SleepWalker

I have some old links pointing to femjoy.com. Found out today that last month I basically had no new signups, just rebills. Then I noticed the join form changed and the site now seem to be part of Gamma.

Tried to find it femjoy under their aff programs, no luck.

adultinnovation

They have no link to any Affiliate program on the site.

Email: [email protected]


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This is all I could find. Good luck!

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SleepWalker

yeah, that cash.femjoy site is the old setup with ccbill.

Email sent to [email protected] will see if I get any reply.

3xmedia

also, there are traffic leaks on their FHGs, they put links/banners withnout your affiliate code there. I tried to contact them lately-no response. stopped pushing them last month and pulling the old links slowly.

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New things on the horizon? hmmm???

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This is absolutely not fair to affiliates!

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EdgyBuzz

Femjoy and Joymii were recently purchased by Gamma and we are moving away from the CCBill affiliate program, so we are not accepting any new signups via the old CCbill program (hence the removal of the links).

Presently we are configuring NATS and will be importing all CCbill affiliates into NATS.

All traffic with a a CCbill affiliate link still goes to the CCbill join page and all credit is still being given. If you don't have a CCbill link (meaning internal organic traffic), you get our billing instead.All CCbill affiliate sales are still being tracked and paid out via CCbill.

We are (eventually) setting up a script after the affiliate import that will convert the links to be tracked in NATS instead, meaning no conversions will be lost but they will go through our own billing instead. We have to do all of this in steps though, including moving their servers, so we havne't rushed into it or made any formal announcements yet.


We will have a formal communication from the Gamma side with all affiliates once the import is done and let everyone know how to access the new accounts. The former owner also sent an email about his new site to affiliates and this transition, but if your address doens't match what's in your CCbill account it's been brought to my attention that some people might not have gotten it.

BigFurry

Thanks for the info.

Epoch does not seem to be properly tracked via CCBILL though. It's not part of a CCBILL cascade.

Is it possible to switch links to NATS now rather than waiting for the import to finish?

SleepWalker

I don't think so...

Even using these links format:
refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=927141-0000&PA=XXXXXXX&html=https://www.joymii.com/
refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=927141-0000&PA=XXXXXXX&html=https://www.femjoy.com/

People get the NATS join page and credit isn't recorded by ccbill.

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EdgyBuzz

Yes, you can set up a NATS account now at [nats.femjoy.com] in which case all joins go through our billing in TC and will be paid out via Gamma. All existing rebills will still pay out via CCbill.

There won't be any tools etc in it but I'll get you approved immediately.

EdgyBuzz

definitely in the works

EdgyBuzz

It goes through the NATS prejoin and the postback is done to CCBill to track credit.

EdgyBuzz

We are working quickly to move to NATS instead of importing to our existing cash programs so that we can improve a lot of processes for affiliates going forward. Gamma is expanding at a really rapid rate this year and we are doing so with more flexibility than we have in the past, because we realize that one of the bottlenecks is often trying to make legacy businesses fit into the Gamma shaped box.

The one thing you can count on though is that we carefully consider the impacts of each move that we make and aren't changing anything just for the sake of making it look like the rest of our business.

EdgyBuzz

These emails are being redirected to me, but I've answered all of the ones that I've gotten. If you've reached out and I haven't responded, try webmaster at femjoy dot com also.

EdgyBuzz

Also it wasn't a cascade then or now, it was a rotation. The prejoin (via Custom system) checked for CCbill tracking and if it existed, you got CCbill, if it didn't, it was a 50/50 split between epoch and ccbill.

So Epoch wouldn't be shown on affiliate tracking. All billers were listed on all pages though, since it was more complicated to change the prejoin page then to redirect to the appropriate biller.

Denny

How about Femjoy and joymii FHGs? Are the sales made thru them tracked? I have lots of blog posts with them online. I wouldn't like to remove them.

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EdgyBuzz

Yep, those are staying on CCbill for now for that reason. CCbill will remain active, we are mostly just trying to move new traffic to our own billing. There will still be some new signups and rebills there.

We know from experience that all those millions of older links need to go someplace, hence the mention above of the the script to translate CCbill links to NATS links. That should alleviate the need to replace older links.

SleepWalker

Hmmm, really weird that I basically didn't get any new signup last month. Anyway I am going to get a NATS link and we will what happens this month.

Question: Are you going to add Paxum or something better than check by mail?

3xmedia

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a holes! no announcement?? oh wait after this fuking thread!

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BigFurry

Thanks for the infos. Yes Paxum would be nice. :-)

Also, what about the new site Step Secrets?

3xmedia

not sure but Gamma probably bought femjoy and joymii only.

stepsecrets is pretty new, lack of content currently.

anyway I see a banner+link for stepsecrets on all femjoy and joymii FHGs. of course without my affiliate code hope it will be removed ASAP.

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BigFurry

Can you guys please double check if the billers are properly handled in the join form when using NATS links?

Using NATS affiliate links for FemJoy:

Femjoy TrustCharge checkout -> Good, posts back to standard NATS JOIN FORM (https://join.femjoy.com/signup/signup.php?nats=)
Femjoy Paypal checkout -> Questionable, doesn't postback data to NATS but a plain URL (https://femjoy.com/subscription/post/join)
Femjoy CCBill checkout -> Questionable, doesn't postback data to NATS but a plain URL (https://femjoy.com/subscription/post/join)

Same on Joymii with NATS affiliate links:

Joymii TrustCharge checkout -> Good, posts back to standard NATS JOIN FORM (https://join.femjoy.com/signup/signup.php?nats=)
Joymii Paypal checkout -> Questionable, doesn't postback data to NATS but a plain URL (https://femjoy.com/subscription/post/join)
Joymii CCBill checkout -> Questionable, doesn't postback data to NATS but a plain URL (https://femjoy.com/subscription/post/join)

For instance Vivid, another NATS program of yours always post backs to NATS JOIN FORM - even with PayPal.

Personally I'm glad you're moving things to NATS, better tracking than CCBILL

j3rkules

It is good to know that.

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EdgyBuzz

That is strange, since we didn't make the switch in the join since halfway through the month.


Yes we will offer allt he payouts that Gamma does, including wire and Paxum.

EdgyBuzz

For a few reasons:
-doing it this way allowed us to make sure we could safely migrate affiliates off of CCbill.

-ecause we are in full sprint acquisition mode and that takes time and resources to do that would slow us down.

-Also we have been working on testing a new platform that we may move everything to and it would be a waste of money. NATS does the trick until we decide what direction current sites, the new sites and future sights we have offers on will go.

EdgyBuzz

The prejoin means that no affiliate sales are going through EPOCH. They either go through Trustcharge and are posted in NATS or go to CCbill and are tracked in CCbill.

We will be removing Paypal soon too. I'm pretty sure it's just cannibalizing sales for a higher processing rate. The whole goal is to move everything to NATS/TC ASAP without affiliates losing any traffic and sales.


The best thing you can do is switch to NATS links and then you know it's all tracked.

EdgyBuzz

Yes, we bought Femjoy, Joymii and Nutabu, but not stepsecrets. The FHG's need a lot of work and that's what I'll tackle next after the billing. I want to update them and get them on NATS.

EdgyBuzz

I saw it on the joymii ones and had it removed. Can you send me links if you find it anywhere else?

This doens't benefit gamma either, so I'll do what I can to fix it ASAP.

BigFurry

Do you mean that EPOCH (PAYPAL) is not supposed to appear if using a new affiliate link from NATS?
Because it does, and you can enter your credit card number or Pay with Paypal in Epoch.

Appreciate it that you reply, address the issues and help Many sponsors don't bother anymore.

3xmedia

Ok, Femjoy FHGs should be ok, just noticed that Stepsecrets banner on joymii FHGs is now replaced with "Holiday Sale" banner and its link contains PA=2537639, instead of my affiliate ID (PA).

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EdgyBuzz

With NATS links we haven't removed paypal yet. It doesn't show with CCbill links though (because CCbill doesn't offer it). This is part of the reason we haven't made a big push to move all the affiliates to NATS.

I'm still finding places where things need to fix while we update all of the compliance on the sites. If you guys find anything that needs to be addressed, please let me know and I'll take care of it ASAP!

EdgyBuzz

I'll look now, but you should still be getting credit. That I think is just so you get the price point on CCBill. Can you send me a link of a specific page of one of yours and I'll have a look? I think the integrator just uncommented out the step secrets banner. We'll test it but it's always best to send a link when you find a problem so you don't get the 'can't recreate it' answer.

**Edit** we are removing the banner for the holiday sale too, just to be safe.

BigFurry

Right. The problem is that it seems that Paypal checkout (Epoch) and Pay via Bank Transfer checkout (CCBILL) are not integrated in NATS, they go around it directly to the biller, at least from what I see.
(Normally they should postback to NATS like with TrustCharge, not a third URL.)

EdgyBuzz

We will not ever integrate those billing methods that are exclusive to Epoch or CCbill into NATS because we have no plans to use them after we move over to NATS fully with our own billing. This is not a cascade, so those biller's will be irrelevant with a few exceptions noted in the next paragraph.

CCbill affiliate traffic doesn't get offered paypal via epoch. They do get offered Bank traffic via CCbill and you can see that traffic there. If you send traffic via CCbill, you only get CCbill. Old links will continue to work this way and again, when you come via a ccbill link, you'll get a ccbill join and you'll be paid out via ccbill, not via gamma.

Paypal will be removed from NATS offers too, so again, no point in taking the time to integrate that into NATS as only organic traffic will get offered that and the people that use it are almost insignificant enough that we might just pull it altogether.

We are not 100% up and running on NATS, but will be probably by the beginning of next week.

BigFurry

Ah ok, so the NATS links do have these extra non-tracking billers currently. But those billers will disappear next week. Sounds good!

Btw if you use some billers without integrating them to NATS, you'll lose some of your data's accuracy in the NATS admin.
That's no concern for me as an affiliate, just sayin'.

Bladewire

Lots of great info here thanks!

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newB

I for one, never got that email from the original owners.

Hopefully the NATS conversion will correct the login error I'm now getting after doing the merge-account thing.

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Denny

Me either.

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EdgyBuzz

If you did an account merge on CCBill, that has nothing to do with NATS/Gamma. That's an error in the CCbill affiliate admin.

You can sign up via NATS and swap out the links effective immediately.

InfoGuy

When did Gamma buy Vivid Cash?

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newB

So, if I understand this correctly, then CCBill affiliates have not been migrated over to the NATS platform, but will have to register again.

However, affiliates can continue to promote through CCBill and thereby promote nutabu and StepSecrets as well as Femjoy and Joymii, but only the latter two are available with the NATS platform.

And the NATS platform isn't offering WM referrals as does the CCBill program.

Is that correct?

Oh, and the Joymii site directs webmasters to the tour with the CCBill signup.

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EdgyBuzz

The CCbill affiliates were migrated as of today and I'm currently sending out more information to the email addresses on file. Essentially you can log into the NATS program with your CCbill account number and then reset your password as long as the email address is still the same.

We will eventually offer WM referrals openly, but for the time being, we are only doing it on a case by case approval after we've verified the webmasters weren't already in the system. This is unfortunately necessary since we saw a lot of attempted fraud referrals after the last program import that we did.

We will discontinue the CCbill program within 60 days, assuming we have successfully mapped via script the ccbill traffic links. If not, it'll wiat till that's done. Ultimately though, we have no intention of continuing to use the CCbill program long term so sooner or later the switch will have to be made.

Stepsecrets can still be promoted via CCbill as we did not acquire that site. Nutabu can be promoted by CCbill too; we bought it but it's been discontinued and we won't migrate the billing unless it's resurrected.

babeterminal

Greetings affiliates!

You are recieving this email as an affiliate of Femjoy and/or Joymii via the CCbill program.
I'm happy to announce that recently Gamma Entertainment has acquired Femjoy and Joymii and have taken over the operations. We are moving away from the CCBill affiliate program, and our aim is to move all affiliates (and new signups) to NATS and on to our billing. As with any legacy program such as Femjoy, it has to be done carefully and thoughtfully to preserve all the traffic and sales. We have to do all of this in steps, including moving their servers, so we haven't rushed it or made any formal announcements prior to now.

We have imported the affiliate accounts into NATS here. The accounts were created using your CCbill ID as the account name and you should be able to do a PW reset to get access. We will be discontinuing the old program within 60 days, but we wanted to give you notice and ample time as well as to tell you what will happen next and when. I strongly encourage you to log in and set up your account in NATS soon, either via the imported account mentiioned above, or via new signup.
It's important to note that all pricing on the old CCBill join page is reverting to regular price ($29.95 per month) as of April 28th. If you would like to be included in the promo offers, you will need to use the NATS program
For the time being, we are not allowing webmaster refferals by default. In past acquisitions, we see mass abuse and fraud with webmaster referrals when we migrate programs so we've decided to wait for the time being. However to be fair, if you are planning on reffering a webmaster then you can write to us with the refferal and we will manually add them to your accouint after verifying they weren't already in our system.
Traffic
I understand right now that the join processing is complicated so to clarify a bit, this is whaat happen when a visitor lands on Femjoy/Joymii:
All traffic with a CCbill affiliate link still goes to the CCbill join page and all credit is still being given tot he refferer. We are keeping the CCbill join page because of all of the FHG and legacy links, so you won't be required to move or change old links, but no new tools will be added to CCBill. We will eventually be setting up a script that will convert the old CCBill links to NATS links, effectively shutting down new any sales on CCBill. We are working on moving the FHG system to NATS as well.
If you don't have a CCbill link, you get our billing instead. Again, all CCbill affiliate sales are still being tracked and paid out via CCbill. Existing CCbill rebills will also be paid out via CCbill indefinitely, as they don't allow us to transfer users to our mids/billing.
If you go directly to the site with no cookie and no refferer, you will see other billing options available that we do not pay commission on, such as Paypal via Epoch. These billing options will not show if you are using CCbill links and they are being removed from NATS affiliate links now.
Payouts:
If you move to NATS and use NATS links, you'll be paid out via Gamma via check, wire or Paxum. Our payout dates are the 1st and 16th (if you meet the minimum payments).
Affiliate mangement will be handled by the existing team for now (yes Thomas is staying with us!) but if you have a relationship with Derrick or Kristina at Gamma, you can always feel free to reach out to them as well. If you want to set up trades with youyr paysite, Kristina is your go to!

If you have any questions, please dont hesitate to ask,

Kind regards,
Nighthawk
Femjoy Editor in Chief

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did anyone get the reset email ?

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