Under 56? Republicans want to vote to cut your retirement Medicare

[Barry-xlovecam]

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Rep. Paul Ryan's new Medicare cutoff: 56 | TheHill

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) is pressing GOP centrists to accept a budget that would cut Medicare benefits for recipients who are now 56 years old.

The House Budget Committee chairman and 2012 GOP vice presidential candidate argues the change is necessary to help him produce a budget next week that balances within 10 years.

He also says that the change must be made and that it is better to adopt it now than next year, when Republicans will face voters in the midterm elections.

[directfiesta]

someone has to pay for those iyuge tax cuts ....

[Paul Markham]

Medicaid costs more because of the way the US Pharma industry rapes Americans.

NHE grew 5.8% to $3.2 trillion in 2015, or $9,990 per person, and accounted for 17.8% of Gross Domestic Product (GDP). Medicare spending grew 4.5% to $646.2 billion in 2015, or 20 percent of total NHE. Medicaid spending grew 9.7% to $545.1 billion in 2015, or 17 percent of total NHE.

So to balance the budget. Raise taxes or peg back the Pharm industry.

You're spending $1 trillion to look after 100 million.

The UK spends $190 billion. To look after 66 million. Blame both sides.

[Joshua G]

Oh great. Yesterdays victims of trump were veterans. Today, its medicare takers under 56.

Victims victims everywhere in liberal la la land.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Everyone under 56 is expected to fully fund their HSA tax differed or MSA tax differed accounts; understand the RMD benefits when they retire and the allowed disbursements from the accounts. LMAO

You will get old and die on the streets unless you are a high-paid worker or work for a large company that organizes this for you.

Welcome to the #trumpnation sponsored by the Republican Party

[onwebcam]

It says "that are now 56" not "under 56" just saying...

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Everyone under 56 is expected to fully fund their HSA tax differed or MSA tax differed accounts; understand the RMD benefits when they retire and the allowed disbursements from the accounts. LMAO

You will get old and die on the streets unless you are a high-paid worker or work for a large company that organizes this for you.

Welcome to the #trumpnation sponsored by the Republican Party

Pretty crazy!

I see a new sector opening for third party vendors to navigate/manage the new system for people, just like accountants, tax preparers etc.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

Oh great. Yesterdays victims of trump were veterans. Today, its medicare takers under 56.

Victims victims everywhere in liberal la la land.

As someone who sits around on his ass all day collecting disability you should be scared shitless..

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

It says "that are now 56" not "under 56" just saying...

The meaning is that if you are paying in now (Medicare payroll or SE tax), and are less than 56 years-of-age;
they want to change the benefits that you will receive when you retire and are eligible for Medicare (at 65).

SSI benefit with Medicare for the disabled are not stated nor are Medicare benefits for working persons caring for disabled persons.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

It says "that are now 56" not "under 56" just saying...

Do you think they are targeting 1 year of people? It's anyone who is 56 or under, the article didn't word it properly.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Pretty crazy!

I see a new sector opening for third party vendors to navigate/manage the new system for people, just like accountants, tax preparers etc.

https://20somethingfinance.com/best-hsa-account/
fucking nuts look at the fees for doing nothing and the shit interest they pay

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

The meaning is that if you are paying in now (Medicare payroll or SE tax), and are less than 56 years-of-age;
they want to change the benefits that you will receive when you retire and are eligible for Medicare (at 65).

SSI benefit with Medicare for the disabled are not stated nor are Medicare benefits for working persons caring for disabled persons.

So should taxes be raised to accommodate the extra costs for caring for elderly people who can't afford to pay?

Or just increase the budget to make the rich richer?

Or cut the huge costs of getting sick in the US?

So far none of you are addressing the reasons for this. It went on under Obama, Bush, Clinton and Bush before him. right back to the mid 50s.





All Presidents and Congresses have been working hard to make the rich richer in the US. Strange so many bitch about it now.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

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I wonder how high that red line will climb...

[Barry-xlovecam]

Americans get milked by doctors and hospitals -- but -- we can pay what ever it costs to try to live longer because some of us have lots of money.

We are getting ripped off and we know it.

It is against the laws here to nationalize businesses for public benefit without paying fair compensation. To nationalize the healthcare industry might cost the government $30 or $40 TRILLION (or even more).
The alternative is a dual system where the government buys and builds medical complexes and competes with private business -- that will be challenged in the courts "BIGLY" but Congress could pass a law that might stand and pass constitutional muster -- laws that can be proven to be in the public interest have good standing.

The vested interests are preventing this. If Trump was really a ''Man of the People'' he would put this on the table and push for it instead of wasting time and money building stupid walls to appease simple minded people

[Google Expert]

[bronco67]

You watch what happens...they're going to overreach and it's going to bite them in the ass in a big way. It's only been a few days and they're beginning their plan of dismantling the United States.

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Medicare should not be a thing

[Barry-xlovecam]

First ones to suffer are the ones on Medicaid no one gives a rats ass if the die.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Google "EXPERT" is great at licking ass. He cleans me up after I take a shit and asks if he can have a quarter-- fuck you and eat shit. EXPERT ASS LICKER!

[Barry-xlovecam]

Expert ass licker and johnny shit lips should go get a room.

[ruff]

Gotta pay for that wall so fuck Medicare.

[baddog]

I thought you guys were against things like medicare

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by bronco67

You watch what happens...they're going to overreach and it's going to bite them in the ass in a big way. It's only been a few days and they're beginning their plan of dismantling the United States.

Paul Ryan was real cocky this morning during his press conference With turtle head at the Philly GOP retreat. He kept cutting reporters off, shrugging things off and making excuses why their 100 day plan has been delayed to a 200 day plan. A lot of "Americans are suffering" "we're doing this to save America" as the cut healthcare, raise taxes, deregulate the banks, put hiring freezes on vets, etc.

They're doing too much too fast just like Obama did and their backlash in 2018 Will be deafening.

[kane]

Trump said over and over again during his campaign that he would not cut medicare, medicaid or social security.

If he goes against that and makes cuts, even if those cuts only affect people 56 and under, I think there will be hell to pay for it.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by kane

Trump said over and over again during his campaign that he would not cut medicare, medicaid or social security.

If he goes against that and makes cuts, even if those cuts only affect people 56 and under, I think there will be hell to pay for it.

There is literally nothing Trump could do that would cause the GFY simpletons to say Trump was wrong. Trump will blame the problem on someone else and they will take it hook line and sinker.

The right wing is like the braindead zombies of North Korea.. Their world is so sheltered from reality, they believe anything their supreme leader tells them.

Clear example:

Originally Posted by baddog

I thought you guys were against things like medicare

He doesn't even know what he's talking about, just rambles off some non-sense then runs away.. Likely ran off thinking, I showed them there liberals!

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

What has Trump been wrong about?

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by crockett

Clear example:

Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog View Post
I thought you guys were against things like medicare
He doesn't even know what he's talking about, just rambles off some non-sense then runs away.. Likely ran off thinking, I showed them there liberals!

Not sure what that was about ... Maybe, he was told that the libbies want to fuck old people over and The Republicans would protect you or some crazy shit? Someone who is 55 has paid in Medicare taxes for 30 years on his wages $500 to $4,000 (*or more) per year

The FICA tax is made up of the Social Security tax and the Medicare tax. The Social Security portion of the FICA payroll tax is currently 6.2% for employers and 4.2% for employees (calculated on the first $110,100 in wages in 2012). The employee portion of the tax rate will increase to 6.2% in 2013 unless congress votes to extend the current payroll tax cut. The social security wage base will increase to $113,700 in 2013. The Medicare portion of the FICA payroll tax for 2012 is 1.45% for both employees and employers.

https://www.bizcheckspayroll.com/med...ncome-earners/

If you are under 56 you will not be getting what you paid for

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Expert ass licker and johnny shit lips should go get a room.

I've had them block for a while. Same MO antagonistic negative one line posts and they add nothing to the conversation. A lot of energy saved by blocking him/them Accounts without locations, urls, etc are almost always fake nicks and/or timewasters

[thommy]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

I wonder how high that red line will climb...

ask mc donalds and burger king - they will have a forecast for sure

selling unhealthy cheap plastic food for high prices to people makes companies unbelievable rich - the problem is, when they get older they cost money in healthcare because they get sick from that shit.

the way out: don´t pay them healthcare when they get old and sick and let them die!

i think america gave the gardener´s job to the pest. the whole world would laugh about that comedy if there would not be the 51% of americans who did not want that. and that´s why the world doesn´t laugh on usa - we WORRY !

greetings
thommy

[Linkster]

I'm really surprised that no one actually read this - all it does is change the age from 55 to 56 which they knew they had to do within 2 years anyway...

The problem they have is that they can't sell that to their voters for the Mid Term election because they all campaigned on keeping the age at 55...and there are too many that will be having really close elections

This has nothing to do with cutting benefits - its just who funds the budget and what age they fund it at...you don't collect till you're in your 60's anyway

Trump won't like it at all...completely goes against what he campaigned on - and doesnt balance the Medicare budget for at least 10 years

[Barry-xlovecam]

barry@paragon-DS-7:~/temporary$ egrep -i 'cut|benefit' medicare-cut

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) is pressing GOP centrists to accept a budget that would cut Medicare benefits for recipients who are now 56 years old.
The problem for Ryan is that many Republicans have said his budget would not touch Medicare benefits for anyone who is already 55 years old. Members may have trouble supporting a measure that goes back on that commitment.
He explained that the baseline, which reflects January?s ?fiscal cliff? deal, which raised $600 billion in new tax revenue[*with budget cuts], meant benefits for those older than 56 would not have to be touched.
But he said that it was impossible not to change benefits for people now 56 and that Republicans could either adopt it as part of their budget now or next year.
Democrats fiercely attacked Ryan?s last budget, which only cut benefits for people who are now under 55 years old. But that budget also didn?t balance until 2040.
Meehan said he believed Ryan wanted to keep 55 the age at which people would see their Medicare benefits affected, which would allow the party a year to communicate the matter to voters.

barry@paragon-DS-7:~/temporary$

[Linkster]

Barry - the discussion here was misinterpreting it - as people that are 55 or 56 dont get benefits right now anyway - this wont affect them for 7 - 8 years down the road

[Barry-xlovecam]

This may be true in the alt universe.
The article was written incompetently -- that could cause this confusion
I am the guy Ryan is afraid of; I am 61 and vote -- my Medicare benefits will not be cut.

1. In the real Republican world persons who are under 56 will get lesser benefits when they get to the age of 65 and are eligible for Medicare.
   
2. A person who is now 56 to 64 will get full Medicare benefits when they get to the age of 65 and are eligible for Medicare -- so says Mr Ryan.

Everybody pays the same taxes.
Welcome to the underclass if you are less than 56 today.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Americans get milked by doctors and hospitals

We are getting ripped off and we know it.

It is against the laws here to nationalize businesses for public benefit without paying fair compensation. To nationalize the healthcare industry might cost the government $30 or $40 TRILLION (or even more).
The alternative is a dual system where the government buys and builds medical complexes and competes with private business -- that will be challenged in the courts "BIGLY" but Congress could pass a law that might stand and pass constitutional muster -- laws that can be proven to be in the public interest have good standing.

The vested interests are preventing this. If Trump was really a ''Man of the People'' he would put this on the table and push for it instead of wasting time and money building stupid walls to appease simple minded people

There already is a dual system, so building up the Medicare, Medicaid side is possible. The key is in importing skilled staff who will work for less or be exporting the work outside the US. That's been the US policy for decades and has reduced the costs of nearly everything you buy. Buying the Private Sector will be a lot cheaper once they lose their monopoly.

Paying for it is easy. Offer Americans a Healthcare plan that cost 60% of what the Private Sector costs. Especially when they know it covers the poor.

Building the Wall is a positive for the people who are being denied jobs or pay raises because of illegal migrants. Also, it will help reduce crime.

[Barry-xlovecam]

@Paul
I am glad we agree on something
But we can't cut healthcare costs by exporting citizens to be serviced in the low cost foreign healthcare outlets and then repatriate them.

• Hey poor slob: Your surgery is in India because of cost controls -- no fuckin' way that will fly. Your airfare there will cost you a kidney and the return trip will cost you an eyeball. Sign a waiver of liability any sign your consent form here.
• We cannot ask foreign medical professionals to work in the US without State Medical Examiner's Board licensure at substandard wages either.

But we could make it MFA (Medicare for all) we currently have this infrastructure working and build a dual service healthcare network of clinics and hospitals that are owed by the people, via the government. These facilities could compete as a real non profit entities, and be tax subsidized, by mandate.

Simply taking these steps might reduce healthcare costs by 35% and then contain costs at a levels accepted by the people and promulgated by administrative rules and enacted laws.

Medical personnel might accept lower wages if the government can create good and ethical working conditions for them.

You can always pay more and buy better private and/or elective medical services that you can afford. If you want your nose fixed or a boob job you have to pay now so what is the real difference?

1. Eliminating inflated prices for medical services.
2. Eliminating the cost of private insurance and the hidden costs of having medical insurance firms peddling stock and decisions being ROI and profit driven.
3. Eliminating these large for profit medical groups peddling stock and decisions being ROI and profit driven.

We could cut the profit motive out of the medical business and spend the savings creating a better country.

Oh noes! this is a socialist government. If you believe that, renounce your Social Security and your guaranteed Medicare benefits at retirement. We will expunge you from the system -- but no refunds. Get sick when you get old PAY for treatment or move into the nearest dumpster.