Business Where are the business threads and discussion?

[Oracle Porn]

I really don't come to this shithole for racism, political news & debates or the rest of the trash the accumulated in this place lately, why is there no way to filter business threads?

[lezinterracial]

Webmaster Q&A
https://gfy.com/webmaster-q-and-fuckin-a/

[brassmonkey]

why don't you start some threads???

[plsureking]

every couple months another industry veteran comes on here and posts the same thing lol

porn is booming this year, but biz is not being discussed on boards (other than nube questions)

i just lurk about once a week...

#porncms

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

I really don't come to this shithole for racism, political news & debates or the rest of the trash the accumulated in this place lately, why is there no way to filter business threads?

In 2 years you've made 20 threads

That's less than one thread a month.

Thank you for your contribution every little bit helps

[incredibleworkethic]

I've been doing some biz threads. In fact, just about to write one now!

[adultchatpay]

Start a "every 50th" post contest.
I miss that one.

[incredibleworkethic]

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-p...2-request.html

[Paul Markham]

The porn business, except for free sites, is much smaller today. So people now discuss what's left!!

[RycEric]

Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

I really don't come to this shithole for racism, political news & debates or the rest of the trash the accumulated in this place lately, why is there no way to filter business threads?

Have luck

[AmeliaG]

There needs to be a way to put all the politics in its own forum and leave the main forum bearable for actual professionals who work in this industry.

Not a way to move everything else to a special forum.

[$5 submissions]

Be the change you want to see by BUMPING and PARTICIPATING in business threads

[Paul Markham]

The business, excluding dating which is mostly mainstream, is a shadow of what it used to be. Plus what is left is largely large companies who buy traffic from tubes and are no longer bothered with new affiliates, buying traffic from large sites.

How long is it that we had a real discussions about porn?

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The porn business, except for free sites, is much smaller today. So people now discuss what's left!!

online porn is much bigger today than 5 years ago, its just consolidated. the little guys are scraping by, but the bigger producers are rocking and rolling.

i installed 60 sites in September and a little more than half that this month. like 20% for startups and new models, the rest for established producers. i've done a lot of billing integration work this month too - vendo, rocketgate, mobius.

many millions still flowing thru our network. much more than last year..

#porncms

[thirdworldxxx]

We still here if anyone need good content for their sites. No brokers, deal directly with the studio. Been doing a lot of business just not on the boards. Hit me up

[JasonCollins]

Originally Posted by plsureking

every couple months another industry veteran comes on here and posts the same thing lol

porn is booming this year, but biz is not being discussed on boards (other than nube questions)

i just lurk about once a week...

#porncms

What he said!

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by plsureking

online porn is much bigger today than 5 years ago, its just consolidated. the little guys are scraping by, but the bigger producers are rocking and rolling.

i installed 60 sites in September and a little more than half that this month. like 20% for startups and new models, the rest for established producers. i've done a lot of billing integration work this month too - vendo, rocketgate, mobius.

many millions still flowing thru our network. much more than last year..

#porncms

The business is a fraction of what it was 10 years ago.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The business is a fraction of what it was 10 years ago.

maybe your business lol

15 years ago it was easy for any chump to make a million. 10 years ago it started getting a lot harder. now it takes professionalism, hard work, and some good plans.

i could give you a list of guys who would tell you this year is their best in online porn so far - but i'm not sharing my client list

#porncms

[CaptainHowdy]

This counts as a discussion . . .

[pimpmaster9000]

the money is still there only the low hanging fruit has been picked...the giraffes still find plenty of food but the ones who can not climb trees or reach the fruit think it is gone...

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

the money is still there only the low hanging fruit has been picked...the giraffes still find plenty of food but the ones who can not climb trees or reach the fruit think it is gone...

Man, I love giraffes . . .

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by plsureking

but i'm not sharing

Pretty much nobody shares important stuff here like in the old days because we've learned that within a day a GFY scammer will strip a new site and clone it 5 times to fuck you over, and the same with new ideas, and the person will still be allowed to post here

We still share basics, tech help, industry news, tech news, SEO tips, etc.

[Crak_Eric]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

the money is still there only the low hanging fruit has been picked...the giraffes still find plenty of food but the ones who can not climb trees or reach the fruit think it is gone...

What a great way of putting it - love it!

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

the money is still there only the low hanging fruit has been picked...the giraffes still find plenty of food but the ones who can not climb trees or reach the fruit think it is gone...

you saw one climb a tree??? puff puff pass!

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Pretty much nobody shares important stuff here like in the old days because we've learned that within a day a GFY scammer will strip a new site and clone it 5 times to fuck you over, and the same with new ideas, and the person will still be allowed to post here

We still share basics, tech help, industry news, tech news, SEO tips, etc.

no doubt. i get some clients who won't even share their business plan. just say 'build this so we can plug it in here' lol

#porncms

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by plsureking

maybe your business lol

15 years ago it was easy for any chump to make a million. 10 years ago it started getting a lot harder. now it takes professionalism, hard work, and some good plans.

i could give you a list of guys who would tell you this year is their best in online porn so far - but i'm not sharing my client list

#porncms

Agreed 15 years ago lots of people were making big money, both online and off. Now it's a lot harder because Tubes, Torrents give everything away for free. You cannot replace the 100s of millions getting free porn and 1-5,000-10,000 buying off bought traffic. Maybe you are doing better than 15 years ago, every survey says the industry is smaller and forums are now dead, dying or diminished.

A secret clients list as is a secret business turnover prove nothing. Until you host some big players or buy in large amounts of porn to resell your opinion is that of a small player.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Pretty much nobody shares important stuff here like in the old days because we've learned that within a day a GFY scammer will strip a new site and clone it 5 times to fuck you over, and the same with new ideas, and the person will still be allowed to post here

We still share basics, tech help, industry news, tech news, SEO tips, etc.

I was telling people from the start that the idea of sharing information was stupid.

However it takes a lot more than knowledge of a good site to recreate it. The script is on view for everyone. Yes they can rip off the content, but can they reproduce it, promote it, find the cam girls, fund the premises, staff, labour, etc. Only if they are very small and insignificant.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Crak_Eric

What a great way of putting it - love it!

I agree with Cruci. Once the food from the lowest heights to the top of the mountain. Now the only feast is limited to the top of the tree.

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by plsureking

#porncms

#ilikepoo

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by plsureking

no doubt. i get some clients who won't even share their business plan. just say 'build this so we can plug it in here' lol

#porncms

What is so great your clients have to keep secret?

If all they have is a business plan that can be duplicated easily, they're very small.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

#ilikepoo

haha yea hashes in comments get into search, sigs are ignored

#porncms

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

What is so great your clients have to keep secret?

If all they have is a business plan that can be duplicated easily, they're very small.

the small ones don't have secret plans (duh)

i don't think you have any idea what's going on in this industry anymore, especially at the higher levels. have you ever had a strategy meeting with a producer doing more than $10m a year? more than $100k a year?

the producers i service earning less than $5k a month don't pay my bills. that's lunch money.



#porncms

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by plsureking

the small ones don't have secret plans (duh)

i don't think you have any idea what's going on in this industry anymore, especially at the higher levels. have you ever had a strategy meeting with a producer doing more than $10m a year? more than $100k a year?

the producers i service earning less than $5k a month don't pay my bills. that's lunch money.



#porncms

A secret plan is no longer a secret once it's being executed and online. That's the beauty of online.

Your bench marks are low, very low. I did business with people doing far more than that. $10m a year was low end stuff in the days when porn had to be bought.

A business plan is just the beginning. After that it requires skill, talent, knowledge, money, connections, experience, etc to put it into action. You give yourself away when you say $5k a month producers only pay your lunch bill. 10 x $5k = $50k 50 x $5k = $250k a month.

So let's ask you some direct questions and cut out the spin. Which sites did you buy up to put into your marvellous CMS? How much content do you get shot each month for your sites? Where are the large producers proclaiming how marvellous your CMS is? All we see is two single models, one in a small niche.

If you can't produce your own sites you're left taking a cut from small producers, unless you can show otherwise. And if you keep hiding behind the same excuse we know you're spinning. Large producers need far more than a secret business plan to protect what they have.

I'll be honest the secret to my success was in finding brand new girls, charming them, then knowing how to shoot them, knowing the angles, poses, looks, settings, but above all knowing which ones could do the job. You have no clue about what was earned and still think everything can be copied with a business plan. Yes, the only thing stopping you from becoming like Brazzers is their business plan.

[Paul Markham]

The problem today is there is very little left to discuss, teach and explore. The days when there were 1,000s here it was easier. Affiliates were learning more and more and their skills could be picked up with a plan that was easy to follow. Sponsors were here in the 100s trying to teach affiliates how it was done and convincing them they had the tools that were needed. And there was very little apart from paysites to promote.

Today a paysite can convince Tubes to place their content near the top and if it's good enough content it gets a few sales. There are other means but nothing to compare. TGPs, Blogs, etc are small fry.

Then there are the various forms of buying traffic which is an art. The price traffic is sold at and the value of it tells you how good that traffic is.

The one exception is social media. I know a few girls earning a good living promoting themselves on social media, FB, Twitter, Snapchat, etc. The one thing they have to have is a good product and extensive coverage, few people sign up because they saw one picture.

I feel today the strength of anything lies in the product. There's so much available for free and for so long, that the potential member has to really be impressed with it. That can't be achieved by a crystal clear image or a great server/CMS. Those things are easy and duplicated everywhere.

What makes porn stand out is convincing the viewer that it's being done for real. Even if the set up is fake, the sex has to real. Girls, guys in the gay scene, that act like models doing a job are no longer convincing many to buy a membership. So producers and studio managers have to make sure girls put some heat into the action. Sadly some are not bothering.

The worse are some of those who buy in custom content or pay for studio time. No one bothers to push the girls and it remains pot luck if they put on a good show.

Now discuss this.

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Now discuss this.

What's to discuss? I cant debate or disagree with a single word you said...

[SecondFloor]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The problem today is there is very little left to discuss, teach and explore. The days when there were 1,000s here it was easier. Affiliates were learning more and more and their skills could be picked up with a plan that was easy to follow. Sponsors were here in the 100s trying to teach affiliates how it was done and convincing them they had the tools that were needed. And there was very little apart from paysites to promote.

Today a paysite can convince Tubes to place their content near the top and if it's good enough content it gets a few sales. There are other means but nothing to compare. TGPs, Blogs, etc are small fry.

Then there are the various forms of buying traffic which is an art. The price traffic is sold at and the value of it tells you how good that traffic is.

The one exception is social media. I know a few girls earning a good living promoting themselves on social media, FB, Twitter, Snapchat, etc. The one thing they have to have is a good product and extensive coverage, few people sign up because they saw one picture.

I feel today the strength of anything lies in the product. There's so much available for free and for so long, that the potential member has to really be impressed with it. That can't be achieved by a crystal clear image or a great server/CMS. Those things are easy and duplicated everywhere.

What makes porn stand out is convincing the viewer that it's being done for real. Even if the set up is fake, the sex has to real. Girls, guys in the gay scene, that act like models doing a job are no longer convincing many to buy a membership. So producers and studio managers have to make sure girls put some heat into the action. Sadly some are not bothering.

The worse are some of those who buy in custom content or pay for studio time. No one bothers to push the girls and it remains pot luck if they put on a good show.

Now discuss this.

A lot of this rings true to my (limited) experience in adult so far. While other industries have been more nimble, adult online properties (both content sites and their marketing affiliates) have fallen way behind the curve in their web tech, design, and quality of content. There is so much stuff out there that looks like it was made in 2003, and looks like a scam to any discerning customer.

I think this is where the opportunity is in adult now - modernizing the experience for a more savvy consumer. Someone who's going to drop money on a paysite in 2018 knows it's a luxury product - they can stream 1080p porn for free! This person is looking for quality above all else. They have disposable income they're willing to drop. They're probably a professional person looking for a unique experience. A low-effort wordpress blog or free cam clone will NOT convince them to hand over their cash.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by SecondFloor

A lot of this rings true to my (limited) experience in adult so far. While other industries have been more nimble, adult online properties (both content sites and their marketing affiliates) have fallen way behind the curve in their web tech, design, and quality of content. There is so much stuff out there that looks like it was made in 2003, and looks like a scam to any discerning customer.

I think this is where the opportunity is in adult now - modernizing the experience for a more savvy consumer. Someone who's going to drop money on a paysite in 2018 knows it's a luxury product - they can stream 1080p porn for free! This person is looking for quality above all else. They have disposable income they're willing to drop. They're probably a professional person looking for a unique experience. A low-effort wordpress blog or free cam clone will NOT convince them to hand over their cash.

These are my experiences in over 50 years of being in porn.

It started with 8mm films that had to get to the action very fast and finish very fast. Then adult cinema got involved. Then video, now digital and online. The deciding factor before online was persuading an editor or distributor that it was good enough to publish. Then when in the shops buyers had to respond positively to a brand they liked.

Today it's very different. Anybody can pick up a camera and shoot porn then publish it online. They may not make a profit but the bar has never been so low. Also the money put aside for content is measly compared to offline prices. The result was simple, with some very exceptional sites ignored we had an abundance of sites that were very weak on the actual product.

Content producers didn't have the experience, skills, talent and money to find good models, instruct them in what they was required of them to get paid a week to a months wages for 6-8 hours work. they let models get away with weak performances, cloned pseudo porn model performances and little regard for the end user. Also producers often overworked models so a good performance wasn't possible.

Then the bad angles and poses were legendary. Often showing way too much genitalia so if the model did have anything to give it was lost because the cameraman was obsessed by genitalia.

Then the endless repetition of scenes in a site. There are just so many times you can talk a girl into a van in 2 minutes and persuade her to fuck strangers in another two before it becomes boring. That was an example and Bang Bus was pretty good but it got very boring after a while. People didn't want to pay $30 for membership to a site that had the same scene in repeated multiple times, that gets very boring after a few days.

However in the early days sites were able to convert 1-300 to 600 clicks. Taking into account that the audience was much wider that still meant 100s were not signing up. With the advent of a far lower hosting and bandwidth cost Tubes and piracy offered the user an alternative that was free. No longer was he forced to buy a low grade product, he could look at it on a Tube/Torrent, assess its value and whether he needed to pay $30 for a months supply of that scene and sign up or not. With cams it was even easier, he could see the model free and assess if he wanted her.

What hid conversion rates was the huge business that porn was. Getting 1-300 didn't concern people because they were getting, 6,000 to 30,000 and up clicks a day. Those numbers are to illustrate the situation. Very few sites stopped and thought :What can we do to improve conversions". The endless cry was "Throw more traffic at a site that leaks like a bucket".

So more of the same for free was given to affiliates, more tools, hosting, support, marketing, etc. Rarely did a site owner ask, advice, pay for a better product. They haggled on price saying they could get a better price elsewhere or shot it themselves. Some even boasted how much content they could turn out in a day.

Today it's too late for most but the very good and usually rich. Pornhub is getting 50, 40, 30 million hits on some videos. That shows you the size of the audience, but how many have signed up to a site which only changes the girl in the scene?

But don't worry a secret business plan is all that's needed!!!!

[Oracle Porn]

thread hijacked by stories of old times....

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

A secret plan is no longer a secret once it's being executed and online. That's the beauty of online.

Your bench marks are low, very low. I did business with people doing far more than that. $10m a year was low end stuff in the days when porn had to be bought.

A business plan is just the beginning. After that it requires skill, talent, knowledge, money, connections, experience, etc to put it into action. You give yourself away when you say $5k a month producers only pay your lunch bill. 10 x $5k = $50k 50 x $5k = $250k a month.

So let's ask you some direct questions and cut out the spin. Which sites did you buy up to put into your marvellous CMS? How much content do you get shot each month for your sites? Where are the large producers proclaiming how marvellous your CMS is? All we see is two single models, one in a small niche.

If you can't produce your own sites you're left taking a cut from small producers, unless you can show otherwise.

i had to bullet point this. i have a busy day..

* maybe you knew some people doing a bit of business back in the day, but now your full-time job is gfy troll. you play with numbers trying to figure things out, but you are out of touch with the real business going on TODAY.

* i worked on massive stuff back in the day too. i built Ford's first dealer intranet. what i did 10 or 20 years ago, or even last year, means jack shit. today is all that matters.

* my biggest client today did revenue of $4.8 billion last year, obviously not from online porn. PornCMS is a nice platform that still makes people a lot of money every day, but i'm a developer. the cms takes about 3-5 hours a week of my time. the rest of my 60-80 hour week is billable.

* business plans go way beyond building and displaying a site. upsells, cross-sells, one-clicks, just to name a few. yes, plans can stay secret after a site is live lol

* why would i need to own sites to make a lot of money with my cms? and why would selling a cms relegate me to only working with small producers? there's no truth or logic behind either of those statements. i have big and small clients, nearly all of which make more than you TODAY.

that's my social time today. enjoy trolling!

#porncms

[davidCRM]

Originally Posted by SecondFloor

... I think this is where the opportunity is in adult now - modernizing the experience for a more savvy consumer.

^ this is the key that's greatly overlooked.

but let's be honest, porn has never been setting trends, just closely following them.
in porn, the biggest motive is "porn is awesome, let's make money!" instead of "let's innovate and make the world a better place" so this role is kinda set.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by davidCRM

^ this is the key that's greatly overlooked.

but let's be honest, porn has never been setting trends, just closely following them.
in porn, the biggest motive is "porn is awesome, let's make money!" instead of "let's innovate and make the world a better place" so this role is kinda set.

The only two trends I can think about were the big tits and teen trends. They were launched 30+ years ago.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by plsureking

i had to bullet point this. i have a busy day..

* maybe you knew some people doing a bit of business back in the day, but now your full-time job is gfy troll. you play with numbers trying to figure things out, but you are out of touch with the real business going on TODAY.

* i worked on massive stuff back in the day too. i built Ford's first dealer intranet. what i did 10 or 20 years ago, or even last year, means jack shit. today is all that matters.

* my biggest client today did revenue of $4.8 billion last year, obviously not from online porn. PornCMS is a nice platform that still makes people a lot of money every day, but i'm a developer. the cms takes about 3-5 hours a week of my time. the rest of my 60-80 hour week is billable.

* business plans go way beyond building and displaying a site. upsells, cross-sells, one-clicks, just to name a few. yes, plans can stay secret after a site is live lol

* why would i need to own sites to make a lot of money with my cms? and why would selling a cms relegate me to only working with small producers? there's no truth or logic behind either of those statements. i have big and small clients, nearly all of which make more than you TODAY.

that's my social time today. enjoy trolling!

#porncms

So doing business with people who had £100s of millions is small time. Good of you to advice as all of that. You can research the people I did business with. Sullivan, Godl, Raymond, Flynt, etc. You are clueless about who had the money back in the day.

We're discussing porn no other business need be bought in. However if you want to. I did major business with Bank of America, Saudi Royal Family, American Government and more back in the days of selling installations of offices.

None of what you mention is a secret, just normal things people do when opening site.

Why would you own site where you could put your own money to work for you? Making a lot more profit. Stick to taking a small slice.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

thread hijacked by stories of old times....

I was telling people that the most important thing today is getting the product right. Today we have the best equipment available and for a song. It's possible to shoot porn using a phone. The definition, sound, lighting are simple. Still the product, with some exceptions, is poor.

No business plan will persuade people to buy today if the product isn't right for them. If you're only an affiliate you have to make sure you get the content of your marketing and product spot on. Instead of slinging more traffic at something that doesn't work.

How much discussion goes into getting the product right?

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So doing business with people who had £100s of millions is small time. Good of you to advice as all of that. You can research the people I did business with. Sullivan, Godl, Raymond, Flynt, etc. You are clueless about who had the money back in the day.

We're discussing porn no other business need be bought in. However if you want to. I did major business with Bank of America, Saudi Royal Family, American Government and more back in the days of selling installations of offices.

None of what you mention is a secret, just normal things people do when opening site.

Why would you own site where you could put your own money to work for you? Making a lot more profit. Stick to taking a small slice.

Ya you keep making my point for me. You're a has-been who just trolls gfy trying to relive the days when you (somewhat) mattered. I do miss fighting with you tho. You were just as irrelevant when I fought with you 5 years ago. I'm just continuing the thread to add a little life to gfy.

What blows my mind about you, Paul, is how you never evolved. You even spit out the same argument over and over - no one is making money because you aren't making money. Everybody in the biz from 15 years ago who's still in it has evolved into other areas and business models. Yet you don't believe any other business model exists.

That's your problem, not mine lol

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[CaptainHowdy]

Now you've got Paul Markham all riled up . . .

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Now you've got Paul Markham all riled up . . .

fighting about biz instead of politics is slightly better. kinda like the old days lol

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[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

thread hijacked by stories of old times....

You complain about so few business threads in the "fucking around" section of GFY. Then when you're given the GFY section where the business threads are you don't thank the person who posted the info, but rather complain about where your thread went after you abandoned it for eight days.

Originally Posted by lezinterracial

Webmaster Q&A
https://gfy.com/webmaster-q-and-fuckin-a/

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by plsureking

Ya you keep making my point for me. You're a has-been who just trolls gfy trying to relive the days when you (somewhat) mattered.

You act like all his photography skills don't exist.

You act like, with all his years of online experience & mentorship, nothing he says has value.

What he says does have value and you're the guy that resorts to hateful bitter personal insults because your low intellect was out witted by Paul again.

Paul isn't right about some things but the things he is right about matter just as much.

Paul helped guide thousands of people over the years, making people millions, and he's still here after so many moved on. Show some respect.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You act like...

you act like the guy isn't a huge troll who argues with anyone claiming the industry is doing well.

if you read the thread, you would understand why i fought back. i didn't attack, i defended.

he knows about one business model. put up content, a paywall, and hope people subscribe. anyone claiming there's another business model in porn must be lying. he claimed i was lying multiple times before i fought back. he even asked for my clients' business plans and my client list. he earned what i gave him.



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[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You complain about so few business threads in the "fucking around" section of GFY. Then when you're given the GFY section where the business threads are you don't thank the person who posted the info, but rather complain about where your thread went after you abandoned it for eight days.

The idea that there are so many political threads in the main forum that any other casual conversation should be forgotten and business should go in the newbie question forum ... not a good plan.