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Old 08-18-2017, 04:14 AM   #1
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The media sticking to their agenda again *warning graphic pics*

Why are they not showing yesterday's images of dead children like they used of the child washed ashore on the beach ??







And yet i'm not even surprised. So of the pics and vids from yesterday truly are horrific. Yet we won't see those. But the media has no issues showing us Syrians dying because it suited their agenda...

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Why are they not showing yesterday's images of dead children like they used of the child washed ashore on the beach ??



And yet i'm not even surprised. So of the pics and vids from yesterday truly are horrific. Yet we won't see those. But the media has no issues showing us Syrians dying because it suited their agenda...

yes but one image is bound to incite more violence against a specific group of people and the other is not...
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yes but one image is bound to incite more violence against a specific group of people and the other is not...
Correct. Dont fan the flames burning in your house.
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Immigration to Europe must continue and the voters opinion must be unaffected. As soon as one of the Sheep's in the herd start thinking outside this small box they're called names like: nazis, inhuman, racists, alt-right and so on.

Media and leaders of Europe all know these things very well, it's a delicate balance not to interrupt the sleeping brainwashed masses.
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the voting masses of Europe decided to continue their self destruction.

France: Macron. Netherlands: Rutte.

It's democracy. The majority of the people have voted for their own demise. They're fucking stupid, but it is what it is.

Indirectly they're responsible for these deaths and the total destruction of European society
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yes but one image is bound to incite more violence against a specific group of people and the other is not...
Not a case of the 2nd pic being used to emotionally blackmail us ?

Yet the first pic shows the nature of violence and chaos upon US right now at our doorstep.





If it doesn't fit their narrative they simply don't care...
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Correct. Dont fan the flames burning in your house.



Yes let's ignore once again. And if it happens next week in another city ignore that aswell. Don't want to "fan those flames" do we ?
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Putin & Trump supporters wanting to see pictures of dead children. I'm not surprised
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the voting masses of Europe decided to continue their self destruction.

France: Macron. Netherlands: Rutte.

It's democracy. The majority of the people have voted for their own demise. They're fucking stupid, but it is what it is.

Indirectly they're responsible for these deaths and the total destruction of European society
the foundation of any democracy is the concept of "consent of the governed"

this only works when a population is self sustaining & educated.

today we are watching what happens when schools & parenthood collapses under liberal ideologies. hey lets legalize drugs!

the idea that socialism has become trendy in US democratic circles, speaks volumes at the emerging mis-education of entire generations of people.

rome too, collapsed from its decadence. eventually barbarian hordes broke up the empire.

today, the islamic bomb will deliver western society to its knees. but the dumb libs will call opponents of islamic terrorists islamophobe, all the way to the end.

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Correct. Dont fan the flames burning in your house.
That's how I feel about it too.
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That's how I feel about it too.
Yes, ignoring what really happens worked well for the past 2 years in Europe.
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Yes, ignoring what really happens worked well for the past 2 years in Europe.
Who is talking about ignoring it ?

Although thats the line Trump is taking with his Neo-Nazis brothers.
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Yes let's ignore once again. And if it happens next week in another city ignore that aswell. Don't want to "fan those flames" do we ?

how many have they killed in europe total? 500?...



why throw 3-4% of all europeans that are muslims under the bus over shit they had nothing to do with? oh and isnt it funny how nobody speaks about the blue part of the chart...only the red...like terrorism never existed before muslims...
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how many have they killed in europe total? 500?...



why throw 3-4% of all europeans that are muslims under the bus over shit they had nothing to do with? oh and isnt it funny how nobody speaks about the blue part of the chart...only the red...like terrorism never existed before muslims...
Showing pics from what actually happened yesterday isn't throwing all muslims under the same bus.

It's reporting the news. Not selective reporting.

Selective reporting in the UK hasn't helped the hundreds of young girl from rapist gangs...
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Showing pics from what actually happened yesterday isn't throwing all muslims under the same bus.

It's reporting the news. Not selective reporting.

Selective reporting in the UK hasn't helped the hundreds of young girl from rapist gangs...
well there is a stabbing every 4 min in the UK but nobody reports it...but a muslim stabs somebody and it is mainstream news...sure its selective reporting...the USA drops 25.000 bombs/year and not a single bitch from the media...but a pressure cooker in a marathon is WMD...

"reporting what actually happened" is not what is being reported...
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well there is a stabbing every 4 min in the UK but nobody reports it...but a muslim stabs somebody and it is mainstream news
Certainly you must recognize the difference between a personal conflict and a muslim killing random people in the name of his religion.
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well there is a stabbing every 4 min in the UK but nobody reports it...but a muslim stabs somebody and it is mainstream news...sure its selective reporting...the USA drops 25.000 bombs/year and not a single bitch from the media...but a pressure cooker in a marathon is WMD...

"reporting what actually happened" is not what is being reported...
So let's say we used your logic.




Of course you can't report every stabbing etc.

So what would YOU like to see reported in the news ? Clearly you don't agree with the reporting of such incidents as yesterday and today. What for you would you report ??
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Certainly you must recognize the difference between a personal conflict and a muslim killing random people in the name of his religion.
religion does not teach anybody to kill...I know this is hard for you to grasp but there are hundreds of millions of non muslims living in the 50+ muslim countries...thousands of christian churches in said countries...I am sure paul markham will find an exception to this on youtube but if islam preached violence there would not be hundreds of millions of infidels living in muslim countries...very simple stuff...

your claim that he did it in the name of religion is false...just as false for example as some USIS fighter claiming he invaded iraq to "protect his country" just as false as claiming that catholic priests are fucking young boys in the name of christianity...I mean sheeeeeeeet they sure do it a lot and I can find a youtube video so it must be true



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So what would YOU like to see reported in the news ? Clearly you don't agree with the reporting of such incidents as yesterday and today. What for you would you report ??
I would avoid reporting stuff that is going to throw 1/5th of mankind under the bus because it makes money for the media with lies and cherry picking...no terrorist attack is done in the name of religion like no catholic priest butt fucking a young boy is done in the name of religion...

you could stop terrorism completely if you did not report it...so far terrorists have killed around 500 people in europe "in the name of i$lam"...but millions of muslims in europe are now much worse off because the media throws them under the bus 24/7 in the name of profits...this was the plan of ISIS all along...moderate and integrated muslims are the worst enemy of ISIS...

every islamophobic article is a win for ISIS...and USIS...and the military industrial complex...and the ruling elite...but in reality twice as many people are killed by their own furniture than by terrorism...
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religion does not teach anybody to kill...I know this is hard for you to grasp but there are hundreds of millions of non muslims living in the 50+ muslim countries...thousands of christian churches in said countries...I am sure paul markham will find an exception to this on youtube but if islam preached violence there would not be hundreds of millions of infidels living in muslim countries...very simple stuff...
I'm not one to throw random links around, however even if I'd search for the most apologetic news source out there I could find, appears that even The Guardian would disagree.

Let's take Christians as an example - where in the world is it worst place to be a Christian:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng...be-a-christian

Note that N. Korea, Vietnam and Burma are the only countries without a sizable Islamic presence that were put on this list.

The rest of the countries mentioned on this particular list are:
  • Somalia, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Sudan, Iran, Pakistan, Eritrea, Nigeria, Maldives, Saudi Arabia, Lybia, Yemen, Uzbekistan, Central African Republic, Kenya, Turkmenistan. India, Ethiopia, Egypt, Djibouti.

What's not to be forgotten is that these countries, including Saudi Arabia (where Islam was conceived) all historically had their original population and culture.

Iraq, Egypt and Syria for example were Christian, Pakistan Hindu, Iran, contrary to what's happening there now, has been one of the first territories conquered and subjugated by the early caliphate (the first wave of Jihad). Ethnic Persians have ethnically nothing to do with and generally despise Arabs.

In Africa, the spreading of Islam can be divided into two territories - Saharan, which has been originally a part of the classical world, conquered throughout the early rapid conquest (the first wave of Jihad up until Lybia, then the rest in the second wave of Jihad).

And Sub-Saharan, a region that has been historically plundered by the Arab slave traders (it was not the colonial merchants who would catch slaves, the slave traders did and brought them to the coast, with a reported collateral damage of about 80 pct.). Ironically, it's today a region, where the influence of Islam grows rapidly.

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your claim that he did it in the name of religion is false...just as false for example as some USIS fighter claiming he invaded iraq to "protect his country" just as false as claiming that catholic priests are fucking young boys in the name of christianity...I mean sheeeeeeeet they sure do it a lot and I can find a youtube video so it must be true
That's correct, the early, religious part (included in the early Koran of Mecca) plays little role in it, in fact Islam's religious part is not that interesting or important at all for anybody outside the Ummah (the Islamic community). A total of thirteen years of preaching the early Koran in Mecca until his exile to Medina, M. allegedly turned about 150 followers into believers.

It's the latter doctrine of Jihad (heavily present in the later Koran of Medina, Sira and Hadith) that lays the foundation for utilizing various forms of (non-violent or violent) Jihad with relation to the Kuffir (infidels - second class citizens where a different set of ethics applies) or anything considered "haram" (forbidden by Islam). In another 10 years since the migration to Medina, until M. died, it is alleged that every Arab had converted.

This is the key to understand the rapid success of Islam, it's not the religious (tolerant) part that would make Islam appealing and successful, in fact the religious part (dubbed to be vastly plagiarized) was a major failure. It's the latter part and utilizing all forms of Jihad that made Islam into a massive success.

Also note that if the perpetrators shout "Allahu Akbar" before the attack, it doesn't mean "God is great", it literally means "(our) God is greater".

So much for a little bit of history.
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the list you posted is not exactly true...I can only speak for the countries I have been in...

lybia...lived there for 2 years...obvious infidel...nobody gave a shit

malidives...complete nonsense

egypt...has 7 million christians...complete bullshit

india...complete bullshit


I agree that things in US war zones are not good...also Saudi arabia is a crazy country backed by the USA...but outside the US war zones christians and muslims live in peace side by side....I have seen this with my own eyes...

it seems that nobody can address the obvious flaw in the "islam is out to get us" theory...100-s of millions of infidels live in the 50+ muslim countries...1000-s of churches...

its so easy to take pokes at the quran when nobody can read arabic or gives a shit to research...the average westerner will not even bother going to a mosque to ask a priest...muslims are the new communists...there is always somebody to FEAR so that people can make money with "protection and defense"
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Not a case of the 2nd pic being used to emotionally blackmail us ?

Yet the first pic shows the nature of violence and chaos upon US right now at our doorstep.





If it doesn't fit their narrative they simply don't care...
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the list you posted is not exactly true...I can only speak for the countries I have been in...

lybia...lived there for 2 years...obvious infidel...nobody gave a shit

malidives...complete nonsense

egypt...has 7 million christians...complete bullshit

india...complete bullshit


I agree that things in US war zones are not good...also Saudi arabia is a crazy country backed by the USA...but outside the US war zones christians and muslims live in peace side by side....I have seen this with my own eyes...

it seems that nobody can address the obvious flaw in the "islam is out to get us" theory...100-s of millions of infidels live in the 50+ muslim countries...1000-s of churches...

its so easy to take pokes at the quran when nobody can read arabic or gives a shit to research...the average westerner will not even bother going to a mosque to ask a priest...muslims are the new communists...there is always somebody to FEAR so that people can make money with "protection and defense"
You can't read arabic either so how does that make your perspective any more legitimate? I'm not sure if you are aware of this but they tend to publish religious books in multitudes of languages and have since the printing press was established.

Stop blaming the US for all of YOUR'S and the worlds problems. Not only is it not true, it was never true. Your shortcomings in life are your responsibility alone. Trying to find a scapegoat for them only highlights the kind of man you are.
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...but in reality twice as many people are killed by their own furniture than by terrorism...

Oh really? Were there 21237 people killed and 26680 injured by falling furniture last year ??
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So Christians in Egypt aren't persecuted? WOW dude, that's a bold faced lie. Just when I thought you couldn't stack the bullshit any higher you out do yourself.
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You can't read arabic either so how does that make your perspective any more legitimate? I'm not sure if you are aware of this but they tend to publish religious books in multitudes of languages and have since the printing press was established.

Stop blaming the US for all of YOUR'S and the worlds problems. Not only is it not true, it was never true. Your shortcomings in life are your responsibility alone. Trying to find a scapegoat for them only highlights the kind of man you are.
I never claimed to know arabic, I claimed the journalists and "Experts" like paul markham do not know it...the fact that it was translated means little if you do not research it, I can read the translated torah for example but if I do not have somebody skilled to put it in proper perspective then my interpretation is what I make of it...

oh and you do realize that 99.99% of the worlds bombs are made in the USA? I am blaming the USA LOL...you are kinda guilty LOL

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Oh really? Were there 21237 people killed and 26680 injured by falling furniture last year ??
in europe and the USA you are more likely to be killed by your own furniture...the 21237 "terrorist" attacks happened 99.9% in US war zones like iraq,avghanistan,syria,lybia...considering they are 1/5 of the planet and the USA drops an easy 25.000bombs/year even muslim terrorists are more peaceful than the USA

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So Christians in Egypt aren't persecuted? WOW dude, that's a bold faced lie. Just when I thought you couldn't stack the bullshit any higher you out do yourself.
considering there are 7 million christians living just in egypt alone, the theory that "islam is out to get us" is on very fragile foundations...the copts mostly run the financial sector and they have been living there for centuries...nobody lives in absolute peace, just look at the USA, the violent klingongs average 1 school shooting per day...also 500 gay rapes in US gov buildings every day...so the kopts in egypt have a problem every now and then, they still live safer than people in the USA
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considering there are 7 million christians living just in egypt alone, the theory that "islam is out to get us" is on very fragile foundations...the copts mostly run the financial sector and they have been living there for centuries...nobody lives in absolute peace, just look at the USA, the violent klingongs average 1 school shooting per day...also 500 gay rapes in US gov buildings every day...so the kopts in egypt have a problem every now and then, they still live safer than people in the USA
They're only 10% of the population now, before they were the majority so i'm not sure where your weak ass population "very fragile foundations" argument is going. Muslims have been slaughtering them for over 1000 years - this is nothing new, you know this though. have fun defending these animals.
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They're only 10% of the population now, before they were the majority so i'm not sure where your weak ass population "very fragile foundations" argument is going. Muslims have been slaughtering them for over 1000 years - this is nothing new, you know this though. have fun defending these animals.
Well I spent a few months in Egypt and never saw anything of what you speak of...how strange eh? LOL
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Well I spent a few months in Egypt and never saw anything of what you speak of...how strange eh? LOL
I guess none of these thing happened since you weren't there to witness them.

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1 January 2011 (On New Year's Eve) -- 21 Christians killed in bombing in Alexandria.
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A car bomb exploded in front of an Alexandria Coptic Orthodox Church killing at least 21 and injuring at least 79. The incident happened a few minutes after midnight as Christians were leaving a New Year's Eve Church service.

11 January 2011 ? A mentally deranged member of the police force opened fire randomly in a train in Samalout station in Minya province resulting in the death of a 71-year-old Coptic Christian man and injuring of 5 others Copts and Muslims.

On 30 January 2011, just days after the demonstrations to reform the Egyptian government, Muslims in southern Egypt broke into two homes belonging to Coptic Christians. The Muslim assailants murdered 11 people and wounded four others.

5 March 2011 ? A church was set on fire in Sole, Egypt by a group of Muslim men angry that a Muslim woman was romantically involved with a Christian man. Large groups of Copts then proceeded to hold major protests stopping traffic for hours in vital areas of Cairo.


April 2011 ? After the death of two Muslims on April 18, sectarian violence broke out in the southern Egyptian town of Abu Qurqas El Balad, in Minya Governorate, 260 km south of Cairo. One Christian Copt was killed. Coptic homes, shops, businesses, fields and livestock were plundered and torched.

7 May 2011 ? the burning of 3 Coptic Orthodox churches, and the destruction of many Christian-owned houses and businesses. In addition, 15 people were killed in the attacks, and about 232 injured.

A dispute started over claims that several women who converted to Islam had been abducted by the church and was being held against her will in St. Mary Church of Imbaba, Giza, ended in violent clashes that left 15 dead, among whom were Muslims and Christians, and roughly 55 injured. Eyewitnesses confirmed the church was burnt by salafists who are not from the neighborhood, by the committee of the National Council for Human Rights (NCHR). Copts converting to Islam are usually advised by the police to take out restraining orders against their families as the Coptic community does not tolerate converts to Islam. These incidents have fueled strife and problems between Copts and Muslims as in the famous case of Camelia.


2011 Imbaba church attacks

May 2011 ? Copts in Maspero, Cairo are attacked during protests 23 coptic Christian were killed by the Egyptian army and the Islamic mob.


18 May 2011 ? The Coptic Church obtained a permission in January to turn a garment factory bought by the church in 2006, into a church in the neighbourhood of Ain Shams of Cairo. However, angry Muslim mobs attacked the church and scores of Copts and Muslims were arrested for the disturbance. On Sunday May 29, an Egyptian Military Court sentenced two Coptic Christians to five years in jail each for violence and for trying to turn a factory into an unlicensed church.

On 4 October 2011, military and police squads used force late at night to disperse hundreds of angry Coptic demonstrators and their supporters who were attempting to stage a sit-in outside the Maspero TV headquarters in downtown Cairo to protest attacks on a Christian church in Upper Egypt.

9 October 2011?The worst sectarian violence occurred in 2011, when the army killed at least 24 Christians in what became known as the "Maspero massacre".

Thousands of Coptic Christians took to the streets in Cairo to protest the burning of a church in Marinab and were headed towards Maspiro, where they were met with armoured personnel carrier, APCs, and hundreds of riot police and special forces. Army vehicles charged at the protesters and reports of at least 6 protesters being crushed under APCs, including one with a crushed skull, has emerged. In addition, witnesses have confirmed that military personnel were seen firing live ammunition into the protesters, while the Health Ministry confirmed that at least 20 protesters have undergone surgery for bullet wounds. In total, an estimated 24 Copts were killed, while numbers as high as 36 and 50 were reported, including unconfirmed reports of the death of several soldiers.

The events came against the backdrop of tensions simmering due to the violent military breakup of a sit-in staged at Maspiro by Coptic demonstrators a few days earlier to protest the burning of the church of Marinab in the Governorate of Aswan by the Salafis of the region.

2012

18 September 2012 ? A Coptic Christian schoolteacher was sentenced to jail for six years because he posted cartoons on Facebook which were allegedly defamatory to Islam and Mohammed, and also insulted Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi. Al-Jamaa Al-Islamiya members and Salafist groups attempted to attack Kamel as he was led out of court, and rocks were thrown at the police car used to take him away from the court. However, the schoolteacher denied posting the cartoons and said that his account was hacked.

2013

7, 8 April 2013?At least three killed after police and armed groups besiege Coptic cathedral in Cairo following the funeral of four Copts killed earlier in sectarian clashes.

Following the funeral at the seat of the Coptic church in Cairo, St. Mark's Cathedral for four Christians killed in sectarian clashes 6 April 2013, young Copts leaving the funeral service chanted slogans against President Mohamed Mursi and his Muslim Brotherhood movement. Police attacked mourners with tear gas as they tried to leave Egypt's largest cathedral, forcing them back inside the cathedral precinct and sparking a siege that lasted all afternoon and stretched into the night. Police and armed civilians have laid siege to killing three people and injuring at least 21 Copts and Muslims.

Police fired teargas over the cathedral walls and stood by as unknown men armed with birdshot, knives and petrol bombs scaled nearby buildings to try to attack those inside the church grounds. They were confronted by young group of Copts attempting to defend the mourners inside the Church by exchanging petrol bombs and rocks with Islamic extremists on opposite side of the Church entrance.

According to The Guardian, four Christians and one Muslim were killed in sectarian clashes that broke out north of Cairo after children allegedly drew a swastika on Islamic property. On Sunday Christians gathered in Cairo to remember the dead in a service that ended by further escalating sectarian tensions resulting in two Christians and one Muslim being killed. Local news reports that the sixth Coptic victim who has died was set on fire during the clashes died in hospital a few days later, while according to other media sources the second Muslim victim died from a fractured skull. Doctors and Interior Ministry officials said bullet wounds accounted for most of the deaths, including that of Mina Daniel, a young political activist a doctor said had been shot in the shoulder and leg.

Christians complained revolution, and the first time the Cathedral had been attacked.

July 2013 - Muslim Brotherhood supporters burn dozens of churches.

Following the July 3 coup d'état against President Mohamed Morsi -- a member of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood -- Muslim Brotherhood supporters burn dozens of churches throughout Egypt.(Pope Tawadros has supported coup leader and now president Abdel-Fattah al-Sisi, whom he once called a ?saviour?.)

2015
On 15 February 2015, militants in Libya claiming loyalty to ISIL released a video depicting the beheading of 21 Coptic Christians. Subsequently, the victims were commemorated as martyr saints on the 8th Amshir of the Coptic calendar, which is February 15 of the Gregorian calendar.

2016
February 2016?three Christian teenagers in Minya are sentenced to five years in prison for insulting Islam. They had appeared in a video, allegedly mocking Muslim prayers, but claimed they had been mocking IS following a number of beheadings by that group.

19 May 2016, a prominent Coptic worker for Amnesty International, Mina Thabet, was arrested for 'inciting terrorist attacks on police stations', despite reports of paltry evidence. He had been working on evidence of extensive minority persecution under Al-Sisi's regime.

One source also reported that during Al-Sisi's rule, 250 other human rights activist have been arrested by the National Security Agency on similar charges, including a leading human rights lawyer, members of a street theatre group, two dissident journalists, and 238 people protesting peacefully. Numerous others have reportedly been harassed or had their assets either frozen or confiscated.

26 May?a 70-year-old Christian woman in Minya, is beaten and dragged through the streets naked by a mob who falsely suspected her son of having a sexual relationship with a Muslim woman.

In 11 December 2016, the Botroseya Church bombing killed 29 people and injured 47 others.

2017

February 2017, terrorist groups fighting in the Sinai insurgency call for attacks on Christians. At least seven Christians are killed in separate attacks in city of El Arish in Sinai. Many Coptic families respond by fleeing from the Sinai to Ismailia Governorate.

9 April 2017?Bombings of two Coptic churches kill over 45 people and injures over 130. St George's Coptic Orthodox Church in the Tanta region and St Mark's Church in Alexandria were bombed during Palm Sunday processions.

7 May 2017 - A Christian man has been shot dead by Islamic State militants in El Arish Sinai Peninsuala.

26 May ? 2017 Minya attack, In May 2017, gunmen executed at least 28 Christian pilgrims in Minya Governorate.
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Old 08-24-2017, 12:59 AM   #32
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the voting masses of Europe decided to continue their self destruction.

France: Macron. Netherlands: Rutte.

It's democracy. The majority of the people have voted for their own demise. They're fucking stupid, but it is what it is.

Indirectly they're responsible for these deaths and the total destruction of European society
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so 200 dead in 6 years?...

dude the USA averages 500 gay rapes/day in US gov buldings...1 mass shooting per day...30 gun deaths/day...you are comparing this with 0.09 copts killed/day?


I put it to you that christians in egypt are safer than christians in the USA
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France: Macron. Netherlands: Rutte.
Indirectly they're responsible for these deaths
are you insane?! The only blame for terror is ISIS! Next you will blame 911 on Macron

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how many have they killed in europe total? 500?...



why throw 3-4% of all europeans that are muslims under the bus over shit they had nothing to do with? oh and isnt it funny how nobody speaks about the blue part of the chart...only the red...like terrorism never existed before muslims...
well said Muslims are not to blame, Jihadists are the problem and even before the ISIS war began there was other terrorism

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such a sad image. This is the recent Barca terrorist attack. Pleased to hear all of the terrorists have been shot or arrested.

& pleased to hear of the Russian ISIS bomb drop over near Syria a day or 2 later killing at least 200 ISIS fighters
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the list you posted is not exactly true...I can only speak for the countries I have been in...

lybia...lived there for 2 years...obvious infidel...nobody gave a shit

malidives...complete nonsense

egypt...has 7 million christians...complete bullshit

india...complete bullshit
Lybia, during the Kaddafi regime for example has been one of the very few Islamic countries that achieved both progress and security, but one condition of that was to keep the influence of Islam at bay.

Similarly the other progressive leaders in the Middle East, starting with Kemal Atatürk, whether it was Nassir in Egypt or Mozadek in Iran, the only condition under they were able to or at least attempted to reform their countries was to keep Islam at bay.

In order to understand this better, we need to go back to the history of Islam, and to know a little bit about its doctrine.

The doctrine of Islam is built on the following:

There is no god apart from Allah, Mohammad is his messenger, and, as stated in merely 91 verses of Koran, every Muslim should imitate him in everything he did. Islam is the final ideology, Koran is perfect and nothing can contradict it. There are no natural laws and there is no cause and effect.

That itself of course doesn't leave much space for critical thought, much less for science, or running any sort of productive society.

And indeed the history teaches us that it was not industry or development, but Jihad - violence, oppression, genocide and utilizing slavery that enabled the rise of Islam. Even the so called "golden age" in Baghdad or Spain were merely the remaining dhimmis (mainly Jews and Christians) keeping the culture from a total destruction.

There's been about one million Europeans estimated enslaved throughout the Islamic occupation of the Mediterranean sea. Many Europeans today, if tested for DNA, may find there a certain percentage of a non native aspect due to this.

However, as soon as it couldn't take advantage of enough dhimmis (non-believers, second class citizens that are suppressed and dehumanized under Sharia, paying jiziya - the tax) and their industry, technology, the Islamic empires started to fade out.

This is precisely what happened to the Ottoman empire after its invasion was stopped at the gates of Vienna in 1583. Note that in this case, still, by the 19th century, it was forbidden to use print, and as much as 97 pct. of Ottoman empire was estimated to be illiterate. A perfect totalitarian system built on blind obedience. This is the destructive heritage of Islam.

Once the Ottoman empire was disbanded in 1922 and the Islamic world very weak and decimated- there was a brief moment in history when one could hope for actual reforms and abandoning the political influence of Islam. In some countries it worked up to some extent, yet even those formerly rather secular countries often turned back towards the same destructive path lined up 1400 years ago.

We in the west generally know very little about Islam and its history, because ever since our ancestors fought it for hundreds of years and eventually defeated it, we never had to deal with its totalitarian and destructive aspect. That makes us very naive and guillible in many respects. The doctrine has not changed one bit for 1400 years.

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I agree that things in US war zones are not good...also Saudi arabia is a crazy country backed by the USA...but outside the US war zones christians and muslims live in peace side by side....I have seen this with my own eyes...

it seems that nobody can address the obvious flaw in the "islam is out to get us" theory...100-s of millions of infidels live in the 50+ muslim countries...1000-s of churches...

its so easy to take pokes at the quran when nobody can read arabic or gives a shit to research...the average westerner will not even bother going to a mosque to ask a priest...muslims are the new communists...there is always somebody to FEAR so that people can make money with "protection and defense"
A big part of the world's followers of Islam can't understand Arabic, a big part of them can't read at all. Again we don't discuss people, we discuss the doctrine.

I'm even quite confident that a big part of those that call themselves Muslims know pretty much nothing about the doctrine. However, if they are practicing, then everything they know comes from Imam. If they live under Islamic rule - they are even forced to obey the Imam. So once the call for Jihad would come, it can very easily get out of hand.

An example of these are the Palestinian Intifadas, purges against Christians and Jews in Lebanon in the 70's and 80's. If you want even more destructive example that would be for example the Armenian genocide (est. 1.5 million people) - that happened not even 100 years ago so it's not even that very distant history.

As of the US war zone, of course that this does not help our cause. However, Finland was never involved in the Middle East and even there we have violent Jihad already. There's no cause and effect, as many would like to believe, to rationalize such atrocities, but the answer lays again in the doctrine:

The Islamic doctrine divides the world into the "dar al-Islam" (the land of Islam) and "dar al-harb" (the land of war).

Equally the mankind is divided among Umma (the community of believers) and Kuffir (unbelievers). Kaffir (such as me) is by the way described as the lowest form of life on earth.

Once Kuffir enter the land-of Islam, it is a duty of every believer to come to defend it, that's what we fail to recognize in Iraq, Afghanistan etc. We do not fight terrorists, we fight a fanatical doctrine, wealthy people leave to join Jihad and became a Mujahedeen. Death in Jihad is valued more than life.

One part about this is that once Islam ever conquers a land, it's forever marked as "dar-al-Islam". Spain and Israel are two examples. I'm quite confident these is exactly what the Imam involved in the latest Jihadi attack used to motivate his fedayeen.

The same way the believer is commanded to wage Jihad against the Kuffir in "dar al-harb" (but only if they are strong enough to strike).

Jihad is often understood as terrorism, this is false.

The Islamic doctrine lists the following:
  • Jihad by sword
- example - I am afraid we know what it means
  • Jihad by word
- an example is inventing the term "Islamophobia" in order to attempt to discredit the critics of Islam
  • Jihad by pen
- an example is when Islamic organizations petition the lawmakers and executive branch for special treatment based on "religion"
  • Jihad by money
- an example is Saudi Arabia financing approx. 70 pct. of the Mosques in US

Then there's jihad by migration (or overbreeding).

There are not many Islamic countries that would, at this stage, even have any sizable non Islamic minority. And if they do then it's usually from purely economical reasons (Saudis for example couldn't ever function economically without the workforce from abroad).

However, what history teaches us is that once Islam enters a country, it gradually starts to gain influence and attempts to take over. For example Annatolya aka Turkey has been, still as of the 16th century, a Christian country, today its demographics is 99.7 pct. Islamic. The very most of the former classical world is by this day still entirely Islamic.

Nigeria has been a Christian colony, today, its northern part (45 pct. of the population) is Islamic - with a parallel legal and social system, embracing the ideology of their historic slave traders. I leave it up to your consideration how much peace did this bring.

As every totalitarian ideology, Islam is a demagogic doctrine that aims to annihilate dissent. Don't believe that? Ask yourself if you could live the life you live, do what you do, say what you say, in a country that is under Islamic rule (with a strong presence of Sharia).

Notice one thing - there is not one country in the world where Islam would be oppressed, it's always the other way around, even if Islam is in minority.

It starts with Hijabs, halal, Islamic schools, separate pools, no offending facts allowed etc. etc. a demand after demand after demand - what other community immediately starts to oppress the original population and force it to succumb to their requests?

The answer again lies in the doctrine, it is a part of Sharia that a believer is supposed to immediately establish command over Kuffir.

So that guy who won't let you pay for alcohol at his check out, perhaps not even knowing that, is actually practicing Sharia.

The point is, you can't import Islam without importing Jihad. You cannot import the religious part only - you also import a totalitarian ideology, obsessed with you as a non believer, and not in any good way.
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