Bush Admin Wants "Abstinence Only" HIV Education

[MrPopup]

Sex education group faces new review

Supporters say audit is punishment

The Washington Post
WASHINGTON--The Bush administration will conduct the third review within one year of the comprehensive sex education organization Advocates for Youth, prompting the group and a congressman to charge that it is being punished because of its opposition to abstinence-only AIDS prevention programs.

The latest review, to be conducted today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, will look into charges of "possible misuse of grant funds for lobbying efforts," the agency said.

The CDC said the review was in response to complaints from Rep. Joseph Pitts, R-Pa., an advocate for abstinence-only programs. Pitts and 23 other congressmen have questioned whether Advocates for Youth and other sex education organizations are improperly using federal funds to lobby in Congress.

According to Advocates for Youth spokesman Bill Barker, the group has received grants from the CDC for 15 years without any requests for reviews or audits, yet now has received three requests in the past year, two from the CDC and one from the General Accounting Office.

"Advocates is concerned that it appears that the selective and political use of these audits is to intimidate organizations such as ours that support comprehensive sex education," Barker said. "They want to impose a kind of censorship."

http://www.charleston.net/stories/08..._18sexed.shtml

[goBigtime]

Population control.

[Fletch XXX]

Every day my hate grows stronger.

But it keeps me focused on the end goal.

'The test of true competence is the end result.' - L Ron HUbbard

[calm]

37% of sexually active kids under 18 in my state have an STD. The schools here teach safe sex over abstinence. Doesn't really seem to be working.

And the sex ed isn't a joke. I went through it only a few years ago, it is a requirement to graduate, you have you pass sophomore year or no diploma. I say the system needs to be fixed, teaching safe sex isn't working for shit.

[MrPopup]

Originally posted by calm
The schools here teach safe sex over abstinence. Doesn't really seem to be working.

To suggest you can teach abstinence is fucking absurd.

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


But it keeps me focused on the end goal.

I'm registered to vote - For what its worth.

(With the upcoming super secret closed-source computerized voting system)

[Fletch XXX]

http://www.punkvoter.com

get the younger people voting.

[calm]

Originally posted by MrPopup


To suggest you can teach abstinence is fucking absurd.

You can teach absitenence, and you should. What the fuck is "right" about two 14 year olds having sex? I'm young, I'm definitely not up tight, and I believe some form of abstinence is better than none. When I was 12 my friends were having sex. I lived in the most affluent part of the state, this wasn't some trailer park, but I knew 10-15 girls in high school that either had kids or got abortions. 15 year old kids that are fucked for life. That, friend, is fucking absurd.

[ThunderBalls]

Originally posted by calm
37% of sexually active kids under 18 in my state have an STD.

Where the hell do you live...Africa?

[MrPopup]

Wait, after further thought, you are correct.

It seems perfectly reasonable that a middle-aged schoolteacher making $23,000 dollars a year is going to be able to instruct teenagers how to ignore their hormones.

[calm]

Originally posted by ThunderBalls



Where the hell do you live...Africa?

New Hampshire. Look at the stats for your own state, it will probably suprise you.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by calm


You can teach absitenence, and you should. What the fuck is "right" about two 14 year olds having sex? I'm young, I'm definitely not up tight, and I believe some form of abstinence is better than none. When I was 12 my friends were having sex. I lived in the most affluent part of the state, this wasn't some trailer park, but I knew 10-15 girls in high school that either had kids or got abortions. 15 year old kids that are fucked for life. That, friend, is fucking absurd.

Do you know statistically that males over 18+ are usualy responsible for this?


In california heres some stats:

KLook here.

'Every 8 minutes, a teenager in California has a baby.

3 of 4 births to High School girls are fathered by adults.

Men over 25 account for twice as many teen births as boys under 18 years old.

The Average Age difference between the teen victim and the adult defendant in cases filed by the District
Attorney is 7years 9months.

Men over 20 are responsible for 5 times as many births among junior high school girls.

In California almost 70% of teen births are fathered by adult men.

On an average California day 76 teenage girls, 17 & younger, will give birth.'

Why teach the kids absitinence when its ADULTS that are FUCKING THE CHILDREn and making more CHILDREN?

In 1993 1,572 births in California were to mothers 14 years or younger.

The rate of sexually transmitted disease among teenage girls is twice that of teenage boys.

This all translates into a tremendous drain in our welfare and medical resources statewide.

AFDC and Medi-Cal costs for 1 teen pregnancy, birth and 1st year support is $10,000.

Total costs for teen births to those 17 and younger in 1993 for California were $140 million.'


knowledge reigns supreme over nearly everyone.

http://ageofconsent.com/california.htm

[traffictrader]

Originally posted by calm
37% of sexually active kids under 18 in my state have an STD. The schools here teach safe sex over abstinence. Doesn't really seem to be working.

And the sex ed isn't a joke. I went through it only a few years ago, it is a requirement to graduate, you have you pass sophomore year or no diploma. I say the system needs to be fixed, teaching safe sex isn't working for shit.

well 92% of teens are sexually active by the time they graduate high school


37% vs 92%.... yeah teaching abstinence is working like a charm!

[calm]

Originally posted by MrPopup
Wait, after further thought, you are correct.

It seems perfectly reasonable that a middle-aged schoolteacher making $23,000 dollars a year is going to be able to instruct teenagers how to ignore their hormones.

You're looking at this on such a minor scale man. It isn't just school, it's everything. You can't draw the line at the amount of sex these kids are exposed to because it's fucking with their rights. It's all bullshit. I'm not saying the schools should teach kids to wait till marriage, I am not so naive to think that is possible, I assure you. I am just saying, something needs to be done better. I don't think it's so preposterous to say that 12-14 year olds shouldn't be fucking.

[Nysus]

Originally posted by calm
37% of sexually active kids under 18 in my state have an STD. The schools here teach safe sex over abstinence. Doesn't really seem to be working.

...

Condoms not being availible in school washrooms etc. is a large problem. If you're scared to use a condom when you are told to, you should at least be able to obtain condoms.. Hell, kids are likely somewhat 'scared' to even have sex (the unknown)..

You can tell them abstinence is one way, to save yourself, though also telling them everything about sexuality is needed too, as well as safe-sex; adults still need to know that and if the school system doesn't teach them.. who will....... but anyways. Back to jerking off...

Cheers,
Matt

[MrPopup]

Originally posted by calm


You're looking at this on such a minor scale man. It isn't just school, it's everything. You can't draw the line at the amount of sex these kids are exposed to because it's fucking with their rights. It's all bullshit. I'm not saying the schools should teach kids to wait till marriage, I am not so naive to think that is possible, I assure you. I am just saying, something needs to be done better. I don't think it's so preposterous to say that 12-14 year olds shouldn't be fucking.

Then go talk to your cable provider about reducing the amount of sexual imagery on television.

Wait....forget it...you probably dont have the time...just let the politicians do your thinking for you. It's apparently worked so far....

[Nysus]

Originally posted by calm


You're looking at this on such a minor scale man. It isn't just school, it's everything. You can't draw the line at the amount of sex these kids are exposed to because it's fucking with their rights. It's all bullshit. I'm not saying the schools should teach kids to wait till marriage, I am not so naive to think that is possible, I assure you. I am just saying, something needs to be done better. I don't think it's so preposterous to say that 12-14 year olds shouldn't be fucking.

[/jerking off]


In the olden days people were married at 13-14 years of age and had children a bit later. I know we have grown as a society, but stop it's partially society's fault - you can't just tell them no, they are doing it at younger and younger ages because there's more and more sexuality seen in society.


[jerking off]

Cheers,
Matt

[calm]

Originally posted by traffictrader


well 92% of teens are sexually active by the time they graduate high school


37% vs 92%.... yeah teaching abstinence is working like a charm!

I'm not saying exclusive abstinence is a good idea, it isn't. And if you read my post, you would know abstinence isn't even taught in this state.

[Nysus]

Another large problem is 'kids' are too scared to talk to their parents about it and most parents in the reverse.

If you take a look at some of the more advanced societies/social systems in Europe they begin to teach sexuality at a very young age and throughout school. Their birth rates and STD levels among young people is very low compared to average and 'kids'/teens are involved in sexual activity much more than in America.

They know there's nothing wrong with sexual activity, and they also know they don't have to do it if they don't want.

Cheers,
Matt

[calm]

Originally posted by MrPopup


Then go talk to your cable provider about reducing the amount of sexual imagery on television.

Wait....forget it...you probably dont have the time...just let the politicians do your thinking for you. It's apparently worked so far....

Wait wait... maybe I should buy one of your shitty news feeds and let them do thinking for me. You're a shithead. What the fuck does this have to do with my politcal persuasion? I'm not agreeing with shit, but because I say something needs to be fixed, maybe some abstinence should actually be taugh along with education, I must be also sucking Bush's cock by night. I've said that neither taught exclusively works, and you try to, instead of arguing any point whatsoever, say that I must be an idiot.

[Gunni]

Originally posted by calm
37% of sexually active kids under 18 in my state have an STD. The schools here teach safe sex over abstinence. Doesn't really seem to be working.

And the sex ed isn't a joke. I went through it only a few years ago, it is a requirement to graduate, you have you pass sophomore year or no diploma. I say the system needs to be fixed, teaching safe sex isn't working for shit.

Dude, if trying to teach these silly kids to have safe sex is not working, do you really think for one second that teaching them not to have sex is going to work?????
I mean they're teenagers for fuck sakes, they are going to have sex. They just need to realise that STD's are a fact, and that anyone can get one. Sure getting Gonorrhea is not a big deal, but if you get that, you can most deffinately get HIV as well, that is what the kids have to learn!

[calm]

Originally posted by Nysus

They know there's nothing wrong with sexual activity, and they also know they don't have to do it if they don't want.

I agree with this fully. You won't stop all kids from having sex, but what is wrong with presenting abstinence as a choice? I think it is a good thing.

[calm]

Originally posted by Gunni


Dude, if trying to teach these silly kids to have safe sex is not working, do you really think for one second that teaching them not to have sex is going to work?????
I mean they're teenagers for fuck sakes, they are going to have sex. They just need to realise that STD's are a fact, and that anyone can get one. Sure getting Gonorrhea is not a big deal, but if you get that, you can most deffinately get HIV as well, that is what the kids have to learn!

I'm saying I was in their position a few years ago, nobody said word one about abstinence, because you weren't allowed to teach it. Of course some teenagers are going to have sex, but if you can convince some it is better to wait till they can actually make a mature decision, what's so wrong with taht? Again it comes down to not teaching either thing exclusively.

[MrPopup]

Originally posted by calm

What the fuck does this have to do with my politcal persuasion? I'm not agreeing with shit, but because I say something needs to be fixed, maybe some abstinence should actually be taugh along with education.

Would abstinence stop you from jerking off?

As for your other bullshit...

[Gunni]

Originally posted by calm


I agree with this fully. You won't stop all kids from having sex, but what is wrong with presenting abstinence as a choice? I think it is a good thing.

In Europe they teach us that the only 100% safe thing to not get any STD's or get pregnant is not to have sex, they do let us know that. But of course every one rather focuses on Condoms and stuff like that

[calm]

Originally posted by MrPopup

As for your other bullshit...

Ha, dude, you're so done. Fact is you lost it; you were looking for a fight that I wasn't giving you. Chill. You can't argue with fact, and you can't deny that mutual inclusion is the best bet. What exactly was your issue with teaching abstinence? Absolutely ignorant.

[calm]

Edit: clicking wayyy too fast.

[MrPopup]

Originally posted by calm


Ha, dude, you're so done. Fact is you lost it; you were looking for a fight that I wasn't giving you. Chill. You can't argue with fact, and you can't deny that mutual inclusion is the best bet. What exactly was your issue with teaching abstinence? Absolute ignorant.

You sure won alright. Your prize is on the way!

Maybe later you can challenge me to a fistfight too.

[cherrylula]

and maybe they should make fat kids stop eating too...

gee fucking whiz... yeah nobody wants their teenage kids having sex but eventually it happens so why not talk to them and teach them how to be safe.

Give them condoms and birth control.
Give them condoms and birth control.
Give them condoms and birth control.
Give them condoms and birth control.
Give them condoms and birth control.
Give them condoms and birth control.

and

Give them condoms and birth control.

[calm]

Originally posted by MrPopup


You sure won alright. Your prize is on the way!

Maybe later you can challenge me to a fistfight too.

You got me, shiiiiiiiat. I could handle this BradShaw style and cite your complete inferiority... but that'd be too cliche. That picture isn't even applicable here man, you're reaching. What else you got?

How old are you? 12? You going to throw a rock at me next time you look like a dumbass?

[Babaganoosh]

Originally posted by calm


Ha, dude, you're so done. Fact is you lost it; you were looking for a fight that I wasn't giving you. Chill. You can't argue with fact, and you can't deny that mutual inclusion is the best bet. What exactly was your issue with teaching abstinence? Absolutely ignorant.

He's a jerkoff. Don't sweat it. 95% of his posts are regurgitated news articles only posted to get a rise out of people. Sad thing is, usually it works.

[calm]

Originally posted by Armed & Hammered


He's a jerkoff. Don't sweat it. 95% of his posts are regurgitated news articles only posted to get a rise out of people. Sad thing is, usually it works.

Can you hit me up about your spider?

[email protected]

[sexeducation]

Originally posted by MrPopup
Sex education group faces new review

Supporters say audit is punishment

The Washington Post
WASHINGTON--The Bush administration will conduct the third review within one year of the comprehensive sex education organization Advocates for Youth, prompting the group and a congressman to charge that it is being punished because of its opposition to abstinence-only AIDS prevention programs.

The latest review, to be conducted today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, will look into charges of "possible misuse of grant funds for lobbying efforts," the agency said.

The CDC said the review was in response to complaints from Rep. Joseph Pitts, R-Pa., an advocate for abstinence-only programs. Pitts and 23 other congressmen have questioned whether Advocates for Youth and other sex education organizations are improperly using federal funds to lobby in Congress.

According to Advocates for Youth spokesman Bill Barker, the group has received grants from the CDC for 15 years without any requests for reviews or audits, yet now has received three requests in the past year, two from the CDC and one from the General Accounting Office.

"Advocates is concerned that it appears that the selective and political use of these audits is to intimidate organizations such as ours that support comprehensive sex education," Barker said. "They want to impose a kind of censorship."

http://www.charleston.net/stories/08..._18sexed.shtml

good post ...reading it now.
Abstinence is irrelevant.
Masturbation is sex. It's the most sex that most people have.

[sexeducation]

From ... http://www.AdvocatesForYouth.org


There is no scientific evidence that abstinence-only-until-marriage programs - those that censor information about contraception - are effective.

Absolutely awesome ...
That's the kind of real information the world needs.

thanx - you just added a link to my site.

[Centurion]

Originally posted by calm


I agree with this fully. You won't stop all kids from having sex, but what is wrong with presenting abstinence as a choice? I think it is a good thing.

Catch a clue! These kids KNOW about abstinence even before they enter high school. I mean, they abstain from sex until they finally HAVE sex! What is there to teach about abstience that they don't already know about or how to NOT do it?

[loverboy]

i say free COndoms to all

[MrPopup]

Originally posted by loverboy
i say free COndoms to all

or at least free bandwidth

[jas1552]

I say bring back the shame. These little 12 year old slutty Christina Aguilera wannabes need to be taught some friggin' shame.

[MrPopup]

Originally posted by jas1552
I say bring back the shame. These little 12 year old slutty Christina Aguilera wannabes need to be taught some friggin' shame.

Talk to your cable provider and the FCC about that.

[Webby]

Bush Admin Wants "Abstinence Only" HIV Education

Bush is an idiot - nuff said!

[NBDesign]

if the government would stop all the chemical weapon development... then the need for this type of education would not be necessary and we could have sex the way mother nature intended... NO CONDOMS!

afterall.... where do you think all these new diseases come from... yes, hiv is not new... but was caused by government developing and testing of chemical weapons.

[slavdogg]

i'm sure Arabs like the Abstinence Only method

there is no better way to stop white people / 1st worth countries from growing their populations which are already in decline in many parts while 3rd worth countries fuck like rabbits and have 10+ kids each

[Snake Doctor]

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