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Old 03-30-2017, 09:19 AM   #51
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No offence or anything but your sister is the one living day in day out with all the "Darkies" shit. If shes telling you its a problem what does that tell you
It tells me that, like Mrs. Scum, she doesn't like darkies...

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your line of reasoning would be true under capitalism... under socialism however it's not...


imagine country has 10 people each making $10 = $100 total
50% gets paid in taxes, so government gets $50 for various gov services

now 1 person that is happy to work for $5 immigrates to your country
he replaces 1 of the 10 people that were productively employed, so now total = $95
producers are happy, cause now they pay $95 instead of $100
consumers are happy, cause it drives down the cost of goods, etc

BUT government (tax payers) is not happy, cause now they get $47.50 instead of $50
AND they have to feed the person that got replaced by the immigrant at lets say cost of $5, so government (tax payers) are left with only $42.50

... but $42.50 is not enough, so gov services need to be cut or taxes raised....


so immigration only works well under capitalism, under socialism the net result is certainly debatable, but likely negative like described in the simplified example above...
your example is true in a closed environment...where no international trade exists and where exports are completely insignificant to the economy...most of what you said still stands true in the real world, where exports play a significant role, YES there will be less tax base...but the cheap workers allow you to produce/operate cheap...this in turn allows you to export at competitive prices...

you can not have a cake and eat it at the same time...you can pick only one option...either you keep the cake and you do not eat it....or you eat the cake and you do not keep it...it is impossible to do both...
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your example is true in a closed environment...where no international trade exists and where exports are completely insignificant to the economy...most of what you said still stands true in the real world, where exports play a significant role, YES there will be less tax base...but the cheap workers allow you to produce/operate cheap...this in turn allows you to export at competitive prices...

you can not have a cake and eat it at the same time...you can pick only one option...either you keep the cake and you do not eat it....or you eat the cake and you do not keep it...it is impossible to do both...
exports for a country like US is maybe 15% of GDP, and majority of that is in sophisticated industries, requiring specialized skills and education... (finance, engineering, etc) so allowing uncontrolled immigration of unskilled labor does very little to help with exports...

and you are right, you can't keep the cake and eat it too... you can't have socialism and uncontrolled immigration of unskilled labor, cause like I described earlier, uncontrolled immigration causes existing workers to get displaced, which then need to be supported by the state... completely defeating the potential benefits of immigration...
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Fact.
I can´t believe you want to listen to Farage...

have you not thought, he created the "not working" but making the EU "not work". He now has his pockets lined.

here, you can see how Trump´s making the US great again



it´s the same for Brexit.
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your example is true in a closed environment...where no international trade exists and where exports are completely insignificant to the economy...most of what you said still stands true in the real world, where exports play a significant role, YES there will be less tax base...but the cheap workers allow you to produce/operate cheap...this in turn allows you to export at competitive prices...

you can not have a cake and eat it at the same time...you can pick only one option...either you keep the cake and you do not eat it....or you eat the cake and you do not keep it...it is impossible to do both...
As say Marine Le Pen modern globalisation it is "manufacturing by slaves for selling to the unemployed". But who beneficiary of this?
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I can´t believe you want to listen to Farage...

have you not thought, he created the "not working" but making the EU "not work". He now has his pockets lined.

here, you can see how Trump´s making the US great again



it´s the same for Brexit.
So Farage made the EU fail ?? Or what exactly is it you are saying here ??



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how is it going Comrade ? Did you talk with your political officer about English course/classes ?


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Also, Sarn, I see that you suddenly became quiet. Maybe you are right. Maybe it is time for small talk with your political officer, small conversation on what to do next.

I may have few advices for you: if you have no political advisor/ officer/ politruk ,its even worse my friend.

You have been brainwashed by the "wolves" from your government ! and you are being brainwashed everyday !

its never too late to regain common sense, Sarn. never too late. the quicker you will do it, the less painful it will be. lets start with one small step that may change your life entirely: turn off the state tv !
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Sarn, how were the consultations with Politruk ? Got the new assignement ? Well, I only hope that your weren'f fired (terminated, should I say ? ) , you are really charming guy. Your avatar is so sweet, it makes you really serious person.
You know, it is kind of insulting for us, if you come to english speaking forum, trying to persuade with your really charming broken english how the world should look according to Soviet's (upss.... KGBs ?) policies....Really charming indeed.
So, Sarn, dont be shy now. Take your time. Maybe even drink some chai/ tea, before you will hit reply.
1) What do you do in adult Sarn ?
2) Why you registered on this forum ?
3) what are your adult sites ? some urls ?

Well, if you will fail to provide it, Sarn, you know exactly well how it will end here. Termination, is the word, Sarn. just one small word to gfy admin, one contrmeasure from our side, and...
Sarn, we wont be satisfied with your short answer or some bullshit reply, like "you flooder", "hahaha", "whatever"....
You know that the time is now, Sarn. It was all sweet for years here, we almost got tricked, you put us into sleep with your amusing english, but now its time to say Sarn...Who you really are ?

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your line of reasoning would be true under capitalism... under socialism however it's not...


imagine country has 10 people each making $10 = $100 total
50% gets paid in taxes, so government gets $50 for various gov services

now 1 person that is happy to work for $5 immigrates to your country
he replaces 1 of the 10 people that were productively employed, so now total = $95
producers are happy, cause now they pay $95 instead of $100
consumers are happy, cause it drives down the cost of goods, etc

BUT government (tax payers) is not happy, cause now they get $47.50 instead of $50
AND they have to feed the person that got replaced by the immigrant at lets say cost of $5, so government (tax payers) are left with only $42.50

... but $42.50 is not enough, so gov services need to be cut or taxes raised....


so immigration only works well under capitalism, under socialism the net result is certainly debatable, but likely negative like described in the simplified example above...
Wrong... under socialism there is something that is called: "minimum wage"...
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first, if we´re going to bring the US into this EU discussion, there´s no money asked from the EU to the US, Trump doesn´t know anything about NATO & the spending.

What you also do not realise is that the EU gives back to the UK a better subsidiary than what is known. The UK have already began plans to cut costs & corners because the EU gives rules and regs to bring the EU together & not have it´s huge gaps. Britain´s always been the closed closet, Germany about education & Spain about family & open rules, as with Holland, Belgium, France, the Netherlands pretty much the rest of Europe.

Already the British government have planned to forget the sats tests for the youth...

SATs tests for seven-year-olds could be axed under new government plans - Mirror Online

let´s wait until there are less police stations, hospitals & fire forces around the UK, less work on the play areas & parks, countrysides & roads in general.

I give 5 years & already there´ll be a difference. I feel sorry for the youth with less education & the OAP´s with less care
Dead wrong you should look up facts before posting........ https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-m...ee-55-million/ Plus they allow the EU to dictate basically everything the UK does......and don't forget the rest of the EU has NO defense budget or ability to defend themselves at all. Not to mention the immigrant problem that is costing the UK billions more. If you can't see what's happening in the world right in front of you, nothing I can do to change your mind but the EU is finished, it's dead, a failed experiment. A noble idea and cause but poor execution and too many competing cultures. The entire world can't be wrong, brexit, Trump, Merkel is finished, Hollande is finished, the Nordic nations are next to leave and elected right wing parliaments. Without the UK, the EU loses about half it's money, the rest is basically Germany and with the Uk gone it will put even more pressure on them, it's over. Just face the fact it failed.

As for NATO, without it and the US's huge military the EU is defenseless without the UK. The US pays 25.1% of the NATO budget, Germany is next up at 12% and the UK at 12%, Pull the UK and US and the EU is defenseless and if you think you are safe from aggressive nations, ask the Ukraine about that. There is a deal in place now for the EU to purchase 1200 F35 fighters from the US which would help the money situation, and before people disparage the f35, it just completed a combat test against the best 4 gen fighters in the world and shot down 15 of them for ever 1 f35 damaged. I just wished we kept the F-22 in production.
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Without the UK, the EU loses about half it's money, the rest is basically Germany and with the Uk gone it will put even more pressure on them, it's over. Just face the fact it failed.
In 2016 UK's net contribution was 8.6 billion on a 120+ billion total. Although the UK is the second largest contribitor... it's still a small fraction of the total.
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Wrong... under socialism there is something that is called: "minimum wage"...
the $$ amounts don't even really matter in that example... if there are 10 jobs... and 11th person immigrates in, no matter what the minimum wage is at least one person will be out of a job, and under socialism the state (tax payers) will have to support him...
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Guys, comrades, I would like to strongly oppose and condemn my previous post and admit my mistakes. They don't pay me 2-3 rubles, but more, like 10 rubles per post. thanxks. Also, I never worked there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolls_from_Olgino. also,here, in Russia, we call it fake news ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitrokhin_Archive
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the $$ amounts don't even really matter in that example... if there are 10 jobs... and 11th person immigrates in, no matter what the minimum wage is at least one person will be out of a job, and the state (tax payers) will have to support him...
Correct but that is a different discussion... Immigrants working for lower wages pushing the locals out of labour isn't an argument... that was my point...
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As for NATO, without it and the US's huge military the EU is defenseless without the UK. The US pays 25.1% of the NATO budget, Germany is next up at 12% and the UK at 12%, Pull the UK and US and the EU is defenseless and if you think you are safe from aggressive nations, ask the Ukraine about that. There is a deal in place now for the EU to purchase 1200 F35 fighters from the US which would help the money situation, and before people disparage the f35, it just completed a combat test against the best 4 gen fighters in the world and shot down 15 of them for ever 1 f35 damaged. I just wished we kept the F-22 in production.


Total cost of F-35 program, $1.45 trillion, could provide free college to every student in the U.S. for 20 years
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As for NATO, without it and the US's huge military the EU is defenseless without the UK. The US pays 25.1% of the NATO budget, Germany is next up at 12% and the UK at 12%, Pull the UK and US and the EU is defenseless and if you think you are safe from aggressive nations, ask the Ukraine about that.
Correct... we need 28 small and independent, but on a world scale, totally defenseless shitty tiny Euro-states... (that's including the UK)
Russia will give Brexit independence day a completely new meaning in let's say 20 years from now...
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While the rest of the world is scaling (economically, financially, military) Europe is minifying because the preservation of 28 tiny shitty cultures are more important than the geo political challenges of the 21th century. And this makes "the preservation of 28 tiny shitty cultures" a contradiction at the same time...
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Correct... we need 28 small and independent, but on a world scale, totally defenseless shitty tiny Euro-states... (that's including the UK)
Russia will give Brexit independence day a completely new meaning in let's say 20 years from now...
Hence the walkout of the UN yesterday about banning Nuclear weapons, the UK has more aircraft carriers than all of Russia and more SLBM's at sea. Not to mention the US behind them all the way. Add in 500 F35 fighters that not even the best Russian fighter can touch and I think they will be fine. Plus the Uk spends more on defense budget than Russia only outmatched by China at 160 billion and the US at 600 billion. Even Pacifist France keeps 2 dozen ICBM's at the ready and several SLBM's at sea. In 20 years Putin will be dead and so will Russia's fragile economy, see what happened last year when oil hit a new low? With Solar in the US and China growing exponentially, Russia will be dead in the water.
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Being the world's police isn't cheap and sorry but the US isn't a socialist shithole, I figured after seeing the EU try it you would have figured it out, if you other countries contributed at all we wouldn't have to do provide everything for you. You even buy our fighters instead of make your own.
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While the rest of the world is scaling (economically, financially, military) Europe is minifying because the preservation of 28 tiny shitty cultures are more important than the geo political challenges of the 21th century. And this makes "the preservation of 28 tiny shitty cultures" a contradiction at the same time...
From the standpoint of geopolitics, everything is still as usual.
Ukraine is occupied by the EU. Britain is under attack and have the threat of separation. USA is waiting for a blow from Asia))
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In 2016 UK's net contribution was 8.6 billion on a 120+ billion total. Although the UK is the second largest contribitor... it's still a small fraction of the total.
The UK pays more into the EU budget than it gets back. In 2016 the UK government paid £13.1 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4.5 billion. So the UK's 'net contribution' was estimated at about £8.6 billion...........so by being in the EU the UK basically gave away 8.6 billion for what? Better trade agreements? They already have that.
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So Farage made the EU fail ?? Or what exactly is it you are saying here ??
Farage was the spokes man, he´s meddled behind the lines, made the EU look bad by not making the deals he could have & now it´s all gone to shit with little ole England possibly going to be sitting alone in this big world

He´s lined his pockets & now he´s going to line them more golfing with buddies in the US tea party.

It´s all about the tyrants getting richer, not caring for the planet we live.

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Dead wrong you should look up facts before posting........ https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-m...ee-55-million/ Plus they allow the EU to dictate basically everything the UK does......and don't forget the rest of the EU has NO defense budget or ability to defend themselves at all. Not to mention the immigrant problem that is costing the UK billions more. If you can't see what's happening in the world right in front of you, nothing I can do to change your mind but the EU is finished, it's dead, a failed experiment. A noble idea and cause but poor execution and too many competing cultures. The entire world can't be wrong, brexit, Trump, Merkel is finished, Hollande is finished, the Nordic nations are next to leave and elected right wing parliaments. Without the UK, the EU loses about half it's money, the rest is basically Germany and with the Uk gone it will put even more pressure on them, it's over. Just face the fact it failed.

As for NATO, without it and the US's huge military the EU is defenseless without the UK. The US pays 25.1% of the NATO budget, Germany is next up at 12% and the UK at 12%, Pull the UK and US and the EU is defenseless and if you think you are safe from aggressive nations, ask the Ukraine about that. There is a deal in place now for the EU to purchase 1200 F35 fighters from the US which would help the money situation, and before people disparage the f35, it just completed a combat test against the best 4 gen fighters in the world and shot down 15 of them for ever 1 f35 damaged. I just wished we kept the F-22 in production.
I´m not wrong, the spokesman of each country can negotiate what needs to be spent on each country & as shown already the UK´s considering removing some education needs to cover cuts, there´s going to be more. The EU created a decent living for an average country, greed gets the better of many & now I think we will find greed will turn the UK into being a cesspit.

Also, You´ve posted lots about what and when with military tools, but most of the problems have come from the US, Russia & the UK sucking up behind the US, there´s no need for defence is there´s no problem to start with.

Also your percentages are incorrect.

oh, and if you notice, the piece of text on the article you posted above...

"The money we get back will be spent on things the government may or may not choose to fund if we left the EU. It’s not enough to look at the net contribution in isolation because what we get back isn’t fully under our control."

It doesn´t say an amount, I think leaving the EU was wrong. but hey, the UK´s done it now & that´s that

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Correct... we need 28 small and independent, but on a world scale, totally defenseless shitty tiny Euro-states... (that's including the UK)
Russia will give Brexit independence day a completely new meaning in let's say 20 years from now...
he´s not correct, the NATO budget´s different from that...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.677d8aa29871

strange when you say shitty tiny Euro States, you may aswel create an Islamic group of your own, trying to divide the world.

This is the POV I am trying to put across. If it wasn´t for world wars, there´s a lot more money to be put into education & the economy, the ozone, the world, one world we live in
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exports for a country like US is maybe 15% of GDP, and majority of that is in sophisticated industries, requiring specialized skills and education... (finance, engineering, etc) so allowing uncontrolled immigration of unskilled labor does very little to help with exports...

and you are right, you can't keep the cake and eat it too... you can't have socialism and uncontrolled immigration of unskilled labor, cause like I described earlier, uncontrolled immigration causes existing workers to get displaced, which then need to be supported by the state... completely defeating the potential benefits of immigration...
the UK has 1/3 of its GDP from export...this is significant...even if only 10% were to be affected it would have a domino effect and hit the ones barely making it and so on...as for the US and its 15% they are a balloon economy with debt that somehow "doesnt matter" nothing makes sense in the US economy right now...everything is a racket there the UK is a more normal country...ok it has a real estate racket of its own but the rest is ok...
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Hence the walkout of the UN yesterday about banning Nuclear weapons, the UK has more aircraft carriers than all of Russia and more SLBM's at sea. Not to mention the US behind them all the way. Add in 500 F35 fighters that not even the best Russian fighter can touch and I think they will be fine. Plus the Uk spends more on defense budget than Russia only outmatched by China at 160 billion and the US at 600 billion. Even Pacifist France keeps 2 dozen ICBM's at the ready and several SLBM's at sea. In 20 years Putin will be dead and so will Russia's fragile economy, see what happened last year when oil hit a new low? With Solar in the US and China growing exponentially, Russia will be dead in the water.
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UK is a more normal country...ok it has a real estate racket of its own but the rest is ok...
which is where now it could all go down hill, where the money the UK was receiving back was spent on things the government may or may not choose to fund now leaving the EU.

There´s going to be lots of losses for the country & people are still not understanding, they´re just seeing the figures & not realising many figures, lots of money wasn´t & isn´t accounted for that was given back to the UK.
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You post nothing here than political nonsense and russian propaganda. no single business thread from you. who are you ever ? I think that the answer is obvious.
And comrade, tell your politruk to try harder, many people know here basics of eristics
its really insulting for me, and other people here, do you think that we are really idiots here ?
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Just because most of the EU relies on the UK and DE to fund pretty much everything and defend them against all aggressors, I think the UK took the logical approach. They have the most extensive surveillance program in the world with the GCHQ and CCTV practically covering the entire city of London feeding into them. They got sick of the open borders, terrorist attacks, and funding most of what they didn't use. I like that 360 billion bill Trump gave to Merkel for all the NATO spending the US provides. You think nothing is changing in the EU? Look to Germany, Merkel will be lucky if she survives her election, Hollande is basically out, the nordic nations have already elected far right parliaments. Things are changing for sure, why didn't you mention that you can't travel openly anymore in the EU? That your nation id doesn't provide free border crossing anymore?
If other countries offered their people the chance to vote to stay IN or get OUT, The EU would collapse overnight. It's only because the very Right Wing are pushing to leave that the people don't get the chance to vote.
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Most likely all the Nordic Nations, since they already elected Far right governments, then honestly probably France later after Hollande loses his bid coming up. Too much free movement, refugees, and terror attacks. The UK can defend itself, pay for it's own bills and is tired of the refugees ravaging parts of London. What other nation in the EU can actually defend itself from an ever aggressive Russian foreign policy? Only the UK and maybe France because they keep a limited amount of SLBM's at sea and ICBM's within the country. Germany LOL, no way, Spain? No way LOL. They needed the Uk more than the Uk needed them.
Once the UK establishes trade outside the EU and limits migration to those who can contribute more than they take out. The country will thrive.
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Nope. Won't happen. And don't want it anymore anyway.

As most on here will remember i was 100% behind independence the first time round. I even worked as a volunteer at the local polling booth that day because i wanted to do everything i could to help. Now though, after finding out it was never about being a "free" country, and we infact were still voting to be under EU rule, they can stick another referendum up their ass. Theresa May is quite right to block Indy 2. Scots people had their chance. They never took it. So we chose to remain under English rule... Brexit, the people voted for it, so it has to happen and now will happen. You can't moan and change a vote because it didn't go your way first time round. Exactly the same as Trump in America...
Why leave the UK where they have a voice and some power to join the EU where they will be nothing?

Because the nothing countries get more funding than they contribute. The problem is does the EU want more money pits?
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your line of reasoning would be true under capitalism... under socialism however it's not...


imagine country has 10 people each making $10 = $100 total
50% gets paid in taxes, so government gets $50 for various gov services

now 1 person that is happy to work for $5 immigrates to your country
he replaces 1 of the 10 people that were productively employed, so now total = $95
producers are happy, cause now they pay $95 instead of $100
consumers are happy, cause it drives down the cost of goods, etc

BUT government (tax payers) is not happy, cause now they get $47.50 instead of $50
AND they have to feed the person that got replaced by the immigrant at lets say cost of $5, so government (tax payers) are left with only $42.50

... but $42.50 is not enough, so gov services need to be cut or taxes raised....


so immigration only works well under capitalism, under socialism the net result is certainly debatable, but likely negative like described in the simplified example above...
Most migrants don't contribute financially, one only has to look at where they live. In a country like the UK where there are benefits for low wages, housing, children, unemployment, etc. The cost of migrants far outweighs the benefits. Unless you're a boss or landlord, then it's a license to rip off the Government.
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your example is true in a closed environment...where no international trade exists and where exports are completely insignificant to the economy...most of what you said still stands true in the real world, where exports play a significant role, YES there will be less tax base...but the cheap workers allow you to produce/operate cheap...this in turn allows you to export at competitive prices...

you can not have a cake and eat it at the same time...you can pick only one option...either you keep the cake and you do not eat it....or you eat the cake and you do not keep it...it is impossible to do both...
Your idiotic comment relies on the countries all having workers at the $10 - $9 an hour wage level. Factor in the Third World where people work for $1 an hour and all fall apart.

Add the fact that those countries are educating people to advance and dominate high-tech industries and your argument is idiotic.

I do agree that people in the West have to be willing to pay more to keep fellow Westerners employed or pay very high taxes to support them not to work.
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I can´t believe you want to listen to Farage...

have you not thought, he created the "not working" but making the EU "not work". He now has his pockets lined.

here, you can see how Trump´s making the US great again

it´s the same for Brexit.
If the EU is so good, why are more of its citizens poorer now than they were 20 years ago? Look at the problems Spain is in because of the EU.

Rising debt, unemployment, homelessness, dropping GDP, austerity and a huge migration problem because of Merkel and the EU failing to tackle the problem. The EU is not working for the people of Europe.
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In 2016 UK's net contribution was 8.6 billion on a 120+ billion total. Although the UK is the second largest contribitor... it's still a small fraction of the total.






And the EU wants to add more countries who will fit into the bottom of that last image. Fucking Madness.

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Under mass migration, automation and globalisation the bargaining powers of the workers disappeared.
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Correct... we need 28 small and independent, but on a world scale, totally defenseless shitty tiny Euro-states... (that's including the UK)
Russia will give Brexit independence day a completely new meaning in let's say 20 years from now...
The EU has to be forced to spend more on Defence.
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Being the world's police isn't cheap and sorry but the US isn't a socialist shithole, I figured after seeing the EU try it you would have figured it out, if you other countries contributed at all we wouldn't have to do provide everything for you. You even buy our fighters instead of make your own.
The US needs to stop interfering in other people's wars that have no possible peaceful outcome.

The list of failure's they have in the ME should tell them that they will always lose in the end.
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Farage was the spokes man, he´s meddled behind the lines, made the EU look bad by not making the deals he could have & now it´s all gone to shit with little ole England possibly going to be sitting alone in this big world
Then why are more and more voters voting to get out of the EU and swing to the right?



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The EU created a decent living for an average country,
By taking money out of the richer countries and debt. What happens when the richer countries decide not to fund the poorer?



Will Germany increase it's contribution to fund Spain?


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Also, You´ve posted lots about what and when with military tools, but most of the problems have come from the US, Russia & the UK sucking up behind the US, there´s no need for defence is there´s no problem to start with.
Most of the problems come from the ME where terrorists are trying to control the oil.

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The money we get back will be spent on things the government may or may not choose to fund if we left the EU.
The money we get back will be spent in the UK.


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strange when you say shitty tiny Euro States, you may aswel create an Islamic group of your own, trying to divide the world.
Shitty States being funded by the rich ones and that will have to increase.

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This is the POV I am trying to put across. If it wasn´t for world wars, there´s a lot more money to be put into education & the economy, the ozone, the world, one world we live in
UK money that's now wasted by the EU will be spent in the UK. On the things you suggest. Whatever it will be spend in the UK.
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which is where now it could all go down hill, where the money the UK was receiving back was spent on things the government may or may not choose to fund now leaving the EU.

There´s going to be lots of losses for the country & people are still not understanding, they´re just seeing the figures & not realising many figures, lots of money wasn´t & isn´t accounted for that was given back to the UK.
You post real nonsense here. Whether or not the Government decides to fund all the EU funding, the money stays in the UK.

At the moment the UK gives £13 billion and gets back £4.5 billion. So The UK loses £8.5billion. That's £8.5 billion that can be spent on schools, NHS, etc. Whatever the Government decides to spend it on, it will be money in the UK that Westminster will share out.

Now add these.
EU citizens on benefits.
EU citizens in a job a Brit could do.
EU citizens driving down wages.
EU citizens driving up house prices and rents.
EU citizens needing NHS care.
EU citizens needing schooling.
EU citizen criminals.

Now add the future problems of Automation destroying jobs.

The overall cost of EU membership is making the UK and Brits poorer.
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Hence the walkout of the UN yesterday about banning Nuclear weapons, the UK has more aircraft carriers than all of Russia and more SLBM's at sea. Not to mention the US behind them all the way. Add in 500 F35 fighters that not even the best Russian fighter can touch and I think they will be fine. Plus the Uk spends more on defense budget than Russia only outmatched by China at 160 billion and the US at 600 billion. Even Pacifist France keeps 2 dozen ICBM's at the ready and several SLBM's at sea. In 20 years Putin will be dead and so will Russia's fragile economy, see what happened last year when oil hit a new low? With Solar in the US and China growing exponentially, Russia will be dead in the water.
Looking at today is really useless when it comes to politics. That's why I said "In 20 years".
What about Europe's fragile economy? Check out where the real growth is. UK's national debt is 81.58% of total GDP and rising
Aircraft carriers are useless against hundreds of long distance nuclear missles.
Next WW will be different.

Fact: China is stepping on the stage of geo politics. Aggresively expending their influence in the region.
Fact: Russia is stepping on the stage of geo politics. Aggresively and passive agressively expending their influence; sabotaging others...
Fact: Turkey is stepping on the stage of geo politics. Aggresively and passive agressively expending their influence; sabotaging others...
Fact: The US losing influence around the world. 15 years ago it was unthinkable Russia could interfere in Syria like they did while the US stood there, watched and did nothing.
Fact: The US turning to isolationist politics. The future of Nato is unsure.


The problem with the spoiled Euro youngsters: They never experienced war. Only read about it in the history books. They never experienced poverty. Wealth to them comes naturally. They think it was Always there and will Always be here only because the rest of the world grants us this wealth. The fact is that the wealth of the West comes from dominating; enslaving and exploiting other regions. Wars are being sold to the public on moral grounds. Behind the curtains wars are Always about protecting political/economical positions.

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Being the world's police isn't cheap and sorry but the US isn't a socialist shithole, I figured after seeing the EU try it you would have figured it out, if you other countries contributed at all we wouldn't have to do provide everything for you. You even buy our fighters instead of make your own.
Looking at the US national debt... indeed... it isn't cheap.
In regards to your fighters.... The US coudn't have produced them without some EU businesses nor without countries ordering them and paying for them upfront. So basically the developtment of the joint strike fighter is a shared project of many countries (with level 1- level 2 and level 3- partnerships.)

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The UK pays more into the EU budget than it gets back. In 2016 the UK government paid £13.1 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4.5 billion. So the UK's 'net contribution' was estimated at about £8.6 billion...........so by being in the EU the UK basically gave away 8.6 billion for what? Better trade agreements? They already have that.
Yeah so? The UK isn't the only country who pays more than it receives. For what? Yes... it's clear there isn't a European spirit neither there is a long term vision to protect the continent from the challenges of the 21th century.

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strange when you say shitty tiny Euro States, you may aswel create an Islamic group of your own, trying to divide the world.

This is the POV I am trying to put across. If it wasn´t for world wars, there´s a lot more money to be put into education & the economy, the ozone, the world, one world we live in
The question is: who is trying to divide Europe?

In regards to wars.... Wealth is there where wars are won... Simple law of nature. The whole world is a battle for natural resources. The reason why pacifists are able to float in the air is because they deny the laws of nature.

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The EU has to be forced to spend more on Defence.
True... and it needs a single coordinated army....
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Your idiotic comment relies on the countries all having workers at the $10 - $9 an hour wage level. Factor in the Third World where people work for $1 an hour and all fall apart.

Add the fact that those countries are educating people to advance and dominate high-tech industries and your argument is idiotic. .
no my comment is based on the most simple laws of economy...its not really up for discussion because it is too simple...

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I do agree that people in the West have to be willing to pay more to keep fellow Westerners employed or pay very high taxes to support them not to work.
this is what people in the west hate most: paying people in the west or buying stuff from the west

this is not going to change...
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yeah nothing better than humans separating each other with fences. and britain telling eu that eu is not worth britain, you britain can go fuck yourself you ego masturbators! but i dont care anyway, they can keep their shitty weather, agressive people and black and muslim multikulti london for themself ... idiots ...
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