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DVTimes · 04-06-2022, 04:25 AM

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This smart method of marketing is something I have posted about many years ago, but still worth posting again.

Television X for those who do not know is or was a TV adult station on satalight TV.

What they did (I have not seen it for years so I have no idea if they still do this) is show a few mins of soft core porn then scramble, and you have to pay to watch.

However...

UK law did not (I presume still does not) allow hard core porn, even scrambled.

So they would show cut versions of a film, or what some porn firms did was shoot with a second camera but at an angle where you see not a great deal, then sell that footage to Television X and put the hardcore on VHS and DVD to sell.

This meant that most of not all the cost of the shoot was paid for by selling the film to Television X, but also it turned out that people went out and purchased the real hard core version of the film so they could see the real stuff.

This is a trick that I suspect few porn makers do these days. The idea is shoot with two cameras. One getting the hard stuff and another moving so you see next to nothing (a very soft core version). You give the soft core version away free (such as tube sites) and you get lots of views, and people wanting to join your site to see the rude stuff.

At the moment the result is, many sites post or did post full films, and people then had seen what they wanted and did not join. Or to be crude, they watched the film, played with themselves, came, then were done (if you get me).That tends to be the problem with porn, is that you need in truth to get the sale before a chap comes, as once he has, it is unlikely he will be looking at porn, and have gone of to play a computer game or whatever.

CurrentlySober · 04-06-2022, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DVTimes

or what some porn firms did was shoot with a second camera but at an angle where you see not a great deal, then sell that footage to Television X and put the hardcore on VHS and DVD to sell.

This is a trick that I suspect few porn makers do these days. The idea is shoot with two cameras. One getting the hard stuff and another moving so you see next to nothing (a very soft core version)....

Common misconception. Very few of the TVX productions were shot like that (Using 2 cameras) simply due to the problems of the second camera man appearing in shot.
Also, the shoestring budgets available from TVX meant that 2 cameramen were not always going to be cost efficient.

What actually happened was an overall longer version was shot that was ever seen. A LOT of softcore was shot at the start, before clothes came fully off and establishing a 'silly story' (Think Mark 'n Randaulf - Shagnasty and Mutely) While the finished product was around half hour, for both a TVX show and a Hardcore Scene, infact around an hour and a halves overall footage would be shot.

Then the TV edit would include the silly story, all the softcore and just have a shot from behind of the anal, where you couldn't see anything, followed by a close up of the girls face, followed by a wider shot from the front, where you still couldn't see the action, but just the guy pumping away behind her etc... That's the one they show on TVX

Same shoot was then used again for DVD / VHS releases (18R and sold in sexshops) where you would have minimal story, more nudity and show more of the anal, but no close ups and no actual insertion.

Final use was another 'Under the counter' cut, which wasn't 18R certified, but basically would be no story and pretty much all the hardcore, all the stuff you couldnt show in an 18R, and very little of the softcore start.

TL:DR

To get three different edits out of a TVX shoot, it was more common to film for longer, and get enough footage to edit 3 different versions than it was to have a second cameraman on most of the shoots, competing for space with the sound guy and lighting guy.

SOURCE: I was present on MANY TVX and Adult channel shoots back in the late 90s

NatalieK · 04-06-2022, 08:28 AM

Full movies on most of these porn cable or satellite channels now

Was looking into putting some of our content onto the late night channels over Europe, I know Dark uses Private and Red light content

NatalieK · 04-06-2022, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

To get three different edits out of a TVX shoot, it was more common to film for longer, and get enough footage to edit 3 different versions than it was to have a second cameraman on most of the shoots, competing for space with the sound guy and lighting guy.

SOURCE: I was present on MANY TVX and Adult channel shoots back in the late 90s

the edits usually are softcore for cable and hardcore for the official sites dvd and online distribution and the hardcore would be cut for tubes

CurrentlySober · 04-06-2022, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

the edits usually are softcore for cable and hardcore for the official sites dvd and online distribution and the hardcore would be cut for tubes

Yeah, but I'm talking about TVX in the 1995 / 1999 years. You needed to have Broadcast Quality Cameras to film for them 'Betacams' were the ones they preferred. Big, Heavy, and extremely expensive. Hence why in the early days of TVX there were only a few people, shooting most of the shows.

If you didn't own / have access to a betacam, you couldn't provide them with the quality they required. If you wanted to rent a betacam, the cost of rental was more than you would be earning from TVX for the finished product...

Hence single camera shoots.

Sure, that changed later on, when a 3CCD camera was good enough quality, but that was more because they then had the tech at TVX end, which could 'Bump Up' the quality sufficiently for broadcast.

Of course, these days, its all moot - My phone in my pocket can record 4K at 60FPS, but in the early days of TVX, (Which is the era I am referring too) just having access to the right camera, was cost prohibitive... Let alone a second to shoot alongside.

DVTimes · 04-06-2022, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Yeah, but I'm talking about TVX in the 1995 / 1999 years. You needed to have Broadcast Quality Cameras to film for them 'Betacams' were the ones they preferred. Big, Heavy, and extremely expensive. Hence why in the early days of TVX there were only a few people, shooting most of the shows.

If you didn't own / have access to a betacam, you couldn't provide them with the quality they required. If you wanted to rent a betacam, the cost of rental was more than you would be earning from TVX for the finished product...

Hence single camera shoots.

Sure, that changed later on, when a 3CCD camera was good enough quality, but that was more because they then had the tech at TVX end, which could 'Bump Up' the quality sufficiently for broadcast.

Of course, these days, its all moot - My phone in my pocket can record 4K at 60FPS, but in the early days of TVX, (Which is the era I am referring too) just having access to the right camera, was cost prohibitive... Let alone a second to shoot alongside.

I agree.

However we are getting a bit off track.

My point/thought/idea was to shoot with a second camera a film to put on a porntube, so people may want to join your site for the hotter version.

My understanding was that the two camera trick was used by a few firms who found people did go out and but the VHS hardcore version.

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