Business Please recommend a host that....

[Teen Boys Milk]

I am involved in running websites similar to sites like.. boycall.com and boyester.xxx

I have been running into issues with cybertips and CP complaints. Of course it is impossible for me to verify the age of user submitted homemade amateur content but when the complaints come in I take immediate action and remove the content.

I have has hosts that are lenient and understanding about this situation and work with me on it without too much problems. But I just got a new host and the first tip that came in they immediately disabled my domain.

Is there anyone out there in the world of GFY that personally knows of a hosting provider that is understanding and lenient when it comes to these situations and is willing to allow me to field these complaints and take action instead of just disabling my domains and giving no fucks?

Also please don't bother replying telling me to not own or operate these kinds of sites. You reply is useless and doesn't help. I am well aware of these risks and complicated issues involved in running such sites as I have been doing this for a very long time. This is simply a post asking for HOSTING RECOMMENDATIONS. So don't waste your time and my time with your smart ass rhetoric.

[plsureking]

so you don't have any billing problems, just hosting?

how did your host know you got a tip? hosts don't generally care what you're selling, especially if they are offshore.

do you have server guys to set up the server and move your sites?

#

[Teen Boys Milk]

Originally Posted by plsureking

so you don't have any billing problems, just hosting?

how did your host know you got a tip? hosts don't generally care what you're selling, especially if they are offshore.

do you have server guys to set up the server and move your sites?

#

they were sent the underage content report directly by the cybertip organization. And no I would need a fully managed server and a host that would provide migration services.

[Relentless]

If your site is run properly the only host in adult worth considering at this point is MojoHost. They obviously arent going to host anything illegal but I would speak to them about ways they may be able to host you and keep your site clean....

Hosting | MojoHost | Dedicated Servers, Virtual Private Servers

[Sly]

Originally Posted by plsureking

so you don't have any billing problems, just hosting?

how did your host know you got a tip? hosts don't generally care what you're selling, especially if they are offshore.

do you have server guys to set up the server and move your sites?

#

Complaint groups or agencies typically bypass the sites, which often ignore them, and go straight to the IP owner for faster response.

[plsureking]

this looks interesting:
https://offshorededi.com/

#

[SekobA]

I use m3server ..give them a try

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by Teen Boys Milk

So don't waste your time and my time with your smart ass rhetoric.

That is a GFY staple . . .

[ruff]

Try Exmasters.com

[Teen Boys Milk]

Originally Posted by plsureking

this looks interesting:
https://offshorededi.com/

#

I had no idea something like this existed....interesting

Thanks for letting me know about it.

[Brad Mitchell]

If you’re not using common sense to moderate your uploads then we don’t want your business. The gay tube sites targeting teen niche are ripe with CP and stolen content- especially because the copyright holders are rarely giving permission for these libraries.

Disable unqualified user submissions and go the route of promoting affiliate programs and legitimate submissions. We love hosting porn of all varieties and are very judicious with our responses and reporting, but if you’re not Carefully exercising editorial on 18-21 “teen” submissions or using common sense then you’ll end up in a world of hurt with the authorities.

Very likely what you are also in denial of is that CP offenders use this opportunity to share and spread these videos. As a site owner, you have to take extra efforts to spot and disallow content more broadly even if you risk being wrong if they’re older. Let me repeat, this user demographic specifically spreads a plethora of CP. site owner beware, you’re criminally liable if there is a pattern established with what is found on your web site.

Follow the rules and have good practices and we are happy to host it. There is such a multiple of real CP on gay tube sites versus straight ones though that you have to be extra careful. I have been told there are some AI technologies that can be used to more accurately identify such material. If I operated such a site, I would use a combination of whitelisting moderation and this to stay out of trouble.

If someone can’t “make it” hosting at MojoHost then they’re most likely going to end up in jail. Serious inquiries email [email protected]

Best of luck,

Brad

[Teen Boys Milk]

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

If you’re not using common sense to moderate your uploads then we don’t want your business. The gay tube sites targeting teen niche are ripe with CP and stolen content- especially because the copyright holders are rarely giving permission for these libraries.

Disable unqualified user submissions and go the route of promoting affiliate programs and legitimate submissions. We love hosting porn of all varieties and are very judicious with our responses and reporting, but if you’re not Carefully exercising editorial on 18-21 “teen” submissions or using common sense then you’ll end up in a world of hurt with the authorities.

Very likely what you are also in denial of is that CP offenders use this opportunity to share and spread these videos. As a site owner, you have to take extra efforts to spot and disallow content more broadly even if you risk being wrong if they’re older. Let me repeat, this user demographic specifically spreads a plethora of CP. site owner beware, you’re criminally liable if there is a pattern established with what is found on your web site.

Follow the rules and have good practices and we are happy to host it. There is such a multiple of real CP on gay tube sites versus straight ones though that you have to be extra careful. I have been told there are some AI technologies that can be used to more accurately identify such material. If I operated such a site, I would use a combination of whitelisting moderation and this to stay out of trouble.

If someone can’t “make it” hosting at MojoHost then they’re most likely going to end up in jail. Serious inquiries email [email protected]

Best of luck,

Brad

I never ONCE considered you as my new host and now after you condescending reply I am even more happy to never consider you as a host.

You are not in the same business as me sir.

You are rattling on about copyrights when I do not even publish copyrighted content. All of my content is 100 percent homemade porn.

I have been doing this for a decade. When dealing with the kind of content I deal with you have only two ways of "judiciously" moderating content.

1. Making judgement calls based solely on my and my admins own personal OPINION on whether of not the content is CP, basing that opinion solely on looks and looks alone.(barring any obvious outliers such as someone in the video saying they are underage for example)

2. Relying on reporting from website visitors who will flag the content for review. many cases involve either the individual in the video contacting us to say they were underage and or someone with first hand knowledge. a 3rd option would be these reporting agency's who are harassing me at the moment, IF THEY ONLY CONTACTED ME INSTEAD OF MY HOST. The fact that they contact your host directly opens their WELL MEANING and righteous mission to be used as a TOOL OF ATTACK by enemies.

Seems to me that MOJO Host man envisions a world where amateur homemade twink pornography just should not exist at all. Just too risky he says. Too DIRTY he says.

Well sir I say to you please GFY. I will continue to do my part to provide people all over the world with the LEGAL porn they want.

[sandman!]

Good luck finding a hosting company in the USA to host you no one will deal with multiple cp complaints like your getting your best bet is some offshore hosting company that does not give a shit about anything.

Originally Posted by Teen Boys Milk

I never ONCE considered you as my new host and now after you condescending reply I am even more happy to never consider you as a host.

You are not in the same business as me sir.

You are rattling on about copyrights when I do not even publish copyrighted content. All of my content is 100 percent homemade porn.

I have been doing this for a decade. When dealing with the kind of content I deal with you have only two ways of "judiciously" moderating content.

1. Making judgement calls based solely on my and my admins own personal OPINION on whether of not the content is CP, basing that opinion solely on looks and looks alone.(barring any obvious outliers such as someone in the video saying they are underage for example)

2. Relying on reporting from website visitors who will flag the content for review. many cases involve either the individual in the video contacting us to say they were underage and or someone with first hand knowledge. a 3rd option would be these reporting agency's who are harassing me at the moment, IF THEY ONLY CONTACTED ME INSTEAD OF MY HOST. The fact that they contact your host directly opens their WELL MEANING and righteous mission to be used as a TOOL OF ATTACK by enemies.

Seems to me that MOJO Host man envisions a world where amateur homemade twink pornography just should not exist at all. Just too risky he says. Too DIRTY he says.

Well sir I say to you please GFY. I will continue to do my part to provide people all over the world with the LEGAL porn they want.

[Teen Boys Milk]

Originally Posted by sandman!

Good luck finding a hosting company in the USA to host you no one will deal with multiple cp complaints like your getting your best bet is some offshore hosting company that does not give a shit about anything.

All I have to do is switch servers/IP and hosting provider and then encrypt my domain registrar situation and finally cloudflare my dns. Their automated CSAM scanning tools cannot determine my host at that point.

Also I have contacted a few of these reporting agency's and they have actually agreed to send complaint directly to my business email instead of my host. Who would have thought?

[sandman!]

I wish you all the best, if you can get the people making the reports to send them to you not the host then everyone would host you.

Originally Posted by Teen Boys Milk

All I have to do is switch servers/IP and hosting provider and then encrypt my domain registrar situation and finally cloudflare my dns. Their automated CSAM scanning tools cannot determine my host at that point.

Also I have contacted a few of these reporting agency's and they have actually agreed to send complaint directly to my business email instead of my host. Who would have thought?

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by Teen Boys Milk

All I have to do is switch servers/IP and hosting provider and then encrypt my domain registrar situation and finally cloudflare my dns. Their automated CSAM scanning tools cannot determine my host at that point.

Also I have contacted a few of these reporting agency's and they have actually agreed to send complaint directly to my business email instead of my host. Who would have thought?

They will send the CP reports to cloudflare and cloudflare will kill your account instead of your host.

CP comes with the territory when it comes to twink/gay teen sites and I'm not going to name names but we ourselves have already severed relationships with two popular twink sites because they were absolutely overflowing with blatant images of 12-14 year olds. Multiple warnings were given but ultimately to no effect. I have nothing against gay sites but at the same time, I have NEVER had an issue with CP on sites outside of the twink niche.

If you are getting that much CP on your site, you aren't doing your due diligence and are ultimately enabling pedophiles to spread that stuff. You should be moderating all uploads yourself. Not just videos, but user avatars/profile images/etc. If you aren't, you are not only putting yourself at great risk because you will have child porn in your browser cache on your pc, but also everyone you work with on the site that may have to provide support for it such as your webhost, programmers, designers etc. We have an obligation to protect our staff by not exposing them - even accidentally - to CP.

[Oracle Porn]

I visited one of your sites and I already see 14 year olds on the main page. Disgusting.
You should be in jail and not on GFY asking for hosting.

[Brad Mitchell]

Well said Konrad and Oracle Porn

Brad

[Sly]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

They will send the CP reports to cloudflare and cloudflare will kill your account instead of your host.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by Teen Boys Milk

You are rattling on about copyrights when I do not even publish copyrighted content. All of my content is 100 percent homemade porn.

What makes you think that "homemade porn" is not protected by copyright? Those videos have their creators and creators are protected.

[InfoGuy]

Originally Posted by Teen Boys Milk

I never ONCE considered you as my new host and now after you condescending reply I am even more happy to never consider you as a host.

You are not in the same business as me sir.

You are rattling on about copyrights when I do not even publish copyrighted content. All of my content is 100 percent homemade porn.

I have been doing this for a decade. When dealing with the kind of content I deal with you have only two ways of "judiciously" moderating content.

1. Making judgement calls based solely on my and my admins own personal OPINION on whether of not the content is CP, basing that opinion solely on looks and looks alone.(barring any obvious outliers such as someone in the video saying they are underage for example)

2. Relying on reporting from website visitors who will flag the content for review. many cases involve either the individual in the video contacting us to say they were underage and or someone with first hand knowledge. a 3rd option would be these reporting agency's who are harassing me at the moment, IF THEY ONLY CONTACTED ME INSTEAD OF MY HOST. The fact that they contact your host directly opens their WELL MEANING and righteous mission to be used as a TOOL OF ATTACK by enemies.

Seems to me that MOJO Host man envisions a world where amateur homemade twink pornography just should not exist at all. Just too risky he says. Too DIRTY he says.

Well sir I say to you please GFY. I will continue to do my part to provide people all over the world with the LEGAL porn they want.

As you said, you and your staff are making personal opinions of whether or not user submitted content is CP. Therefore, you do NOT absolutely know whether or not you are providing legal porn or in possession of and distributing CP.

Brad is a stand-up guy who tells it like it is. His recommendations are sound and for webmasters who want to run legitimate businesses. But you would rather take unnecessary risks and throw caution to the wind, where your luck will eventually run out. You worry about hosts taking down your sites instead of being more concerned about your freedom. It only takes one complaint to the authorities instead of your hosting company to send you down the path to prison. You give legitimate webmasters a bad name.

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by InfoGuy

Brad is a stand-up guy who tells it like it is. His recommendations are sound and for webmasters who want to run legitimate businesses. But you would rather take unnecessary risks and throw caution to the wind, where your luck will eventually run out. You worry about hosts taking down your sites instead of being more concerned about your freedom. It only takes one complaint to the authorities instead of your hosting company to send you down the path to prison. You give legitimate webmasters a bad name.

You would be fucking surprised the hoops you'd have to jump through to get someone arrested for possession of CP. They have to be in possession of the actual files on their PC or phone...

[InfoGuy]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

You would be fucking surprised the hoops you'd have to jump through to get someone arrested for possession of CP. They have to be in possession of the actual files on their PC or phone...

If he downloaded backups of his sites, then he could have CP on his PC.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

You would be fucking surprised the hoops you'd have to jump through to get someone arrested for possession of CP. They have to be in possession of the actual files on their PC or phone...

not to mention there must be proven intent

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

not to mention there must be proven intent

Yeah, the criminal justice system is a joke. I can hand the police a pedophile on a fucking silver platter and nothing will come of it.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Yeah, the criminal justice system is a joke. I can hand the police a pedophile on a fucking silver platter and nothing will come of it.

That wasn't my point. My point was that the sole fact that someone has any illegal content in his PC doesn't automatically make him liable.

[ruff]

Once you are branded, you are branded for life.

[Forkbeard]

Originally Posted by Teen Boys Milk

I never ONCE considered you as my new host and now after you condescending reply I am even more happy to never consider you as a host.

You are not in the same business as me sir.

You are rattling on about copyrights when I do not even publish copyrighted content. All of my content is 100 percent homemade porn.

I have been doing this for a decade.

I laughed out loud when I saw this.

That's the best, most considerate, most measured response you are ever going to get to your question about your extremely risky activity, from the only host in the USA that you can trust with your adult content to the maximum reach of the law (and not one inch further, duh.) And you are so dumb you think you got condescended to?

And then there is your wild ignorance (willful?) on the nature of copyright. Copyright inheres in every "work of authorship" (every photograph ever taken). There is no such thing as "homemade porn" that isn't copyrighted, unless it's so old the copyright has expired. Every photo on your network is copyrighted, you doofus!

It's true that the amateur photographer who took a given snapshot may never intend to enforce his or her copyright, but that's something else entirely. There are entire careers in porn that can be cultivated around a skill at successfully guessing whether publication of a particular copyrighted photo (but I repeat myself) will trigger a complaint from an angry rightsholder. I'd say "ask me how I know" but I don't propose to tell you, so let's skip that part.

You been doing what you do for an entire decade and you apparently still think copyright is something that only applies to commercial porn? You can't actually be that dumb. You've got to be gaslighting us, as a commercial stance to justify your head-in-the-sand business model.

[Brian mike]

Teen Boys Milk
So Fucking Banned

[jgabra62]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Yeah, the criminal justice system is a joke. I can hand the police a pedophile on a fucking silver platter and nothing will come of it.

yes, you hand them over by working with theync (making their site).. where they sell rape videos of underage indian girls.. or spyirl, where you can find more underage girls... your clients..

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by jgabra62

yes, you hand them over by working with theync (making their site).. where they sell rape videos of underage indian girls.. or spyirl, where you can find more underage girls... your clients..

We make websites for clients, and do custom projects. When we deliver, the sites are typically empty other then some test content we might upload. Past that, we have nothing to do with what goes on them, and do not monitor them. If I see something suspicious when performing support or customization, I inform the client. It's up to them to moderate what gets uploaded to their websites. That being said, I have never browsed either of those sites in any depth but from what I have seen, I have not seen anything that looked underage. If you find anything like that on those sites, I'm sure if you contact the owners they will remove it.

[jgabra62]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

We make websites for clients, and do custom projects. When we deliver, the sites are typically empty other then some test content we might upload. Past that, we have nothing to do with what goes on them, and do not monitor them. If I see something suspicious when performing support or customization, I inform the client. It's up to them to moderate what gets uploaded to their websites. That being said, I have never browsed either of those sites in any depth but from what I have seen, I have not seen anything that looked underage. If you find anything like that on those sites, I'm sure if you contact the owners they will remove it.

liar liar pants on fire ...

you converted their existing site. migrated their videos. you know what's "underground" ... you know how much you were paid exactly and for what.

you know what's spyirl... selling videos of underage teens in bathrooms...

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by jgabra62

liar liar pants on fire ...

you converted their existing site. migrated their videos. you know what's "underground" ... you know how much you were paid exactly and for what.

you know what's spyirl... selling videos of underage teens in bathrooms...

You are making a lot of assumptions as to what I "know".

First of all, theync underground section is just a category, and no, I don't know what's in there. I really do not spend time browsing that site.

Secondly, I don't remember if we migrated any content or not. We may have, we may not have. If we did, we definitely didn't do it manually, it would have been automated via a script and at that point all that interests us is a spot check if videos play and if thumbs work. Furthermore, assuming there even is underage content on that site, it wasn't necessarily there many years ago.

Regarding Spyirl, a quick glance at that site and all those girls look to be in their 20s. I have no idea what you are going on about here. Many of them suspiciously seem to have the same bathroom. It's probably purchased voyeur content.

I don't even know what point you are trying to make or what you are trying to prove exactly. Theync is user uplaoded content. We don't go through thousands of videos added to thousands of sites every day scouring for this or that - that's fucking absurd. It is the responsibility of the site owners to do that.

Report it to the site owner, or go bitch to their billers. Part of their due diligence when approving a site is to check for this shit. Seems more like you're the one that's finding CP and not doing anything about it.

[Ferus]

Originally Posted by Teen Boys Milk

I never ONCE considered you as my new host and now after you condescending reply I am even more happy to never consider you as a host.

You are not in the same business as me sir.

You are rattling on about copyrights when I do not even publish copyrighted content. All of my content is 100 percent homemade porn.

I have been doing this for a decade. When dealing with the kind of content I deal with you have only two ways of "judiciously" moderating content.

1. Making judgement calls based solely on my and my admins own personal OPINION on whether of not the content is CP, basing that opinion solely on looks and looks alone.(barring any obvious outliers such as someone in the video saying they are underage for example)

2. Relying on reporting from website visitors who will flag the content for review. many cases involve either the individual in the video contacting us to say they were underage and or someone with first hand knowledge. a 3rd option would be these reporting agency's who are harassing me at the moment, IF THEY ONLY CONTACTED ME INSTEAD OF MY HOST. The fact that they contact your host directly opens their WELL MEANING and righteous mission to be used as a TOOL OF ATTACK by enemies.

Seems to me that MOJO Host man envisions a world where amateur homemade twink pornography just should not exist at all. Just too risky he says. Too DIRTY he says.

Well sir I say to you please GFY. I will continue to do my part to provide people all over the world with the LEGAL porn they want.

Holy fuck you are dense - Brad just gave you golden advice for free, and you shit all over it.

You come across as someone who might deserve all the problems you have - good luck, and I would bet you end up in jail with that line of thought

[CaptainHowdy]

Good hammerin', Klen . . .

[King Mark]

Sheesh...

[lauryfriese]

As a site owner, you have to put more effort into detecting and disallowing content at a wider range even if you risk making mistakes if it's older.