CNN & CNBC Still Can't Believe Hillary Not Pres... Russia's Fault More Than Ever...

[JohnnyNight]

Every day Russia gets worse and worse..

That's what they say..

[just a punk]

Gets worse or simple returns back the old good multi-polar World? During the 90's the USA have uses to be a guy "I'm will to do everything". And now they believe this is a normal thing. Now, this is not. Have never before 90s and won't be in the future.

In 90's Russia has really believed that the US government are honest guys who can be our friends. We have closed our bases on Cuba and in Vietnam, have pulled our armies from Germany and Afghanistan. We have sufficiently reduced our military power, especially the nuclear component (100's of unique military space, laser and nuclear technologies were dumped). Putin has even suggested Bush to include Russia into NATO. Can you believe in that now?!!

And what our Western "friends" done in turn? They have... expanded NATO to all countries of the former Warsaw Block. A very friendly step, isn't it?



Course it was a complete stupidity to trust into honesty of West. And this mistake cost a huge price for Russia, which is now literally surrounded by the enemy bases. Russia has slept in stupid dreams of friendship with the West too long. It's time to fix the situation. As we say here: it's better to do it later than never...

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Gets worse or simple returns back the old good multi-polar World? During the 90's the USA have uses to be a guy "I'm will to do everything". And now they believe this is a normal thing. Now, this is not. Have never before 90s and won't be in the future.

In 90's Russia has really believed that The US government are honest guys who can be our friend. We have closed our bases on Cuba and in Vietnam, have pulled our armies from Germany and Afghanistan. We have sufficiently reduces our military power, especially its nuclear component (100's of unique military space, laser and nuclear technologies were dumped). Putin has even suggested Bush to include Russia into NATO. Can you believe in that now?!!

And what our Western "friends" done in turn? They have expanded NATO to all countries from the former Warsaw Block.

Course it will be a complete stupidity to trust into honesty of West. And this mistake cost a huge price for Russia, which is now literally surrounded by enemy bases. Russia has slept in stupid dreams of friendship with the West too long. It's time to fix the situation. As we say here: it's better to do it later than never...

Why should Russia have any say in who joins NATO? - Those countries wanted it...

They obviously did try to influence the US elections - Was it to the extent some people are saying? - I don't know - That really is out of order and if Trump was involved in any way he should not be president.....

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Why should Russia have any say in who joins NATO? - Those countries wanted it...

Because it was an agreement between Gorbachev and Bush. Russia liberates Germany (destroys the Wall) and lefts Afghanistan alone. In return the USA promises to do not expand NATO to the East.

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

They obviously did try to influence the US elections

Perhaps they did, but who cares now? The USA are doing it all the time (mass propaganda, rigged elections, proxy wars and coups to install their puppet governments, assassinations of political leaders, bribes) and nobody blames them because "they can". Now, as I say above, the situation is changing and will change more and more, because the Bear is awaken...

P.S. China won't stand aside too. It's a 3rd power which has its own interests.

[EddyTheDog]

Because it was an agreement between Gorbachev and Bush. Russia liberates Germany (destroys the Wall) and lefts Afghanistan alone. In return the USA promises to do not expand NATO to the East.

Bush was in no position to make promises like that on behalf of NATO - Russia must have known that...

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Bush was in no position to make promises like that on behalf of NATO - Russia must have known that...

Are you really that naive or just trying to look so? These very negotiations that involved a big group of people such as Hans-Dietrich Genscher, Helmut Kohl, Douglas Hurd, James Baker and many more... When I say "Gorbachev" and "Bush" I don't mean they have decided that tet-a-tet while drinking beer in some pub.

P.S. Flowing to your logic, the president of Soviet Union Gorbachev was in no position to make any promises to the West regarding Russia. Simple because... Russia is not the Soviet Union, so all the agreements of that time can be broken by Russia at any time and nobody can blame us for that, right? We can always say: "That was promised by a president of another country, so we are not going to keep his word. Let's Soviet Union do it".

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Are you really that naive or just trying to look so? These very negotiations that involves a big group of people such as Hans-Dietrich Genscher, Helmut Kohl, Douglas Hurd, James Baker and many more... When I say "Gorbachev" and "Bush" I don't mean they have decided that tet-a-tet while drinking beer in some pub.

Surely it was Gorbachev that was naive...

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Surely it was Gorbachev that was naive...

He is not was naive. He gave the world 23 years without nuclear war. and we really paid the big price for that.

[2MuchMark]