I'm actually way more liberal than conservative

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

And I believe Trump is too

It's funny when the crocketeer and cuckwire post things about the GOP. I hated both Bushes and Hillary and Obama. I was a Ron Paul guy, but he was too beta and too much of a cuck.

There is not a chance in hell that I would ever get behind a guy like Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio or Rand Paul or John McCain

Yet why do so many think that I am so conservative??

[Linkster]

I believe I've been posting for weeks that all of the Trump supporters are centrists...just like Obama, Hillary and every other president we've had for decades....no way are any of you conservatives - you're all the same - just barely left or right of center...just like I don't see any real liberals here either.

[Joshua G]

me too im liberal!

i support single payer, & LEGAL immigrants of all kinds! even the muslim.

i would like to save the dolphins from tuna nets, clean up the pacific garbage patch, & preserve federal domain on land that looks pretty.

& i think black lives matter, not black criminals matter/cops=KKK bullshit...

& that only women should be able to vote on womens health issues! men should not be voting on choice.



congrats OP on you being a liberal too!

[CaptainHowdy]

A conservative is a closeted liberal ...

[nico-t]

they are the masters of 'team' thinking while blaming Trump supporters of that. They actually still believe in 'democrats' vs 'republicans' while it's known to us who are awake that they are all the same establishment.

The fact they still believe this shows their ignorance, hence their artificial hatred for trump.
Artificial, because it's not their own opinion, it's injected by old media who they still see as an 'authority', thus believe anything they say. While old media are the ones who have the biggest corporations behind them, so they are the most biased and untrustworthy media in the world.

A homepage from some lunatic posting his ideas with 5 visitors a month is more trustworthy than old media: Because he does it to spread a message without a double agenda. Without someone paying him to create a narrative for the sole purpose to brainwash the masses.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by nico-t

they are the masters of 'team' thinking while blaming Trump supporters of that. They actually still believe in 'democrats' vs 'republicans' while it's known to us who are awake that they are all the same establishment.

The fact they still believe this shows their ignorance, hence their artificial hatred for trump.
Artificial, because it's not their own opinion, it's injected by old media who they still see as an 'authority', thus believe anything they say. While old media are the ones who have the biggest corporations behind them, so they are the most biased and untrustworthy media in the world.

A homepage from some lunatic posting his ideas with 5 visitors a month is more trustworthy than old media: Because he does it to spread a message without a double agenda. Without someone paying him to create a narrative for the sole purpose to brainwash the masses.

no, they hate him because he is an unlikable hack who happened to get elected by default. There is no brainwash with that statement, it is clear. At least with bush jr he surrounded himself with intelligent qualified peopled (well except for his AG choice, who didn't last) Trumps cabinet picks are pretty rough, propaganda aside they are billionaires getting paid 400k a year to help the public interest. You can see how that can be conceived as a bad choice right?

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

At least with bush jr he surrounded himself with intelligent qualified peopled (well except for his AG choice, who didn't last)

I ROFL when you libs praise bush. just comical funny.

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

I ROFL when you libs praise bush. just comical funny.

lol too funny

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by nico-t

they are the masters of 'team' thinking while blaming Trump supporters of that. They actually still believe in 'democrats' vs 'republicans' while it's known to us who are awake that they are all the same establishment.

The fact they still believe this shows their ignorance, hence their artificial hatred for trump.
Artificial, because it's not their own opinion, it's injected by old media who they still see as an 'authority', thus believe anything they say. While old media are the ones who have the biggest corporations behind them, so they are the most biased and untrustworthy media in the world.

A homepage from some lunatic posting his ideas with 5 visitors a month is more trustworthy than old media: Because he does it to spread a message without a double agenda. Without someone paying him to create a narrative for the sole purpose to brainwash the masses.

Dutch boy in Holland proving, yet again, he doesn't get the nuance of American politics or American party lines at all.

White nationalist Nico-T in Holland should learn more or ask more before spewing disinformation to support Trump.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

no, they hate him because he is an unlikable hack who happened to get elected by default. There is no brainwash with that statement, it is clear. At least with bush jr he surrounded himself with intelligent qualified peopled (well except for his AG choice, who didn't last) Trumps cabinet picks are pretty rough, propaganda aside they are billionaires getting paid 400k a year to help the public interest. You can see how that can be conceived as a bad choice right?

Bush was a fucking disaster, a true establishment war monger puppet like the Clintons who hustled you guys into a still ongoing war killing thousands of people, destroying the middle east, and causing the immigrant wave that is destroying European nations as we speak.

Trump is the only one who at least seems to have a different agenda for once.

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by nico-t

Bush was a fucking disaster, a true establishment war monger puppet like the Clintons who hustled you guys into a still ongoing war killing thousands of people, destroying the middle east, and causing the immigrant wave that is destroying European nations as we speak.

Trump is the only one who at least seems to have a different agenda for once.

Trump IS what Obummer PROMISED

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by nico-t

Bush was a fucking disaster, a true establishment war monger puppet like the Clintons who hustled you guys into a still ongoing war killing thousands of people, destroying the middle east, and causing the immigrant wave that is destroying European nations as we speak.

Trump is the only one who at least seems to have a different agenda for once.

Trump is already planning to go back into Afghanistan full force and he's not even in office a month yet.

I have told you for months Trump is the worst war monger ever, Republicans always goto war because they make money. Also months ago was saying on TV interviews "why do we have nukes if we're not going to use them?"

Why don't you listen to Americans about their own society & president? You ignore ignore ignore

[beerptrol]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

A conservative is a closeted liberal ...

and homo

[AtlantisCash]

why would anyone in this biz would want to be lib or either con, come to libertarianism and free market capitalism, we love you

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

And I believe Trump is too

It's funny when the crocketeer and cuckwire post things about the GOP. I hated both Bushes and Hillary and Obama. I was a Ron Paul guy, but he was too beta and too much of a cuck.

There is not a chance in hell that I would ever get behind a guy like Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio or Rand Paul or John McCain

Yet why do so many think that I am so conservative??

[oppoten]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

[thommy]

Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

why would anyone in this biz would want to be lib or either con, come to libertarianism and free market capitalism, we love you

what you want would be the perfect solution in a PERFECT world.

unfortunately mankind is not made for that because absolute freedom would mean NO RULES or ANARCHY.
in fact anarchy would be the ideal system IF people would have moral enough to know that the own freedom ends where the other ones start.

so free market is nothing else than darwin´s evolution - but in that case not for the physicly strongest and healthiest but for the financially strongest.

so just let´s accept that for a minute that darwin´s doctrine is also valid in the markets and the richer dominates the rich.
that would AUTOMATICLY lead to ONE WINNER at the end. and than you are directly in george orwells 1984 - a dictatorshiip of the capital where only profit concerns and not prospertity of them who give their workpower and lifetime to make this profits.
it is the same as a monopoly game what automaticly ends when one got all.
but we all want human existance goes on and do not end suddenly.

I am a big advocate of free markets but I also know that it is a dream what will not come true in the next 100 generations because of the egoism of individuals.
so even free markets have to be ruled and as better they work as more rules they need.

trump is doing the opposite. i do not know if he is doing it because he is really so stupid or if he is doing it because the bilderberg group decided, that it is now time for taking over the planet and make EVERYONE a slave.

we discuss here about a possibility of a nuclear war and EVERYONE of us thinks, that nobody can be so stupid to destroy the world because he will destroy himself too.
but we see that from OUR small view position and not from the position of people who are rich enough to build their own cities inside a mountain or 300 meters under the ground and do not have to worry about their own destruction.

IF you accept darwin in free markets you also have to accept that there will NEVER be a limit. the final will always be, that someone have all and the next inevitable step will be, that he wants HIS OWN BREED - HIS perfect world - HIS ideology.

so better no free and uncontrolled markets in the next 10.000 years til HUMAN EVOLUTION is able to understand the consequences of their own doing.

[Matyko]

No one gives a flying fuck.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Matyko

No one gives a flying fuck.

btw: i still did not receive any PM or mail from you

[AtlantisCash]

Originally Posted by thommy

what you want would be the perfect solution in a PERFECT world.

unfortunately mankind is not made for that because absolute freedom would mean NO RULES or ANARCHY.
in fact anarchy would be the ideal system IF people would have moral enough to know that the own freedom ends where the other ones start.

so free market is nothing else than darwin´s evolution - but in that case not for the physicly strongest and healthiest but for the financially strongest.

so just let´s accept that for a minute that darwin´s doctrine is also valid in the markets and the richer dominates the rich.
that would AUTOMATICLY lead to ONE WINNER at the end. and than you are directly in george orwells 1984 - a dictatorshiip of the capital where only profit concerns and not prospertity of them who give their workpower and lifetime to make this profits.
it is the same as a monopoly game what automaticly ends when one got all.
but we all want human existance goes on and do not end suddenly.

I am a big advocate of free markets but I also know that it is a dream what will not come true in the next 100 generations because of the egoism of individuals.
so even free markets have to be ruled and as better they work as more rules they need.

trump is doing the opposite. i do not know if he is doing it because he is really so stupid or if he is doing it because the bilderberg group decided, that it is now time for taking over the planet and make EVERYONE a slave.

we discuss here about a possibility of a nuclear war and EVERYONE of us thinks, that nobody can be so stupid to destroy the world because he will destroy himself too.
but we see that from OUR small view position and not from the position of people who are rich enough to build their own cities inside a mountain or 300 meters under the ground and do not have to worry about their own destruction.

IF you accept darwin in free markets you also have to accept that there will NEVER be a limit. the final will always be, that someone have all and the next inevitable step will be, that he wants HIS OWN BREED - HIS perfect world - HIS ideology.

so better no free and uncontrolled markets in the next 10.000 years til HUMAN EVOLUTION is able to understand the consequences of their own doing.

to me anarchy is something differant than what we call free market, as a libertarian i would never call myself an anarchist actually, anarchism is actually a communism based ideology, since they are not only against authority, but to the private propperty as well.

in terms of perfect World, there will never be a perfect World, that's a reality, but if we are getting the pretty mutch same results with "state system", then there is no point of insisting on that.

with state based monopolies, you got lesser chance to be one of those, however with free markets you got a chance of trying the least.

in addition to this, you have better chance to protetct yourself from any sort of agression, but thats a long long topic, so we can leav it at that point.

my solution is firstly use this so called already existed welfare state to teach people how to rely on themselfs rather than governments, then go to the minarchy level, the next should be total free markets without a gov, but humans need to evolve by the time.

for now, like minded people with libertarian values should be allowed to install their own state system that will cover the private place they've bought, though i don't think existing monopolies, burocrats, politicians won't see this as a threat to the power they got, they will try their best to keep it.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

to me anarchy is something differant than what we call free market, as a libertarian i would never call myself an anarchist actually, anarchism is actually a communism based ideology, since they are not only against authority, but to the private propperty as well.

that have nothing to do with comunism and it is also not against private property.

anarchy is the absence of domination from whoever to whoever. there is also no compulsion to equality. i think you should read a bit what that word really means and where it comes from and what the idea behind is.
and yes it is kind of utopia or science fiction and would never work in a world like that.
but if it COULD work it would resolve all problems at once.

[AtlantisCash]

Originally Posted by thommy

that have nothing to do with comunism and it is also not against private property.

anarchy is the absence of domination from whoever to whoever. there is also no compulsion to equality. i think you should read a bit what that word really means and where it comes from and what the idea behind is.
and yes it is kind of utopia or science fiction and would never work in a world like that.
but if it COULD work it would resolve all problems at once.

thats why i say we can'T call libertarian/free market to be anarchist and which we shouldn't, utopias mostly cause distopic results, our ideals on libertarianism should based on realistic arguements, privatisation and no any sort of government intervention on concentual and economical/property rights etc and the final point suppose to be a stateless society after right conditions been performed.

aditionally, you may want to check this out for what i was refering of anarchist communism ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism

[thommy]

Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

thats why i say we can'T call libertarian/free market to be anarchist and which we shouldn't, utopias mostly cause distopic results, our ideals on libertarianism should based on realistic arguements, privatisation and no any sort of government intervention on concentual and economical/property rights etc and the final point suppose to be a stateless society after right conditions been performed.

aditionally, you may want to check this out for what i was refering of anarchist communism ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism

ahhh now i got you "anarchist communism" is a form of communism what adapted the anarchic part - yes.

what i meant is that the word "free" and "market" do not really fit together because a market has no moral and that´s why the market should be ruled somehow.

we have seen in 2007/2008 where the financial secor went because it was not ruled.
even the rules obama gave them where not enough but better than nothing.
now trump kicks this rules and as you arleady see in the stockmarket the game already begins again. it is already completely overheated and this is dangerous.

look in example the amazon shares - sure it is a big company but the PER is actually 113 - that means the price for this share calculates actual profits extrapolated on the next 113 years. do you think that ordinary people who buy that share are informed what that means? financial markets are so highly complicated that they MUST be ruled - especially because their money source are ordinary people who can loose all they have.
to eliminate this already small protection is similar to the reintroduction of freebooting.

[AtlantisCash]

Originally Posted by thommy

ahhh now i got you "anarchist communism" is a form of communism what adapted the anarchic part - yes.

what i meant is that the word "free" and "market" do not really fit together because a market has no moral and that´s why the market should be ruled somehow.

we have seen in 2007/2008 where the financial secor went because it was not ruled.
even the rules obama gave them where not enough but better than nothing.
now trump kicks this rules and as you arleady see in the stockmarket the game already begins again. it is already completely overheated and this is dangerous.

look in example the amazon shares - sure it is a big company but the PER is actually 113 - that means the price for this share calculates actual profits extrapolated on the next 113 years. do you think that ordinary people who buy that share are informed what that means? financial markets are so highly complicated that they MUST be ruled - especially because their money source are ordinary people who can loose all they have.
to eliminate this already small protection is similar to the reintroduction of freebooting.

immorality is possible with regulations or without, because regulating ones are human beings too, in 2008 the mess was created mostly by government chronies, just search for the term jp morgan and that will give you differant perspecttive than clasical statist arguements.

on the otherhand, when real socialism was still alive, everything was pretty mutch regulated and we saw how political power was abused and how actually burocrats and politicians göne so far in terms of "immorality".

if we come back today's situation, anti trust laws and regulations everywhere, yet cartels are existed and these cartels are actually best friends of governments.

because nobody cares about ordinary people, these laws only there for 2 purpous and these are; to create afew big families for a sirten country and let them be for ever, the second is making everyone believe that these so called regulations really worked.

at least without any sort of gov interference, either big or small businesses would have chance to take place.

for instans: in my country there are 3 cell phone operaters and their resellers, however if there were free market system, we could 33 instead 3 and members would have better service (although prices are good enough even in today's terms).

i remember when statism was kicking here, internet was so expensive, when dial-ups were still alive, phones bills were pain in he ass for so many people, at least even though privatization caused a chrony, we had better service and better prices.

i could go on for this, but we should firstly consider human factor and law makers are humans too

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by thommy

now trump kicks this rules and as you arleady see in the stockmarket the game already begins again. it is already completely overheated and this is dangerous.

what planet are you on? not this one.

the stock market started going up the day after trump was elected, & went up for 6 weeks, while he was not president, changed no rules. he still hasnt reformed anything with the stock market. he's been in office like 3 weeks, doing other things. like the immigration shit in the news.

your just dreaming up that trump is to blame. just like, when the market goes back down, you will blame trump, & dream up some new dumb reason in your make believe world.

you are competing with rochard on being the dumbest GFY lib. & rochard is the heavyweight champion around here.

[Paul Markham]

My roots are working class. I started with nothing and worked up from there. So my main gripe with socialists, liberals and conservatives is they're all dedicated to making the working classes poorer.

There isn't a Western country where they have become better off over the last 30-40 years.

We're being offered to choose between politicians who will make us poorer and with bureaucrats dedicated to doing it. The "Holy Grail" is often the Economy. So they keep bleating it's good for the economy. If the economy is so good, why are wages dropping for most?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

what planet are you on? not this one.

the stock market started going up the day after trump was elected, & went up for 6 weeks, while he was not president, changed no rules. he still hasnt reformed anything with the stock market. he's been in office like 3 weeks, doing other things. like the immigration shit in the news.

your just dreaming up that trump is to blame. just like, when the market goes back down, you will blame trump, & dream up some new dumb reason in your make believe world.

you are competing with rochard on being the dumbest GFY lib. & rochard is the heavyweight champion around here.

what planet are YOU ON ???

do you have for five cent clue about the stock market? I doubt that you do !!!

I hope you spend all your reserve there and see what happens, idiot.

EVERYONE of his mafia clan knew BEFORE that he will kick the rules from the financial services and a "smart" investor buys stocks BEFORE they go up you dump sock.

go and ask your grandma if she will give you her saved money to put it there if you are so sure what you are talking about. she will hate you for it.