Anyone else got DMCAd the fuck out of by myfreecams.com ?

[DarkJedi]

Check out how many top sites got DMCA'd by myfreecams.com

https://lumendatabase.org/notices/21480714#

These assholes - Cam Model Protection - send out DMCAs almost daily (do a "sort by date" on the website):

https://lumendatabase.org/notices/se...del+Protection

My guess is that these assholes use a script to parse top google results and send in hundreds of URLs for google removal. 99% of these sites probably didn't violate a thing. And of course google could not possibly check hundreds of urls for violations manually, so they just blacklisted the whole batch.

This is beyond outrageous. I hope someone sues these assholes for false dmca report and loss of revenue due to it.

[vano]

Who the hell are Cam Model Protection? I see that they sent one of the dmca on behalf of amazon.com , LOL? They send out 12 reports per day.

My site got banned and it didn't violate anything, i'm not even in their reported niche. This is bullshit.

[DarkJedi]

https://CamModelProtection.com

There seems to be a whole network of these "Copyright Protection" websites, that i think pretty much a scam.

Check out who submits dmca's for xhamster.com for example:

https://lumendatabase.org/notices/se..._received+desc

I see a pattern here with fake complains for other sites. They must be using scripts to auto-parse and auto report top ranking urls.

Cam Model Protection
Verified Associates
Creators Ink
DMCA Force
MG Premium Ltd.

And then it's a "merry go round", with these sites keep rotating their reports.

If you ever got fake reported, it's probably them. If not, it's only a matter of time when you do.

[celandina]

Simple.... these guys are clever as any other thieves ....Likely a bunch of former thieves who found a better gig. That being chasing other thieves, thus kudos to them

[LouiseLloyd]

Apr, 15, 2019 URLs requested to be delisted 3,350,604

They must be fucking over a lot of legitimate affiliates with their business - It's nothing more than fraud and plain for everyone to see - it's transparent - published - fake reports - it's only a matter of time before they piss off enough people.

[drexl]

Originally Posted by LouiseLloyd

They must be fucking over a lot of legitimate affiliates with their business - It's nothing more than fraud and plain for everyone to see - it's transparent - published - fake reports - it's only a matter of time before they piss off enough people.

One solution is to ask the cam sponsor (copyright owner of the promo tools you are using to promote their site/models) to file a counter notice on your behalf.

[Petra]

These guys are the bane of my existence. They constantly DMCA affiliate promo material.

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by Petra

These guys are the bane of my existence.

That was so aptly and beautifully put . . .

[RazorSharpe]

Originally Posted by celandina

Simple.... these guys are clever as any other thieves ....Likely a bunch of former thieves who found a better gig. That being chasing other thieves, thus kudos to them

This is what I mean about you and jumping on your soapbox. You have a fundamental lack of knowledge of the industry you work in.

Did you post here under a different username in the past?

[Shoplifter]

Originally Posted by drexl

One solution is to ask the cam sponsor (copyright owner of the promo tools you are using to promote their site/models) to file a counter notice on your behalf.

Have you ever asked Chaturbate to do this?

I have lol lol.

[Slappin Fish]

3,350,604 URL delisting requests in one day looks like some clever affiliate with bots trying to wipe out the competition on those keywords

[drexl]

Originally Posted by Shoplifter

Have you ever asked Chaturbate to do this?

I have lol lol.

You are correct, cb won't do it but others will. And it makes sense too.

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

3,350,604 URL delisting requests in one day looks like some clever affiliate with bots trying to wipe out the competition on those keywords

Indeed. They can double it up: easily removing competition + charge models a substantial monthly fee. There's a possibility these guys also have a porn site and thus play on both sides of the fence.

rulta.com is popular with models and has a presence on social media. They run a business of profile designing tools for Chaturbate models as well as running bots to crawl sites for alleged infringements.

But the number 1 offender is, by far, BorraTusVideos: no website, a link to a shady affiliate program, and will file against any URLs (including URLs of cam sponsors themselves!) to produce reports in bulk that they charge to models.

[RycEric]

Originally Posted by vano

Who the hell are Cam Model Protection? I see that they sent one of the dmca on behalf of amazon.com , LOL? They send out 12 reports per day.

My site got banned and it didn't violate anything, i'm not even in their reported niche. This is bullshit.

Here ya go...

https://www.linkedin.com/in/nlbartvanleeuwen/

[PornDiscounts-V]

The list looked like a list of webcam tubes that are stealing models videos. Seems like a legit take down?

[DarkJedi]

Originally Posted by PornDiscounts-V

The list looked like a list of webcam tubes that are stealing models videos. Seems like a legit take down?

A lot of the sites got banned for no reason. Their script caught a part of a name on a page, and poof, you're gone.

What's fucked, is that this is all the same person:

Cam Model Protection
Verified Associates
Creators Ink
DMCA Force
MG Premium Ltd.
Onsist

and probably more. I just didn't do any digging, cause ill.

If you are a webmaster: they are getting your sites banned
If you are a program owner: they are getting your affiliates banned
If you are a tube owner: they are getting your legit submitters banned (and your urls too)

Catch my drift? This needs to be stopped. Some very hi-profile websites there are getting screwed over.

[Pryda]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

What's fucked, is that this is all the same person:

Do you have proof of this?

They have hit our site (babepedia.com) many times.

[DarkJedi]

Originally Posted by RycEric

Here ya go...

https://www.linkedin.com/in/nlbartvanleeuwen/

Do you know more about their operation?

[drexl]

Originally Posted by PornDiscounts-V

The list looked like a list of webcam tubes that are stealing models videos. Seems like a legit take down?

This is how they do it: mixing legitimate requests with non-legit.
This is how they get models to trust them and then make them pay a recurring fee.

I am not talking about Cam Model Protection specifically, my comment is generic.

[PornDiscounts-V]

I looked at the complaint above. I looked at the sites. They all had stolen cam videos.

I also looked for legit cam affiliates sites like cambb.xxx, megacams.me, etc and they aren't in the list.

[Speigelau]

Originally Posted by RycEric

Here ya go...

https://www.linkedin.com/in/nlbartvanleeuwen/

Looks like Bart must be reading gfy and pulled his linkedin.

[AmeliaG]

I doubt MFC sends those notices, so not their responsibility to address the problem. Usually, if a service DMCAs Google for affiliate sites, they are getting paid by the unfortunate model.

Just send a counter-DMCA, if your content is actually legal. If your content is not legal, you deserve the inconvenience.

Do most webmasters not know how to counter-DMCA?

[celandina]

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

This is what I mean about you and jumping on your soapbox. You have a fundamental lack of knowledge of the industry you work in.

Did you post here under a different username in the past?

NO for 15 years the same and only the same username As to my soap box:?

1) The girl makes her own content ( NOBODY paid her for her content !!)
2) she gives it to the cam company and gets a cut from her content.
3) some time later she wants to get married ( go to Uni, or get a better job) and wants HER content pulled.
4) the cam company maybe pulls HER !!! content , but there is a lot of schmucks who somehow think that they are entitled to continue to smear this girl all over the Internet.
5) so she hires a take-down company to clear her stuff...

... yet the schmucks complain that the content ( now illegal) is somehow taken from them.

Now you explain to me where I am wrong and I will apologize. If you cannot then

[celandina]

Originally Posted by PornDiscounts-V

The list looked like a list of webcam tubes that are stealing models videos. Seems like a legit take down?

[celandina]

Originally Posted by PornDiscounts-V

I looked at the complaint above. I looked at the sites. They all had stolen cam videos.

I also looked for legit cam affiliates sites like cambb.xxx, megacams.me, etc and they aren't in the list.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by Pryda

Do you have proof of this?

They have hit our site (babepedia.com) many times.

... and you claim that babepedia is somehow serving public ??

[seriouslee]

DMCA company that myfreecams uses is called removeyourcontent llc. So this is not coming from myfreecams.

Cam model protection is a company that camgirls can hire themselves, who could be working on myfreecams or any other site. The sites in the lumen report look like pirate sites to me, not saying all are, but most look that way.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by celandina

NO for 15 years the same and only the same username As to my soap box:?

1) The girl makes her own content ( NOBODY paid her for her content !!)
2) she gives it to the cam company and gets a cut from her content.
3) some time later she wants to get married ( go to Uni, or get a better job) and wants HER content pulled.
4) the cam company maybe pulls HER !!! content , but there is a lot of schmucks who somehow think that they are entitled to continue to smear this girl all over the Internet.
5) so she hires a take-down company to clear her stuff...

... yet the schmucks complain that the content ( now illegal) is somehow taken from them.

Now you explain to me where I am wrong and I will apologize. If you cannot then

That actually sounds like improper use of DMCA. She changed her mind so now they are in breach?

There is a contract (either implied and written) between the cam model and the sponsor and between the sponsor and the affiliate.

That contract basically says that the sponsor can use the content from the cam model. The other side is the sponsor makes the content available to the affiliate.

Therefore, when the affiliate put the content up, they had full permission to do so. They have not violated the contract in any way.

DMCA is for content used without permission. An affiliate recording a cam show is probably (depending on the sponsor) using the content WITHOUT permission and can be DMCAd.

An affiliate using content provided by the sponsor for promotion is using the content WITH permission and should not be able to be DMCAd no matter what life choices the cam model has made.

.

[Brian mike]

Receive this one this morning and that model will Hit, domain registrar & cloudflare will forward to my hosting and hosting will ask me to removed it .

BUT........ Something dosent sounds right in this take down. The model claim to be owner of Camsoda ?

That Georgia hitting my 20+ cam site one by one i guess. Seem like Georgia is not happy LOL

---------------------

Dear website administrator,


Takedown Notice Pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998



This is a notice in accordance with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 (DMCA)

I requesting that you immediately cease to provide access to copyrighted material. I wish to report an instance of Copyright Infringement, whereby the infringing material appears on a website for which you are the host.


The infringing material, which I contend belongs to me, is the following:

my copyright material is hosted without my consent to your website



The original material is located on my website at the following URLs:

http://www.camsoda.com/squirtfountain


The infringing material is located at the following URLs:

https://xxxxxxxxx.xxx/wp-content/upl...ountain-13.jpg

https://xxxxxxx.xxx/tag/muscular/
https://xxxxx.xxx/camsoda-live-cams/squirtfountain/


My contact information is:

Name:Georgia Ploco
Mailing address: 2 tineretului #54,
city: Onesti
state: Bacau
country:Romania
zip:601068
Telephone number:0723151731
E-mail address: [email protected]


I have a good faith belief that the use of the described material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or by operation of law.

The information in this notice is accurate, and I am either the copyright owner or I am authorized to act on behalf of the copyright owner.

I declare under the perjury laws of the United States of America that this notification is true and correct.


Signed:
Georgia Ploco
Date:
2020-07-24
--------------------------

[drexl]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I doubt MFC sends those notices, so not their responsibility to address the problem. Usually, if a service DMCAs Google for affiliate sites, they are getting paid by the unfortunate model.

Just send a counter-DMCA, if your content is actually legal. If your content is not legal, you deserve the inconvenience.

Do most webmasters not know how to counter-DMCA?

I agree with you. I would add however that it is preferable that the cam sponsor files the counter: they are the actual copyright owner of the promotional material provided to webmasters. Webmasters are merely authorized by them to use those tools by means of non-exclusive licensing.

Actually it is now an important criteria when choosing a cam sponsor: will they help and file counter notices. I know 2 of them who will do exactly that and I intend to spend much more time working with real partners in the future.

[DarkJedi]

Originally Posted by seriouslee

The sites in the lumen report look like pirate sites to me, not saying all are, but most look that way.

The why did our sites that havd NOTHING to do with cams get hit? We don't even promote any cams - no banner ads, no text link ads, nothing. The niche isn't even close.

The DMCA report in the first post is FALSE and myfreecams.com can be sued the fuck out of, because it was filed on their behalf:

Original URLs: profiles.myfreecams.com - 1 URL

[RazorSharpe]

Originally Posted by celandina

NO for 15 years the same and only the same username As to my soap box:?

1) The girl makes her own content ( NOBODY paid her for her content !!)
2) she gives it to the cam company and gets a cut from her content.
3) some time later she wants to get married ( go to Uni, or get a better job) and wants HER content pulled.
4) the cam company maybe pulls HER !!! content , but there is a lot of schmucks who somehow think that they are entitled to continue to smear this girl all over the Internet.
5) so she hires a take-down company to clear her stuff...

... yet the schmucks complain that the content ( now illegal) is somehow taken from them.

Now you explain to me where I am wrong and I will apologize. If you cannot then

If after 15 years you don't understand that difference between a DMCA and a contractual issue, then I'm not sure anyone can really help you.

1. NOBODY pays her?
2. I thought NOBODY pays her. But now she's getting a cut.
3. There's a reason why one needs to be an adult to make adult decisions. It's 2020 and everyone knows that once stuff is on the internet, it's hard to get it off the internet. Having said that, if they asked legitimate affiliates to take down their content, I'm sure they would be accommodated. I can't speak for people who use content outside of the affiliate agreement/contract.
4. Again, you are speaking about people using content outside of the sponsor/affiliate agreement as if they are one and the same as legitimate affiliates. And "smear this girl all over the internet"? You do realise that he/she chose to be a cam model. No one pointed a gun at her head and forced her to do it. Re-read 3

Just because a site receives a DMCA does not mean they are using content illegally. On the contrary, lodging false DMCA ckaims seems to be the new cottage industry.

[RazorSharpe]

Originally Posted by celandina

... and you claim that babepedia is somehow serving public ??

Fucking hell you have some boulder sized chip on your shoulder. Post some of your urls so we can bow down in supplication to what will surely be a masterclass in public servitude.

[JesseQuinn]

Originally Posted by drexl

charge models a substantial monthly fee

Originally Posted by RycEric

Onsist

I used to work with the woman who started CamModelProtection, def seems like she sold the site as I don't think she'd be involved in what that co has become

find it interesting the pricing difference between CMP and Onsist, monthly plan price the same, the other two options are higher for performers through CMP

Originally Posted by drexl

mixing legitimate requests with non-legit.
This is how they get models to trust them and then make them pay a recurring fee.

I am not talking about Cam Model Protection specifically, my comment is generic.

lots and lots of flat out piracy sites on the list linked in the OP that deserve dmca's. but when actual cam sites and whitelables get dmca'd? they're stealing money from performers and time from honest affs who are just promoting a site within the terms of the sponsor contract

echoing Drexl that this isn't about a pile-on to one site. Borra is by far the worst I've seen though


for any performers reading who are seeking to fight theft of your content, go through RemoveYourContent or get a template DMCA for free online and do it yourself

[artwilliams]

Are these DMCA requests for sponsor supplied content or for cam sessions that have been recorded without the consent of the hosts?

[RazorSharpe]

Originally Posted by artwilliams

Are these DMCA requests for sponsor supplied content or for cam sessions that have been recorded without the consent of the hosts?

For me, the only thing I store is profile information that is provided by the sponsor via API. When the model is live, her profile page will show an iframe with her cam feed, again supplied via API. I get a dozen, or so, of these DMCAs a week.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

A lot of the sites got banned for no reason. Their script caught a part of a name on a page, and poof, you're gone.

What's fucked, is that this is all the same person:

Cam Model Protection
Verified Associates
Creators Ink
DMCA Force
MG Premium Ltd.
Onsist

and probably more. I just didn't do any digging, cause ill.

If you are a webmaster: they are getting your sites banned
If you are a program owner: they are getting your affiliates banned
If you are a tube owner: they are getting your legit submitters banned (and your urls too)

Catch my drift? This needs to be stopped. Some very hi-profile websites there are getting screwed over.

Onsist, DMCA Force and MG Premium LTD are very, very different entities.

Onsist represents a few high profile cam girls then mostly Insta / OF thots. MG Premium is Brazzers, Twisty's, etc.

DMCA Force doesn't really have that many clients, tbh.

I'd think "MG Premium" would give away that it's Mindgeek, but I still question how most of you guys tie your shoes, let alone basic reasoning skills.

[RazorSharpe]

Originally Posted by trevesty

Onsist, DMCA Force and MG Premium LTD are very, very different entities.

Onsist represents a few high profile cam girls then mostly Insta / OF thots. MG Premium is Brazzers, Twisty's, etc.

DMCA Force doesn't really have that many clients, tbh.

I'd think "MG Premium" would give away that it's Mindgeek, but I still question how most of you guys tie your shoes, let alone basic reasoning skills.

Slip ons

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

Slip ons

LOL.

.

[seriouslee]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

The why did our sites that havd NOTHING to do with cams get hit? We don't even promote any cams - no banner ads, no text link ads, nothing. The niche isn't even close.

The DMCA report in the first post is FALSE and myfreecams.com can be sued the fuck out of, because it was filed on their behalf:

Lumen shortens urls now, even the urls where the original content is/was hosted. In this case this url in full would show the myfreecams profile of the camgirl who hired cammodelprotection.

So for a counter notice and essentially at court the opponent would be cammodelprotection.

These dmca services will use some crawling bots to search for content. I'd ask them to take your site off their crawlers if your content is legit and is coming from sponsors.

I'll say again though, in the published lumen report there are many well known pirate sites without any kind of functioning reporting system. Some of them even have threads here what to do about them.

[DarkJedi]

Originally Posted by seriouslee

These dmca services will use some crawling bots to search for content. I'd ask them to take your site off their crawlers if your content is legit and is coming from sponsors.

First of all, the damage is already done.
Second, i'd need to find/compile a list of these crawler dmca reporting sites.
Third, i bet they wouldn't give a crap about adding some website to whitelist.

A good measure would be suing them for damages and teaching a lesson. Auto-submitting 3 million reports in one day is moronic. They can't possibly all be pirates.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

If after 15 years you don't understand that difference between a DMCA and a contractual issue, then I'm not sure anyone can really help you.

I do understand it very well, I also understand the term " work for hire" which is a subject to most contractual agreements. NOBODY hired the particular girl and therefore she just conveyed a temp. license to the cam company. No different then somebody renting or leasing a car, a boat or any other asset. And yes a porn content is deemed an asset. She is always owner of it and the copyright is automatically assigned to her by way of her creating the content. I am dealing with licenses, copyrights, contractual undertakings in a film business mainstream and adult for 30 years.

1. NOBODY pays her? As I have mentioned above, she is not a subject of work for hire rules since NOBODY paid her to preform and nobody even gave her any MG ( minimum guarantee) which upon a full payment could be considered a work for hire, but ONLY if so stated in the agreement.

2. I thought NOBODY pays her. But now she's getting a cut. Getting a percentage ( or commission) from sales does NOT constitute giving up an ownership. It certainly cannot be considered as a compensation for her work. It is a royalty for the use of her content.

3. There's a reason why one needs to be an adult to make adult decisions. It's 2020 and everyone knows that once stuff is on the internet, it's hard to get it off the internet. Having said that, if they asked legitimate affiliates to take down their content, I'm sure they would be accommodated. I can't speak for people who use content outside of the affiliate agreement/contract.Yes, it is 2020, but stolen or illegal content remains stolen and illegal regardless what any affiliate may claim. The affiliate has rights ONLY as so far as the cam company has granted to him. Under NO circumstances can a cam company grant a copyright to anyone, because they do not own the content and have no right to grant such rights. Anyone who claims otherwise is either stupid or a thief.

4. Again, you are speaking about people using content outside of the sponsor/affiliate agreement as if they are one and the same as legitimate affiliates. And "smear this girl all over the internet"? You do realise that he/she chose to be a cam model. No one pointed a gun at her head and forced her to do it. Re-read 3 NO need to re read anything. Slavery was outlawed a long time ago. To state that because the girl ONCE participated in creating an adult content which was NOT a subject of work for hire, that forever she should be a subject to further exploitation ? That analogy is say the least ridiculous. From my own experience we had over the years 2 models asking if we can remove thier content from our site. They BOTH were subject of work for hire and therefore they did NOT own the results of their labor. We do. There the case ended.

Just because a site receives a DMCA does not mean they are using content illegally. On the contrary, lodging false DMCA ckaims seems to be the new cottage industry. As I have said above and now I am quoting myself :" Likely a bunch of former thieves who found a better gig. That being chasing other thieves,..." Here I tend to agree with you. On the other hand MOST tubes and tube like set ups and their affiliates basically live off recycling old and stolen content, so getting their knuckles wrapped once a while is not to bad for us content owners.

My explanation is within your comments

[celandina]

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

Fucking hell you have some boulder sized chip on your shoulder. Post some of your urls so we can bow down in supplication to what will surely be a masterclass in public servitude.

Sorry, I have NO boulder ( not even a chip ) on my shoulder, but I have other burden. That being spending 1000's of dollars /year on legal affairs and DMCA issuance. We are fighting it daily. Frankly, I am tired of it since it is almost a loosing battle in 2020, where the attitude is that everything on the Internet is free and "free for me" to make money from.

... and guess what, I ONLY have ONE URL and it has NOT changed in 15 years. My URL has ONLY my content on it. It is a VOD site. I do NOT own a mainstream site but own a library of my mainstream movies dating back to the 90ties. There also I have people chasing the BIGGEST thieves: Those being Amazon and E Bay. We even had to chase my adult stuff edited down from both of these outfits. So go figure.

Some folks here know what my site is, BUT I am not going to publish it for now.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by trevesty

DMCA Force doesn't really have that many clients, tbh.

How do you know this info? Do you have access to their books? Come on man!

How have you been?

[shake]

That's one way to take care of the competition... I used to get a ton of dmca from hairy Potter rights holders for my hairy content... Not very smart bots

[pm2000]

crazynes

[drexl]

Originally Posted by seriouslee

These dmca services will use some crawling bots to search for content. I'd ask them to take your site off their crawlers if your content is legit and is coming from sponsors.

Agreed. I would also note that crawling websites without their explicit consent might be an issue on several levels. Legitimate crawlers have a user agent and respect the robots.txt rules.

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Auto-submitting 3 million reports in one day is moronic. They can't possibly all be pirates.

Can they really auto-submit? I didn't see an API (but I didn't look too hard).
Using bots for detection is one thing but automation of submission seems unreasonable.


I just read this:

There are the automatic bots that crawl for content and get it wrong many time.

...scammers can fire off these notices at will and rely on a small percentage of pushback being received. Whatever the intent behind this system, it's clear at this point that there are multiple avenues for abuse. That makes it high time that we revisit all of this and see if there is a better way.

Source: What A Shock: Scammers Are Abusing Takedown System With DMCA Claims

[Mr.Fiction]

How are you keeping track of the false DMCA notices? Is there a way to have Lumen send you an email whenever someone files a complaint against a certain domain?

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

How are you keeping track of the false DMCA notices? Is there a way to have Lumen send you an email whenever someone files a complaint against a certain domain?

Add the site to your Google Console.

[DarkJedi]

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

How are you keeping track of the false DMCA notices? Is there a way to have Lumen send you an email whenever someone files a complaint against a certain domain?

Your wesite disapoears from Google and you stop receiving any goigle traffic.
You can also add your website to Google webmaster tools.

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally Posted by trevesty

Add the site to your Google Console.

Sites in webmaster tools don't seem to be showing DMCA notifications that I can see in the Lumen database.