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ThuNguyen · 01-13-2021, 05:32 AM

For anyone in the business of shooting porn

Is it harder to incentivize pornstars nowadays that with an onlyfans they can make much more than shooting a scene?

What do you think, how will things move forward?

Thank you

CurrentlySober · 01-13-2021, 05:50 AM

Its almost two different markets. Some girls will only want to do solo, or work with chosen partners at home etc on only fans / many vids / cams etc, while some will prefer the 'glamour' of being on set with makeup artists and nice locations working alongside well known stars etc... As for the 'Guy with camera POV' producer type, they are probably out of luck

JSWENSON · 01-13-2021, 06:15 AM

I think producers should have seen the writing on the wall and worked out better long term deals for their talent long ago. Now the word is out, find your own audience and fuck a $600 payment for some "softcore" dick sucking of old strangers with a camera.

JSWENSON · 01-13-2021, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Its almost two different markets. Some girls will only want to do solo, or work with chosen partners at home etc on only fans / many vids / cams etc, while some will prefer the 'glamour' of being on set with makeup artists and nice locations working alongside well known stars etc... As for the 'Guy with camera POV' producer type, they are probably out of luck

Glamour.

trevesty · 01-13-2021, 06:34 AM

Probably depends on the model. Some OF girl with 750k IG followers shooting with Brazzers could raise her profile quite a lot and make her more money long term.

Same girl shooting with JoeBlowsPOVSiteFrom2005 is likely a waste of her time.

SpicyM · 01-13-2021, 06:44 AM

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Its almost two different markets.

Completely different. Just like solo girl sites run by models and their partners were, the only thing that has changed is the way they sell their content.

celandina · 01-13-2021, 07:33 AM

Solo and fucking with boyfriend content does not make

PorcoRosso · 01-13-2021, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ThuNguyen

For anyone in the business of shooting porn

Is it harder to incentivize pornstars nowadays that with an onlyfans they can make much more than shooting a scene?

What do you think, how will things move forward?

Thank you

10 years ago I was already hearing content producers crying because Webcam sites were too profitable for girls and finding pretty talented girls for shooting porn was becoming harder... and apparently, it's becoming harder and harder in recent years.

And I think it's an obvious evolution and it's logical. Girls willing to expose their body in soft or hard action have the possibility to make decent revenues and market themselves, eliminating several intermediaries... and do all that from the comfort of their homes and with the people they choose.

Following this logic, what do you have to offer as a content producer to compete with that?

That's the question that needs to be answered if you want to continue shooting porn in the next 20+ years

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Personnal note: when I see porn from the 90s, it really feels like women doing porn in this era were really a lot prettier and hotter than the ones we have these days. And I don't think it's me being nostalgic :-D it's pure esthetics.

Klen · 01-13-2021, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PorcoRosso

10 years ago I was already hearing content producers crying because Webcam sites were too profitable for girls and finding pretty talented girls for shooting porn was becoming harder... and apparently, it's becoming harder and harder in recent years.

And I think it's an obvious evolution and it's logical. Girls willing to expose their body in soft or hard action have the possibility to make decent revenues and market themselves, eliminating several intermediaries... and do all that from the comfort of their homes and with the people they choose.

Following this logic, what do you have to offer as a content producer to compete with that?

That's the question that needs to be answered if you want to continue shooting porn in the next 20+ years

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Personnal note: when I see porn from the 90s, it really feels like women doing porn in this era were really a lot prettier and hotter than the ones we have these days. And I don't think it's me being nostalgic :-D it's pure esthetics.

Doing content for paysite and similar purposes have one advantage over cams/only fans - there is no billions of competitors, so there will be always some models available . Plus some models preffer doing that way then cams/only fans.

OneHungLo · 01-13-2021, 08:31 AM

Yeah 100%. Talk to any agent and they will tell you. They're getting killed by OF.

CaptainHowdy · 01-13-2021, 08:38 AM

Define pornstar . . .

Kelli58 · 01-13-2021, 08:39 AM

This is a big problem for big production companies as well. Why would a girl want to go sit on a shitty set for 8 hours for $1,000 when she can make $20,000 - $30,000 - even $100,000 a month on her own?

SpicyM · 01-13-2021, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina

Solo and fucking with boyfriend content does not make

Some people just don't get the fact that you need more than a hot model to shoot good porn.

Roald · 01-13-2021, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelli58

This is a big problem for big production companies as well. Why would a girl want to go sit on a shitty set for 8 hours for $1,000 when she can make $20,000 - $30,000 - even $100,000 a month on her own?

Sure, but in reality only few make that

JSWENSON · 01-13-2021, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

Sure, but in reality only few make that

Yeah and porn girls make $1000 a day, some days a month and at a declining rate until their eating eggs made out of the cum of the 17 guys that just got herpes from.

SpicyM · 01-13-2021, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PorcoRosso

Girls willing to expose their body in soft or hard action have the possibility to make decent revenues and market themselves, eliminating several intermediaries... and do all that from the comfort of their homes and with the people they choose.

Models have had the same possibilities with their own solo girl paysites for the last 20 years. There were pornstars that run their own solo sites and yet they failed. Some of them were successful, but many of them failed even in the golden era of internet porn. Guess why?

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Originally Posted by PorcoRosso

Personnal note: when I see porn from the 90s, it really feels like women doing porn in this era were really a lot prettier and hotter than the ones we have these days. And I don't think it's me being nostalgic :-D it's pure esthetics.

If you think the girls from the 90s were pretty, you should check French porn movies from the 70s and 80s. The women were beautiful and natural... and they also were great actresses. Looking at the porn models (even the professional ones) on tubes they are a parody to what these old school porn actresses (and actors) were.

JSWENSON · 01-13-2021, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SpicyM

Models have had the same possibilities with their own solo girl paysites for the last 20 years. There were pornstars that run their own solo sites and yet they failed. Some of them were successful, but many of them failed even in the golden era of internet porn. Guess why?

If you think the girls from the 90s were pretty, you should check French porn movies from the 70s and 80s. The women were beautiful and natural... and they also were great actresses. Looking at the porn models (even the professional ones) on tubes they are a parody to what these old school porn actresses (and actors) were.

Dude, you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Onlyfans is not a solo fucking site at all.

Klen · 01-13-2021, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SpicyM

Models have had the same possibilities with their own solo girl paysites for the last 20 years. There were pornstars that run their own solo sites and yet they failed. Some of them were successful, but many of them failed even in the golden era of internet porn. Guess why?

If you think the girls from the 90s were pretty, you should check French porn movies from the 70s and 80s. The women were beautiful and natural... and they also were great actresses. Looking at the porn models (even the professional ones) on tubes they are a parody to what these old school porn actresses (and actors) were.

That is because models which are really beautiful goes into "mainstream porn" (modelling for design houses) which pays much more anyway.

SpicyM · 01-13-2021, 10:16 AM

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Dude, you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Onlyfans is not a solo fucking site at all.

Where do I say it is you idiot?

SpicyM · 01-13-2021, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Klen

That is because models which are really beautiful goes into "mainstream porn" (modelling for design houses) which pays much more anyway.

No, that is because the profitability (and budgets) of those porn movies were much greater, so the girls were paid much more and the locations were much better too. Also, there wasn't the need to find new actresses and actors all the time. These days it's mostly mass produced cookie cutter porn with some people still willing to pay for the premium stuff ... ask Celandina.

JSWENSON · 01-13-2021, 10:32 AM

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Where do I say it is you idiot?

You compared them as if they are related by anything past tits. A solo site is a pain in the ass, onlyfans has my neighbors posting nudes.

pornguy · 01-13-2021, 10:36 AM

What cracks me up about these girls that they fail to see the power of multiple streams of income.

I have dealt with it on a lesser scale because of he niche. However I still see it.

pornguy · 01-13-2021, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina

Solo and fucking with boyfriend content does not make

Hrm.. I will keep that in mind.

SpicyM · 01-13-2021, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelli58

This is a big problem for big production companies as well. Why would a girl want to go sit on a shitty set for 8 hours for $1,000 when she can make $20,000 - $30,000 - even $100,000 a month on her own?

That will eventually lead to producers having to pay more $$$ to models, which will lead to better quality while shitty producers paying the girls pennies will be wiped out.. that is only good. Less competition, better pay for models.

With higher production costs the big companies you mention will be forced to better protect their content and their rights while only allowing small portions of their scenes to be accessible for free - and that is good too. Shitty cookie cutter sites with cheap boring porn will be ruined.

Those that produce original and rare stuff have nothing to worry about, people still value talent and originality.

SpicyM · 01-13-2021, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina

Solo and fucking with boyfriend content does not make

And the question is what happens with the goldmine when she breaks up with her boyfriend

All those amateur models sure have licenses and model releases to keep using the content

CurrentlySober · 01-13-2021, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelli58

Why would a girl want to go sit on a shitty set for 8 hours for $1,000 when she can make...

Laziness. All she has to do is show up, hang about chatting shit to people, get fussed over, have her makeup done, eat the kraft services, and fuck some guy for an hour or so, then go home / out with $1000 in her hand /purse, that she didn't have that morning and thats it... Simple...

No need to create, plan, upload, promote, arrange, be responsible for content, deal with fans, promote herself, etc etc...

Sure she could earn more if she did loads of stuff herself, but that's almost like actual work, and why work when she has a grand in her hand and another grand tomorrow, with ZERO responsibility, and for doing virtually 'fuck' all? (Pun Intended)

SpicyM · 01-13-2021, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Laziness. All she has to do is show up, hang about chatting shit to people, get fussed over, have her makeup done, eat the kraft services, and fuck some guy for an hour or so, then go home / out with $1000 in her hand /purse, that she didn't have that morning and thats it... Simple...

No need to create, plan, upload, promote, arrange, be responsible for content, deal with fans, promote herself, etc etc...

Sure she could earn more if she did loads of stuff herself, but that's almost like actual work, and why work when she has a grand in her hand and another grand tomorrow for doing virtually 'fuck' all? (Pun Intended)

Well said.

People who don't understand this are those that have never shot anything and never worked with models. They don't have a clue about their personalities and the way they take their "work". If all models were creative, hardworking and smart, they would never have to work for someone else in the first place.

If it was that easy with no work and skills required for anything, everyone could be a millionaire with his/her own business

JSWENSON · 01-13-2021, 12:51 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/b...mic-users.html

NatalieK · 01-13-2021, 01:34 PM

while it´s nice to have sites like OF, as more and more models join, the income becomes less due to saturation. Any professional model wanting to make a living from porn work will still appreciate paid on site porn work. Maybe less amateur modes, but producers will still be able to contact models looking to have regular decent income from porn

NatalieK · 01-13-2021, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelli58

This is a big problem for big production companies as well. Why would a girl want to go sit on a shitty set for 8 hours for $1,000 when she can make $20,000 - $30,000 - even $100,000 a month on her own?

80% of models on OF do NOT make more than a grand a month...

50% of OF models only make 100 to 200 a month, maybe a member joining each day or less, it´s only the top 10% make over a $1000 a month and top 5% make the big money

plsureking · 01-13-2021, 01:45 PM

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As for the 'Guy with camera POV' producer type, they are probably out of luck

they should have moved to VR by now.. everyone and their grandson got a Quest2 for Christmas..

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MakeMeGrrrrowl · 01-13-2021, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SpicyM

Models have had the same possibilities with their own solo girl paysites for the last 20 years. There were pornstars that run their own solo sites and yet they failed. Some of them were successful, but many of them failed even in the golden era of internet porn. Guess why?

Because they were really fat greasy men running the site and not the actual girl.

CurrentlySober · 01-13-2021, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by plsureking

they should have moved to VR by now.. everyone and their grandson got a Quest2 for Christmas..

#

I got an HP Reverb G2...

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 01-13-2021, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

80% of models on OF do NOT make more than a grand a month...

50% of OF models only make 100 to 200 a month, maybe a member joining each day or less, it´s only the top 10% make over a $1000 a month and top 5% make the big money

I think your numbers are wrong there. My daughter's friend doesn't even get naked and these are her numbers

November 5553.60
December 1486.40 (she stopped posting anything on the 2nd)
January 428.00

Had she kept working it as she did in November, she would for sure have a nice residual income. Unfortunately, 90% of young, very pretty girls don't want to work hard for long.

SpicyM · 01-13-2021, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

Because they were really fat greasy men running the site and not the actual girl.

Maybe.. but in many cases it was their partners who operated the site, which, of course doesn't mean they weren't fat greasy men.

Why didn't they run it themselves? Here is why:
1. they needed the partner for the sex scenes
2. the laziness CurrentlySober mentioned

JSWENSON · 01-13-2021, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

80% of models on OF do NOT make more than a grand a month...

50% of OF models only make 100 to 200 a month, maybe a member joining each day or less, it´s only the top 10% make over a $1000 a month and top 5% make the big money

Those aren't "models" they are women posting their tits once in awhile for fun with the chance of a few bucks. The industry has been moving this direction since reddit started /r/gonewild and ended up with more HQ content in a few years than the entirety of porn in history. Of course GFY users once again miss the boat, don't see which way the winds are blowing and find every excuse in the book as an afterthought.

MakeMeGrrrrowl · 01-13-2021, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Laziness. All she has to do is show up, hang about chatting shit to people, get fussed over, have her makeup done, eat the kraft services, and fuck some guy for an hour or so, then go home / out with $1000 in her hand /purse, that she didn't have that morning and thats it... Simple...

No need to create, plan, upload, promote, arrange, be responsible for content, deal with fans, promote herself, etc etc...

Sure she could earn more if she did loads of stuff herself, but that's almost like actual work, and why work when she has a grand in her hand and another grand tomorrow, with ZERO responsibility, and for doing virtually 'fuck' all? (Pun Intended)

The really smart girls who are very attractive will do both. Or they should anyway.

CurrentlySober · 01-13-2021, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

The really smart girls who are very attractive will do both. Or they should anyway.

Absolutely !

However, this is still the kinda girl who is GOING to do a porn shoot - Which was the point of the thread. But the point of my reply was really to Kelli58, who asked what girls gonna show up to a porn shoot when she could earn more by actually working...

AmeliaG · 01-13-2021, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

The really smart girls who are very attractive will do both. Or they should anyway.

I agree with this.

In addition, the talent with successful OF should, at this point, with the state of the industry, occasionally be hiring those video crews and photographers and makeup artists etc. This is not happening much yet, but there are a lot of smart people with OF accounts and similar, so it eventually will happen more and more.

The content which fans seem to respond to best is a mix of super professional perfection and super personal intimate and real-feeling amateur. All one or all the other does not do as well as a mix.

wankawonk · 01-13-2021, 03:42 PM

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Sure, but in reality only few make that

I heard that therapists are already dealing with girls coming in depressed because they aren't making anything on onlyfans and they don't understand why other girls make so much.

It's competitive as hell already

awwhoez · 01-13-2021, 03:51 PM

Only fans won't make money for long. the IRS will soon be making their rounds to collect. along with asking them to cause more restrictions. no high adult money making site is immune plus they are only big because COVID and mostly every woman who used to make money being either a waitress etc is out of work so they are only fanning.

NatalieK · 01-13-2021, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

I think your numbers are wrong there. My daughter's friend doesn't even get naked and these are her numbers

November 5553.60
December 1486.40 (she stopped posting anything on the 2nd)
January 428.00

Had she kept working it as she did in November, she would for sure have a nice residual income. Unfortunately, 90% of young, very pretty girls don't want to work hard for long.

the high was first time girl interest, although, you can ask her what percentage of creator she is in, goto her statements...

I´ve earnt from 200 to 3000 a month on OF, i post most days and regular for the past 2 to 3 years...

i´ve been from 30% to top 10% of creators, my stats are a rough guide but are most definitely about right

SRProductions · 01-13-2021, 04:30 PM

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Some people just don't get the fact that you need more than a hot model to shoot good porn.

agree ...

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