Flynn takes the 5th -- won't talk without immunity

[Barry-xlovecam]

Oh Noes, FED MED here we go ...
Flynn to decline Senate subpoena, invoke Fifth Amendment: report | TheHill

Former national security adviser Michael Flynn will invoke his Fifth Amendment rights and not comply with a Senate Intelligence Committee subpoena, the Associated Press reported Monday.

Flynn was subpoenaed in the committee?s investigation into Russian meddling and potential ties between President Trump?s campaign and Russian officials.

Flynn previously offered to testify before the Senate and House Intelligence committees in exchange for immunity, but neither committee accepted the offer.

[Rochard]

This man is guilty as sin.

Flynn was chair of the military intelligence board, assistant director of national intelligence, and the senior intelligence officer for the joint operations command. He knows the rules, and he knows the laws. He knew he had to register as a foreign agent, and he knew every conversation between him and the Russian government was listened in on. At the very least he is facing jail time.

He might know so much more. Imagine if there was direct contact between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, and it was all orchestrated by Trump.....

[beerptrol]

And remember what chump said about immunity

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

And remember what chump said about immunity

Hypocrites 100%

Why do Trump supporters treat Flynn like a hero? Trump fired him, he lied to the vice president and now he pleads the 5th like a guilty coward!

[AndyA]

Flynn is FUCKED.... he lied to the FBI when he was renewing his security clearance license... he is going to jail

he's the ONLY guy Trump has ever been loyal to. Flynn was under direct orders from Trump when talking about sanctions

he's going to squeal real soon

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

And remember what chump said about immunity

king of flippy-floppy ....

[TheDynasty]

is trump slow? or just really tired

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by AndyA

Flynn is FUCKED.... he lied to the FBI when he was renewing his security clearance license... he is going to jail

he's the ONLY guy Drumpf has ever been loyal to. Flynn was under direct orders from Trump when talking about sanctions

he's going to squeal real soon

He's gonna squeal like a pig!

[shiraz9944]

You guys realize a congressional subpoena means nothing right? There is no enforcement of being in contempt of congress........that has been used in the past 80 years. Eric Holder was held in contempt of congress in 2012, lois lerner in 2014, Susan Rice took the fifth just this year as the very same NSA position FLynn had. He will never be compelled to hand over anything, nothing will every come from it and no one can make him talk or even show up to a congressional hearing. It's dead now, he's not going, he won't talk, he won't show any documents and nothing can be done to make him. The issue is over, dead and done unless another person who has insider information comes forward with actual facts, documents, recordings etc.........that's why congress is so frustrated all the time, they have ZERO power to compel the executive branch to do anything except a full on impeachment and that requires a TON of evidence that they can't compel in the first place LOL. Ever wondered why it's never happened before? You guys surprise me, I thought you were all smarter than this, but I was wrong. Trump is running circles around every one like you right now, laughing every night before he goes to sleep as POTUS and nothing can be done to remove him and nothing will be done. I'll get flamed with fake nic or you don't know shit alt right fucker etc etc etc...........but that won't change the fact that he'll be president a year from now and you'll still be on the board bitching about it. All while the real people who know anything just shake their head in shame of the complete lack of intelligence it appears our industry has...........if you take the board as a sample of this industry's overall intelligence.

[kane]

Originally Posted by shiraz9944

You guys realize a congressional subpoena means nothing right? There is no enforcement of being in contempt of congress........that has been used in the past 80 years. Eric Holder was held in contempt of congress in 2012, lois lerner in 2014, Susan Rice took the fifth just this year as the very same NSA position FLynn had. He will never be compelled to hand over anything, nothing will every come from it and no one can make him talk or even show up to a congressional hearing. It's dead now, he's not going, he won't talk, he won't show any documents and nothing can be done to make him. The issue is over, dead and done unless another person who has insider information comes forward with actual facts, documents, recordings etc.........that's why congress is so frustrated all the time, they have ZERO power to compel the executive branch to do anything except a full on impeachment and that requires a TON of evidence that they can't compel in the first place LOL. Ever wondered why it's never happened before? You guys surprise me, I thought you were all smarter than this, but I was wrong. Trump is running circles around every one like you right now, laughing every night before he goes to sleep as POTUS and nothing can be done to remove him and nothing will be done. I'll get flamed with fake nic or you don't know shit alt right fucker etc etc etc...........but that won't change the fact that he'll be president a year from now and you'll still be on the board bitching about it. All while the real people who know anything just shake their head in shame of the complete lack of intelligence it appears our industry has...........if you take the board as a sample of this industry's overall intelligence.

He can choose not to testify and likely wouldn't get in in much trouble from that, but if they request documents, he has to turn them over or risk going to jail.

From the Washington Post:

“Congressional action is analogous to what you see in a criminal context,” Bussert said. “What you often see is the U.S. attorney’s office or law enforcement agencies working with the U.S. attorney’s office coming in and gathering documents from a company or an individual. They may have valid Fifth Amendment claims — they couldn’t be compelled to speak to agents or what have you — but they can’t refuse to comply with the subpoena for documents. You have to produce those — even though those may be incriminating.”

Put another way, the Fifth Amendment protects you from making incriminatory comments about yourself — but it doesn’t protect you from things you’ve said in the past. Documents are similarly a form of past behavior to which the Fifth Amendment doesn’t apply.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by shiraz9944

You guys realize a congressional subpoena means nothing right? There is no enforcement of being in contempt of congress........that has been used in the past 80 years. Eric Holder was held in contempt of congress in 2012, lois lerner in 2014, Susan Rice took the fifth just this year as the very same NSA position FLynn had. He will never be compelled to hand over anything, nothing will every come from it and no one can make him talk or even show up to a congressional hearing. It's dead now, he's not going, he won't talk, he won't show any documents and nothing can be done to make him. The issue is over, dead and done unless another person who has insider information comes forward with actual facts, documents, recordings etc.........that's why congress is so frustrated all the time, they have ZERO power to compel the executive branch to do anything except a full on impeachment and that requires a TON of evidence that they can't compel in the first place LOL. Ever wondered why it's never happened before? You guys surprise me, I thought you were all smarter than this, but I was wrong. Drumpf is running circles around every one like you right now, laughing every night before he goes to sleep as POTUS and nothing can be done to remove him and nothing will be done. I'll get flamed with fake nic or you don't know shit alt right fucker etc etc etc...........but that won't change the fact that he'll be president a year from now and you'll still be on the board bitching about it. All while the real people who know anything just shake their head in shame of the complete lack of intelligence it appears our industry has...........if you take the board as a sample of this industry's overall intelligence.

You can go to jail for this:

Every person who having been summoned as a witness by the authority of either House of Congress to give testimony or to produce papers upon any matter under inquiry before ? any committee of either House of Congress, willfully makes default ? shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of not more than $1,000 nor less than $100 and imprisonment in a common jail for not less than one month nor more than twelve months.

That is a minimum of one month in jail.

[Rochard]

Most likely Flynn is going to go to prison. We already know he has lied multiple times about many things. This started with him lying about the contact he had with the Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak which started it all. Since then we have uncovered he lied about a number of things, some of which he could serve jail time for.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Most likely Flynn is going to go to prison. We already know he has lied multiple times about many things. This started with him lying about the contact he had with the Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak which started it all. Since then we have uncovered he lied about a number of things, some of which he could serve jail time for.

He still might have a shot at getting immunity. I know they denied his request once, but as the investigation goes on they might make him the offer if having his information can help them get a bigger fish.

If he can't cut a deal, he likely is in some serious shit.

[shiraz9944]

Originally Posted by Rochard

You can go to jail for this:

Every person who having been summoned as a witness by the authority of either House of Congress to give testimony or to produce papers upon any matter under inquiry before ? any committee of either House of Congress, willfully makes default ? shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of not more than $1,000 nor less than $100 and imprisonment in a common jail for not less than one month nor more than twelve months.

That is a minimum of one month in jail.

OK back to reality AGAIN. What Could Happen to Clintonâ??s IT Aide Who Totally Ignored Congressional Subpoena | Law News Hillary Clinton's IT director who set her server up was ordered by congress via a subpoena to turn over all the documents and appear in front of them. He did neither, he is not in jail he was not fined, again, nothing happened. Eric Holder held in contempt in 2012, Lois lerner in 2014. Do you see them in jail? Susan Rice this year. Not in jail either.

2 U.S. Code § 194 provides, in part:

Whenever a witness summoned as mentioned in section 192 of this title fails to appear to testify or fails to produce any books, papers, rechaords, or documents, as required ? and the fact of such failure or failures is reported to either House while Congress is in session or when Congress is not in session, a statement of fact constituting such failure is reported to and filed with ? the Speaker of the House, it shall be the duty of the said ? Speaker of the House ? to certify, and he shall so certify, the statement of facts aforesaid under the seal of ? the House ? to the appropriate United States attorney, whose duty it shall be to bring the matter before the grand jury for its action.

Despite the apparent mandatory language in the statute (shall), two recent high-profile contempt resolution referral cases essentially show the statute does not operate that way. As such, Congress has had great difficulty obtaining a contempt conviction in court.



I'm disappointed in you Rochard, you are supposed to be an ex-marine who knows the law and knows about security issues and how gov't works. No one has been punished via the legal method described above for over 80 years. No one will be again here. Congress has to go thru a series of actions thru the local state DA and the process takes over a year and usually like in Eric Holder's case, the judge will decline any further proceedings.

Holder was ordered to turn over all documents of the Fast and Furious scandal and he refused. Lerner was ordered to turn over IRS emails about targetting tea party groups, she declined as well. Hillary Clinton's IT guy was ordered to turn over all emails and all info, he declined.

One thing in common with all? They were all held in contempt of congress and they all were never punished even when the Repubs really tried hard on Holder in 2012-2014.

[shiraz9944]

Originally Posted by Rochard

You can go to jail for this:

Every person who having been summoned as a witness by the authority of either House of Congress to give testimony or to produce papers upon any matter under inquiry before … any committee of either House of Congress, willfully makes default … shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of not more than $1,000 nor less than $100 and imprisonment in a common jail for not less than one month nor more than twelve months.

That is a minimum of one month in jail.

To even GET to that very small punishment, you have to go thru what I just wrote above that you seemingly didn't want to post even though you looked up the law and it was right there with the penalty.

In a year from now, nothing will have happened, Flynn will be working on K-street for 1 mil a year or as a security consultant for a private firm for even more money. Trump will still be president and you all will still be wondering how. Plus don't forget to held in contempt of congress takes a full majority vote from BOTH houses, not just the small committee that issued the subpoena. That isn't going to happen either so all of this is moot anyway, but in the unlikely even they did vote that way. Then the above goes into motion and once again, nothing happens.

https://www.wired.com/2012/06/holder/

[shiraz9944]

There?s also a history (perhaps unsuspectingly) of not following through with prosecution when administration officials are held in contempt. In 2008, a Democratic Congress held White House Counsel Harriet Myers and Chief of Staff Josh Bolten in contempt for failing to turn over documents related to the dismissal of federal prosecutors. Neither Miers or Bolten were charged by the Bush administration?s Justice Department.


There are two more in the past 10 years, and...................drum roll. Nothing happened.