Business Why do people in porn not talk about Unity or Unreal?

[DVTimes]

From time to time we get excited about the latest thing, that often turns out to be a flop. Such as 3D, VR or whatever.

But I am surprised that we do not seem to have people talk about Unity or Unreal.

We have many who will provide services to make WP sites or websites or tube clones and so on. We have people who will provide content.

But Unity or Unreal to me is where porn could be huge.

Now admittedly to learn such software takes skill and a powerful computer.

But the possibilities are huge.

Indeed considering the film industry seems to use such software it could mean porn no longer is some lame version of real films. It is possible that porn could be better than Hollywood films.

[k0nr4d]

Very simple explanation why...

It takes much less time to make a tube site or put up a wp blog then to make anything in unreal engine. Thus, the costs are going to be SUBSTANTIALLY higher to make anything in Unreal or Unity. Secondly, that's not web stuff - it runs on desktops or mobile devices as an app. You cant put anything adult related into the app store or google play - it get's rejected.

So yes, you can make an amazing porn game or whatever but the places you can sell it are limited and the amount of money it's oging to cost you to make, if you don't code yourself, is going to be enormous.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Very simple explanation why...

It takes much less time to make a tube site or put up a wp blog then to make anything in unreal engine. Thus, the costs are going to be SUBSTANTIALLY higher to make anything in Unreal or Unity. Secondly, that's not web stuff - it runs on desktops or mobile devices as an app. You cant put anything adult related into the app store or google play - it get's rejected.

So yes, you can make an amazing porn game or whatever but the places you can sell it are limited and the amount of money it's oging to cost you to make, if you don't code yourself, is going to be enormous.

It is not just a games machine.

In fact I was not posting about making games, as it is a fantastic way to make films.

By this I mean you can with this software creative a film better than the original star wars.

With an iphone you can scan in objects.

You can do so much.

In fact the latest things seem to be you can film in real time with a computer image placed behind you just like they do in the huge expensive film firms.

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So rather than just produce your box standard porn film, that anyone with a mobile phone can produce, it is possible to produce something amazing.

I have often wondered why none of the big sites are making porn this way.

From what i gather you need a powerful computer, and learn how to use the software.

But to me this is now. This is how TV and film firms are making films.

People often say porn is in the front of technology. On this it seems to be porn is still living in the past.

What such software could produce could push porn to the next level.

[2MuchMark]

I LOVE Unreal Engine 5. I'm no expert but I like playing around with it. And if you know your VFX, lots of movie and TV productions are made with Unreal Engine now.

I suspect that it would not lend anything to porn. To have a setup like The Volume I think its called would be expensive for any porn shoot, and just be a waste of money because it would just be distracting, and probably look stupid anyway.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

I LOVE Unreal Engine 5. I'm no expert but I like playing around with it. And if you know your VFX, lots of movie and TV productions are made with Unreal Engine now.

I suspect that it would not lend anything to porn. To have a setup like The Volume I think its called would be expensive for any porn shoot, and just be a waste of money because it would just be distracting, and probably look stupid anyway.

I would think a simple greenscreen setup.

The main cost is a powerful computer.

[TheLegacy]

I am totally surprised that all the VR religious fanatics who swear that it's the biggest thing on the market right now haven't come to take a slice out of you LOL.

Your first line, "From time to time we get excited about the latest thing, that often turns out to be a flop. Such as 3D, VR or whatever." was priceless and a whole thread could be dedicated just to that. Good for you and I agree 100%.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by TheLegacy

I am totally surprised that all the VR religious fanatics who swear that it's the biggest thing on the market right now haven't come to take a slice out of you LOL.

Your first line, "From time to time we get excited about the latest thing, that often turns out to be a flop. Such as 3D, VR or whatever." was priceless and a whole thread could be dedicated just to that. Good for you and I agree 100%.

We have covered VR before, and most agree it is a small market.

Mainly because the gear is very expensive, so few people have it. And many who have the gear are probably children who have it for computer games. As such the amount of adults, who have VR gear and want to pay to see porn, becomes small.

Plus if VR was still a thing in porn, we would still see people starting VR porn sites.

The VR porn sites seem to be big a few years ago then stopped.

Even youtube seems less excited about VR.

[MaDalton]

I have a company that does Unity & Unreal development - and the OP has no fucking clue what he's talking about - as usual.

There are plenty adult game developers who mostly use Unity - and the part where Unreal shines, in movie CGI, no one here can afford.

You can produce a nice hardcore video scene for $2000 - for that money you don't even get the project set up in Unity/Unreal

[trevesty]

There are a ton of NSFW games on Steam made with both of those.

There are a ton of amateur content publishers on the big tubes using both of those - in many cases to promote their games on Steam and other game marketplaces.

Just because you don't see them on GFY (where most of the industry IS NOT) doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

I have a company that does Unity & Unreal development - and the OP has no fucking clue what he's talking about - as usual.

There are plenty adult game developers who mostly use Unity - and the part where Unreal shines, in movie CGI, no one here can afford.

You can produce a nice hardcore video scene for $2000 - for that money you don't even get the project set up in Unity/Unreal

The part I bolded is the most important bit.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

I have a company that does Unity & Unreal development - and the OP has no fucking clue what he's talking about - as usual.

There are plenty adult game developers who mostly use Unity - and the part where Unreal shines, in movie CGI, no one here can afford.

You can produce a nice hardcore video scene for $2000 - for that money you don't even get the project set up in Unity/Unreal

Why are you talking about games when I clearly posted I was on about using the softwear to create a film.

You can produce a nice hardcore video scene for $2000 - for that money you don't even get the project set up in Unity/Unreal

Not sure what this means.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by trevesty

There are a ton of NSFW games on Steam made with both of those.

There are a ton of amateur content publishers on the big tubes using both of those - in many cases to promote their games on Steam and other game marketplaces.

Just because you don't see them on GFY (where most of the industry IS NOT) doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Why are you talking about games when I clearly posted I was on about using the softwear to create a film.

[Colmike9]

I've talked about Unity before.. I've been using a similar program before that called 3d Game Studio for years, too.

The reason why most people in porn don't talk about them is just basically for obvious reasons lol..

[the_software_dev]

What exactly do you want to accomplish with these? Unity & Unreal are incredibly powerful, but they're also: expensive, proprietary etc.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by the_software_dev

What exactly do you want to accomplish with these? Unity & Unreal are incredibly powerful, but they're also: expensive, proprietary etc.

Unreal is free.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

It is not just a games machine.

In fact I was not posting about making games, as it is a fantastic way to make films.

By this I mean you can with this software creative a film better than the original star wars.

With an iphone you can scan in objects.

You can do so much.

In fact the latest things seem to be you can film in real time with a computer image placed behind you just like they do in the huge expensive film firms.

so fucking do it then

all you do is bs and start garbage threads.

you give endless advice and tell real producers what they should do every day, but what are you producing? what is your product list? what videos have you shot? sites managed? happy clients? anything?



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[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by the_software_dev

What exactly do you want to accomplish with these? Unity & Unreal are incredibly powerful, but they're also: expensive, proprietary etc.

Um, nope! Unreal 5 is completely free. You can download it and start using it for zero cost.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

It is not just a games machine.

In fact I was not posting about making games, as it is a fantastic way to make films.

By this I mean you can with this software creative a film better than the original star wars.

With an iphone you can scan in objects.

You can do so much.

In fact the latest things seem to be you can film in real time with a computer image placed behind you just like they do in the huge expensive film firms.

You can do all of that for sure, but so far porn companies aren't applying this technology properly at all. And to really do it right requires money and time.

The main problem with VR porn is that it is video, and the user is too limited in what he can do. He can't walk around to get a better angle or view like he wants to, and he can't get close to the action like he wants to without the image turning ugly

VR in porn is good for 3D but only when the camera(s) are close to the action. If the camera(s) are over here and the girl-girl action is happening over there, the 3D effect is minimal, and the scene in general is boring as fuck.

If you want to take advantage of the current technology, here is what you have to do.

1. Create detailed 3D Scans of your models.
2. Create performance capture of your models (faces, bodies). The more data you can create here the more shallow the Unvanny Valley will be. (Part 1)
3. Create Motion capture models of your models.
4. Pay your models for their scanning time and image rights (important!) then kick them out as you don't need them anymore.
5. Place the 3D models in your scenes created in Unreal. Use some AI voice generators or AI Voice-changers to make them say what you want.
6. Play with the lighting. Learn what Sub-Surface scattering or your model's skin will look like plastic. This too will help keep them out of the uncanny valley.
7. Hold on to those image rights. If those models become stars, the 3D Data you own of them will be worth alot, especially when they age.

No matter what you do, your models will still look creepy and dead, but of course technology is improving all the time.

[TheVoy]

Quality and quantity.

In porn webmastering, it's quantity before quality.

[lezinterracial]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

It is not just a games machine.

In fact I was not posting about making games, as it is a fantastic way to make films.

By this I mean you can with this software creative a film better than the original star wars.

With an iphone you can scan in objects.

You can do so much.

In fact the latest things seem to be you can film in real time with a computer image placed behind you just like they do in the huge expensive film firms.

I have thought of this myself. Same issue as regular porn. You make a kick ass animated porn movie. Where do you sell it? Once you do make your animated porn. A week later it is on all the tube site.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by lezinterracial

I have thought of this myself. Same issue as regular porn. You make a kick ass animated porn movie. Where do you sell it? Once you do make your animated porn. A week later it is on all the tube site.

My thought is not just to do a fully animated porn but use the softear to create the area it is filmed.

So for example rather than just shooting a sexy model nude, you place her into the softear and now she is nude on a spaceship.

It is no different to using a photo editing softwear, or film editing. It is just another tool to create something amazing.

In truth people in porn do not even seem to talk about the clever bits you can now do in video editing, such as tracking and layering.

The possibilities are huge and endless.

For instance produce a full TV show like game of thrones, but more sex.

Yes you could make the actors all computer generated, but in truth, in my opinion, you film real people but use the softwear to put them in a different place or time.

And you have something that may have cost you no more to put together than an average porn shoot, may look like it cost millions to make.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Um, nope! Unreal 5 is completely free. You can download it and start using it for zero cost.

Correct.

The cost is you need a very powerful computer, but the big studios probably have one to edit films with anyway.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

You can do all of that for sure, but so far porn companies aren't applying this technology properly at all. And to really do it right requires money and time.

The main problem with VR porn is that it is video, and the user is too limited in what he can do. He can't walk around to get a better angle or view like he wants to, and he can't get close to the action like he wants to without the image turning ugly

VR in porn is good for 3D but only when the camera(s) are close to the action. If the camera(s) are over here and the girl-girl action is happening over there, the 3D effect is minimal, and the scene in general is boring as fuck.

If you want to take advantage of the current technology, here is what you have to do.

1. Create detailed 3D Scans of your models.
2. Create performance capture of your models (faces, bodies). The more data you can create here the more shallow the Unvanny Valley will be. (Part 1)
3. Create Motion capture models of your models.
4. Pay your models for their scanning time and image rights (important!) then kick them out as you don't need them anymore.
5. Place the 3D models in your scenes created in Unreal. Use some AI voice generators or AI Voice-changers to make them say what you want.
6. Play with the lighting. Learn what Sub-Surface scattering or your model's skin will look like plastic. This too will help keep them out of the uncanny valley.
7. Hold on to those image rights. If those models become stars, the 3D Data you own of them will be worth alot, especially when they age.

No matter what you do, your models will still look creepy and dead, but of course technology is improving all the time.

Personally I would not be scanning models in.

I was thinking more placing footage of them (shot on greenscreen for example), into the softwear to create an amazing footage.

Of course you could have the model having sex with an animated computer image. So you could have a footage of your model and it looks like she is having sex with a robot for instance.

I think people are not understanding what this software can in fact do.

Think of a film such as raiders of the lost arc. The cost to build a studio where your actor is running with ball chasing you for example is huge. You can cheat by using miniature's. But with this softwear you can build it all in the softwear, then sim-ly film your actor and place in or her into the softwear. The result should be so realistic that people do not question it.

So lets say you have a solo girl site. Now you could place her in the jungle walking around naked, yet all you did was have her shot in a room using a greenscreen. but many people looking may believe you have flown out and shot in a real jungle.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by plsureking

so fucking do it then

all you do is bs and start garbage threads.

you give endless advice and tell real producers what they should do every day, but what are you producing? what is your product list? what videos have you shot? sites managed? happy clients? anything?

My stuff is basic.

You can see old and new stuff i have shot at: https://www.holedex.com/

I do plan on using the softwear, but at the moment i am having fun experimenting with props.

I have started off by using latex rubber, but found it is very thin and watery.

For one shoot I used a film set before they dismantled it. As it was in public I was allowed to film it. Technically it makes one of my shoots one of the most expensive porn shoots going as the chap told me it cost millions to build the set.

But I am just having fun at the moment, experimenting.

The problem I have it at the moment its is freezing in the UK, and I need to be filming outside with the models.

In an ideal world I would have a full studio, but we are talking several millions.

But right now things seem exciting as what we have access today is amazing, and such low cost.

But the thing is, the amount you must teach yourself is huge.

For instance another aspect we do not talk about is sound. In truth this is something in recent years that has got me learning all about sound and sound recording.

There is just so much to learn these days.

I often feel swamped with how much you need to know.

[DVTimes]

Someone just posted this:

https://gfy.com/23110846-post1.html

This sort of goes along with this thread.

For example you could have a website with babes in uniform.

You could have them in a studio, or stood outside. Both would be sexy.

But now imagine if you have them placed into a film where she is fighting in a tank or huge machine guns and lets say she is fighting aliens.

Now can you see how this softwear can work.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

But I am surprised that we do not seem to have people talk about Unity or Unreal.

We have many who will provide services to make WP sites or websites or tube clones and so on. We have people who will provide content.

But Unity or Unreal to me is where porn could be huge.

Video games with adult content use these softwares

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by pornmasta

Video games with adult content use these softwares

My post is not about making computer games but using the softwear for film use.

[fuzebox]

Wait, so the suggestion of this thread is actually to use green screen so the porn can happen in a random fictional location rather than a hotel room?

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Wait, so the suggestion of this thread is actually to use green screen so the porn can happen in a random fictional location rather than a hotel room?

If you look at what the softwear can do, it is far more than that.

Basically many film and TV firms are using the softwaer for films.

I suggest you youtube all the things it can do before you post, otherwise it is like saying, video editors just cut up film a bit.

[candyflip]

I have an Unreal Engine virtual production studio. Company I was working for paid me for two years to build out a studio and workflow. They scrapped all the work, let me go, then sold me a bunch of the gear for next to nothing. Now i’m using the tech to create video for some of their clients. Names you’d all recognize.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

You can do all of that for sure, but so far porn companies aren't applying this technology properly at all. And to really do it right requires money and time.

The main problem with VR porn is that it is video, and the user is too limited in what he can do. He can't walk around to get a better angle or view like he wants to, and he can't get close to the action like he wants to without the image turning ugly

VR in porn is good for 3D but only when the camera(s) are close to the action. If the camera(s) are over here and the girl-girl action is happening over there, the 3D effect is minimal, and the scene in general is boring as fuck.

If you want to take advantage of the current technology, here is what you have to do.

1. Create detailed 3D Scans of your models.
2. Create performance capture of your models (faces, bodies). The more data you can create here the more shallow the Unvanny Valley will be. (Part 1)
3. Create Motion capture models of your models.
4. Pay your models for their scanning time and image rights (important!) then kick them out as you don't need them anymore.
5. Place the 3D models in your scenes created in Unreal. Use some AI voice generators or AI Voice-changers to make them say what you want.
6. Play with the lighting. Learn what Sub-Surface scattering or your model's skin will look like plastic. This too will help keep them out of the uncanny valley.
7. Hold on to those image rights. If those models become stars, the 3D Data you own of them will be worth alot, especially when they age.

No matter what you do, your models will still look creepy and dead, but of course technology is improving all the time.

This is completely different from what the process he’s trying to expose everyone to.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Wait, so the suggestion of this thread is actually to use green screen so the porn can happen in a random fictional location rather than a hotel room?

We shot this in 2017

https://realitylovers.com/vd/11362990/Space-Orgasm


Aside from that I'd like to repeat that the OP is a (literal) clown.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Um, nope! Unreal 5 is completely free. You can download it and start using it for zero cost.

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Correct.

The cost is you need a very powerful computer, but the big studios probably have one to edit films with anyway.

Originally Posted by candyflip

I have an Unreal Engine virtual production studio. Company I was working for paid me for two years to build out a studio and workflow. They scrapped all the work, let me go, then sold me a bunch of the gear for next to nothing. Now i’m using the tech to create video for some of their clients. Names you’d all recognize.

Shh. It's completely free! You just need a good PC. None of that stuff that is required to actually get the most out of the software, like competent artists, a "set" of sorts, etc., matters. Why don't porn producers use this totally 100% free software to make epic porn? SMH.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Um, nope! Unreal 5 is completely free. You can download it and start using it for zero cost.

It's only zero cost if your time has no value - to produce something worth looking at you'll need months if not years of learning.

Or you have to pay someone who did that already.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by trevesty

Shh. It's completely free! You just need a good PC. None of that stuff that is required to actually get the most out of the software, like competent artists, a "set" of sorts, etc., matters. Why don't porn producers use this totally 100% free software to make epic porn? SMH.

Originally Posted by MaDalton

It's only zero cost if your time has no value - to produce something worth looking at you'll need months if not years of learning.

Or you have to pay someone who did that already.

As we say in German: "Zwei Dumme, ein Gedanke" (two idiots, one thought)

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

As we say in German: "Zwei Dumme, ein Gedanke" (two idiots, one thought)

Yeah, it's pretty clear that neither one of them have any clue what they're talking about. Friend of mine's game studio just got funded and he's out about $400k in salaries just for Unreal artists to create models and all that.. just the salaries.

Pretty free, though.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by trevesty

Yeah, it's pretty clear that neither one of them have any clue what they're talking about. Friend of mine's game studio just got funded and he's out about $400k in salaries just for Unreal artists to create models and all that.. just the salaries.

Pretty free, though.

One of my ex freelance guys now works fulltime in movies, for instance on this one (among others): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1302467..._=nv_sr_srsg_4

They did for example the scenes inside the safes with the turning cogwheels.

But sure, the studio saved big time cause Unreal is free.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by trevesty

Yeah, it's pretty clear that neither one of them have any clue what they're talking about. Friend of mine's game studio just got funded and he's out about $400k in salaries just for Unreal artists to create models and all that.. just the salaries.

Pretty free, though.

yea that's a good train to hop on for programmers. easy as shit work. mostly creative.

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[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by candyflip

This is completely different from what the process he’s trying to expose everyone to.

Yes, you understand.

I am probably not detailing it well.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

It's only zero cost if your time has no value - to produce something worth looking at you'll need months if not years of learning.

Or you have to pay someone who did that already.

I do not think this software needs a huge amount of learning.

No more than using a film editor.

What you have said could apply to everything.

You may as well say do not shoot porn as you will need to know about lighting, sound and so on.

Did you give this advice 20 years ago to people. Do not bother to learn how to do websites as it is hard work. Did you tell the chap who set up Amazon that it is a lot of work so do not bother.

I suspect if we go back many years to the dawn of time, my ancestors were trying to make fire and invent the wheel. Yours were probably telling mine, do not bother, it is too much work.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by trevesty

Yeah, it's pretty clear that neither one of them have any clue what they're talking about. Friend of mine's game studio just got funded and he's out about $400k in salaries just for Unreal artists to create models and all that.. just the salaries.

Pretty free, though.

If you read my posts, I am not saying use computer generated people.

I am saying use this softwear to create backgrounds and so on and place people in them.

A lot of things to use are free or cheap.

It is like everything, you can go big, so you could have 30 people filming a porn film, and 10 people editing it. Or you can do it yourself.

Many people are using this softwear on there own.

Plenty of youtube vids showing the great results.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

You can do all of that for sure, but so far porn companies aren't applying this technology properly at all. And to really do it right requires money and time.

The main problem with VR porn is that it is video, and the user is too limited in what he can do. He can't walk around to get a better angle or view like he wants to, and he can't get close to the action like he wants to without the image turning ugly

VR in porn is good for 3D but only when the camera(s) are close to the action. If the camera(s) are over here and the girl-girl action is happening over there, the 3D effect is minimal, and the scene in general is boring as fuck.

If you want to take advantage of the current technology, here is what you have to do.

1. Create detailed 3D Scans of your models.
2. Create performance capture of your models (faces, bodies). The more data you can create here the more shallow the Unvanny Valley will be. (Part 1)
3. Create Motion capture models of your models.
4. Pay your models for their scanning time and image rights (important!) then kick them out as you don't need them anymore.
5. Place the 3D models in your scenes created in Unreal. Use some AI voice generators or AI Voice-changers to make them say what you want.
6. Play with the lighting. Learn what Sub-Surface scattering or your model's skin will look like plastic. This too will help keep them out of the uncanny valley.
7. Hold on to those image rights. If those models become stars, the 3D Data you own of them will be worth alot, especially when they age.

No matter what you do, your models will still look creepy and dead, but of course technology is improving all the time.

all this has been done, it failed miserably and burnt millions.

[DVTimes]

[DVTimes]