Where to find models?

[sirkonstantine]

I expatriated out of the US and am now in non-English speaking countries. I have an idea for a paysite but need models. Where can models be sourced from?

I'm currently in Eastern Europe if this helps.

[TheDynasty]

a lot of content producers on this board that will probably give you an idea

[RyuLion]

Yeah, more content owners will post tomorrow.

[Bladewire]

You're in Eastern Europe so prostitutes & strip clubs

[Zeiss]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You're in Eastern Europe so prostitutes & strip clubs

Good luck with finding something decent this way...

[sirkonstantine]

Originally Posted by Zeiss

Good luck with finding something decent this way...

What's wrong with that? I've meet some strippers that, if I asked, they'd probably do a film.

You'd still have to screen them, just like any other hire. The nice thing is, once you're inside the club, they usually come to you.

[Spunky]

Craigslist

[sirkonstantine]

Looks like a lot of models are from Prague. Anyone know of how to find the models? I'm pretty sure there's a model DB or agency.

[JamesDrews]

Nikkis Models ?

[ilnjscb]

Most agencies in E Europe require registration and approval. So be ready to prove you are a legit producer, or at least seems like one.

[SpicyM]

Prostitutes = the stupidest idea. Prostitutes are never models (at least those in Europe) and even if they do want to shoot porn, they are usually too primitive to work with. Prostitutes enjoy their privacy, thats why they are prostitutes, they dont want to be seen.

Which country you are in?

[sirkonstantine]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

Prostitutes = the stupidest idea. Prostitutes are never models (at least those in Europe) and even if the do want to shoot porn, they are usually too primitive to work with. Prostitutes enjoy their privacy, thats why they are prostitutes, they dont want to be seen.

Which country you are in?

Poland at the moment. I'm heading to the Ukraine soon. I might visit Prague in the Spring if its good for models.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by sirkonstantine

Poland at the moment. I'm heading to the Ukraine soon. I might visit Prague in the Spring if its good for models.

There are beautiful girls in Ukraine, pity that porn production is banned in there.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by sirkonstantine

Poland at the moment. I'm heading to the Ukraine soon. I might visit Prague in the Spring if its good for models.

"SpicyM" is a thirdworlder on a fake account pretending to be a westerner disregard all it says regarding business

[MatureKing]

Try night walks

[xXXtesy10]

Originally Posted by sirkonstantine

I'm currently in Eastern Europe if this helps.

this same as say I'm currently in Central India if this helps.

[NatalieK]

if you´re interested in real models, there´s many model companies in Europe. Of course, this is for real costs, flights etc.

I suggest speaking in bars, chat with women & see if you can film some first timers, you could have some luck. Even if you´re out for a night, chat with maybe 20 or 30 girls, you´ll find one, then the night was worth while... 3 times a week and you´ll have plenty of weekly content

[pimpmaster9000]

CZ or Hungary...in other eastern euro countries you are simply wasting your time...good looking prostitutes do not want to do porn...

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

if you´re interested in real models, there´s many model companies in Europe. Of course, this is for real costs, flights etc.

I suggest speaking in bars, chat with women & see if you can film some first timers, you could have some luck. Even if you´re out for a night, chat with maybe 20 or 30 girls, you´ll find one, then the night was worth while... 3 times a week and you´ll have plenty of weekly content

Can you hook me up with 4-6 girls and 8 guys to shoot when I'm in Spain? What's your finder's fee per model?

[tobedeleted]

Prague - holy shit Prague. Some many hot girls that if you have $$ they will come at you like never ending Chinese army.

[sirkonstantine]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

I suggest speaking in bars, chat with women & see if you can film some first timers, you could have some luck. Even if you´re out for a night, chat with maybe 20 or 30 girls, you´ll find one, then the night was worth while... 3 times a week and you´ll have plenty of weekly content

Thats surprisingly simple. Thanks!

[Paul Markham]

Can you speak the local language? If so advertise in the places students and others go to for part time jobs. If you can't you have to go to use agents.

Poland is hard because it's Catholic, Ukraine illegal and you need mafia connections, the Czech Republic it's easier but they're now well aware if it goes online their friends, family and neighbours will know.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by GspotProductions

I suggest speaking in bars, chat with women & see if you can film some first timers, you could have some luck. Even if you´re out for a night, chat with maybe 20 or 30 girls, you´ll find one, then the night was worth while... 3 times a week and you´ll have plenty of weekly content

Only if you can charm the birds and have all the gear to back you up. Otherwise, you come off as a creep.

[davidCRM]

east-eu is good for this purpose, best of luck

[Tjeezers]

Originally Posted by sirkonstantine

What's wrong with that? I've meet some strippers that, if I asked, they'd probably do a film.

You'd still have to screen them, just like any other hire. The nice thing is, once you're inside the club, they usually come to you.

I assume you also need documents with their approval that you will use their content for a paysite?

[sirkonstantine]

Originally Posted by Tjeezers_Brokerbabe

I assume you also need documents with their approval that you will use their content for a paysite?

You assumed correctly.

[Klen]

Prague and Budapest is all you need. There are models in other countries like Spain, Uk and France, but no point to bother unless you have a specific idea in mind.
There is an american dude called PornoDan which moved from US to Budapest and it working fine for him.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Can you speak the local language? If so advertise in the places students and others go to for part time jobs. If you can't you have to go to use agents.

Poland is hard because it's Catholic, Ukraine illegal and you need mafia connections, the Czech Republic it's easier but they're now well aware if it goes online their friends, family and neighbours will know.

Correct + be sure to know the local laws too

[rayadp05]

I normally just walk up to girls in public places and casually speak with them about the possibility of them participating in my amateur modeling shoots. I went though an agency once, but I only shot just a few girls. It is just much safer (and more convenient) to advertise online looking for models. I do this quite a bit too. However, if you take the "finding girls on the street" approach, you must be very professional, as well as respectful in terms of your approach.

If you don't feel comfortable with using such a direct approach in order to recruit female talent, I'd try to hook up with an agency or either create some ads that are local to your area and post them online. Or of course, you can just go out and recruit the models on your own.

Good luck to you!

[Brian mike]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

Prostitutes = the stupidest idea. Prostitutes are never models (at least those in Europe) and even if they do want to shoot porn, they are usually too primitive to work with. Prostitutes enjoy their privacy, thats why they are prostitutes, they dont want to be seen.

Thats so funny but you are so right

Reminded me of my old days running an escort agency and having those strippers calling in to give it a shot for few nights.
90% of them after the first call get bad feedback from the costumers and get fired lol or she just quit and go back stripping will never see her again LOL .

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by rayadp05

I normally just walk up to girls in public places and casually speak with them about the possibility of them participating in my amateur modeling shoots. I went though an agency once, but I only shot just a few girls. It is just much safer (and more convenient) to advertise online looking for models. I do this quite a bit too. However, if you take the "finding girls on the street" approach, you must be very professional, as well as respectful in terms of your approach.

If you don't feel comfortable with using such a direct approach in order to recruit female talent, I'd try to hook up with an agency or either create some ads that are local to your area and post them online. Or of course, you can just go out and recruit the models on your own.

Good luck to you!

Like: "Hello, my name is John Doe, I have a great opportunity for you - would you like to shoot porn with me?" Does it really work this way over there??

I can honestly tell you offering a porn job directly to random girls on the street would be hard, time consuming and extremely tiring - this is Europe, not USA. I believe many of them wouldn't even respond to your very first and very important question - "how old are you?" . Just because of privacy.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by Brian mike

Thats so funny but you are so right

Reminded me of my old days running an escort agency and having those strippers calling in to give it a shot for few nights.
90% of them after the first call get bad feedback from the costumers and get fired lol or she just quit and go back stripping will never see her again LOL .

From my own experience, models are usually intelligent girls (at least those who I work with), since they understand the difference between prostitution and porn acting... while prostitutes are totally stupid, unreliable and impossible to work with. Most of them earn over 50e a day from their homes, untaxed (which is very good here), enjoying privacy and feeling safe as they are rarely alone ..why would they shoot public porn to earn a few extra per day of "hard work" with persons they don't know and outside their safe apartments?

For them it's hard work for low money compared to selling sex services, not to mention they are usually fugly and drugged.

[Bladewire]

^^^^ Third worlder pretending to be "European"

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Only if you can charm the birds and have all the gear to back you up. Otherwise, you come off as a creep.

absolutely! I was meaning from a professional & non creepy way.

A card needed, the professional equipment for the first meeting. A proper place or address, it´s a straight forward way to tout for models, apart from you need to be doing it right.

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Can you hook me up with 4-6 girls and 8 guys to shoot when I'm in Spain? What's your finder's fee per model?

tbh, we don´t have much time for finding models, however, between friends, yes, I can give you a list of models to contact, they´re in Alicante, Barcelona & Madrid. Also, many girls will fly over from the UK. Flights are only 50 return these days

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

Like: "Hello, my name is John Doe, I have a great opportunity for you - would you like to shoot porn with me?" Does it really work this way over there??

I can honestly tell you offering a porn job directly to random girls on the street would be hard, time consuming and extremely tiring - this is Europe, not USA. I believe many of them wouldn't even respond to your very first and very important question - "how old are you?" . Just because of privacy.

Very true. Most guys would come over very creepy, girls would do slightly better but not by much.

[davidCRM]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

^^^^ Third worlder pretending to be "European"

europe contains first, second and third world countries too

[sirkonstantine]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Very true. Most guys would come over very creepy, girls would do slightly better but not by much.

Well, if its just 1 guy (or girl) asking random, attractive girls "do you want to shoot a porn," that'll be odd. If its 1 guy asking 1 girl at the bar to shoot a porn with him, that'll be creepy AF!

To execute this correctly, RASCLS must be implemented:
* Reciprocation - tell the girls walking by at a public place (main square) that they're attractive.
* Authority - tell them that you work for a model scouting agency. Have a clipboard and paperwork with you.
* Social Proof - have multiple scouts at the scene.
* Likability - look good yourself (or have good looking scouts)
* Scarcity - This is built in, only attractive girls are talked to.

The scouts need to ask if the potential models are OK with lingerie shoots, erotic shoots, and nude shoots.

Then, get IDs and book interviews at a nice restaurant with models who are OK with lingerie, erotic, and nude. The models would need to speak English.

Scouts are almost minimum wage jobs -- they're not much different than a guy handing out flyers but they just need more motivation than that guy. In E Europe, the minimum wage is like $3/hour, so it's easy to get 3 scouts working part time to be at the Main Square during peak hours ($180/week).

Those 3 scouts just need to find 1 model/week to have a paysite going.

That's very, very feasible, especially in a big city like Prague.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by sirkonstantine

Well, if its just 1 guy (or girl) asking random, attractive girls "do you want to shoot a porn," that'll be odd. If its 1 guy asking 1 girl at the bar to shoot a porn with him, that'll be creepy AF!

To execute this correctly, RASCLS must be implemented:
* Reciprocation - tell the girls walking by at a public place (main square) that they're attractive.
* Authority - tell them that you work for a model scouting agency. Have a clipboard and paperwork with you.
* Social Proof - have multiple scouts at the scene.
* Likability - look good yourself (or have good looking scouts)
* Scarcity - This is built in, only attractive girls are talked to.

The scouts need to ask if the potential models are OK with lingerie shoots, erotic shoots, and nude shoots.

Then, get IDs and book interviews at a nice restaurant with models who are OK with lingerie, erotic, and nude. The models would need to speak English.

Scouts are almost minimum wage jobs -- they're not much different than a guy handing out flyers but they just need more motivation than that guy. In E Europe, the minimum wage is like $3/hour, so it's easy to get 3 scouts working part time to be at the Main Square during peak hours ($180/week).

Those 3 scouts just need to find 1 model/week to have a paysite going.

That's very, very feasible, especially in a big city like Prague.

So ..you believe that for $180 per week some dude is gonna spend 4 hours a day talking to female strangers and offering them porn shoots ??

For 180 per week a reliable person could have a serious job with long time perspective instead of publicly exposing his face in connection to pornography ... not to mention that if you want to employ them legally, you would need to pay taxes from their salaries.

And then.. you can expect that 1/2 of the girls who agreed would not eventually show up on the shooting day. Also, if you need chicks that speak decent English and are willing to do porn, well.. good luck.

Scouts usually receive a provision for each model instead of working fixed time for a fixed salary. Paying them per model would be much more effective.

It also depends on how much money you offer per shoot to the models. Nice girls in Czech Republic are not cheap.. don't confuse amateurs (first timers) with the chicks from agencies. First timers often expect 2-3 times more than what is usual. The reason is that the models in agencies have steady amount of work offered to them, so they are willing to accept less cash per shoot. They know the state of this industry and what is the norm. Amateurs are usually clueless and if you approach them this way, they feel important and often expect lots of money for getting naked.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by sirkonstantine

Well, if its just 1 guy (or girl) asking random, attractive girls "do you want to shoot a porn," that'll be odd. If its 1 guy asking 1 girl at the bar to shoot a porn with him, that'll be creepy AF!

To execute this correctly, RASCLS must be implemented:
* Reciprocation - tell the girls walking by at a public place (main square) that they're attractive.
* Authority - tell them that you work for a model scouting agency. Have a clipboard and paperwork with you.
* Social Proof - have multiple scouts at the scene.
* Likability - look good yourself (or have good looking scouts)
* Scarcity - This is built in, only attractive girls are talked to.

The scouts need to ask if the potential models are OK with lingerie shoots, erotic shoots, and nude shoots.

Then, get IDs and book interviews at a nice restaurant with models who are OK with lingerie, erotic, and nude. The models would need to speak English.

Scouts are almost minimum wage jobs -- they're not much different than a guy handing out flyers but they just need more motivation than that guy. In E Europe, the minimum wage is like $3/hour, so it's easy to get 3 scouts working part time to be at the Main Square during peak hours ($180/week).

Those 3 scouts just need to find 1 model/week to have a paysite going.

That's very, very feasible, especially in a big city like Prague.

That's not feasible in Prague. If it was there would be agents and photographers doing it.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

So ..you believe that for $180 per week some dude is gonna spend 4 hours a day talking to female strangers and offering them porn shoots ??

For 180 per week a reliable person could have a serious job with long time perspective instead of publicly exposing his face in connection to pornography ... not to mention that if you want to employ them legally, you would need to pay taxes from their salaries.

And then.. you can expect that 1/2 of the girls who agreed would not eventually show up on the shooting day. Also, if you need chicks that speak decent English and are willing to do porn, well.. good luck.

Scouts usually receive a provision for each model instead of working fixed time for a fixed salary. Paying them per model would be much more effective.

It also depends on how much money you offer per shoot to the models. Nice girls in Czech Republic are not cheap.. don't confuse amateurs (first timers) with the chicks from agencies. First timers often expect 2-3 times more than what is usual. The reason is that the models in agencies have steady amount of work offered to them, so they are willing to accept less cash per shoot. They know the state of this industry and what is the norm. Amateurs are usually clueless and if you approach them this way, they feel important and often expect lots of money for getting naked.

Exactly. If it was possible we and many more would have done this 20 years ago. Before porn was online. It's a stupid idea. I know I tried it.

[Tjeezers]

Originally Posted by sirkonstantine

You assumed correctly.

In that case We Can Help

[sirkonstantine]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

Scouts usually receive a provision for each model instead of working fixed time for a fixed salary. Paying them per model would be much more effective.

It also depends on how much money you offer per shoot to the models. Nice girls in Czech Republic are not cheap.. don't confuse amateurs (first timers) with the chicks from agencies. First timers often expect 2-3 times more than what is usual. The reason is that the models in agencies have steady amount of work offered to them, so they are willing to accept less cash per shoot. They know the state of this industry and what is the norm. Amateurs are usually clueless and if you approach them this way, they feel important and often expect lots of money for getting naked.

Yeah, salary + commission would be a better compensation package.

This is what I'm gonna do:
* Go there myself and recruit girls in person.
* After X weeks of doing it myself, I'll figure out how its done and can train scouts as well as know the compensation for the models and scouts.

Obviously, I'll be looking for other methods of model recruitment but I have a background in in-person, cold-approach sales; so, I still think this approach could be feasible.

1 model/week is a very low quota and, given a city like Prague is huge and has a large tourist population, it could be:
* 1 backpacker tourist who needs some money to continue traveling
* a student who is fed up with her minimum wage job
* an Erasmus student who wants to have a fun experience abroad

If Scentiologists can get people to pay to be brainwashed, if Jehovahs Witnesses can get people to believe they can live for 1,000 years, and if Herbalife can get people to think that they'll get rich selling something everyone else is selling; I'm sure getting 1 girl/week to do a porn is easy.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by sirkonstantine

Yeah, salary + commission would be a better compensation package.

This is what I'm gonna do:
* Go there myself and recruit girls in person.
* After X weeks of doing it myself, I'll figure out how its done and can train scouts as well as know the compensation for the models and scouts.

Obviously, I'll be looking for other methods of model recruitment but I have a background in in-person, cold-approach sales; so, I still think this approach could be feasible.

1 model/week is a very low quota and, given a city like Prague is huge and has a large tourist population, it could be:
* 1 backpacker tourist who needs some money to continue traveling
* a student who is fed up with her minimum wage job
* an Erasmus student who wants to have a fun experience abroad

If Scentiologists can get people to pay to be brainwashed, if Jehovahs Witnesses can get people to believe they can live for 1,000 years, and if Herbalife can get people to think that they'll get rich selling something everyone else is selling; I'm sure getting 1 girl/week to do a porn is easy.

Seems like too much work for the results expected.

Please, report here how you did. I am really curious about the outcome.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by sirkonstantine

Yeah, salary + commission would be a better compensation package.

This is what I'm gonna do:
* Go there myself and recruit girls in person.
* After X weeks of doing it myself, I'll figure out how its done and can train scouts as well as know the compensation for the models and scouts.

Obviously, I'll be looking for other methods of model recruitment but I have a background in in-person, cold-approach sales; so, I still think this approach could be feasible.

1 model/week is a very low quota and, given a city like Prague is huge and has a large tourist population, it could be:
* 1 backpacker tourist who needs some money to continue traveling
* a student who is fed up with her minimum wage job
* an Erasmus student who wants to have a fun experience abroad

If Scentiologists can get people to pay to be brainwashed, if Jehovahs Witnesses can get people to believe they can live for 1,000 years, and if Herbalife can get people to think that they'll get rich selling something everyone else is selling; I'm sure getting 1 girl/week to do a porn is easy.

You will find it doesn't work. there are no back packers, very few fed up doing minimum wages jobs and very few females in the country. There are lots of legal brothels where girls can work and keep it private.

Go to an agent.

[sirkonstantine]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

Seems like too much work for the results expected.

What are you talking about?

The niche I'm targeting gets 22,000 searches/month. At a .2% conversion rate and $20/month subscription, that's $880/month increase in cash flow.

In 6 months, that's over 5k/month. I'm pretty sure the company will be cash flow positive in 6 months.

and... No. If it goes well, the only thing you'll hear from me is, maybe, an ad on GFY for new amateur models from a model scouting agency :P

[sirkonstantine]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You will find it doesn't work. there are no back packers, very few fed up doing minimum wages jobs and very few females in the country. There are lots of legal brothels where girls can work and keep it private.

Go to an agent.

LOL. If it works, I'll let you know about the agency.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You will find it doesn't work. there are no back packers, very few fed up doing minimum wages jobs and very few females in the country. There are lots of legal brothels where girls can work and keep it private.

Go to an agent.

Well, prostitution (selling sex by individuals on their own) is legal, running a brothel (pimping / profiting from prostitution) is not legal, but there are thousands of these places in form of private apartments.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by sirkonstantine

What are you talking about?

The niche I'm targeting gets 22,000 searches/month. At a .2% conversion rate and $20/month subscription, that's $880/month increase in cash flow.

In 6 months, that's over 5k/month. I'm pretty sure the company will be cash flow positive in 6 months.

and... No. If it goes well, the only thing you'll hear from me is, maybe, an ad on GFY for new amateur models from a model scouting agency :P

Ok

And the niche is a secret too?

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

very few fed up doing minimum wages jobs

And those few who work for minimum wage are ugly anyway ..attractive girls dont work for minimum wage, they have many opportunities and are free to choose. The unemployment rate in CZ is around 5%.

[sirkonstantine]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

And the niche is a secret too?

Exactly!