Did the cop do the right thing here? (Graphic Video)

[Bladewire]

Arizona police release video of cop punching woman in the face then dragging her during traffic stop

[BaldBastard]

Ahh Internet Jury time !

the victim had 14 previous convictions for assaulting police including three where a weapon was used..

And while I'm making that up, you have no idea if that's true or not. But the officer walking to the car did.

Videos like this should not be seen until a court has heard and examined the whole story.

[DraX]

I watched half the video, if she has NO criminal history the police officer should be put in jail.

With that out of the way, the officers acted very aggressive and I truly hope they had reasons for their behavior.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by DraX

I watched half the video, if she has NO criminal history the police officer should be put in jail.

Anyone with a criminal record should expect to get the shit kicked out of them every time they have contact with the cops?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

Ahh Internet Jury time !

the victim had 14 previous convictions for assaulting police including three where a weapon was used..

And while I'm making that up, you have no idea if that's true or not. But the officer walking to the car did.

Videos like this should not be seen until a court has heard and examined the whole story.

Here's the incident from another angle recorded by a bystander

[dyna mo]

That cop did the wrong thing. 100% certain.

[kane]

We need more information. Clearly, if this was nothing more than driving without a license than the cop is way out of line. I have a feeling there is more to this story than we know.

[astronaut x]

Whether she had priors or not, that is inappropriate for a driving on suspended.

[DraX]

Originally Posted by RedFred

Anyone with a criminal record should expect to get the shit kicked out of them every time they have contact with the cops?

Depends what the criminal records looks like?

Odd that you left out my 2nd line of text from that quote, seemed like unnecessary work to be honest...

[astronaut x]

Originally Posted by DraX

I watched half the video, if she has NO criminal history the police officer should be put in jail.

With that out of the way, the officers acted very aggressive and I truly hope they had reasons for their behavior.

Give us some possible reasons

[RedFred]

Although he ran all the homeless and minorities out of town this was the last decent cop in America....

[DraX]

Originally Posted by astronaut x

Give us some possible reasons

Mrbaldbastard gave a plausible theory in which if true could explain the behavior.

Despite that, the viewers need more information to make a good judgement.

It feels like something is missing out of the equation.

[Bladewire]

The video recorded the cops conversation with other cops that arrived on the scene.

"Ross then tells a group of other officers that he found a man — later discovered to be Armenta's passenger — on the phone in front of a QT gas station, which Ross found suspicious.

Ross said he noticed the man was next to a car and decided to run the vehicle's plates, discovered the vehicle's owner — Armenta — had a revoked license and pulled the car over shortly after it left the parking lot.

In the video, he then tells the other officers he saw Armenta's hands disappear behind her back when informed she was under arrest — later saying they went behind her head — and punched her in the face."

Body-camera footage reveals events that led to Goodyear officer punching woman in the face

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by kane

We need more information. Clearly, if this was nothing more than driving without a license than the cop is way out of line. I have a feeling there is more to this story than we know.

Why do you have this feeling?

Please explain what it is that I'm missing because it doesn't matter what she did in the past.
It only matters what she did right then when she got out of the car as ordered.

Please help the rest of us figure it out so we don't make the same mistake and inconvenience some cop's fist with our face.

Thank you in advance for your guidance.

[kane]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Why do you have this feeling?

Please explain what it is that I'm missing because it doesn't matter what she did in the past.
It only matters what she did right then when she got out of the car as ordered.

Please help the rest of us figure it out so we don't make the same mistake and inconvenience some cop's fist with our face.

Thank you in advance for your guidance.

What she (or others who might be in the car) have done in the past plays a huge role.

The cop rolled up, very aggressive. He asked her to get out of the car and called her by name so he had an idea who she was (he likely ran the car registration before and saw her name affiliated with the car and saw she was suspended). If her criminal record came back as having violence or gun or gang issues in the past, he has to assume that she or the guy in the car with her are dangerous. He claims she reached behind her back so he acted. Now, if she was just a regular, average person with a suspended license and no other criminal history, I think the cop was out of line. If he was worried she could be dangerous, maybe he was acting appropriately.

The reason I believe there is more to the story is that the backup cops are right there with him which mean he called for them before even stopping the car so he may well have suspected there was going to be trouble.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by kane

What she (or others who might be in the car) have done in the past plays a huge role.

The cop rolled up, very aggressive. He asked her to get out of the car and called her by name so he had an idea who she was (he likely ran the car registration before and saw her name affiliated with the car and saw she was suspended). If her criminal record came back as having violence or gun or gang issues in the past, he has to assume that she or the guy in the car with her are dangerous. He claims she reached behind her back so he acted. Now, if she was just a regular, average person with a suspended license and no other criminal history, I think the cop was out of line. If he was worried she could be dangerous, maybe he was acting appropriately.

The reason I believe there is more to the story is that the backup cops are right there with him which mean he called for them before even stopping the car so he may well have suspected there was going to be trouble.

If he had shot her in the head after dragging her you'd just make up more shit again.
Just an endless cycle of excuses and making up shit that only you "know".

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by kane

What she (or others who might be in the car) have done in the past plays a huge role.

The cop rolled up, very aggressive. He asked her to get out of the car and called her by name so he had an idea who she was (he likely ran the car registration before and saw her name affiliated with the car and saw she was suspended). If her criminal record came back as having violence or gun or gang issues in the past, he has to assume that she or the guy in the car with her are dangerous. He claims she reached behind her back so he acted. Now, if she was just a regular, average person with a suspended license and no other criminal history, I think the cop was out of line. If he was worried she could be dangerous, maybe he was acting appropriately.

The reason I believe there is more to the story is that the backup cops are right there with him which mean he called for them before even stopping the car so he may well have suspected there was going to be trouble.

Kane your about to have your lib card pulled. Don't you know all cops are bad and racist and she probably dindu nuffins.

[kane]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

If he had shot her in the head after dragging her you'd just make up more shit again.
Just an endless cycle of excuses and making up shit that only you "know".

Shooting would be a totally different thing.

I'm crazy for wanting to wait for all the information to come out before passing judgement? As I said, if she was just a normal person who was driving suspended and had no history of violence or serious crimes that could lead someone to think she might be armed, he was wrong. If he had a reason to be on alert, I can maybe see it.

What am I being crazy about?

[kane]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Kane your about to have your lib card pulled. Don't you know all cops are bad and racist and she probably dindu nuffins.

I grew up around cops and a couple of my closest friends are cops. I know it is a hard job where you often have no good option. That is why I want to wait to hear all the facts. I believe strongly that cops should be held to a higher standard and she be accountable for their actions, I just don't think we should convict them without hearing the whole story.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by kane

I grew up around cops and a couple of my closest friends are cops. I know it is a hard job where you often have no good option. That is why I want to wait to hear all the facts. I believe strongly that cops should be held to a higher standard and she be accountable for their actions, I just don't think we should convict them without hearing the whole story.

I agree 100%, but you have to understand according to most blacks, all black people have been framed, they didn't do nothing and if they did, slavery made them do it.

[kane]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

I agree 100%, but you have to understand according to most blacks, all black people have been framed, they didn't do nothing and if they did, slavery made them do it.

Keep your race baiting shit to yourself.

[dyna mo]

Kane, is punching like that trained? Seems to me he wasn't following training. He ran the plate on the car, her dl showed suspended, he pulled her over and punched her is how the story reads.

[xKingx]

How do you get locked up on suspicion of drug paraphernalia?? The passenger either had drugs, or he didn't. You can't just locked someone up for suspicion.

The victims don't look like winners in life, but even losers have rights. Hope the cop gets fired. That was way over the line. Cops think they are Gods, and above us.

[kane]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Kane, is punching like that trained? Seems to me he wasn't following training. He ran the plate on the car, her dl showed suspended, he pulled her over and punched her is how the story reads.

That is exactly how it reads which is why I want to see if there is more to the story. I think he had a reason to think she was either dangerous or going to fight just because of how quickly the backup was there. That's not to say she was, he could just be an asshole cop. But if he believed she could be dangerous then thought she might be reaching for a weapon, I could see how that reaction could come about.

As for teaching the punching, yes, they are taught the best ways to fuck you up. They are trained to asses the situation and use the correct amount of force. That is why we need to know the full story so we know if he was doing that or overreacting.

[ghjghj]

[Helix]

We had a President for 8 years that was an activist, racial agitator, and anti law enforcement. He green lighted resisting the police and our country is still living with the results. I'm not surprised the police are on edge and not taking any chances. Remember how many have been executed just sitting in their squad cars not interacting with the public. We don't know the full story of what happened and why it happened. Waiting for the full story to come out would be the prudent thing to do.

[NewNick]

Definitely a step forward.

Dont they usually just shhot them ?

[nico-t]

where are you threads about Trump? Don't you want him impeached anymore?

[J. Falcon]

I wish you would have stayed banned.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

I wish you would have stayed banned.

[PornDiscounts-V]

Having taken all of the major classes for a degree in law enforcement I would say that this cop was needlessly aggressive. Proper procedure would have been to pull them over and call for backup. Then once it arrived, walk up both she sides of the vehicle and remove both occupants from the car. In a calm and collected manner, inform the driver that she is driving with a suspended license and she will be going to jail. If at that point she wants to become combative, so be it. But what he did instead was create a situation in which he felt the need to use force and draw his weapon.

If I was her attorney I would pull his logs and I bet I'd find out that he was nearing the end of his shift and wanted to get this done ASAP, and not listen to her sad story and take his time. And just like a person speeding to not be late to work, he made the situation worse.

Classic us vs them mentality.

[celandina]

The cop is an assehole and should not have a badge

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by kane

That is exactly how it reads which is why I want to see if there is more to the story. I think he had a reason to think she was either dangerous or going to fight just because of how quickly the backup was there. That's not to say she was, he could just be an asshole cop. But if he believed she could be dangerous then thought she might be reaching for a weapon, I could see how that reaction could come about.

As for teaching the punching, yes, they are taught the best ways to fuck you up. They are trained to asses the situation and use the correct amount of force. That is why we need to know the full story so we know if he was doing that or overreacting.

kane, I have to believe the following is more accurate regarding training for such situations:

Originally Posted by PornDiscounts-V

Having taken all of the major classes for a degree in law enforcement I would say that this cop was needlessly aggressive. Proper procedure would have been to pull them over and call for backup. Then once it arrived, walk up both she sides of the vehicle and remove both occupants from the car. In a calm and collected manner, inform the driver that she is driving with a suspended license and she will be going to jail. If at that point she wants to become combative, so be it. But what he did instead was create a situation in which he felt the need to use force and draw his weapon.

If I was her attorney I would pull his logs and I bet I'd find out that he was nearing the end of his shift and wanted to get this done ASAP, and not listen to her sad story and take his time. And just like a person speeding to not be late to work, he made the situation worse.

Classic us vs them mentality.

this makes 100% sense to me on appropriate training on the use of authority.

[kane]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

kane, I have to believe the following is more accurate regarding training for such situations:


this makes 100% sense to me on appropriate training on the use of authority.

It does to me as well. As I have said, I want to hear why that guy acted the way he did before I condemn him. That's it. If he has a good reason for it, let's hear it. If not, he was in the wrong.

[shake]

I feel like in both videos I can't see what really happened. I'm guessing the police officer thought she was reaching for his gun or something, but you can't tell in the body cam footage, and the bystander footage starts after he's already pulling her out of the car.

[Matt-ADX]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

Ahh Internet Jury time !

the victim had 14 previous convictions for assaulting police including three where a weapon was used..

And while I'm making that up, you have no idea if that's true or not. But the officer walking to the car did.

Videos like this should not be seen until a court has heard and examined the whole story.

Love how it seems like everyone ignored this comment. Time to virtue signal and ignore real facts. If this is true, I have no sympathy for her, cops have it hard enough as it is. If she is known for assaulting cops this is the right thing to do IMO

[dyna mo]

What a fucking nitwit.

[Matt-ADX]

Here is an interesting video, where a critic of police tactics goes through some simulated scenarios and changes his tune pretty quickly about how quick cops need to react and understand situations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g

[dyna mo]

What a fucking nitwit.

[bronco67]

What happens before the video starts? It does look bad, but there's some missing information so I can't have an opinion.

[HairyChick]

She kept asking “why?” and “ what did I do?” but the cop ignored her. Threw her on pavement in shorts and sleeveless shirt. Dragged her a bit which hurt her yet no explanation. I couldn’t see the punch but cops have tasers to stop people from acting out. Cops shouldn’t punch unless in a life-or-death situation. Her male friend simply laid down as told.

She struggled because she was not told why the arrest. “Calm down and I’ll explain” could have diffused the situation. But we don’t see all the action or hear it clearly. He should have called for backup, approached the car, talked calmly and slowly to her and given some reason for the stop, like her taillight is out. Meanwhile, backup is coming along to assist momentarily and they’ve all heard about her past assaults, if any.

Hopefully you’ll post updates on the whole fiasco.