How to monetize skimmed tube feeder traffic (trafficshop, clickaine)?

[wankawonk]

I see that many CJ tubes like iwank.tv, tube2017.com, sonorousporn.com, wikiporn.tv, and more, buy a lot of skimmed traffic from feeder networks (mostly trafficshop and clickaine)

For the most part they send the traffic to a lander that is just a page of thumbnails for a list of categories, like you see on the home page of tubegalore.com or ixxx.com

I've tried buying this traffic and sending it to duplicates of the landing pages I see on the sites buying this traffic. I can't achieve anything close to a positive ROI, no matter how many A/B tests I run. (I've run a lot.)

How are these sites monetizing this traffic so well? Are they buying it at a loss for longer-term strategy reasons?

Anyone have any insights?

[xStar]

It doesn't have to be a positive ROI immediately there. Somebody have it, somebody not.
You boost your traffic, get some bookmark traffic and may be get some Google traffic later. This is a good way to launch new sites.

[Miguel]

Subscribed to the thread. Very interesing to know as well.

[TFCash]

Originally Posted by xStar

It doesn't have to be a positive ROI immediately there. Somebody have it, somebody not.
You boost your traffic, get some bookmark traffic and may be get some Google traffic later. This is a good way to launch new sites.

Say's the guy who sells traffic

I'd like to know how those guys do it also. There is obviously some secret sauce there that they aren't going to let us in on

[Klen]

Those are trade powered sites, so in order to keep traffic flowing, you need to buy constantly traffic.It's very simple.

[ravo]

We have a lot of sites buying traffic for their tube sites. One insight I can give: monitor the incoming traffic (eg GoogleAnalytics), and aggressively add subids to your blacklist (or whitelist). You'll initially get a lot of traffic that doesn't work for you, but pretty soon you'll be getting be getting stuff that works.

[gnawledge]

I’ve tried to install CJTUBE and Inxy and just can’t get it to work. I guess I gotta get someone to do it.

[wankawonk]

Originally Posted by ravo

We have a lot of sites buying traffic for their tube sites. One insight I can give: monitor the incoming traffic (eg GoogleAnalytics), and aggressively add subids to your blacklist (or whitelist). You'll initially get a lot of traffic that doesn't work for you, but pretty soon you'll be getting be getting stuff that works.

That's exactly what I'm doing, and also A/B testing landers (thumbnails, order of categories, site designs), bids, countries, and more. It's just not profitable. My initial ROI hasn't gone much above -70% on anything I've tried, and I'm paying over .20 per engaged session (where the user makes several clicks on my site) AFTER optimizing...engaged users are worth about .001-.002 per session, so these engaged users would have to return at least 100 times, possibly 200, to be profitable.

You boost your traffic, get some bookmark traffic and may be get some Google traffic later. This is a good way to launch new sites.

Right, you build some repeat users with skimmed traffic and Google will like your site better (probably because you generate brand searches on google for your domain). I've seen this happen in practice on some of my sites.

But a lot of the sites buying a shit-ton of feeder traffic have no SE traffic and have been buying feeder hits for years.

[emmasexytime]

Are they selling hardlinks to pay for the traffic buy?

[Klen]

Originally Posted by wankawonk

That's exactly what I'm doing, and also A/B testing landers (thumbnails, order of categories, site designs), bids, countries, and more. It's just not profitable. My initial ROI hasn't gone much above -70% on anything I've tried, and I'm paying over .20 per engaged session (where the user makes several clicks on my site) AFTER optimizing...engaged users are worth about .001-.002 per session, so these engaged users would have to return at least 100 times, possibly 200, to be profitable.



Right, you build some repeat users with skimmed traffic and Google will like your site better (probably because you generate brand searches on google for your domain). I've seen this happen in practice on some of my sites.

But a lot of the sites buying a shit-ton of feeder traffic have no SE traffic and have been buying feeder hits for years.

With buying traffic you can manipulate bounce ratio factor but you still need a lot of backlinks otherwise effort is useless.

[wankawonk]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

With buying traffic you can manipulate bounce ratio factor but you still need a lot of backlinks otherwise effort is useless.

Backlinks will always be important. you can't rank w/o them

But, a lot of experts are seeing traffic and on-site metrics as more important:

https://www.semrush.com/ranking-factors/

Direct traffic is #1 ranking factor according to semrush. IMO direct traffic is too easy to manipulate to be a factor, but google can measure brand searches on google that result in an engaged session as a hard-to-manipulate proxy for direct traffic.

Also I don't think google cares about metrics on paid traffic. They only care about metrics on the traffic they send you--if they see good bouncerate/ToS on SE clicks they'll rank your site higher. So, manipulating your overall bouncerate/ToS with paid traffic seems pointless based on what I believe. The only reason paid traffic helps SEO is because it increases brand searches. Just what I believe, could be wrong.

I like feeder traffic because it increases my brand searches and I've seen that google likes when your domain generates brand searches. But I still don't understand how so many sites have no SE traffic and still buy tons of feeder traffic. They must have a secret sauce to monetize it.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by wankawonk

Backlinks will always be important. you can't rank w/o them

But, a lot of experts are seeing traffic and on-site metrics as more important:

https://www.semrush.com/ranking-factors/

Direct traffic is #1 ranking factor according to semrush. IMO direct traffic is too easy to manipulate to be a factor, but google can measure brand searches on google that result in an engaged session as a hard-to-manipulate proxy for direct traffic.

Also I don't think google cares about metrics on paid traffic. They only care about metrics on the traffic they send you--if they see good bouncerate/ToS on SE clicks they'll rank your site higher. So, manipulating your overall bouncerate/ToS with paid traffic seems pointless based on what I believe. The only reason paid traffic helps SEO is because it increases brand searches. Just what I believe, could be wrong.

I like feeder traffic because it increases my brand searches and I've seen that google likes when your domain generates brand searches. But I still don't understand how so many sites have no SE traffic and still buy tons of feeder traffic. They must have a secret sauce to monetize it.

Once again, they trade traffic, so they more traffic which then they sell to another ad network. Same can be done even without trades, which is basicly a traffic arbitrage.

[wankawonk]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Once again, they trade traffic, so they more traffic which then they sell to another ad network. Same can be done even without trades, which is basicly a traffic arbitrage.

I must be doing something wrong?

Traffic I get from feeder networks or from trades "converts" (has an engaged session) somewhere between 5% and 15% depending on the source/lander/etc. And my landers are a lot cleaner than your average smartcj tube

Even if I were to get 2 hits for every hit I send the conversion rate isn't high enough to make better profit than I could just selling my traffic. No matter how I run the numbers I'm better off just to sell my traffic and never trade/buy any back. The only reason I buy it is to build brand searches as part of my SEO budget.

How do these traffic trading sites make money?

[NoWhErE]

Nobody here is going to give you the secret. Nobody wants more competition.

You'll have to figure it out yourself.

[wankawonk]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Nobody here is going to give you the secret. Nobody wants more competition.

You'll have to figure it out yourself.

No one's gonna give away a comprehensive how-to about what they're doing, but there's lots of smart people on this forum and you can get a lot of good information by analyzing the bits and pieces and reading between the lines

In the end I'll have to figure it out myself. But even in this thread so far, I'm getting information that will help.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Nobody here is going to give you the secret. Nobody wants more competition.

You'll have to figure it out yourself.

When it comes to traffic trading/traffic arbitrage there is no competition. In fact, more sites doing means more traffic available.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by wankawonk

No one's gonna give away a comprehensive how-to about what they're doing, but there's lots of smart people on this forum and you can get a lot of good information by analyzing the bits and pieces and reading between the lines

In the end I'll have to figure it out myself. But even in this thread so far, I'm getting information that will help.

Yep that is a key, by analysing traffic flows.

[NoWhErE]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

When it comes to traffic trading/traffic arbitrage there is no competition. In fact, more sites doing means more traffic available.

There is huge competition. If more people start doing it, it'll just decrease the profit margins for everyone.

Have you ever tried buying the truly productive traffic from traffic sellers? There's a long waiting line and there isn't much available. The rest is pure crap. You won't make money with that traffic.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

There is huge competition. If more people start doing it, it'll just decrease the profit margins for everyone.

Have you ever tried buying the truly productive traffic from traffic sellers? There's a long waiting line and there isn't much available. The rest is pure crap. You won't make money with that traffic.

Not really, however there is one huge problem in trading - available trade partners. If you can get traffic only from shitty trade partners, then you wont get far with it. And in this era is particulary problematic as most trade powered sites owner are russians and they seems to trade mostly with russians only. And also buying productive traffic for feeding it's not problem at all.