Should we consider Anti Vaxxers to be domestic Terrorists?

[Phoenix]

They keep a disease alive and let it mutate and we could be looking at a major major kill off.

The spreading of fake news from local yokels spreading their bullshit lies should be treated the same. Everyone is tracked online these days fairly fully. Only the real pirates are truly hidden.

So when some ass hat makes a fake claim and publishes it, we should charge them based on the number of views they got and thus possibly infected with their garbage.

No social benefits for anyone not taking vaccines, unless told to do so by a medical doctor. A real medical doctor. No school, no use of public utilities, such as water or power, etc

Go live in the bush.

[pimpmaster9000]

why? it is beautiful natural selection at work...let it be

[Bladewire]

Putin has killed a lot of people by pushing the anti vaxxer movement online the last few years.

[wehateporn]

Time for Big Pharma to turn vaccines into a real science, doing solid long-term studies with real placebos, get real data to compare the harm against benefit of the vaccines.

If vaccines can be proven to bring a greater net benefit, people will be queuing up for them, until that day they remain a pseudoscience and not worth risking especially given the appalling reputation of the industry and the conflicts of interest involved i.e. they get to profit if they make you sick.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Putin has killed a lot of people by pushing the anti vaxxer movement online the last few years.

Mark Blaxill is brilliant!

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[EddyTheDog]

I not sure it is 'terrorism' but they do need to be taken out - It makes me sick...

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[Brad Mitchell]

Vaccines only work when everyone gets them. It's because of anti-vaxxers that we have the re-emergence of things like polio, mumps, measles, etc. Because some anti-vax parent is an asshole, Melissa caught whooping cough when it went around our kids school. Honest mistake as an adult to have missed a booster shot. Now every time she gets sick her lungs are awful for 3-6 months afterwards.

Brad

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Vaxxed Vs Unvaxxed study

https://www.oatext.com/Pilot-compara...en.php#Article

"vaccination was associated with a 6.6-fold increased odds of NDD" (neurodevelopmental disorders)

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The Corruption of Science: Who Funds Vaccine Safety Studies?

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[TisMe]

No need for fancy names, just call them what they really are: Murderers.

[wehateporn]

Freedom of information release from CDC

Dr. Johnston, pg. 14-15 & 19-20: "The data on its toxicity (shows) it can cause neurologic and renal toxicity, including death.”

Dr. Weil, pg. 24: "There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest that we’ve got a serious problem." .... "the potential for aluminum and central nervous system toxicity was established by dialysis data. To think there isn’t some possible problem here is unreal.”

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 31: "we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes."

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 44: "Now for speech delays, which is the largest single disorder in this category of neurologic delays. The results are a suggestion of a trend with a small dip. The overall test for trend is highly statistically significant above one.”

Dr. Bernier, pg. 113: "So we are asking people who have a great job protecting this information up until now, to continue to do that until the time of the ACIP meeting. So to basically consider this embargoed information."

Dr. Johnson, pg. 198: "This association leads me to favor a recommendation that infants up to two years old not be immunized with Thimerosal containing vaccines if suitable alternative preparations are available.” ... "I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."

Dr. Weil, pg. 207: "The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant.

Dr. Brent, pg. 229 "we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits"

Dr. Clements, pg 247- 249: "that I am very concerned that this has gotten this far, and that having got this far, how you present in a concerted voice the information to the ACIP in a way they will be able to handle it and not get exposed"

Dr. Bernier, pg. 256: "just consider this embargoed information, if I can use that term, and very highly protected information"

[Phoenix]

lol WHP can you pick other things to push around here.....no one is buying this shit here, everyone needs to be able to calculate shit on a daily basis to keep profitable. They are not going to fall for the old don't accept modern medicine cause they are evil routine.

[wehateporn]

This is the most valuable thing I can do here, many are now religiously following Big Pharma propaganda, it is unlikely I can do much about that, but what I can do is immunize others against it by setting the scientific record straight.

This is not about good Vs evil, this is about them prioritizing profits over health, the reckless approach pharma takes towards vaccines is more about greed than anything else.

Originally Posted by Phoenix

lol WHP can you pick other things to push around here.....no one is buying this shit here, everyone needs to be able to calculate shit on a daily basis to keep profitable. They are not going to fall for the old don't accept modern medicine cause they are evil routine.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

Vaccines only work when everyone gets them. It's because of anti-vaxxers that we have the re-emergence of things like polio, mumps, measles, etc. Because some anti-vax parent is an asshole, Melissa caught whooping cough when it went around our kids school. Honest mistake as an adult to have missed a booster shot. Now every time she gets sick her lungs are awful for 3-6 months afterwards.

Brad

And it's shit like this that whp glosses right over. WHP will tell you it's just a cough. Measles isn't a big deal except that all these things have long term health effects that can last a lifetime.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

lol WHP can you pick other things to push around here.....no one is buying this shit here, everyone needs to be able to calculate shit on a daily basis to keep profitable. They are not going to fall for the old don't accept modern medicine cause they are evil routine.

He used to push the $$ angle where he would say they make money off giving you vaccines until he got schooled and found out they're actually mandated by the gov to make it because they don't make shit off them.

[kane]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

And it's shit like this that whp glosses right over. WHP will tell you it's just a cough. Measles isn't a big deal except that all these things have long term health effects that can last a lifetime.

He once told me that the asthma I have had since I was born is all in my head.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

And it's shit like this that whp glosses right over. WHP will tell you it's just a cough. Measles isn't a big deal except that all these things have long term health effects that can last a lifetime.

The vaccine would need to be safer that the virus/bacteria it is meant to prevent against, otherwise it cannot be justified. Whooping cough is spread by people vaccinated against it, it is not a good vaccine

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by kane

He once told me that the asthma I have had since I was born is all in my head.

Yeah he'll tell you that pharma is bad and just head over to natural medicines whatever .com and pick up a supply of ginger root extract to treat your asthma.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by kane

He once told me that the asthma I have had since I was born is all in my head.

Asthma is regularly induced by vaccines, asthma kills a lot of people

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

He used to push the $$ angle where he would say they make money off giving you vaccines until he got schooled and found out they're actually mandated by the gov to make it because they don't make shit off them.

The vaccine industry is worth many billions and is a rapidly growing sector. Howver they make even more from the harm they cause from vaccines, making people into customers for life

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

The vaccine would need to be safer that the virus/bacteria it is meant to prevent against, otherwise it cannot be justified. Whooping cough is spread by people vaccinated against it, it is not a good vaccine

There was over one million cases reported in the 40s down to under 1000 in the 80s and now because of you antivaxxers it's creeping back up to 8-10k a year.

The vaccine is extremely effective.

[kane]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Asthma is regularly induced by vaccines, asthma kills a lot of people

So which is it? Is it vaccines or is it all in my head?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by kane

He once told me that the asthma I have had since I was born is all in my head.

You are thinking of someone else, I would have told you a vaccine caused it

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by kane

So which is it? Is it vaccines or is it all in my head?

Not sure who told you that, but it wasn’t me, almostly certainly your asthma is vaccine damage

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Asthma is regularly induced by vaccines, asthma kills a lot of people

Any peer-reviewed studies that back up that claim?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

There was over one million cases reported in the 40s down to under 1000 in the 80s and now because of you antivaxxers it's creeping back up to 8-10k a year.

The vaccine is extremely effective.

The vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of whooping cough. The vaccine is associated with food allergies and asthma. Whooping cough is generally mild, there are safer ways to treat it than risking the vaccine.

Vaccines are associated with neurological developmental disorders

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Any peer-reviewed studies that back up that claim?

Many studies show the link, and Big Pharma fund other studies to deny it.

If one is on the fence you can dely vaccines to reduce the risk of asthma

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Yeah he'll tell you that pharma is bad and just head over to natural medicines whatever .com and pick up a supply of ginger root extract to treat your asthma.

Better to avoid the vaccines and not get the asthma in the first place

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Better to avoid the vaccines and not get the asthma in the first place

Any proof of that claim you're making?

No

Just bullshit conspiracy crap

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

He used to push the $$ angle where he would say they make money off giving you vaccines until he got schooled and found out they're actually mandated by the gov to make it because they don't make shit off them.

That isn’t accurate, I have always pushed the fact that vaccines are inducing highly profitable chronic illness, which is the main way Big Pharma profit from vaccines. It is Big Pharma who lobby government to mandate vaccines, so as they can make more people sick and into their long term customers.

At the same time, to say the vaccines are not profitable themselves is to repeat a myth spread by big pharma propagandists, it is very easy to do some checks on the profitability of the vaccine sector, it is worth many billions and is rapidly expanding.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Any proof of that claim you're making?

No

Just bullshit conspiracy crap

I will post studies tomorrow since you are interested, on a small phone now.

[CaptainHowdy]

If my kid died or got ill from a completely preventable disease I should be crowned a complete moron . . .

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

If my kid died or got ill from a completely preventable disease I should be crowned a complete moron . . .

Parents who vaccinated their children and then their kids became permanently disabled or died from them, feel deep shame and regret for the rest of their lives, wishing they had done more research instead of blindly trusting McScience from big industry.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Any proof of that claim you're making?

No

Just bullshit conspiracy crap

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/8/1/e020232

"In Australia, a rise in hospitalisations among infants coded as anaphylaxis to foods coincided with the replacement of whole-cell pertussis (wP) vaccine with subunit acellular pertussis (aP) vaccine on the national immunisation schedule in the late 1990s"

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"Food allergy is not only important in its own right, it is also associated with eczema and with asthma (fourfold increased risk) in later childhood"

[wehateporn]

The odds of having a history of asthma was twice as great among vaccinated subjects than among unvaccinated subjects (adjusted odds ratio, 2.00; 95% confidence interval, 0.59 to 6.74). The odds of having had any allergy-related respiratory symptom in the past 12 months was 63% greater among vaccinated subjects than unvaccinated subjects (adjusted odds ratio, 1.63; 95% confidence interval, 1.05 to 2.54). The associations between vaccination and subsequent allergies and symptoms were greatest among children aged 5 through 10 years.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...?dopt=Abstract