femdomdestiny

Wise has limitations for some countries. Even their support didn't know that but confirmed when I've asked so be sure to check if someone is going with wise solution to this mess

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J. Falcon

Any update on this?

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I'm also interested to know if there are any solutions for EU affiliates. Has anyone heard anything?

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xxxclusive

Sounds like beginning of the end and reminds me of Zombaio, better change biller before it's too late.

Saw that coming that a new great dying of overpriced 3rd party billers starts with the Onlyfans etc rise where you have only 20% cost fee (and no chargeback fees), 3rd party billers can't compete with this.

Tagir

CCBill showed that they don't care about affiliates! They didn't even send out a newsletter, they just stopped the payments! The only solution is to remove the links! There's no point in waiting!

sawaporn

yes, we are already removing links from our projects, about 50 affiliate programs and 200 sites have been removed.
The only option that we see is that affiliate programs themselves will abandon CCBill and switch to another system, but most likely there will be only a few of them - basically all sites on CCBill are of low quality and have not been updated for years

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It is a fraud. Not telling people about such an important " policy " change is a scam. They have picked up a "soft" way to do it.

- not telling anyone
- letting you find out on your own when you need money
- giving you "solutions" that are not working (of course). Checks are not working in Europe and ACH is not working in Europe, every fucking idiot knows this.

Removing links is not easy. CCbill managed to survive exactly because many sites are using their outdated system. There are dormant or small sites that do not have alternatives. So what to do now with thousands of pages linking to those sponsors?

Who is the owner(s) of CCbill, anyone knows who is behind this decision?

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Tagir

Everything is correct! Whoever has the traffic is right!

pussypartner32

i bought a debit card from yoursafe since 2023 still waiting ....

cordoba

I haven't been able to log in to CCbill for several days, and when I try to change my password it comes back with a db error message.

JesseQuinn

I remember zombaio, ugh. used them for processing on my first site and I was amazed that I ever got paid the outstanding amount at the end. took forever. they were great for the few years I used them, and then turned to total shit

took my transaction history and got a MID and never looked back. after the history of crashed IPSPs in our biz, I'd never wish to touch one again

I don't think ccbill is in that category though. as pointed out earlier they process for OF (though I think the OF aff program runs through crackrev?). for processing though, that's a pretty big client to have on one's roster. yes, their infrastructure is woefully outdated, but a lot of established, long running sites still use them

only checks and ACH as payout options for affs is crazy though. without a feasible way to get paid a lot of affs will prob drop promotion of ccbill sites. I've got a US bank account so not an issue for me, but not everyone can easily make a trip to the US to open one

makes no sense, all they'd have to do is add SEPA and wire as options. I'd guess this probably indicates a shift in their priorities, as also mentioned above, who knows? whatever the reason, not giving notice of the change is a shitty way to treat people

I dunno, good luck to those of y'all affected :/

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The Porn Nerd

Still waiting to hear back from my CCBill Rep, whoever the fuck that is at the moment. I suspect no one.

Also noticing some STRANGE things going on with CCBill Admin portal. Showing sales and rebills, then removing them the next day, revenue up, then down, then up...something strange is going on for sure and I am not liking it.

What's the cost for switching to NATS again?

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pornmasta

SEPA possible!?!?

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I wouldn't be surprised if they have been hacked many times without notifying customers. It's pretty obvious that they don't give a damn about security since the beginning.
Just look at those embedded affiliate signup forms at sponsor sites. They make it pretty easy for sponsors (or hackers) to intercept affiliate logins.
Their affiliate tracking links also still use http instead of https, which is not only less secure, it only causes a large delay for potential customers when the browser it trying to upgrade the insecure request to https, which means a lower join rate.

The Porn Nerd

I had not noticed the http/https thing! Thanks for pointing that out. I will add it to the endless list of complaints I have about how CCBill is being run these days.

I think the explosion of OF $$$ has made CCBill not give a fuck about its' other clients/affiliates. There certainly should be enough OF cashflow to make CCBill's Admin state of the art (or at least current) and to have excellent tracking etc. We're probably talking one day of OF revenue to cover all that so WTF CCBill?

Crazy.

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JesseQuinn

would it be difficult to transfer current affs to something like a Mobius MID/gateway plus NATS (functionality for integration)

asking cuz dunno. but maybe something to think about? maybe contact TMM asking about how data/tracking can be transferred over. some affs might get pissed at link changes but as long as you are communicative the affs who actually bring in sales will be like, 'PITA, but worth it'

I dunno, good luck sincerely. obvs unaware what's going on behind the scenes but seems a little of a "she's just not into you anymore" for a lot

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BigFurry

As an affiliate, my experience is that the NATS team can do pretty much everything:
1. They can import CCBILL affiliates and auto-create NATS accounts for them
2. Redirect CCBILL link codes and they will track in NATS
3. Old members' future rebills can be moved to NATS, and will show up under the NATS affiliate that referred them

2-3. might require you to keep your CCBILL merchant account and/or use them as one of your billers. But I'm sure the TMM team can quickly provide the up-to-date details, it's a pretty common thing for CCBILL programs to move to NATS. One thing that might need specific investigation is if old FHGs will keep working and tracking.

I think for established programs with multiple sites it was worth moving to NATS. They get the better stats and advanced options that NATS offers, and the possibility to add more billers and more payment methods for subscriptions. Maybe there were affiliates who left the program, but the switch also might have attracted new affiliates who prefer the better NATS tracking. Win some, lose some.

That was before the SEPA issue though. If this SEPA issue doesn't get solved quickly, I think there might be more to lose by staying with the CCBILL affiliate platform.
In fact, there are probably also non-US & non-EU affiliates who already left CCBILL in the past few years, after CCBILL completely stopped sending international wires to affiliates. These affiliates were already without a working payment method, since they mostly can't cash in checks in their countries either.

CCBILL can be good for smaller, singe-site programs, newer sites. Affiliates might not trust them enough to promote them in NATS, or it's just not worth tracking payments of a small site for the $50 / year it generates. There are too many of these small NATS programs that have payment issues. CCBILL in the past was always guaranteed to pay, and the bundled payout for lots of sites was very nice.

One thing is for sure though - if a program decides to go NATS, they should be ready to support multiple affiliate payment methods. If you only support 1-2 methods, you might miss out on some affiliates. Checks, Paxum, Wires options are the minimum in my opinion, but it's great if you also offer Paypal, ACH, SEPA, and possibly even crypto.

All that being said, I still think that CCBILL is working on re-adding SEPA, otherwise they would have sent out a communication about the change already. They did this in the past when there were big changes in the payout options.

grzepa

My last payment arrived on 20.03.2024 via sępa to my account.

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I'll take peoples ccbill accounts off their hands if they don't want it anymore.

geirlur

Anyone have a refcode for crak? I'm planning to sign up today

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LouiseLloyd

Any updates from an official source?

Is this really the end of CCBill affiliate program for non-US affiliates? If so, then it's just a reminder that no matter how trustworthy you believe a merchant to be, they can simply stop paying without warning.

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Daniel2835

did anyone solve this problem? I tried to connect wize, but ccbill asks for usa issued documents.
Will changing the country in the ccbill profile help with this?

goodoff

It's quiet here. Has everyone settled down with payments? Who uses which options?

femdomdestiny

NO there is no solution and they found a way to steal money.

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femdomdestiny

Once I've opened an account with ACH capability, they are still refusing to pay. This time they say the webmaster must have an account in his name in a bank used as an intermediary.

They are finding every possible way to avoid payment. Insane. after all these years.

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Retiree

Back in the old days a ccbill rep would be all over this thread to reply to questions. Now, not even a statement.

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BigFurry

Damn, sorry to hear that.

I don't even understand. They want you to submit two bank accounts? ACH transfers don't even need an intermediary as far as I know, only Wires do sometimes.

femdomdestiny

The response is always the same, AML. I guess that various services offering ACH are using intermediary banks like JPMorgan. Then, based on some reference number you give with notes in instruction, they allocate funds to your account with them. This is not good for ccbill, even if everything is your name. This is how I understand the situation.

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BigFurry

Ah OK. So CCBILL wants you to have your own real US bank account, which doesn't require a reference number and can receive funds directly.

femdomdestiny

Something like that. The account is real and it is in the US. After getting instructions for transfer, I've learned it is not possible because ccbill is asking additional documents (statement from intermediary bank). I can't affect how the bank is handling payments. I've opened an ACH capable account as requested and filled in the data the bank gave me.

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BigFurry

Bump for this. Other than a few countries (where checks are still accepted), CCBILL affiliates can't get paid.

Matyko

I am using Wise Business as main financial solution for my company for 1.5 years now.
Works like charm.
I think that what you are saying is just an urban legend.

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Matyko

Although this year I am not attending the TES @ Prague, I see two attendees from CCBill. It would be nice if someone would discuss this issue with them in person and post the news in this thread.

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Retiree

Good info, thanks!

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I can bet they just canceled their trip after this.

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daviking

wise does not allow adult. its written in their tos. they may close your account at any time.

Matyko

I don't think they cancel their trip, they are fully aware of this is a pain in the ass for EU affiliates..
Mikel seems to be the 'financial' guy and it Absolutely Makes Sense to ask him about this. I would be surprised if they won't be asked about this..

Thanks for the heads up. I will try to remain under the radar. I am paying my employees, taxes, and getting paid by ad networks.. Maybe this is OK with them.

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