the Ukrainian case? Who did pay to all those mercenaries who was sent to the war? How can you trust to a person who said this:



Is there any single word he was able to keep? Да он же пиздит, как дышит (прошу пардона за свой французский).

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

canadian pension depends on perpetual war..

This makes zero sense for a multitude of reasons. We haven't been at war for decades...

[Barry-xlovecam]

The US is sort of doing the same thing -- funding the rebels and Kurds so we don't need to commit ground troops en mass.

We used Blackwater mercenaries in Iraq too.

Now called Academi


Academi's new 'hi-tech' logo

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Once again, dear expert of Russian law: the death penalty was officially removed from the Criminal Code. Not just "suspended". It was removed. Also the Constitutional Court has admitted that death penalty is impossible (use Google Translate) in Russian Federation. Do you want me go give you the definition of "impossible"? The death penalty was suspended till January 1st 2010. After that date it was completely juridically banned.



What about "poll found that 66 percent of Canadians favored capital punishment"? The people at Russian polls are also favored it. And that doesn't mean they would vote for that. Wikipedia was always lost in translation.



Whaaaaaat??? What is this then?

' but only 41 percent would actually support its re-introduction in Canada.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by _richard_

' but only 41 percent would actually support its re-introduction in canada.

Вот ты нудный...

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Вот ты нудный...

coincidentally, i have been telling myself this about you for 3 posts.

however i managed to stay polite.

you stated 'So 66% of Canadians want to bring it back. Nice...'

while posting a link saying only 41% wanted to bring it back, while 66% agreed with it.

now you know why i ignore you.

[just a punk]

According to the FOM, 49% of Russians want to bring it back. Not a big difference with Canada, ah?

P.S. All those polls are not accurate.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by celandina

And these guys are doing what ? Selling cookies ??







I guess what is legal for the gander is not legal for the goose... Get your facts straight before you spew such lame propaganda...

My facts are straight. I know what my country does with contractors and I'm very much aginst it.

I'm simply pointing out that Russia is doing the samething.. both in Ukraine and in Syria.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by celandina

Just in case you have missed it. The OP calls Russian mercenaries illegal, while USA has many more and that is all OK.

... The rest of the crap about legal or illegal is just blowing in the wind...

No you didn't read well. I clearly stated the use of combat contractors was illegal under Russia's constitution. Meaning Putin is violating Russian law by using them.

As for the US, unfortunately it's legal to use them, congress made sure of that. I'd prefer it was illegal.

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by celandina

And these guys are doing what ? Selling cookies ??







I guess what is legal for the gander is not legal for the goose... Get your facts straight before you spew such lame propaganda...

Slobo, did they ban your other account?

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by celandina

Just in case you have missed it. The OP calls Russian mercenaries illegal, while USA has many more and that is all OK.

... The rest of the crap about legal or illegal is just blowing in the wind...

They are illegal per laws of Russian federation, you dumb fuck.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Only FSB? are you sure? How could you be sure about something what Putin says especially after the Ukrainian case? Who did pay to all those mercenaries who was sent to the war? How can you trust to a person who said this:

Is there any single word he was able to keep? Да он же пиздит, как дышит (прошу пардона за свой французский).

not only. if you read above - i write who how and even what law they use.
he sent not mercenaries - he sent his special services(forses)(spetznaz)(спецслужбы)
do you understand?

Originally Posted by crockett

My facts are straight. I know what my country does with contractors and I'm very much aginst it.
I'm simply pointing out that Russia is doing the samething.. both in Ukraine and in Syria.

you have the wrong approach to the problem.
It is do Ukrainians. It is do Syrians.
all others use this situation with their interest.