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BOSTON (AP) — Civil rights activists complained Monday of the potential for widespread abuse following confirmation that at least three states have scanned millions of driver's license photos on behalf of Immigration and Customs Enforcement without the drivers' knowledge or consent.



Public records obtained by the Georgetown Law Center on Privacy and Technology provided the first proof that ICE had sought such scans, which were conducted in Utah, Vermont and Washington. All three states — which offer driving privileges to immigrants who are in the U.S. illegally — agreed to the ICE requests, according to documents shared with The Associated Press on Monday and first reported by The Washington Post.

"States asked undocumented people to come out of the shadows to get licenses. Then ICE turns around and uses that to find them," Alvaro Bedoya, the center's director, said Monday. ICE spokesman Matthew Bourke did not directly address written questions, including whether the agency used the scans to arrest or deport anyone.

"During the course of an investigation, ICE has the ability to collaborate with external local, federal and international agencies to obtain information that may assist in case completion and prosecution efforts," Bourke said in a written response. "This is an established procedure that is consistent with other law-enforcement agencies."

At least two cases in Utah and one in Washington state appeared to involve immigration enforcement, but the vast majority of requests from ICE in Utah were from its Homeland Security Investigations division, which has a limited role in immigration enforcement.

The documents for Vermont and Washington involved just a handful of records. The Utah document obtained by Georgetown was a ledger with details on more than 1,800 cases spanning two years of requests from multiple agencies, including other states, the FBI and the State Department.

The use of facial-recognition by state, federal and local law enforcement agencies has grown over the past decade as an FBI pilot project evolved into a full-scale program. Twenty-one states and Washington, D.C., let the FBI access their drivers' license and identification photos, according to a Government Accountability Office report published last month. The report said the FBI currently has access to 640 million photos — including for U.S. visa applicants — with more than 390,000 photos searched for matches since 2011, the year the agency augmented its fingerprint database with facial analysis.

Privacy concerns over the burgeoning use of facial recognition are on the rise as public awareness of the virtually unregulated practice grows. San Francisco and Somerville, Massachusetts, have in recent weeks become the first U.S. cities to ban the use of facial recognition by their police and city agencies. Amazon and has come under fierce criticism for providing facial recognition tech to law enforcement.

One major concern of activists is that the technology could be abused in the Trump administration crackdown on immigration. Shankar Narayan, director of the technology and liberty project at the American Civil Liberties Union in Washington, said federal agencies "are seeing a huge opportunity to use technologies ... to enforce immigration statutes in a way that was never intended."

In July 2017, Georgetown researchers filed Freedom of Information Act requests with every state seeking documents on how they responded to requests for facial recognition information from Law enforcement agencies, Bedoya said.

Many states ignored or denied the requests. Utah, Vermont and Washington provided useful responses. In Utah, ICE asked to search the database containing license images 49 times between October 2015 and November 2017, said Department of Public Safety spokeswoman Marissa Cote. No search warrant or subpoena was required, but all searches involved potential criminal suspects, she said.

State officials are not always informed if ICE catches a suspect, though the agency has been informed in some cases where a suspect was identified, including heroin trafficking, narcotics smuggling and credit-card identity theft, Cote said.

The state does not run searches for people whose only infraction is living in the country without proper documentation, Cote said. But Democratic state Rep. Angela Romero called the searches "government overreach" with the potential to spread fear.

"For me, it's the federal government accessing information without the legislature's knowledge or permission," she said. A spokeswoman for Vermont's Republican governor, Phil Scott, said Vermont officials stopped sharing facial-recognition information with federal immigration authorities in May 2017.

In Washington state, the Department of Licensing said it has not received a facial-recognition request since 2017 and noted that as of 2018, all requests must be court ordered. Jaime Smith, a spokeswoman for Gov. Jay Inslee, said "at no point do federal agencies have access to that database."

"We really want to make clear that we're not going to allow the federal government to commandeer the use of our state resources to use as part of their immigration effort." A law that Inslee signed earlier this year broadly prohibits local law enforcement agencies from asking about immigration status or place of birth unless directly connected to a criminal investigation.

Associated Press writers Lindsay Whitehurst in Salt Lake City; Wilson Ring in Montpelier, Vermont; Rachel La Corte in Olympia, Washington; Matthew O'Brien in Providence, Rhode Island; and Elliot Spagat in San Diego contributed to this report.

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[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

So this is how you catch an illegal alien...

"The state does not run searches for people whose only infraction is living in the country without proper documentation, Cote said."

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

"The state does not run searches for people whose only infraction is living in the country without proper documentation, Cote said."

^^ they need to.

They should use the registry to hunt them down. I’d like to see everyone of them deported and make it if they come back it’s a minimum mandatory 10 yr federal sentence.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

^^ they need to.

They should use the registry to hunt them down. I’d like to see everyone of them deported and make it if they come back it’s a minimum mandatory 10 yr federal sentence.

You want Americans to pay billions to jail illegals for 10 years each. Depending on the state, the average cost per year, per prisoner, is $30,000 to $60,000 each

It would be cheaper to keep each one on welfare for 10 years you dope

I think it's important for everyone in America to have an identification card.

If you publicly admit that you are scanning faces of peoples headshots, fewer illegals will get ID cards, which is a problem.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You want Americans to pay billions to jail illegals for 10 years each. Depending on the state, the average cost per year, per prisoner, is $30,000 to $60,000 each

Just the ones that come back after being deported. I assure you those number will drop when they are looking at serious fed time. As it stands now, they can just waltz right back in and nothing happens to them. That's why many these illegals that end up killing people have a history of coming back and forth 10-15 times. Nothing happens when they get caught!

Originally Posted by Bladewire

It would be cheaper to keep each one on welfare for 10 years you dope

They already are anyways! Do you understand why they are all flocking here?

Let me, as you dumb libs love to say, "unpack this for you."

They come here and either enter with a bogus asylum claim or through our porous border. Once here, they start having children. They know once they got those kids they can receive free housing / section8, wic/food, ebt cash, healthcare, education etc. And I know you've never seen a Mexican or Central American with ONE kid. They always have 3-4 kids in tow.

Then, once they're getting all the gibs, they double dip by working under the table. Or they steal someone's identity and wreak havoc on innocent victims.

So every year they steal from tax payers:
Housing
Food
Healthcare
^ those 3 alone depending on the state could be $25-50K a year.
Education $15k (per kid x 3) = $45k a yr.
Social Services ( fire, police ) go up which increases taxes on LEGAL citizens

Also they are really destroying our education system because they cant speak English and drag the whole system down.

So just between the welfare and education each time they come across the border they cost us millions. Plus let's not forget they make up 26% of our prison population!

Originally Posted by Bladewire

I think it's important for everyone in America to have an identification card.

If you publicly admit that you are scanning faces of peoples headshots, fewer illegals will get ID cards, which is a problem.

Yes, important for us to catch them. Lie to them and tell them we are not using it against them but use it to hunt them down.

They are economic invaders.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

^^ they need to.

They should use the registry to hunt them down. I’d like to see everyone of them deported and make it if they come back it’s a minimum mandatory 10 yr federal sentence.

Assuming the illegals don't have a job, not accessing any benefits or welfare, can afford to buy or rent a home, can feed, cloth, get private medical health, are not breaking any laws. What harm are they doing!!!!!

How many can Bladderwire look after?

Of course illegals who are in a job, having children, require welfare of any sort, criminals, need to be picked up and booted out. Repeat offenders as you say need to be in prison.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

They come here and either enter with a bogus asylum claim or through our porous border. Once here, they start having children. They know once they got those kids they can receive free housing / section8, wic/food, ebt cash, healthcare, education etc. And I know you've never seen a Mexican or Central American with ONE kid. They always have 3-4 kids in tow.

Then, once they're getting all the gibs, they double dip by working under the table. Or they steal someone's identity and wreak havoc on innocent victims.

So every year they steal from tax payers:
Housing
Food
Healthcare
^ those 3 alone depending on the state could be $25-50K a year.
Education $15k (per kid x 3) = $45k a yr.
Social Services ( fire, police ) go up which increases taxes on LEGAL citizens

Also they are really destroying our education system because they cant speak English and drag the whole system down.

So just between the welfare and education each time they come across the border they cost us millions. Plus let's not forget they make up 26% of our prison population!

You had me until this line of bullshit.

You are literally just pulling numbers out of your ass and that's not an honest conversation you're having.

My $30k to $60k per year in prison was based on factual data.

According to the Vera Institute of Justice, incarcerationhacosts an average of more than $31,000 per inmate, per year, nationwide. In some states, it’s as much as $60,000. Taxpayers foot the bill for feeding, housing and securing people in state and federal penitentiaries. ha

Latina imigrants like Escorpio come here to work and do jobs most lazy Americans don't want to do, they don't come here to go on welfare.

People seeking asylum as real they are real asylum-seekers they're not fake you stupid bitch. The gangs in South America are evil & cruel murdering families so people come up here seeking asylum to get away from then and international law dictates they have the right to do that as they do in every country on the planet Earth.

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the prison needs to be in south america. the countries that these people are coming from need to face sanctions or trade penalties they need to be shipped out when convicted to a prison from hell in south america

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You had me until this line of bullshit.

You are literally just pulling numbers out of your ass and that's not an honest conversation you're having.

My $30k to $60k per year in prison was based on factual data.

According to the Vera Institute of Justice, incarcerationhacosts an average of more than $31,000 per inmate, per year, nationwide. In some states, it’s as much as $60,000. Taxpayers foot the bill for feeding, housing and securing people in state and federal penitentiaries. ha

Latina imigrants like Escorpio come here to work and do jobs most lazy Americans don't want to do, they don't come here to go on welfare.

People seeking asylum as real they are real asylum-seekers they're not fake you stupid bitch. The gangs in South America are evil & cruel murdering families so people come up here seeking asylum to get away from then and international law dictates they have the right to do that as they do in every country on the planet Earth.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

the prison needs to be in south america. the countries that these people are coming from need to face sanctions or trade penalties they need to be shipped out when convicted to a prison from hell in south america

The problem with Bladderwire's logic is all the illegal immigrants doing a job an American would do but for a decent wage. Are putting an American on welfare.

The only winner is the employer.

There are no jobs that legal or American citizens won't do.