should i sell my website

[Analvillage1]

Hey guys, I've been working hard on this tube site for about a year now but I'm not really sure if I'm doing well or not. these are my monthly stats 10,435 sessions, 34,590 pageviews, 8,919 users and my bounce rate is 48.38% please let me know what you guys think of the stats I've been at this since Feb of last year it has been a fun ride but I haven't quite made any money. what do you think GFY should I sell or should I keep on plugging away. The link is in my sig if you wanna check it out

[j3rkules]

"I haven't quite made any money"

So you will not get much for that site either. I see you are embedding videos from other tube sites and you do not even change the titles and there is no unique content whatsoever. No wonder you do not get much love from Google. You should prioritize quality over quantity. Have a good luck.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by jerkules

"I haven't quite made any money"

So you will not get much for that site either. I see you are embedding videos from other tube sites and you do not even change the titles and there is no unique content whatsoever. No wonder you do not get much love from Google. You should prioritize quality over quantity. Have a good luck.

ya what he said

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[Creatine]

Honestly I would leave the adult niche while you can.

I run the website xFapZilla.com, Femdo.me, and xCatt.com and youfap.co I waste at least 5 hours per day posting on them.

Here's what 100,000 visitors will get you.


I started another website, it's basically Reddit.com mixed with buzzfeed.com.
The new site I launched is called UpVoat.com

Here's what about 1,000 views on Google Adsense pays.




Imagine if instead of wasting my time on the porn tube sites If I got 100,000 visitors to UpVoat?

Everyday i'm sitting here trying to post at least 100 videos to my tube sites per day making NOTHINGG. I think I might be insane.

I thought about shutting them down many times, every night as I go to bed I think about if it's even worth it.


I don't know what to do anymore. I really need to make a decision but it's hard to let go. I already have over 4,000 videos posted on the tubes.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Creatine

Honestly I would leave the adult niche while you can.

I run the website xFapZilla.com, Femdo.me, and xCatt.com and youfap.co I waste at least 5 hours per day posting on them.

Imagine if instead of wasting my time on the porn tube sites If I got 100,000 visitors to UpVoat?

Everyday i'm sitting here trying to post at least 100 videos to my tube sites per day making NOTHINGG. I think I might be insane.

nice stats man.

there are many problems with tubes, but one of the main problems is that a tube isn't a business model. it worked out for a few corporate tubes with large staff, but small tube operations are not a good business.

tubes ARE a great traffic magnet. they should be built or operated as a marketing resource, not a revenue source. people who try to make money on their marketing tools have got it all wrong. build tubes to funnel traffic to your paysites. that's their only real use today.

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[thommy]

Originally Posted by Creatine

Honestly I would leave the adult niche while you can.

I run the website xFapZilla.com, Femdo.me, and xCatt.com and youfap.co I waste at least 5 hours per day posting on them.

Here's what 100,000 visitors will get you.


I started another website, it's basically Reddit.com mixed with buzzfeed.com.
The new site I launched is called UpVoat.com

Here's what about 1,000 views on Google Adsense pays.




Imagine if instead of wasting my time on the porn tube sites If I got 100,000 visitors to UpVoat?

Everyday i'm sitting here trying to post at least 100 videos to my tube sites per day making NOTHINGG. I think I might be insane.

I thought about shutting them down many times, every night as I go to bed I think about if it's even worth it.


I don't know what to do anymore. I really need to make a decision but it's hard to let go. I already have over 4,000 videos posted on the tubes.

i try to figure out where i can find 100 K visitors in your stats. maybe i missunderstand what you have posted but as far as i see these are adimpressions in the first stat and in the second pageimpressions. as you have 6 ads on each page and estimated 3-4 pageviews per user the first stat would show aproximately 4000 unique users and not 100.000.

correct me if i am wrong

greetings
thommy

[Denny]

You would need to find a buyer first which could be quite difficult as your site doesn't make any money at all.

[Creatine]

Originally Posted by thommy

i try to figure out where i can find 100 K visitors in your stats. maybe i missunderstand what you have posted but as far as i see these are adimpressions in the first stat and in the second pageimpressions. as you have 6 ads on each page and estimated 3-4 pageviews per user the first stat would show aproximately 4000 unique users and not 100.000.

correct me if i am wrong

greetings
thommy

You're a bit confused. The second image shows stats for a whole different website, a non adult website.

Here, i'll explain better.

Here is the AD Impression stats for the sites Femdo.me, xCatt.com, xFapZilla.com, & YouFap.co, all combined.


Now here's the Google Analytics, actual pageviews.

YouFap.co - Biggest site for me.


xFapZilla.com


xCatt.com


Femdo.me



Each tube site I run has over 6 ads per video page.

Here's the ad setup.




I copied some of the bigger tube when placing ads, theres a video ad, sidebar ads,above comment ad and footer ads.

So I think the stats is a little more than 4,000 unique visitors.


Now in comparison, here's the stats to a NON-ADULT WEBSITE UpVoat.com. It's Reddit, mixed with BuzzFeed basically.


Here's the earnings for upvoat.com




It's a lot less(about 20 cents per day), but consider how much less views/clicks the website has.

Here's my ad placements for upvoat.com





Now what can we make from this data?
Well I spent about 5+ hours per day on the tubes, I try to post at least 100 videos per day to all the sites.

I also try to do a full porn movie to xFapZilla - Free Porn SEX Movies & High Quality Streams
At least 2 comics per day xFapZilla – Adult, Sex, Porn Comics & Magazines
And 1 porn story - xFapZilla - Adult Stories & Erotica

If I put the same amount of work into a non-adult site I would probably make much more than what I do right now.


I do not know why I still do it, I'm going to think about shutting them down. I'm just following a dream which is reckless in business I think.

Any advice is welcome because i'm in a similar boat as the OP. I don't know if I should continue with this or shut it down.

[thommy]

ahh that is what i thought - what made me cofused was your sentence

Here's what 100,000 visitors will get you.

because ad impressions are not visitors.

but i think you both have quite the same problem with your tubes and i think that is a result of a basicly wrong way to generate traffic.

i know tonns of german sites what have more than 10 K english speaking users daily on them but they do not even optimize on english language or even have the sites in english. this users are going there because this pages are perfectly made for google rankings and user satisfaction and getting 500 - 800 k UNIQUE VISITORS only from the 3 german speaking countries (PER DAY) and all from google, bing and yahoo.

i was investigating a bit in the past few month how this "international market" is generating users and make them to money and found out that there are standards around what can not work.

most common error is that thousands of webmasters are thinking they have a million users on their websites. but fact is that most of this traffic is simple circle jerk traffic.
if you send 1 million unique users on 1000 different websites does not mean that you have now 1 billion users (what would be the fact if you count the numbers of every single webmaster). these are STILL THE SAME MILLION users and they have the limited buying power of 1 million individuals. you can circle them as much as you want - it does not make their wallet bigger.

all what i can read about SEO here is buying links and and exchange traffic.

that is a method what does not work anymore.
it might not destroy your position (if you are lucky) but it will not push you anywhere when the onpage SEO does not makes sense.
i do not say that you do not need links but you do not need many of them and you need to place them smart.

if i look on your or similar sites there are so many SEO-nogos what will never attract google that i think your problem is exactly there and not in the hours you invest to make this sites working.

google is really not a mystery - you can read nearly all what is nessecary in their own giving informations. who made google complicated have been the SEOs and linksellers who make you think you need them.

the point is that everybody copies from the other including mistakes - everbody is running after public formulas what can´t work either. this market is so open as i have never seen a market before. google rankings are mostly so fragil, that you see every day how sites going on top and then lose rankings again. that means there is nothing strong existing.

if you watch the rankings in the google country searches you will see a totally different picture. and that´s because these markets are limited and webmasters do not have other possibilities to get traffic as from google and co that´s why they learned to understand google.

i have not deep looked into your sites and i do not even know what site the threadstarter talks about but there are really a lot of basic mistakes on them even when they look optically really nice.

greetings
thommy

[bns666]

good luck selling site which makes no monies

[Creatine]

Originally Posted by thommy

ahh that is what i thought - what made me cofused was your sentence



because ad impressions are not visitors.

but i think you both have quite the same problem with your tubes and i think that is a result of a basicly wrong way to generate traffic.

i know tonns of german sites what have more than 10 K english speaking users daily on them but they do not even optimize on english language or even have the sites in english. this users are going there because this pages are perfectly made for google rankings and user satisfaction and getting 500 - 800 k UNIQUE VISITORS only from the 3 german speaking countries (PER DAY) and all from google, bing and yahoo.

i was investigating a bit in the past few month how this "international market" is generating users and make them to money and found out that there are standards around what can not work.

most common error is that thousands of webmasters are thinking they have a million users on their websites. but fact is that most of this traffic is simple circle jerk traffic.
if you send 1 million unique users on 1000 different websites does not mean that you have now 1 billion users (what would be the fact if you count the numbers of every single webmaster). these are STILL THE SAME MILLION users and they have the limited buying power of 1 million individuals. you can circle them as much as you want - it does not make their wallet bigger.

all what i can read about SEO here is buying links and and exchange traffic.

that is a method what does not work anymore.
it might not destroy your position (if you are lucky) but it will not push you anywhere when the onpage SEO does not makes sense.
i do not say that you do not need links but you do not need many of them and you need to place them smart.

if i look on your or similar sites there are so many SEO-nogos what will never attract google that i think your problem is exactly there and not in the hours you invest to make this sites working.

google is really not a mystery - you can read nearly all what is nessecary in their own giving informations. who made google complicated have been the SEOs and linksellers who make you think you need them.

the point is that everybody copies from the other including mistakes - everbody is running after public formulas what can´t work either. this market is so open as i have never seen a market before. google rankings are mostly so fragil, that you see every day how sites going on top and then lose rankings again. that means there is nothing strong existing.

if you watch the rankings in the google country searches you will see a totally different picture. and that´s because these markets are limited and webmasters do not have other possibilities to get traffic as from google and co that´s why they learned to understand google.

i have not deep looked into your sites and i do not even know what site the threadstarter talks about but there are really a lot of basic mistakes on them even when they look optically really nice.

greetings
thommy

I appreciate the response again.
You're right I have never looked into SEO at all.

I think it would be difficult to out rank the pornhub network, xvideos, xhamster, etc. The competition is brutal in the porn/adult tube industry.
I don't know if good content is enough anymore. There are 1,000's of porn tube sites and more being built every day.

ThePornDude has over 100 porn tubes listed here: https://theporndude.com/top-porn-tube-sites
I went to each one and looked at how many videos t hey have and their stats on similarweb.com
It's pretty crazy to think it's even possible to compete with some of them.


I work hard on promoting my sites. I have twitter accounts, as well as tumblr pages and I'm getting upvotes on reddit for the full porn movies.

Here's some of my twitter pages
https://twitter.com/xFapZilla
https://twitter.com/xcattcom
https://twitter.com/femdo_me

You can go here on reddit for full porn movies: https://www.reddit.com/r/FullNSFWMovies/

A lot of the movies are from xFapZilla(My site)


I do not think the sites are bad in anyway, I'm working on link building and social media etc. I think the competition is just cut-throat brutal as hell. To stay competitive I need to come up with a way to automate posting, or let other people post to the sites and monetize videos or something...Because me posting 100 vudeos per day is not enough to compete with pornhub/xvideos which probably gets 1,000's of new videos everyday.

[myleene]

Your business model is wrong and the only one making bank are your ad networks.

You could easily do 100x more in mainstream or by working on your marketing.

[wankawonk]

Originally Posted by plsureking

nice stats man.

there are many problems with tubes, but one of the main problems is that a tube isn't a business model. it worked out for a few corporate tubes with large staff, but small tube operations are not a good business.

tubes ARE a great traffic magnet. they should be built or operated as a marketing resource, not a revenue source. people who try to make money on their marketing tools have got it all wrong. build tubes to funnel traffic to your paysites. that's their only real use today.

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Most of the top tubes don't actually own paysites. That's really just a mindgeek thing. In fact most of the top tubes send their traffic to mindgeek paysites.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by wankawonk

Most of the top tubes don't actually own paysites. That's really just a mindgeek thing. In fact most of the top tubes send their traffic to mindgeek paysites.

i cant plan and advise based on exceptions to the rules

there's 250k tubes and maybe 100 earn a profit. the others need a purpose in life.

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[thommy]

Originally Posted by myleene

Your business model is wrong and the only one making bank are your ad networks.

i think they also not happy with that revenue because circle traffic is not making any result and the only thing they can expect here is a further drop of the CPMs.

You could easily do 100x more in mainstream or by working on your marketing.

it is not easy to find any product in mainstrem what can bring you that much people on a website.
although the number of competitors is 100 times bigger - so it is not easier to make money in mainstream.

as you see in the answer creatine is doing exactly what i suspected - she is doing what all are doing and that is a copy of the wrong strategy.

Originally Posted by Creatine

I think it would be difficult to out rank the pornhub network, xvideos, xhamster, etc. The competition is brutal in the porn/adult tube industry.
I don't know if good content is enough anymore. There are 1,000's of porn tube sites and more being built every day.

if you want to beat them in the big (unsharp) keys you might have a hard life - but if you understand google you would be even able to use the power of this tubes to get into a good position.

but before you can do that you should think about the baic concept of your site what does not fit this needs. the good thing on that is that 99,9999 % of all others are concepted the same wrong way and THAT could be your advantage.

greetings
thommy

[Creatine]

You act like it's so simple to manipulate Google. There are people on BlackHatWorld.com that make it their mission to try to manipulate the rankings.

If you have the magic answer please, feel free to not be vague about it.

I do not think there's any magic SEO trick, if there was GFY wouldn't be complaining about earnings. I see people all the time complaining about how tough it is.


I think there are two main ingredients to porn tubes.
Age+Large mount of content.


I looked through hundreds of porn tubes with good rankings, most of them have over 100,000 videos
Just look at this list: https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/category/adult
Or this list:
https://theporndude.com/top-porn-tube-sites


Most of these sites have hundreds of thousands of videeos.


The thing is you can't just import 100,000 videos into your wordpress blog all embeded. That will be duplicate content on top of that you need time for google to index it all and rank it higher as your site ages.


You need huge numbers + aged site.


I think i'm just a bit impatient.

We all want our sites to get big right away but it really can take some time.

I think that's why i'm not going to shut the sites down. I'm going to manage my time better instead, i'll dedciate 2 hours per day on the porn tub sites and the rest of my time will go towards mainstram because I do think mainstream is so much easier. I can promote mainstream sites on facebook, twitter, google+ etc without worry about bans.

My site upvoat also gets retweets/shares on facebook constantly which is helping. The porn twitter accounts not as much.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Creatine

You act like it's so simple to manipulate Google. There are people on BlackHatWorld.com that make it their mission to try to manipulate the rankings.

no it is the opposite of black hat. no manipulation or tricks at all

If you have the magic answer please, feel free to not be vague about it.

lol - i knew you would aks me that...

I do not think there's any magic SEO trick, if there was GFY wouldn't be complaining about earnings. I see people all the time complaining about how tough it is.

you are talking about 2 different things. earnings and trafficgeneration have seperate rules even if one is going hand in hand with the other.

I think there are two main ingredients to porn tubes.
Age+Large mount of content.

content matters - thats true but not the ammount
age CAN matter but it is not a MUST

I looked through hundreds of porn tubes with good rankings, most of them have over 100,000 videos
Just look at this list: https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/category/adult
Or this list:
https://theporndude.com/top-porn-tube-sites


Most of these sites have hundreds of thousands of videeos.

the most important information you see already right from the sitenames.
it is the usage !!!
google is not so stupid anymore to rely on links. they have hundertmillions of users what are logged in at google somewhere - either in mail, youtube or what other free service google have.

with this users they have the BEST tool to prove if you content is worth it or the link you set is honest.

so no - no blackhat - just what google tells you is the way.

greetings
thommy

The thing is you can't just import 100,000 videos into your wordpress blog all embeded. That will be duplicate content on top of that you need time for google to index it all and rank it higher as your site ages.


You need huge numbers + aged site.


I think i'm just a bit impatient.

We all want our sites to get big right away but it really can take some time.

I think that's why i'm not going to shut the sites down. I'm going to manage my time better instead, i'll dedciate 2 hours per day on the porn tub sites and the rest of my time will go towards mainstram because I do think mainstream is so much easier. I can promote mainstream sites on facebook, twitter, google+ etc without worry about bans.

My site upvoat also gets retweets/shares on facebook constantly which is helping. The porn twitter accounts not as much.[/QUOTE]

[videosc]

Creatine, thanks for your posts. I am in the same boat as you, spending hours on adult blogs with virtually nothing to show for it. I'd love to do mainstream sites but I have no idea what topics I'd do that would be popular. Its sad to say but my passion has always been porn so that's why I got into this. But like you I often feel like just walking away and trying something else. Heck, I'm no where near making minimum wage for my adult blogging work so I might as well get a job at McDonalds.

[Creatine]

Originally Posted by videosc

Creatine, thanks for your posts. I am in the same boat as you, spending hours on adult blogs with virtually nothing to show for it. I'd love to do mainstream sites but I have no idea what topics I'd do that would be popular. Its sad to say but my passion has always been porn so that's why I got into this. But like you I often feel like just walking away and trying something else. Heck, I'm no where near making minimum wage for my adult blogging work so I might as well get a job at McDonalds.

I feel your pain brother. Porn is a fun niche, and I dream about having a network like the pornhub network.

But these people above saying "you need do SEO better" etc are sending you false dreams.


Yea the statistics of online porn is insane, I think we have all seen those info graphics on porn.




The fact is though this business is the most competitive business on the earth and it's being dominated by a few large companies that will eat up any competition in their path.

The business is also destroying itself. These porn tubes show all this content for free, paysites no longer advertise because they're not getting sales which means the porn tubes don't make much money either and it's a full circle.

Just recently a fairly large website with millions of viistors called YobT.com shut down. I imagine it's because it's just not profitable/worth wasting time doing this.

There's a GFY post about it here: https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...-yobt-com.html


My recommendation. Don't quit completely, just dedicate less time to the porn sites and try to branch out into mainstream.

that's what i'm doing. I'm running UpVoat.com and a few other mainstream sites I do not want to name on here.
But the bottom line is branch out.


There's money in mainstream, that's for sure.

I read about a site called ViralNova.com which made millions of dollars with clickbait syle articles and facebook.

Here's the articles on it, they're worth reading:
$100,000 in One Week, a Viral Nova Follow-Up


It's what made me start UpVoat. The niche is a bit competitive now but i'm going to try it and see how it goes.

[thommy]

i do not completely agree with you because there is a BASIC point in all of that what clears most of your facts in a very simple and logic way.

1. porn as it is done from most webasters here is nothing else than pushing visitors from one site to the other.

now i want you to calculate the following:

lets say 100 users leaded somehow to 50 different domains of 50 different webmaster (no matter if the just open one site and leave - or watching a few pages or even get redirected with the next click to again another site) than each of this 50 webmasters have 100 uniques on his domain multiplied by 50 = 5000 unique users in 50 different stats of 50 different webmasters.

the usual average buying power (for porn) from 5000 different users is approximately at 100 US in average.

but we do not have 5000 users in that race - there are only 100 in fact - so divide the average buying power of 100 US by 50 and you are at 2 US.

this 2 US is the BUYING POWER, what means this is not what a webmaster can earnt, because it includes costs for the sold product, payment costs and a few other costs. so from this 2 US there will be paid out 1 US maximum.

now divide this 1 US by the number of unique vistors we have in that game - means 1:5000 = 0,0002 US per "virtual unique" or 0,02 US eCPM.

that explains all what is happening here and as more this traffic is redirected and subredirected as lower is the endresult.

when webmasters going mainstream, there are no such circle jerks and toplist options. it means the user have to be generated at the source (google, facebook etc).
what leads to a very other quality of user because that one is the ONE and not the one who was already 50 times the one.

that fact makes mainstream optically more profitable but in fact, if you just count it on the REAL NUMBER OF UNIQUE VISITORS it is not.

so the problem is not the product and not the adultbiz - the problem is that people can´t count and calculate. that is the neverending fairytale with what multilevel marketing systems and ponzi schemes do find idiots enough since centuries because people do not have a clue of business calculation based on true numbers.

webmasters what are able to make such a calculation and react on that are able to make 50-100 times more profit from their visitors.

that explains also the fairytale, that niche products would make a higher profit. infact they DO NOT. they make a much lower profit if you calculate it on TRUE numbers.
TRUE numbers means always that you have to count the number of INDIVIDUAL USERS because only whyt THEY have in their wallet can be made.

so the error is not in the economy - the error is based on a completely nonsense marketing strategy what is founded, copied and subcopied by people who are trying to survive in a business market without having even a little plan of economiy and calculation rules. ther was a time when that worked just because nobody did it better. but this time is passed since years and it will not come back by just multiply the old errors.

so just do in adult the same as you have to do in mainstream: get the user right away and don´t try to make profit from him after he went through 100 hands.
think in INDIVIDUALS and not in traffic numbers and find the right way to show that to the search engines (SEO does not mean to trick them but show them in what you are good).

the game is VERY simple when you are able to cut out all this bullshit fairytale-strategies made by "1-brain-cell-marketers" - they only work for them if they find people what are even more stupid - but they do not work for the people who believe in them.

you really do not have to be albert einstein and you do not even need a calculator to see where facts can´t be facts. you just need a normal healthy brain.

greetings
thommy

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by thommy

so just do in adult the same as you have to do in mainstream: get the user right away and don´t try to make profit from him after he went through 100 hands.

hey thommy your whole post was great, especially your explanation of dilution. the part quoted above is the key. i mention this a few times a year when paysite owners want to start their own tubes.

once a surfer hits the tubes, a paysite sale is basically lost. as soon as they start clicking around tubes, there's little chance of seeing a credit card. there's too much free porn.

get them early (ie from social or email) and keep them on your sites.

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[thommy]

Originally Posted by plsureking

hey thommy your whole post was great, especially your explanation of dilution. the part quoted above is the key. i mention this a few times a year when paysite owners want to start their own tubes.

once a surfer hits the tubes, a paysite sale is basically lost. as soon as they start clicking around tubes, there's little chance of seeing a credit card. there's too much free porn.

get them early (ie from social or email) and keep them on your sites.

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thank you for understanding my points.

and yes you are also right with "there is too much free porn" but that is another issue and a different thinking-circle to get a solution for that.

up to here we all thought that we can sell only porn to porn users, but that is not true.
all porn users are in fact consumers of all exiting products in the world. porn is just the cheese to attract the mice.

to make a solution out of that idea you have to go far deeper into other problems of this industry - look this problems straight into their eyes and get rid of them.

but as i said - that is another an much longer story.

greetings
thommy

[Daniel BongaCash]

Suppose it would be difficult to find someone who will be interested in buying it

[Creatine]

Originally Posted by thommy

i do not completely agree with you because there is a BASIC point in all of that what clears most of your facts in a very simple and logic way.

1. porn as it is done from most webasters here is nothing else than pushing visitors from one site to the other.

now i want you to calculate the following:

lets say 100 users leaded somehow to 50 different domains of 50 different webmaster (no matter if the just open one site and leave - or watching a few pages or even get redirected with the next click to again another site) than each of this 50 webmasters have 100 uniques on his domain multiplied by 50 = 5000 unique users in 50 different stats of 50 different webmasters.

the usual average buying power (for porn) from 5000 different users is approximately at 100 US in average.

but we do not have 5000 users in that race - there are only 100 in fact - so divide the average buying power of 100 US by 50 and you are at 2 US.

this 2 US is the BUYING POWER, what means this is not what a webmaster can earnt, because it includes costs for the sold product, payment costs and a few other costs. so from this 2 US there will be paid out 1 US maximum.

now divide this 1 US by the number of unique vistors we have in that game - means 1:5000 = 0,0002 US per "virtual unique" or 0,02 US eCPM.

that explains all what is happening here and as more this traffic is redirected and subredirected as lower is the endresult.

when webmasters going mainstream, there are no such circle jerks and toplist options. it means the user have to be generated at the source (google, facebook etc).
what leads to a very other quality of user because that one is the ONE and not the one who was already 50 times the one.

that fact makes mainstream optically more profitable but in fact, if you just count it on the REAL NUMBER OF UNIQUE VISITORS it is not.

so the problem is not the product and not the adultbiz - the problem is that people can´t count and calculate. that is the neverending fairytale with what multilevel marketing systems and ponzi schemes do find idiots enough since centuries because people do not have a clue of business calculation based on true numbers.

webmasters what are able to make such a calculation and react on that are able to make 50-100 times more profit from their visitors.

that explains also the fairytale, that niche products would make a higher profit. infact they DO NOT. they make a much lower profit if you calculate it on TRUE numbers.
TRUE numbers means always that you have to count the number of INDIVIDUAL USERS because only whyt THEY have in their wallet can be made.

so the error is not in the economy - the error is based on a completely nonsense marketing strategy what is founded, copied and subcopied by people who are trying to survive in a business market without having even a little plan of economiy and calculation rules. ther was a time when that worked just because nobody did it better. but this time is passed since years and it will not come back by just multiply the old errors.

so just do in adult the same as you have to do in mainstream: get the user right away and don´t try to make profit from him after he went through 100 hands.
think in INDIVIDUALS and not in traffic numbers and find the right way to show that to the search engines (SEO does not mean to trick them but show them in what you are good).

the game is VERY simple when you are able to cut out all this bullshit fairytale-strategies made by "1-brain-cell-marketers" - they only work for them if they find people what are even more stupid - but they do not work for the people who believe in them.

you really do not have to be albert einstein and you do not even need a calculator to see where facts can´t be facts. you just need a normal healthy brain.

greetings
thommy

Hey thommy I have some difficulties understanding this, from what i'm picking up you're saying the traffic actually converts well. But it's just all bounced around among tube sites which creates lower CPM's and less profits?

If that is the case inst that just due to the niche being crowded/competitive? With all of these WordPress insta tube site builders etc.


It would also mean the advertising networks are making big $$ and giving pennies to everyone signed up with them except for the few with large amounts of traffic.


I'm not sure what the solution to this would be. I don't know the first thing about SEO or how to market a porn site. I can't really share my porn tubs on facebook with friends & family.
Back in the days from what I remember SEO involved back link building etc. I'm not sure if that's still the case.

What what I'm seeing SEO is basically dead, nowadays all the rage is on private blog networks etc.


I think i'm going to completely pull all of the advertising from my sites. Fuck it. 4$ per month is not worth it, I'd rather provide a better user experience.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Creatine

Hey thommy I have some difficulties understanding this, from what i'm picking up you're saying the traffic actually converts well. But it's just all bounced around among tube sites which creates lower CPM's and less profits?

it is mostly not even bounced around the tubesites. it is bounced around many sites it hese are "toplists" or "galleries" or whatever junksite what get´s only traffic FROM such ressources and many many more

If that is the case inst that just due to the niche being crowded/competitive? With all of these WordPress insta tube site builders etc.

no matter HOW crowded the internt is - in google is just ONE first page and that where is a user usually starts his tour.

It would also mean the advertising networks are making big $$ and giving pennies to everyone signed up with them except for the few with large amounts of traffic.

that´s also not true - th enetworks do not make the big part of what advertisers spend - the point is that advertisers are never able to pay more as they can make on advertisement.

99% of all ads i see around are CPM ads and webmasters do usually hide them in the footer or put such a lot of them, that the traffic from there loses a lot of value.

it is still the same count - if you have 2 ads on a page or 10 it ist still only ONE user who can see them. worse when this ads are on sites where blind clicks are used for trafficexchange stuff. this user is gobe before he had the chance to click but the advertiser have to pay this impression.

no - the mainproblem are definetly NOT the networks - the mainproblem are the webmasters who want to make money with ads but do not want a user clicks there.

beside that you have to see another point. an advertiser who works with CPM have to look at least that the source he use is matching his product as good as possible. that leads to the nonsense that cams want to promote on camseites and dating on datingsites. they will NEVER have the chance to make any money from anything else. but do you really belive that a potential ccambuyer is ONLY on cam related sites? how does he get there when he is new and never heard about it?

this is why i personally would not use and not offer CPM to anybody. i think the one and only real value we have in compare to the "regular media" is the user action and this is the click.

I'm not sure what the solution to this would be. I don't know the first thing about SEO or how to market a porn site. I can't really share my porn tubs on facebook with friends & family.

well i think you do not make your pornsites for your family. and yes it is quite impossible to spread porn on facebook. that´s why i prefer the good old searchengines. social media in porn is a step what you should try when you are at the limit with searchengines

Back in the days from what I remember SEO involved back link building etc. I'm not sure if that's still the case.

it is in fact VERY easy because SEO does not work any different as advertisement.
if you set a link just to be there it is senseless.
if you set a link what get clicks but no following usage, you made something wrong. maybe your message caused another expectation or the target site did not show right away, that the user is where he wanted.
so when you set a link think what can work and what do you REALLY have.

if your links and your traffic to your site is not producing ondomain pageviews and holding time you have the wrong traffic and the wrong adverstisement (a link IS adverisement)

i won a bet a few month ago with an advertiser who wanted to buy gay traffic from me. but in our network of 6500 domains is NOT ONE gaysite.
the guy made a banner with the following phrase:

ARE YOU GAY or DO YOU WANT TO BECOME ONE ???

and this ads where ONLY shown on mainstream porn sites and they are still running on a quite high CPC and I won the bet.

What what I'm seeing SEO is basically dead, nowadays all the rage is on private blog networks etc.

well you can do all that and write blogarticles and more but at the end you have to have REAL users who like your content somehow.

google does not react on spamlinks anymore because the have the possibility to follow users and do not have to trust in links. but IF a link is followed by users AND this surfer is USING the site he has clicked on THAN a link is a positive one and google will try to reproduce "your advertising strategy" (what means your linktext or key) in their own listings.

that will take a while and can also not be tricked out, because google is testing this keys on just a few users first. you will never know when where and to who your result will be shown - that is googles secret.
and as you will not look behind this secret the one and only way is to make websites attractive.

I think i'm going to completely pull all of the advertising from my sites. Fuck it. 4$ per month is not worth it, I'd rather provide a better user experience.

well i was just roughly going over your sites and what i saw there first is that you also hide the banners. too many of them in the footer and too many fakeads because of CPM.

i tell you what:
chose your BEST and most prominent places
write over the ad fat ADVERTISEMENT
cut out all banners in the footer for now (later you can put one or 2
work with CPC or choose banners from programms and set them up. but look that the banner is EXACTLY matching with what is behind
DO NOT use links with landingpagerotations or shit like that - because you will never know what worked and what not
promote there WHATEVER YOU WANT and do not think that nichesurfers are buying nothing else than that.

and than see what will happen.
and if you are still making 4 US per month with that you either did something wrong or you should never listen again to me and call me names.

but if you make 10 or 12 dollar with your existing traffic than your next goal should be to change the trafficsources and multiple this concept with REAL users.

greetings
thommy

[Creatine]

Originally Posted by thommy

it is mostly not even bounced around the tubesites. it is bounced around many sites it hese are "toplists" or "galleries" or whatever junksite what get´s only traffic FROM such ressources and many many more



no matter HOW crowded the internt is - in google is just ONE first page and that where is a user usually starts his tour.



that´s also not true - th enetworks do not make the big part of what advertisers spend - the point is that advertisers are never able to pay more as they can make on advertisement.

99% of all ads i see around are CPM ads and webmasters do usually hide them in the footer or put such a lot of them, that the traffic from there loses a lot of value.

it is still the same count - if you have 2 ads on a page or 10 it ist still only ONE user who can see them. worse when this ads are on sites where blind clicks are used for trafficexchange stuff. this user is gobe before he had the chance to click but the advertiser have to pay this impression.

no - the mainproblem are definetly NOT the networks - the mainproblem are the webmasters who want to make money with ads but do not want a user clicks there.

beside that you have to see another point. an advertiser who works with CPM have to look at least that the source he use is matching his product as good as possible. that leads to the nonsense that cams want to promote on camseites and dating on datingsites. they will NEVER have the chance to make any money from anything else. but do you really belive that a potential ccambuyer is ONLY on cam related sites? how does he get there when he is new and never heard about it?

this is why i personally would not use and not offer CPM to anybody. i think the one and only real value we have in compare to the "regular media" is the user action and this is the click.



well i think you do not make your pornsites for your family. and yes it is quite impossible to spread porn on facebook. that´s why i prefer the good old searchengines. social media in porn is a step what you should try when you are at the limit with searchengines



it is in fact VERY easy because SEO does not work any different as advertisement.
if you set a link just to be there it is senseless.
if you set a link what get clicks but no following usage, you made something wrong. maybe your message caused another expectation or the target site did not show right away, that the user is where he wanted.
so when you set a link think what can work and what do you REALLY have.

if your links and your traffic to your site is not producing ondomain pageviews and holding time you have the wrong traffic and the wrong adverstisement (a link IS adverisement)

i won a bet a few month ago with an advertiser who wanted to buy gay traffic from me. but in our network of 6500 domains is NOT ONE gaysite.
the guy made a banner with the following phrase:

ARE YOU GAY or DO YOU WANT TO BECOME ONE ???

and this ads where ONLY shown on mainstream porn sites and they are still running on a quite high CPC and I won the bet.



well you can do all that and write blogarticles and more but at the end you have to have REAL users who like your content somehow.

google does not react on spamlinks anymore because the have the possibility to follow users and do not have to trust in links. but IF a link is followed by users AND this surfer is USING the site he has clicked on THAN a link is a positive one and google will try to reproduce "your advertising strategy" (what means your linktext or key) in their own listings.

that will take a while and can also not be tricked out, because google is testing this keys on just a few users first. you will never know when where and to who your result will be shown - that is googles secret.
and as you will not look behind this secret the one and only way is to make websites attractive.



well i was just roughly going over your sites and what i saw there first is that you also hide the banners. too many of them in the footer and too many fakeads because of CPM.

i tell you what:
chose your BEST and most prominent places
write over the ad fat ADVERTISEMENT
cut out all banners in the footer for now (later you can put one or 2
work with CPC or choose banners from programms and set them up. but look that the banner is EXACTLY matching with what is behind
DO NOT use links with landingpagerotations or shit like that - because you will never know what worked and what not
promote there WHATEVER YOU WANT and do not think that nichesurfers are buying nothing else than that.

and than see what will happen.
and if you are still making 4 US per month with that you either did something wrong or you should never listen again to me and call me names.

but if you make 10 or 12 dollar with your existing traffic than your next goal should be to change the trafficsources and multiple this concept with REAL users.

greetings
thommy

Thank you the reply Thommy,

I analogize if I came off insulting. I'm just a bit tired of putting in work and seeing little ot no results.

I'm going to follow your advice, I removed the footer and comment ads. I'm going to keep 1 ad in the video, and instead of having 3 separate 300x250 ad codes I'll have 1 300x600 ad in the sidebar.

I have one more question i'm wondering if you can help me with.
Do you think it's good to have 3 separate tubes? Or is it better to put it all under 1 site?

I'm thinking of shutting down xFapZilla and transferring the videos to xCatt and focus on xCatt.com and Femdo.me. That way it won't be as spread out.

Do you think this is a good decision? Or should I stick with the 3 separate sites and work on all of them? The reason why I have 3 sites is because I was kind of copying the pornhub network thing but they're a massive company and i'm 1 guy. I can see my mistake here now.

Would love to hear what you think about this.

Again I appreciate you taking to the time to give your expertise. You seem like you know what you're talking about.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Creatine

Thank you the reply Thommy,

I analogize if I came off insulting. I'm just a bit tired of putting in work and seeing little ot no results.

I'm going to follow your advice, I removed the footer and comment ads. I'm going to keep 1 ad in the video, and instead of having 3 separate 300x250 ad codes I'll have 1 300x600 ad in the sidebar.

as long they are visible and users know that it is a banner what they see there that can only be positive for you because trafficquality really matters and you will see it shortly on the bids you get on your spots.

I have one more question i'm wondering if you can help me with.
Do you think it's good to have 3 separate tubes? Or is it better to put it all under 1 site?

well if someone with a lot of experience would ask me that question i would say make one and make it big.

but in your case the answer is not easy - i would say better do 3 - and the reason is that you can LEARN from 3.
what you really need to learn is to read google analytics. there are such phantastic tools in there what helps you a LOT when you understand them

especially on new and smaller sites with just few users you can really analize with what key this site or subpage will rank in 2 or 3 weeks and this way you can learn how google tests and after a while directly reacts on user behavior. there is one section (i think it is called user flow in the english version) what is the most underestimated feature of analytics.

but it is much more work to make 3 because if you REALLY want to understand the numbers in google you do not have to look in the global numbers of a domain - you really need to go into details of single pages because one strong or week contentpage what is getting the wrong or right users can change your complete domainresult dramaticly.

I'm thinking of shutting down xFapZilla and transferring the videos to xCatt and focus on xCatt.com and Femdo.me. That way it won't be as spread out.

Do you think this is a good decision? Or should I stick with the 3 separate sites and work on all of them? The reason why I have 3 sites is because I was kind of copying the pornhub network thing but they're a massive company and i'm 1 guy. I can see my mistake here now.

that is a general mistake of the whole industry because ideas are faster then theri realisation. and NOBODY can be 100% perfect in all what he is doing. success is mostly a result of teams where each one is perfect just in one thing.

but back to your question - yes if your time is just enough for that 2 domains - make 2 and keep the 3rd one for later when you can duplicate success stories and not failures.

Would love to hear what you think about this.

there are a few things more on your sietes what are not that optimal - as i am tired now i will not have the concentration to find them all but i will have a look on the 2 domains tomorrow and give you some further hints.

Again I appreciate you taking to the time to give your expertise. You seem like you know what you're talking about.

the reason why our business is suffering is, that there are too many wrond informations and copier of wrong informations out there.

however we want to make money in the future it can only be made when the matching people is doing the perfect job. no matter if you are perfectly generating traffic or you are a genius in media buying and campiagn optimizing - all money we can share in this biz is the result of how near we are getting to perfection.
if you are not able to promote an affiliate programm and get only 20% of the possible you will have only this 20% and you can pay only this 20% to partners, coworker, hosters, contentseller and so on.
if a professional advertiser can make 50% out of that it will bring him, you and me more money and all the rest of the family.
so what we have to really fight is unprofessional and unlogic strategies because they will not make anybody richt.

that´s why i am glad to help because i am sitting in the same bathtub and would appreciate if there would be a little more water inside. sure i will keep some things also for me because if there are 5 different ways to chicaco and everyone goes just one and the same we would all stuck on this road.

greetings
thommy

[fiverose]

Originally Posted by myleene

Your business model is wrong and the only one making bank are your ad networks.

You could easily do 100x more in mainstream or by working on your marketing.

Why don't you explain in detail?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by fiverose

Why don't you explain in detail?

because there is no essence in this statement - that is a personal experience but not a deep investigation of the facts.

and it is an oxymorone because ad networks can not make more on falling prices because of falling quality. in one point the statement is right:
publishers who are selling adsapce to adnetworks are never interessted if an advertiser who pays for this spots can make money with them. a webmaster what is living from actions like sales will see the placement of an ad with other eyes because than he lives from quality.

but that COULD be eqal done on sites what are just selling adspots and than that would be an even more lucrative income because that would couse that REAL PROFESSIONAL advertisers could work with REAL high quality traffic and as they are more experienced and working with higher numbers of traffic they could make MORE result out of that traffic and WOULD BE ABLE to pay MORE for it as a one-man-marketing-show can ever make.

the problem of our biz is that there are too few people who can think from one step to the next and see what is the logic result of step one in 10 steps later.

greetings
thommy

[videosc]

Thommy, I have a few questions for you:

1. Should I link directly to a sponsors join page or to their tour page?

2. Have you ever heard that using link cloaking can hurt sales? I have one blog where the links are not cloaked and another where they are and the uncloaked links seem to convert a little better... not sure why.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by videosc

Thommy, I have a few questions for you:

1. Should I link directly to a sponsors join page or to their tour page?

2. Have you ever heard that using link cloaking can hurt sales? I have one blog where the links are not cloaked and another where they are and the uncloaked links seem to convert a little better... not sure why.

to 1: it depend what you make a user expecting (linkphrase/banner= key - targetpage = door)

for my experience there are just a few things what you can define as "rules"

a. a user HAVE to see what he is expecting right away and not have to search for it on the target page

b. a target page with tonns of different contents and text will lead lead many users to closing the page immediately because it symbolize "too much - too complicated"

b. as clearer your message is as more clear have to be the landingpage. i.e. you can use a "face" but the click have to lead to this face and not to another. you can simply "FILTER"
the users preference to use more than one face (mabe 2 or 3 to chose from) and lead everyclick to the matching face.

to 2. i do not really mean what you mean with "link cloaking". cloaking usually means to show one IP (or a search engine) something else as you show the user.
it can be also used to hide an affiliate link but i do not really know what that should be good for exept to strength the affiliate-programms landing page.

greetings

thommy

[JamesDrews]

Create something special and not just another porn tube.