oppoten

C'mon Thommy, you're shilling too hard for them now.

Are there any posters here who aren't incentivized?



(happy 61st btw)

thommy

i am not shilling for nobody and nothing.
i just analyze the status quo and try to make the best from it.
anything wrong with that?

(thanks for congrats)

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AdultKing

An observation, because some people in this thread are missing the obvious.

There's 10 positions on the first page of the SERPS for most keyword searches and potentially thousands, or hundreds of thousands of pages competing for them.

Another observation, static versus dynamic pages, there's no difference in Google's eyes. Pages don't rank better because they are static. Page speed is a ranking factor, but not the most important one.

thommy

i am not missing the obvious - at least not from what i can see here
if you show me the results you see and the search term you used i am more clear of what you might mean.

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AdultKing

I'm not sure what you're asking. I didn't do a Google search to know that static vs dynamic pages are not treated differently, I also didn't do a Google search to know that page speed is a ranking factor.

thommy

aha and because you did NOT DO IT you know ?
because you wrote::


you make me confused....

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AdultKing

I know from testing, I know because I have studied Google's practices extensively over a long period of time while developing my own search technology.

I also read. In 2008 Google made it clear about Static vs Dynamic pages. They have not changed this advice.

The only benefit a static page would have, if that page does not dynamically load resources because it's pure HTML, is one of page speed. Obviously a plain HTML file will load quicker when served direct from the web server, as opposed to being generated on the fly by a CMS. However page speed is not the only ranking factor when it comes to generating SERPS.

https://moz.com/blog/dynamic-urls-vs...is-still-clear

https://webmasters.googleblog.com/20...atic-urls.html

thommy

hmmm did you ever think about CONTENT ???

for what can it be good to list a site what have other contents and links tomorrow.
this is same as you print a telephone book and the numbers change every day.

and the article you have mentioned here is 10 years old - so you had 10 years time to read this part in it:

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now imagine that even links in a website are part of their content.

what do you think happens to a static video page when the links there are changing permanently (related content i.e). will this be the SAME page ?

why do you think that you see most of all these new crawlers with category pages as first page and not with dynamic content?

WHY do you think that you see in deeper (but not sharp) searches category pages instead of the mainpage?

even the big tubes who have dynamic content on their startpages have MOSTLY a static category navigation (and THIS is why they rank there and not the dynamic content).

you see - all SEO bullshit and glass ball predictions with no fundamental prove- that´s why i do not believe in it and look it from the logic position and find the proves.

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AdultKing

Static vs Dynamic pages has nothing to do with content.

Maybe this is an issue with nomenclature. When people talk about static pages, they usually refer to pages that are pure HTML files which are not generated programmatically.

Perhaps when you refer to static pages you're talking about pages which never change?

If not, then you're not explaining yourself very well.

mopek1

I think this static idea has been a little confusing but I see both sides.

AdultKing - When I think of "static" I also think of pure HTML pages.

Thommy - I think that when you are referring to a "static" page you mean one that has static content and static links, meaning they never change on that page, but whether or not the page is html or dynamic php is irrelevant. In this way Google wants to know, I'm assuming, that they can rely on this page to maintain the exact same content ( but allowing dynamic ads, scripts etc..) so that they can send surfers there and know it will deliver consistent results for them.

Tdash

1. Static or Dynamic pages have little to no effect on ranking.
2. Page Rank is no longer public but is still a major ranking factor.

thommy

that´s exactly what i mean.

btw you can make dynamic pages with html pages also - you just have to tell it your server.

but i am talking about CONTENT what is there and will be there tomorrow too - because if not it would not make sense for google to list them.

only exception here are newspages what are categorized and know in google (they are also crawled much more and the results show up nearly in realtime) . but even there is have mostly a static content page what will be available for ever with the same content and on the same URL.
wordpress and all this other amateur CMS systems what are building sites randomly (what means with random content and/or links) brought the problems and there are still 99,9% webmasters out there believing that this is something good.

IF someone KNOWS already that google is trying to understand content by ALL content what is on a page (including links and related contents) HOW can the same person NOT think that changing this content is a mistake?

as i earlier explained google even values a page with a link what is useful (means clicked and used) why should such a page be stable when the link changes every day?

to understand google it does also not make sense to follow the showing links as cou see them and try to understand them. if you click on google´s cache version you will notice that google saw something else (what can be a result of geotargeting of the website or language targeting or even a changed content).

so you will never really understand why google did this or that as long as you do not see what google saw.

these are just a few small things to know - no magic - just logic.

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windstorm

Since you seem to understand Google so well, tell me, what do you understand from this result in top 10 for "free porn movies" in German:

Kostenlose pornofilme
Kostenlose pornofilme
1 · 2 · 3 · 4 · 5 · 6 · 7 · 8 · 9 · 10 · 11 · 12 · 13 · 14 · 15 · 16 · 17 · 18 · 19 · 20 · 21 · 22 · 23 · 24 · 25 · 26 · 27 · 28 · 29 · 30 · 31 · 32 · 33 · 34 · 35 · 36 · 37 · 38 · 39 · 40 · 41 · 42 · 43 · 44 · 45 · 46 · 47 · 48 · 49 · 50 · 51 · 52 · 53 · 54 · 55 · 56 · 57 · 58 · 59 · 60 · 61 · 62 · 63 · 64 · 65 · 66 · 67 · 68 · 69 · 70 · 71 · 72 · 73 · 74 · 75 · 76 · 77 · 78 · 79 ...

Where is the meta description?? This is exactly how it looks in Google. I wonder what surfers understand from such.

Also, second page:

Suchergebnis auf Amazon.de für: kostenlose pornofilme sex ...
https://www.amazon.de/kostenlose-por...?...n%3A186606...
Online-Shopping mit großer Auswahl im Bücher Shop.

thommy

yes i was talking about CONTENT and i can not see any big reason for dynamic as long as you do not want to show different users different things or running a shop.
in the last case you should be VERY familiar in "googles structured data-markup" because without that there would be TONNS of missunderstandings

but even than you are ALWAYS nailed on what you show the google bot. only what google sees is what google can show.

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windstorm

This shit is spamming all possible keywords and it does great in Google:

https://anybunny.mobi

Alexa rank is 238 and 93% organic traffic!! Where do you think the traffic comes from? From honest webmasters that get fucked daily by a huge amount of spammers.

So then you wonder, what for to work for unique titles, unique content if spammers build 100 sites and take all traffic with no penalty? Then I better join the same game...

thommy

that is quite easy to explain.

first of all this is a .de domain (i will explain later what is the problem with it)

the search "kostenlose pornofilme" is an "unsharp search"

what you told google is that you want porn movies and they should not cost money.

you did NOT tell google what kind of porn movies you are searching. you did not tell the niche or a specific film you are searching.

so what can google do in that case ?

google will send the user to a page where he can find THE MOST varity of what fits with his search.

on this page you can either define this search by the STATIC navigation (what will never change and a user can still always refine his search with that) and a little dynamic content what is not the reason why the user got lead there.

IF that would be the case all his subsites would also be listet by google but they are not
(even when they are index,follow)

on site search site:ra-sex.de you will see that ONLY the first sites are always listed because the content is ignored and the navigation is duplicated content AND dynamically changing (so not reliable).

the CONTENT sites of this page are horror optimized because the unique content there is the smallest part of the site. related links are dynamic and navigation is DC.
to find subpages in the results of that webpage you need 100% fitting 4-5 phrase searches.

so this page have only chance to be listed with unsharp keys - and it will not be there for long because ONE of the advantages why this domain IS listed is the .de.
sure google would prefer to show a .de domain in the google.de index (what is for sure a special bonus because there are no pornsites with .de).

but believe me that this page will get chilling effects VERY soon and will be banned from googles de-index. in other indexes a .de domain does not have a chance to rank and with a .com ending also not because there are much better optimized pages around.

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thommy

if that site copies contents you can complain to google.

we do that 5-6 times per week and the spammers get always out after a few days.

spamming and stealing is not only a problem for all of us - also google hates it.

there are some techniques what can help to prevent it but the main problem are the affiliate programs and networks who accept those idiots.

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windstorm

But in the end this is not about chilling effects but about Google's own faulty algorithm. What if 9 more such sites have same thing like ra-sex.de.

They would all rank on first page with same meta description? I have monitored such keys for a long time and that site was never there. Suddenly appeared, like many other non sense appearing in top results. In my opinion, current Google's algo has huge flaws. Hopefully it's on purpose for a better algo to come.

windstorm

Complaining go Google seems in vain. I reported many many spammers, very obvious ones and no action was taken, they still rank fine.

thommy

as i explained it it is NOT faulty - google showed you what you searched for (and this side is not even in the tops)

also depend on HOW you search on google.de and from WHERE you do it.

if you are searching on a country version of google, than google will always try to show you pages from this country.

so this PLUS the (im shure accident) static on the first pages leads to what you see.

but relaying to your search term i can not see that google did anything wrong.
you will see also on the results above that the rules i told you are even better realized and this is the reason why they are above.

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Google is obviously tracking how long a visitor stays and if they return. Hence the big Tubes get most of the traffic.

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windstorm

sexmag.co

95% organic traffic. Another spammer that I saw ranking for everything. Google knows best

windstorm

So I could dump a database of 100,000 videos and have 15 min stay on site. So what? Is that how to rank in 2018?

windstorm

Anyway, what I want to say in conclusion is that many many small websites that I know of in different niches have been hit hard by Google, even though they weren't getting much SE, they were cut even more.

So I see a more overall monopoly of organic traffic and little guys are cut off. That means less uniqueness of content and more control for bigger tubes. Not to mention a LOT of SE traffic is going to CJ tubes that are just linking to the big tubes or other smaller tubes that pay for views.

But I guess Google doesn't care anyway of adult niche, it's the black sheep of internet search.

thommy

IF the visitors are real and google can track them it is an argument.
holding time and returning rate is indeed a factor.

but tries to trick that with bots and trojans have failed.

On all this websites where 99% is anyway embedding content from somewhere else HOW can google know wich one is the "original" ?

this is a point where you also overestimate the power of computertechnique.

Google can not compare billions of sites on their content and find out who is the original.

If you make it easy to copy you just can complain them to google (and as i said we have been ALWAYS succesful - sometimes it took a bit longer and sometimes just 2 or 3 days).

but you can also try to prevent the copy but that´s not easy with 3rd party content.

but even when there is no 100% solution the copiers will always look for the easier victim. so try to make it hard.

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xStar

To be honest by 2 persons (just on this screen), those are just first 20 positions.

The list is much longer, but it doesn't matter, those sites are getting SE traffic and this is the proof that it works.

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thommy

internet is the real life.
there is monopoly all around and the rules of reality marketing have been approved since years.

one man shows will not have a big chance in that game. a few ill survive but the big players have specialists for all and everything. there is nobody in the world who can be 100% in each little part of the biz.

there are people who know how to make a great website but don´t know how to drive traffic there - there are people who know about traffic but have no clue from website design or programming, there are people what are 100% focused on traffic monetizing.
what reason should exist that all those specialists should be kicked by people who are amateurs in the most things they are doing?

this trend was visable 15 years ago and i remember that i was fighting with webmaster who did not believe it. they swore in their strategies because they just did not WANT that things change. 95% of them are gone - i am still here because to WANT something is one thing - the OBVIOUS stream of a market is a very other.

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thommy

sure it works - but it is the nature of things that people who are on the losing end always look for someone else who might be guilty.

overall there is not one user missed - general numbers in adult are stable.
only the cards are mixed new. but the number of cards is the same - just the order is different.

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mopek1

Are you a specialist at everything? Is that how you get good Google traffic?

I'm not being rude, it's a serious question.

windstorm

LOL!

I have just searched in Google US for "adult webcams" and page 2 is filled with clear cloaking websites! Even the dumbest algo that comes from Google should see that:

https://imgur.com/a/g5ign

Someone care to explain how Google ranks such shit on page 2 for such competitive term?

I've also seen same situation for "webcam porn" etc. Shitload of cloaking sites ranking for adult terms.

The Porn Nerd

Google is not interested in helping people find porn. That's obvious. In the past if you typed in "blonde milf porn movies" you would get pages and pages of listings from all over the Web featuring blonde MILFs fucking in porn movies. Now? Results featuring 3-5 major players (tubes) and the rest garbage.

Google is putting the burden of search back onto the surfer. So now you must search like this:

"blonde milfs wearing lingerie sucking a black cock doggy style porn movies creampie anal"

It's like with my Alexa Dot. If I ask her a question and it's not worded EXACTLY the way SHE can understand I get, "Sorry, I do not know that one." So I sit there trying seven variations until Alexa can find the right pizza parlor in my neighborhood.

Fuck Google already.

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windstorm

Yes, finally, someone that points out the exact situation that I see.

mopek1

Google is like any other entity.

Like Thommy says, some logical and understandable approaches and policies.

But also possessing a dark side. Everybody looks down on porn and vows to clean it up AFTER they become popular with it. It makes Google look good to frown upon porn and publicly say so, and, back it up by pushing it further and further away.

So why don't they get rid of porn entirely? Because they are hypocritical, at least publicly. They know if they ban porn that porn surfers will FLOCK to Bing and Yahoo and that these surfers may just get used to it over there and stay. Porn surfers are people too, and use Google for mainstream search and so are profitable to Google that way. Google can't say that though because they have to uphold their moral image to everyone.

One solution is an adult only search engine. Not easy to pull off though.

The Porn Nerd

Just got this from Google. I'm sure others have as well but here it is for those who may have missed it:

To owner of Fellucia Blow - Welcome - Erotic Blowjob Videos,

Making sure that your site?s appearance is optimized on Google Search is not a simple task. In order to make this easier, we are releasing a new version of Search Console. The new Search Console was rebuilt from the ground up. We have focused on surfacing actionable insights that are most relevant to site owners, and created an interaction model that guides you through the process of fixing any pending issues. We have also added support for organizational workflow via new sharing functionality.

In addition to making sure that all of your content is on Google Search, the new Search Console will also help you implement Google Search enhancements such as AMP (Accelerated Mobile Pages) and Rich Results (currently only Job Postings - but more to come).

In the coming year, the new Search Console will gradually reach feature parity with the classic Search Console. Until reaching that point, both versions will live side-by-side and be interconnected via links in the navigation bar....

There's more but that's the basic idea. So I think all this "re-positioning" is in part due to the new Search Console Google is rolling out in 2018.

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faxxaff

Google just hasn't gotten that far. They will apply a filter to that sooner or later. You can count on that. In the meantime learn from those spammers and do it better than them. if you care to entertain free loaders.

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faxxaff

They do that for religious reasons for the most part. Look at the charitable donations they provide to various churches. Look up the names of executives and check their religious background.s They do have an agenda against porn. I noticed that 10 years back and I am sure I was right about it then as I am today.

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thommy

no i am not a specialst in everything but i am doing this biz since 21 years and i did it from each position one can do it and with my heart.
and because i know that NOBODY can have skills in all and everything i work focused on what i can do good.

my logic helps me here sometimes more as things i an read somewhere.
the internet is full of speculations and wrong information - that´s why one need to use his brain to see the essence.

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thommy

no - i am pretty sure they do not have any agenda against porn.
but you have been attacked for years and have always tried to get the curve that you just do not have to lock porn content (as many other search engines have done this)

they stopped porn adwords (what was a huge income) just because they did not want to defend "freedom of speech" when they are making money on it.
believe me without this attacks against google they would still have porn adwords.

now they do not make money with it but they also know that they would lose a huge amount of users if they would not show it.
these guys are not stupid - they know the markets and the users but they have to survive
in the complete planet where you can not even find a handful of countries what do fight against porn.

IF google would take porn off - they would have MUCH LESS problems with governments and worldwide childprotecting organizations.
and IF they would decide to do that, they would do it in one single cut.

did you ever research how many different google indexes are existing for all single countries in the world?
they even have an agreement with germany to block each single porn site what is reported.

try to find the big tubes in google.de - they are not there - ALL are blocked !
but not because google blocked them for fun. it is an agreement between the german government and google to prevent that google gets COMPLETELY blocked in Germany.

before you saw a notice on Googles site that there are websited not shown.
Now they are not even allowed to show this link to lumen database anymore because Google was barred from a German court to even LINK to this database.

Here you can read a SMALL article about this shit.

Here some more

and more

and even more

and on and on and on

IF google would once give up to show porn - all other search engines (with much less power) would follow right away.

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The Porn Nerd

I do not agree with this part. Some may follow Google's ban on porn but they would have to crunch the numbers before doing so. Would they make more with Google's lost porn surfers switching to them? Would they make more if they banned porn like Google did?

I say they would make more if the smaller search engines kept porn. If they banned it like Google they would still be #2, #3 etc. But with the "porn bump" the gap between Big G and them would shrink. So I say they would double-down on porn searches, not ban them (Germany be damned; Germans know how to use a VPN anyway).

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AdultKing

Boodigo got a lot of news coverage, doesn't seem to work though.

Ex-Googlers Help Build ‘Boodigo,’ a New Search Engine Just for Porn | Observer

There's been others in the past also.

I run a real adult search engine, bare metal servers, indexing hundreds of millions of pages for text search and testing image and video right now.

You can find it at https://node.xxx

However, even with the best technology and the best user experience it will only ever get less than 0.5% of market share from Google.

Google is part of the fabric of the way we live, it's woven itself into popular culture and the way we speak eg: Why don't you google it?

The best adult search alternatives will only get a minuscule market share compared to Bing, let alone Google.

CrazyMartin

spam???

this site is great for users, easy to navigate, clean, tagged with tons of self hosted content

i bet that your sites look spammy compared to this

thats why this rank so high, great simple site

Gabi

@thommy

is there any way for a german hardcore xxx site to NOT get get banned from google.DE?
Thx!

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windstorm

Hopefully you are just joking. They are showing mobile version for desktop users and they show random videos for random keywords, basically tricking surfers. And as mentioned before, stealing traffic from other legit websites by spamming the domains keys.
Also direct traffic is just 4%, that isn't much at all. All backlinks are from mainstream websites and forums. That's why it went up so much in search.

thommy

you missunderstood.

i did not say that search engines want to ban porn. not one want that.
but they would not stand the pressure and better ban porn as to get banned completely.

google have a HUGE power and international influence and i really wonder how they could stand this pressure til today because it is HUGE.

don´t forget that google can be sued for every single local law they are breaking in EACH SINGLE COUNTRY OF THE WORLD !!!
and NOT ONLY google can be sued for that. EVERY footstepper would be in the same position.

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thommy

THIS is exactly the point.

imagine ALL possible searches in the world (and not only porn) - imagine how many searches a normal user does and how many of them are porn related.

you can not throw Google from this throne and the few % who google would miss would be parted in 1000 cocurrenting search engines for porn.

would you klike that?

i don´t because i remember the times when you had to optimize pages for 10 or 20 different search engines. that was A MESS !!!

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thommy

i think you missed the part that google´s MAININDEX is the mobile index since a while.
they do not care if you call a mobile page on a desktop because even there you can see it. the other way round it is harder and that´s why google decided a huge while ago to make the mobile index the FIRST index.

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thommy

nope - but who know this market and these issues also knows how to deal with it.

all big porn domain in the de-index are kicked 1-2 times per year.
this is our "porn-dinner for one" - same procedure as every year ;-)

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AdultKing

Yes, this is right.

Google use the mobile-first index and all (well almost all) ranking signals come your mobile experience, not desktop experience.

This is why page speed is so very important and why if your site is bad from a mobile point of view it's not going to rank as well in most cases.

The elephant in the room here is that links are still a core part of the Google ranking algorithm and this can still be abused. However Rank Brain is slowly starting to sort that out.

thommy

here i agree in parts only. because observations told me that this linkpower from trusted sources is not a long term help. there is still a little TR in the algo somewhere but as logic the concept of TR is as vulnerable is it.

if links are followed and not used it is a question of a few weeks til you see the power decreasing. after a while the receiving and the giving site is for the garbage.

spammers concept is to build new again and again but in the past years google got a lot faster - so it is a question of time until the effort no longer covers the income (sure there will still be a difference in expectation that´s why you see most spammers only in countries where a few hundreds dollars per months is still worth it).

i really think that this problem would be resolved within the internet economy much faster. but we did not really do smart things in the past 20 years what would help us to regulate the market at least on some basics. many cancer ulcers would not have come into existence if we had better self-regulation based on simple ethical principles.

i still wonder how this market still can exist because 90% of all actions in internet did only fuck the users and the competitors and eliminate the market instead to nurture and build it up.
but that is the war we are all in. let the better ones win.

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3xmedia

https://gfy.com/21326611-post156.html

back in adult?

its SERPs look kinda shitty. not surprising no one used it and I'm sure no one will.

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