Ted Cruz has found the real vaccine enemy: Big Bird

[TheLegacy]

Thank you Ted Cruz for finding the source of all that is evil - Big Bird. Spreading real information about Covid Vax - encouraging kids and everyone to get it. Shame on you BB for getting political. What next? Kermit speaks out about wearing a condom so that he and Ms Piggy don't have kids just now?

I'm sorry but this is getting to stupid and guys like Cruz need to go live in a can.



"Government propaganda...for your 5 year old!," Cruz tweeted.
See, Big Bird is part of a conspiracy to get your 5- to 11-year-olds vaccinated against Covid-19! That damn yellow bird wants your kids to get a vaccine that will not only protect them from a virus that has killed more than 750,000 Americans but also keep them from unintentionally spreading it to parents and grandparents who may well be more susceptible to more serious infections even if they are vaccinated.

(Sidebar: Before you tell me that kids don't really get sick from Covid-19, do your research. According to the Peterson-Kaiser Family Foundation Health System Tracker, Covid-19 was the 6th leading cause of death among kids aged 5 to 14 in September. Same was true in August.)

This is, in a word, dumb. The idea that Big Bird is some sort of Deep State propagandist is roughly as credible as the notion that Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer. Or that Ted Cruz's father was involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/08/polit...ird/index.html

[12clicks]

yeah, meanwhile, Covid is less dangerous to kids than the flu.........


https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...n-the-flu.aspx

[jscott]

Politics & more

[TheLegacy]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

yeah, meanwhile, Covid is less dangerous to kids than the flu.........


https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...n-the-flu.aspx

Thanks for that link ol friend. Curious though your thoughts on Cruz going after Big Bird?

[Rochard]

Rumor has it Big Bird is in Cancun Mexico looking for Ted Cruz's balls...

[candyflip]

Pushing this propaganda on children this virus has little to no effect on, is fucking sick. Cruz isn't wrong here.

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Pushing this propaganda on children this virus has little to no effect on, is fucking sick. Cruz isn't wrong here.

You call that propaganda?

[CurrentlySober]

i lik big turd....

[jscott]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Pushing this propaganda on children this virus has little to no effect on, is fucking sick. Cruz isn't wrong here.

Gotta be some sick individuals to push children into Covid vaccinations

[OneHungLo]

Why are they pushing this vaccine on kids? Covid isn't dangerous to kids.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by jscott

Gotta be some sick individuals to push children into Covid vaccinations

It's not the first vaccine shot Big Bird has received... He got a shot for the measles in the 1970s. Right in front of Mr. Hooper's store. Not kidding.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Why are they pushing this vaccine on kids? Covid isn't dangerous to kids.

Bullshit.

Almost 2 years later and still spreading lies.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Bullshit.

Almost 2 years later and still spreading lies.

How is that a lie? The flu is way more dangerous to kids.

But experts maintain that the risks most children face from Covid-19 are low, even with the delta variant. “The risk in children has not changed with the new variant as far as we can tell,” Betsy Herold, a pediatric infectious disease physician at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, told me.

Herold estimates that less than 2 percent of children known to be infected by the coronavirus are hospitalized, and less than 0.03 percent of those infected die. It’s difficult to draw direct comparisons to American adults now that two-thirds in the US are vaccinated, while most kids aren’t. But before widespread vaccination, about 10 percent of people infected with Covid-19 were hospitalized, and around 1 percent died.

While there isn’t as much research on children and Covid-19 as experts would prefer, the data we do have suggests the risk of longer-term consequences, like long Covid or MIS-C (in which several organs become inflamed), is also very low.

[J. Falcon]

Moving the goalposts.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Moving the goalposts.

How is it dangerous? Flu shots are not mandatory for school kids and FACT: the flu is much more dangerous.

If you could refute it, you would have. You're the liar here and the one pushing lies for 2 years.

[datingbanking]

It is so fucking funny to watch Cruz trying to kill his electorate. So happy that little shit renounced his Canadian citizenship. The califate of Texas can keep him

[datingbanking]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Rumor has it Big Bird is in Cancun Mexico looking for Ted Cruz's balls...

They got cut off in Canada

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Covid isn't dangerous to kids.

Least Vaccinated States Lead Spike in Children’s Cases, Leaving Some Hospitals Stretched

Just as millions of families around the United States navigate sending their children back to school at an uncertain moment in the pandemic, the number of children admitted to the hospital with Covid-19 has risen to the highest levels reported to date. Nearly 30,000 of them entered hospitals in August.

U.S. Reports Record COVID Hospitalizations of Children

Aug. 16, 2021 -- The number of children hospitalized with COVID-19 in the U.S. hit a record high on Saturday, with more than 1,900 kids in hospitals.

U.S. Reports Record COVID Hospitalizations of Children

A number of children seriously ill with Covid-19 were admitted to intensive care in the last fortnight amid ongoing uncertainty about the impact of the virus on schools in the coming months.

Figures show in the two weeks to last Wednesday there were 33 under-18s hospitalised with Covid-19 – of whom four were in intensive care including children aged under four.

Not dangerous at all.

[k0nr4d]

1900 children in hospital in a country with a population of 330 million is a lot?

https://www.nfid.org/infectious-dise...-and-children/
"It is estimated that an average of 20,000 children under the age of 5 are hospitalized due to flu complications each year."

That's just children under 5, not even talking about up to 18.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

1900 children in hospital in a country with a population of 330 million is a lot?

https://www.nfid.org/infectious-dise...-and-children/
"It is estimated that an average of 20,000 children under the age of 5 are hospitalized due to flu complications each year."

That's just children under 5, not even talking about up to 18.

Let's put a number on it.

How many kids in the hospital from Covid is acceptable to you?

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Let's put a number on it.

How many kids in the hospital is acceptable to you?

That's a loaded question and you know it, man I can spin that around and say "how many kids in hospital from vaccine side effects is acceptable to you?". The answer for both question is none, but we both know that's not an option.

If I had to choose between 1900 and 20000, I choose 1900. We also don't know if that's 1900 with JUST covid, or if it's 1900 but a bunch of them have suppressed immune systems due to whatever. The same can be said of the 20000 of course, but one has to assume that the number of children with comorbidities or immunosupression due to some disease being treated is consistent throughout both data sets.

There have been hundreds of thousands of hospitalizations from flu every year but there was no flu vaccine mandates etc. It's irrefutable that the flu is more dangerous to children then COVID. Even vaccinating them to prevent spread to the elderly doesn't make sense, because statistics from highly vaccinated countries like Ireland, Israel, etc are showing that vaccinated people spread it just as easily as vaccinated.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

That's a loaded question and you know it, man I can spin that around and say "how many kids in hospital from vaccine side effects is acceptable to you?". The answer for both question is none, but we both know that's not an option.

It's an honest question. The other poster said "Covid isn't dangerous for kids." But now the goalposts are moved, and it's Covid isn't as dangerous as the flu.

Are there children in the hospital from side effects from the vaccine? Or are the numbers the same as adults?

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

There have been hundreds of thousands of hospitalizations from flu every year but there was no flu vaccine mandates etc. It's irrefutable that the flu is more dangerous to children then COVID.

Wrong. If that were irrefutable, you would have provided a link/proof. Sounds like B.S. to me.
And it is:

COVID-19 much more dangerous for kids than the flu, says Children's Hospital Pediatrician-in-Chief

"The morbidity and the long-term consequences have been much more impressive and striking with COVID than for flu. So, for example, during a typical flu season, we usually hospitalize around 46,000 kids in a year. With COVID, we've hospitalized over 200,000," said Simonsen.

Doctors are more worried about Covid than flu when it comes to children

For the past three decades, Dr. Toni Darville has treated some of the sickest children suffering from viral illnesses — especially the flu. "I've seen a lot of kids become extremely ill after influenza," said Darville, chief of pediatric infectious diseases at the University of North Carolina Children's Research Institute. Some have developed pneumonia. Others needed to be placed on machines called ECMO to help their damaged heart and lungs heal.

VERIFY: COVID-19 has caused more pediatric deaths than the flu in the last 18 months

HOUSTON — A lot of people compare COVID-19 to the seasonal flu. Some even say they think the flu poses a much bigger risk to children than COVID.

Is that true?

To answer the question, KHOU 11 pulled data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and spoke to Dr. Michael Chang, an assistant professor of pediatrics at UTHealth Houston.

“I think that’s false. I think the data from one year – the 2020 to 2021 flu season – shows that,” Chang said.

According to the CDC, one child under 18 years old died from the flu in the whole country during the 2020-2021 flu season.

“That’s when we were masking, physically distanced, and a lot of kids were doing virtual learning. We had a lot of mitigations in place. One death due to the flu, but we continued to have COVID deaths,” Chang said.

[k0nr4d]

Kids get sick all the time man. Colds, flus, everything. It's pretty normal for a kid to get sick. A cold is not dangerous to most people but some can end up in a hospital. I would prefer no child ever get sick, but that's not going to happen.

You just wrote a statistic saying 1900 children hospitalized. Now you write one with 200k children hospitalized.

You write a statistic that 1 child died of the flu. Using 2020 flu statistics doesn't make sense because the flu supposidely vanished during 2020. We had almost no flu in Poland either in 2020 but already like 800k cases in 2021.

CDC government shows 372 for 0-17 for 2018-2019, a "normal year" so to speak.. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

"In a series of preprints published on medRxiv1–3, a team of researchers picked through all hospital admissions and deaths reported for people younger than 18 in England. The studies found that COVID-19 caused 25 deaths in that age group between March 2020 and February 2021.

About half of those deaths were in individuals with an underlying complex disability with high health-care needs, such as tube feeding or assistance with breathing."
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01897-w

"Of 3,105 deaths from all causes among the 12 million or so people under 18 in England between March 2020 and February 2021, 25 were attributable to COVID-19 — a rate of about 2 for every million people in this age range."

So the mortality, statistically, is quite low in children. ​1 in 500k in the UK.

[k0nr4d]

HOUSTON — A lot of people compare COVID-19 to the seasonal flu. Some even say they think the flu poses a much bigger risk to children than COVID.

Is that true?

To answer the question, KHOU 11 pulled data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and spoke to Dr. Michael Chang, an assistant professor of pediatrics at UTHealth Houston.

“I think that’s false. I think the data from one year – the 2020 to 2021 flu season – shows that,” Chang said.

According to the CDC, one child under 18 years old died from the flu in the whole country during the 2020-2021 flu season.

“That’s when we were masking, physically distanced, and a lot of kids were doing virtual learning. We had a lot of mitigations in place. One death due to the flu, but we continued to have COVID deaths,” Chang said.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/season/faq-f..._1627000307956

"Flu activity was unusually low throughout the 2020-2021 flu season both in the United States and globally, despite high levels of testing. During September 28, 2020–May 22, 2021 in the United States, 1,675 (0.2%) of 818,939 respiratory specimens tested by U.S. clinical laboratories were positive for an influenza virus. The low level of flu activity during this past season contributed to dramatically fewer flu illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths compared with previous flu seasons. For comparison, during the last three seasons before the pandemic, the proportion of respiratory specimens testing positive for influenza peaked between 26.2% and 30.3%. In terms of hospitalizations, the cumulative rate of laboratory-confirmed influenza-associated hospitalizations in the 2020-2021 season was the lowest recorded since this type of data collection began in 2005. For pediatric deaths, CDC received one report of a pediatric flu death in a child during the 2020–2021 flu season. Since flu deaths in children became nationally notifiable in 2004, reported flu deaths in children had previously ranged from a low of 37 (during 2011-2012) to a high of 199 (during 2019-2020)."


They conveniently use an almost non-existent flu season to prove their statistics correct. I think it's more reasonable to assume that a ton of the covid cases were actually the flu (or for instance, someone was sick with the flu but tested positive for covid - much like someone could be asymptomatic but still test positive). I find it very hard to believe that masks and hand washing stopped the flu but not covid.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/season/faq-f..._1627000307956

"Flu activity was unusually low throughout the 2020-2021 flu season both in the United States and globally, despite high levels of testing. During September 28, 2020–May 22, 2021 in the United States, 1,675 (0.2%) of 818,939 respiratory specimens tested by U.S. clinical laboratories were positive for an influenza virus. The low level of flu activity during this past season contributed to dramatically fewer flu illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths compared with previous flu seasons. For comparison, during the last three seasons before the pandemic, the proportion of respiratory specimens testing positive for influenza peaked between 26.2% and 30.3%. In terms of hospitalizations, the cumulative rate of laboratory-confirmed influenza-associated hospitalizations in the 2020-2021 season was the lowest recorded since this type of data collection began in 2005. For pediatric deaths, CDC received one report of a pediatric flu death in a child during the 2020–2021 flu season. Since flu deaths in children became nationally notifiable in 2004, reported flu deaths in children had previously ranged from a low of 37 (during 2011-2012) to a high of 199 (during 2019-2020)."


They conveniently use an almost non-existent flu season to prove their statistics correct. I think it's more reasonable to assume that a ton of the covid cases were actually the flu (or for instance, someone was sick with the flu but tested positive for covid - much like someone could be asymptomatic but still test positive). I find it very hard to believe that masks and hand washing stopped the flu but not covid.

So you're going with your "gut" feeling instead of actual raw data and professional opinion?

Why is so "convenient" for them to lie/misrepresent their own data?

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

So you're going with your "gut" feeling instead of actual raw data and professional opinion?

Why is so "convenient" for them to lie/misrepresent their own data?

Not my gut feeling, but given that the flu and covid transmit in the same way and the influenza virus is smaller then the covid virus (making masks even less effective), one would logically have to deduce that the anti-covid measures, which didn't stop covid, even more-so would not stop the flu.

As for the convenience - if I wanted to portray that the flu is less deadly then covid for children, then I would use the flu statistics of 2020 because it was a substantially weaker flu season (almost non-existent). If they took the flu stats from an earlier year prior to covid existing at all - it would come out that the flu is deadlier for children then covid. It's a simple manipulation of statistics while saying "oh well we compared year to year so it's fair!". It's not.

Statistics can also be manipulated by only testing or polling specific groups, or using loaded questions. I could take a poll of people who played Russian Roulette and declare that it has a 100% survival rate because I'm polling only those that survived.

[lezinterracial]

I always thought Big Bird was full of shit.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Not my gut feeling, but given that the flu and covid transmit in the same way and the influenza virus is smaller then the covid virus (making masks even less effective), one would logically have to deduce that the anti-covid measures, which didn't stop covid, even more-so would not stop the flu.

As for the convenience - if I wanted to portray that the flu is less deadly then covid for children, then I would use the flu statistics of 2020 because it was a substantially weaker flu season (almost non-existent). If they took the flu stats from an earlier year prior to covid existing at all - it would come out that the flu is deadlier for children then covid. It's a simple manipulation of statistics while saying "oh well we compared year to year so it's fair!". It's not.

Statistics can also be manipulated by only testing or polling specific groups, or using loaded questions. I could take a poll of people who played Russian Roulette and declare that it has a 100% survival rate because I'm polling only those that survived.

You still haven't explained what they (doctors and medical professionals) gain from this so-called "manipulation" ?

Are you vaccinated?

[jscott]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Are you vaccinated?

That's nobody's business but ones own.

[plsureking]

now we know what the politics board looks like

wish i had time to care lol

#

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

You still haven't explained what they (doctors and medical professionals) gain from this so-called "manipulation" ?

Some doctors legitimately believe in the vaccine, some do not, and further others have grants given to them by pharma companies. Some are maybe invested financially in pharma companies. Some might be getting a kickback for promoting the vaccines - It's fairly common knowledge that doctors DO get kickbacks from pharma companies for prescribing certain medications. The ones that do promote vaccinations aren't necessarily lying - they are presented with studies etc, but they are still probably there promoting them for money.

https://www.propublica.org/article/d...any-tied-to-it

https://www.webmd.com/drug-medicatio...ny-perks-study

"Each year, about half of all U.S. doctors accept money or gifts from drug and device companies, totaling more than $2 billion."
https://www.statnews.com/2020/12/04/...n-prescribing/

Even sites like factcheck.org, I recently saw some article about the owners of that being invested into a pharma company for $1,4bil or something like that. That's an awful lot of motive to steer narative a certain way.

As for if i'm vaccinated or not - as jscott put it, that's no one's business but my own.

[datingbanking]

Originally Posted by jscott

That's nobody's business but ones own.

No, it isn't, if you've been to school (unlikely?) you had to be vaccinated.

Posturing is pointless and irrelevant.

Everything is becoming political, and your 'leaders' are laughing their heads off at the plebs.

Trump? Vaccinated.

Fox "news" everybody is vaccinated.

Pence? Vaccinated, but by a real doctor, a man, as mummy/wife is the only woman he can look at.

Putin? Vaccinated.

etc etc etc