News US 1 million illegal immigrants to be deported

[Paul Markham]

It looks like the US is about to save a lot of money.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ken-cuc...ed-immigrants/

https://www.newsweek.com/top-trump-i...grants-1447925

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019...2771562526962/

https://www.christianpost.com/news/t...mmigrants.html

The financial benefit for America is huge because most of these people don't earn enough to contribute for the government services they require.

Of course if liberals don't want it to happen, they can sponsor illegal immigrants by offering them a home, food, clothing, health insurance, etc and all the education needs the the illegal immigrants children may require. I expect a huge rush of liberals to do this as they offer places for illegal immigrants and I expect people like Stefan, Bladderwire, Crockett, etc to post here how much they agree with giving illegal immigrants their homes to share.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Of course if liberals don't want it to happen, they can sponsor illegal immigrants by offering them a home, food, clothing, health insurance, etc and all the education needs the the illegal immigrants children may require. I expect a huge rush of liberals to do this as they offer places for illegal immigrants and I expect people like Stefan, Bladderwire, Crockett, etc to post here how much they agree with giving illegal immigrants their homes to share.

Watch this Paul..It should be no surprise...

[crockett]

Paul took the stupid pill again..

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by crockett

Paul took the stupid pill again..

If you're so bright please explain yourself.

Of course you can't bitch about not getting your rebate this year because with your support of low earners, you clearly want to pay for them to be in the US.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Watch this Paul..It should be no surprise...

I've seen it and of course it's blatantly true. But there/s no need for liberals to take in illegal immigrants. All they have to do is donate the extra money needed to care for them.

So if each illegal immigrant requires housing, then an initial amount of $20k should cover the cost of additional housing. Then if the illegal immigrant's tax contribution is below the National Average they can make up the difference. Add to that any additional amount required and very soon the number of liberals spending other people's money on illegal immigrants will soon disappear.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I've seen it and of course it's blatantly true. But there/s no need for liberals to take in illegal immigrants. All they have to do is donate the extra money needed to care for them.

So if each illegal immigrant requires housing, then an initial amount of $20k should cover the cost of additional housing. Then if the illegal immigrant's tax contribution is below the National Average they can make up the difference. Add to that any additional amount required and very soon the number of liberals spending other people's money on illegal immigrants will soon disappear.

Once again, you completely don't understand the situation.

In the past, people came to the United States, were given a court date, and was released into the general public. We didn't house them, feed them, or give them healthcare. NOW what is happening is just the opposite.... They come to the United States, we detain them, we house them, we feed them, we clothe them, and we give them free healthcare.

We just signed a bill that includes nearly two billion dollars so we can house them, feed them, clothe them, and give them healthcare.

This is horrible, evil, and vile. They are immigrants in search of a better life, and we are throwing them into prison with no release date, and treating them worse than we treat someone convicted of murder.

Let me explain this in a way you might understand.... YOU are an immigrant. You are in fact British, but live in Czech republic. Imagine one day a new leader moves into office and suddenly you discover your citizenship status has change. (Don't say it can't happen; It's happening here in the United States. We have people who have joined the US military for four years and gone to war for us with the promise they could become citizens, and now they are being deported). Suddenly you get a notice that you need to go to court to secure yout citizen rights, and in court you are told you need to leave the country. At that point you can be arrested, and throw in to a jail cell with thirty other people - with only one toliet. You stay in prison for six months to a year until your court date. At that point, you are physically deported. You've lost your house, your car, your business..... Everything.

This is how we are treating immigrants.

Immigrants used to come to the United States and were greeted with the Statue Of Liberty and open arms. ALL of my original family members came to the US through Eillis Island. Now we lock them up and treat them like dogs.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Watch this Paul..It should be no surprise...

In fact, I have taken in a refugee. More than one, and more than once.

My wife's extended family are from Lebanon. When the shit hits the fan over there, they leave and come to the United States for an extended stay. They all speak English, they are all very nice, and they love to cook.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Rochard

In fact, I have taken in a refugee. More than one, and more than once.

My wife's extended family are from Lebanon. When the shit hits the fan over there, they leave and come to the United States for an extended stay. They all speak English, they are all very nice, and they love to cook.

Oh man, having the family come stay a while isn't exactly taking in a refugee. I am sure they would love to hear you classify them as such.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Let me explain this in a way you might understand.... YOU are an immigrant. You are in fact British, but live in Czech republic. Imagine one day a new leader moves into office and suddenly you discover your citizenship status has change.

No ones citizenship status is being changed.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Once again, you completely don't understand the situation.

In the past, people came to the United States, were given a court date, and was released into the general public. We didn't house them, feed them, or give them healthcare. NOW what is happening is just the opposite.... They come to the United States, we detain them, we house them, we feed them, we clothe them, and we give them free healthcare.

We just signed a bill that includes nearly two billion dollars so we can house them, feed them, clothe them, and give them healthcare.

This is horrible, evil, and vile. They are immigrants in search of a better life, and we are throwing them into prison with no release date, and treating them worse than we treat someone convicted of murder.

Let me explain this in a way you might understand.... YOU are an immigrant. You are in fact British, but live in Czech republic. Imagine one day a new leader moves into office and suddenly you discover your citizenship status has change. (Don't say it can't happen; It's happening here in the United States. We have people who have joined the US military for four years and gone to war for us with the promise they could become citizens, and now they are being deported). Suddenly you get a notice that you need to go to court to secure yout citizen rights, and in court you are told you need to leave the country. At that point you can be arrested, and throw in to a jail cell with thirty other people - with only one toliet. You stay in prison for six months to a year until your court date. At that point, you are physically deported. You've lost your house, your car, your business..... Everything.

This is how we are treating immigrants.

Immigrants used to come to the United States and were greeted with the Statue Of Liberty and open arms. ALL of my original family members came to the US through Eillis Island. Now we lock them up and treat them like dogs.

Once again you get it wrong. The government may not have given them a home, but they still needed one so who pays for it?

Who pays for the food or do they work,putting an American out of a job, to fund their food. How many earn enough to really contribute?

Healthcare is provided if they have an accident, child, etc. So is schooling, prisons, policing, courts, etc.

Coming to a country to contribute to build a better life for yourself and your family is a good thing, if it doesn't mean a citizen takes a pay cut, the person coming ends up earning less and paying less in taxes or cost the country more than he contributes.

inking Ellis Island legal immigrants with today's illegal immigrants is a big mistake. 150 years ago America desperately needed more people. Today it doesn't. Automation is going to make 10,000,000s of people unemployed. Then you can add Globalisation to the 10,000,000s jobs that paid well and raised trillions in taxes, moved out of the US.

As for my status in Czech. I provided the wages of approximately 20 people a month, both full time and models part time, then there's the taxes we all paid into the Czech Government, my money, except my pension plans, was spent and kept inside Czech. My private and British pensions are paid into my Czech banks. But if the Czech government insists on kicking me out, we will sell up and move back to the UK.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by baddog

Oh man, having the family come stay a while isn't exactly taking in a refugee. I am sure they would love to hear you classify them as such.

They were refugees. They fled their country because it was unsafe.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

In fact, I have taken in a refugee. More than one, and more than once.

My wife's extended family are from Lebanon. When the shit hits the fan over there, they leave and come to the United States for an extended stay. They all speak English, they are all very nice, and they love to cook.

Were they legal or illegal immigrants?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by baddog

No ones citizenship status is being changed.

Really?

https://medium.com/s/story/we-deport...s-440e6d8afbe8

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/27/73636...-active-troops

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by Rochard

In fact, I have taken in a refugee. More than one, and more than once.

My wife's extended family are from Lebanon. When the shit hits the fan over there, they leave and come to the United States for an extended stay. They all speak English, they are all very nice, and they love to cook.

Those are called "in-laws", not refugees.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by baddog

No ones citizenship status is being changed.

Liberals have to ignore the facts that Illegal Immigrants are different from Legal Immigrants who have a Permanent Residency Visa, a Czech wife and a Czech Daughter and have contributed to the tax revenue of a country.

Because it destroys their argument.

My argument is based on maths. Does an immigrant really contribute towards the tax revenue of a country? I couldn't care less if a person is Black, Brown, White of fucking green. It's all about the money.

The West can't be a safe haven for the troubles of the 3rd World all it can do is look after itself. And with the US being the legal home of many races, some who have been there longer than many whites, they owe their citizens better.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Really?

https://medium.com/s/story/we-deport...s-440e6d8afbe8

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/27/73636...-active-troops

One is a cock up of the authorities, the second is a matter of debate. Are the family of a serving or veteran to be given automatic rights to remain in the US?

[King Mark]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If you're so bright please explain yourself.

Of course you can't bitch about not getting your rebate this year because with your support of low earners, you clearly want to pay for them to be in the US.

Unfortunately, illegals actually contribute more than they take, a lot more... in America anyway.

[pimpmaster9000]

Illegals are a red herring...they have existed during every period in history in every region...but its a good keyword to rally the racist vote...more money was spent to bail out the banks and to invade the middle east than illegals will ever cost in history...but focus on the red herring so the gravy train keeps on rolling...the poor are the problem LOL

dumbass paul living with his dunnung krueger inside a search engine bubble he does not understand...funny shit...

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Really?

https://medium.com/s/story/we-deport...s-440e6d8afbe8

Number one, they are not citizens. For decades, we’ve deported military veterans—legal residents of the United States—while dangling citizenship before them

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/27/73636...-active-troops

Again, not citizens. undocumented family members

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

Unfortunately, illegals actually contribute more than they take, a lot more... in America anyway.

List the ways they contribute. Don't count jobs they take from Americans.

Include all costs such as prisons, policing, crime overall, homes, education, healthcare, social, ICE, border security, etc.

I'm sure that if yo take the initial amount they pay in taxes and don't deduct the overall costs you'll end up with a plus figure. That's the way governments have conned the people for decades. Just look at the devastating effect they've had on the African Americans of America. How many of them have been priced out of the labour market by illegal immigrants?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Once again you get it wrong. The government may not have given them a home, but they still needed one so who pays for it?

How do you not get this?

In the past they came to the United States and paid their own way. They paid for their own housing. We had less people coming, and we deported more.

NOW..... We are paying for their housing, their healthcare, their food, and their clothes, more people are coming, and less are being deported.

This is the direct opposite of what we need to be doing.... More people are coming, less are being sent home, and we are paying for their housing.

When we catch them, arrest them, cite them (like we would for any other misdemeanor), let them work through the legal system, and if need be then deport them.... Not sense spending two billion dollars to house, feed, clothe them, and give them free healthcare.

We are paying billions to lock people up like animals when there is zero need for it.

[brassmonkey]

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

Unfortunately, illegals actually contribute more than they take, a lot more... in America anyway.

wow!

[Marshal]

Pardon my French, but aren't all people living in USA immigrants, technically?
What I was trying to say is that you need to think carefully before deporting someone, since there's no such thing as one rule that matches all cases. A lot of those people that are potentially a subject of deportation are participants in building America as it is today.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

How do you not get this?

In the past they came to the United States and paid their own way. They paid for their own housing. We had less people coming, and we deported more.

NOW..... We are paying for their housing, their healthcare, their food, and their clothes, more people are coming, and less are being deported.

This is the direct opposite of what we need to be doing.... More people are coming, less are being sent home, and we are paying for their housing.

When we catch them, arrest them, cite them (like we would for any other misdemeanor), let them work through the legal system, and if need be then deport them.... Not sense spending two billion dollars to house, feed, clothe them, and give them free healthcare.

We are paying billions to lock people up like animals when there is zero need for it.

So how is it there are 1 million set for deportation after being denied the right to stay?

I agree with you that housing them is a cost, but you have completely ignored my points of the cost of releasing them. Many do not turn up.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...-49-for-minors

U.S. immigration courts have hit a new crisis point, with nearly half of illegal immigrants roaming in the country failing to show up for legal hearings, resulting in a massive number of deportation orders, according to an analysis of court records.

The court system said that in 2017, 43 percent of aliens freed pending hearings disappeared into the country and never showed up for scheduled follow-up hearings. In pure numbers, that means 41,302 aliens out of 95,342 never showed up for their court hearings.

While they are released they can't live no where, on no money, no healthcare, etc. Your government gives them driving licenses so they can get to work!!!! What else would they need a driving license for? Maybe to go to the shops and spend the money they can't earn.

Yes locking them up is going to cost you money, less than building better border barriers. But releasing them imposes bigger costs. Personally I would favour sending them back immediately unless they can prove they are personally being threatened by their governments. Coming for a "better life" can't be at the expense of the citizens unless the citizens are prepared to pay for it. And looking after a few relatives doesn't make you a refugee carer, start looking after illegal immigrants who are walking across the borders and tell us how it works out.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So how is it there are 1 million set for deportation after being denied the right to stay?

I agree with you that housing them is a cost, but you have completely ignored my points of the cost of releasing them. Many do not turn up.

So let's assume those that don't turn up are the worst and no chance of getting to stay. How many are criminals and going to put a strain on the American tax payers?

While they are released they can't live no where, on no money, no healthcare, etc. Your government gives them driving licenses so they can get to work!!!! What else would they need a driving license for? Maybe to go to the shops and spend the money they can't earn.

Yes locking them up is going to cost you money, less than building better border barriers. But releasing them imposes bigger costs. Personally I would favour sending them back immediately unless they can prove they are personally being threatened by their governments. Coming for a "better life" can't be at the expense of the citizens unless the citizens are prepared to pay for it. And looking after a few relatives doesn't make you a refugee carer, start looking after illegal immigrants who are walking across the borders and tell us how it works out.

This was explained to you last week and the week before and the week before that Paul.

You clearly have early onset Alzheimer's. I'm not joking.

Or you're playing stupid and either one is really fucked up. everyone's pretty much done explaining the same thing to you over and over and over and over again. You act like you understand and then a few days or a week later you act like you never heard it before.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Marshal

Pardon my French, but aren't all people living in USA immigrants, technically?
What I was trying to say is that you need to think carefully before deporting someone, since there's no such thing as one rule that matches all cases. A lot of those people that are potentially a subject of deportation are participants in building America as it is today.

yeah just ignore laws like they do in their homeland right?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Marshal

Pardon my French, but aren't all people living in USA immigrants, technically?

Are you Rochead's fake nic? That was a pretty stupid question. I know, they say there are no stupid questions, but you just proved that wrong.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

Unfortunately, illegals actually contribute more than they take, a lot more... in America anyway.

Oh of course they do..that's why their homelands aren't fit for a dog.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by FAGdog

Are you Rochead's fake nic? That was a pretty stupid question. I know, they say there are no stupid questions, but you just proved that wrong.

Fagdog is posting drunk again

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Oh of course they do..that's why their homelands aren't fit for a dog.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Oh of course they do..that's why their homelands aren't fit for a dog.

no it is because the west has exploited the living shit out of them and is doing so to this very day...oh and americans are bombing them...you know, good ol' americans...destroying other peoples shit and then complaining when they run

[King Mark]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

List the ways they contribute. Don't count jobs they take from Americans.

Include all costs such as prisons, policing, crime overall, homes, education, healthcare, social, ICE, border security, etc.

I'm sure that if yo take the initial amount they pay in taxes and don't deduct the overall costs you'll end up with a plus figure. That's the way governments have conned the people for decades. Just look at the devastating effect they've had on the African Americans of America. How many of them have been priced out of the labour market by illegal immigrants?

Here's a few ways: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy...he-u-s-economy

I keep trying to tell yall shit different over here.

These inbreds will have you think they come here to illegally vote and live off welfare.

That's simply not the case. These are hard workers, dedicated family people (as seen by the crazy journey they take) that come here running from the shit we threw down there.

They cant vote, and didnt cost much before trump decided to hoard them trying to delay the 40s.

[pimpmaster9000]

well the anti migrant crew can brush their teeth with penis, US birth rate down as fuck, 8 million less working age adults in 2035 and declining and population getting older as well...

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...at-least-2035/

its simple: you are fucked without the immigrants...going brown in 3,2,1....

[adultinnovation]

its time to go

[Sarn]

>offering them a home, food, clothing, health insurance

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

As for my status in Czech. I provided the wages of approximately 20 people a month, both full time and models part time, then there's the taxes we all paid into the Czech Government, my money, except my pension plans, was spent and kept inside Czech. My private and British pensions are paid into my Czech banks. But if the Czech government insists on kicking me out, we will sell up and move back to the UK.

You didnt employ 20 people Markham. Stop it. Paying a girl from a low wage country a few dollars to take her knickers off so you can take a few pics is not "employing them".

I would be surprised if you employed 20 people in your whole career, never mind 20 people at the same time.

You are a lying hypocrite telling people how to live their lives and then doing the opposite yourself.

Remind us again - what was the terrible hardship that made you flee the UK in fear of your life ?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

Here's a few ways: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy...he-u-s-economy

I keep trying to tell yall shit different over here.

These inbreds will have you think they come here to illegally vote and live off welfare.

That's simply not the case. These are hard workers, dedicated family people (as seen by the crazy journey they take) that come here running from the shit we threw down there.

They cant vote, and didnt cost much before trump decided to hoard them trying to delay the 40s.

As you probably only read the headline I will help you out.

While Trump’s rhetoric has lately focused on unauthorized immigrants, his policies have targeted legal immigration as well. Under his administration, refugee admissions in 2017 dropped to their lowest since at least 2002. Trump signed an executive order tightening restrictions on HB1 visas for skilled immigrants. He has pushed for a merit-based immigration system, and his administration has proposed cutting public benefits to legal immigrants.

unauthorised immigrants = Illegal immigrants
tightening restrictions on HB1 visas for skilled immigrants = Higher standards for legal immigrants.
cutting public benefits to legal immigrants = Why do people who are contributing need benefits?

No one is anti legal immigration in cases where the immigrant is needed to fill a job vacancy, bring wealth to their new country, etc. I'm a legal immigrant, I came to Czech before it was in the EU. I had to apply for a Residency Visa, prove I was bringing business to Czech, opened a Czech corporation, etc. We employed full time 8 people, both for the studio, office and for programming, add to that 12 models a month each on a months wages for a days work and our contribution to the Czech economy over the years was huge. I know for a one man band working from home it's hard to understand the contribution businesses make to country, but do try.

My medical bills now are paid for by me with 55 years of paying for Health Insurance.

Different from unauthorised immigrants, Illegal immigrants, who are low skilled, take the job a resident could do, rely on the state for benefits, have a very high rate of crime which requires more police courts and prisons, etc.

Trump’s characterization of immigrants, as people who drain public resources, however, is not backed by the data. Unauthorized immigrants aren’t usually eligible for federal benefits, for instance, and multiple studies have found that immigrants help the economy grow.

Yes legal immigrants do contribute more than they take out. As I've illustrated to you and many others over the years. Illegal immigrants do not contribute more than they take out.

Do you get it now?