Internet Radio industry about to be destroyed - GoFuckYourself.com

drunkmonkey · 05-01-2002, 05:00 PM

CARP (Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel) submitted to the U.S. Copyright Office a proposal that will require all Internet Radio broadcasters to pay royalties to the recording labels and artists. If the U.S. Copyright Office accepts this proposal, it will take effect at the end of this month and, subsequently, bankrupt most broadcasters. Only the big dogs (Yahoo, MSN, etc.) will be left standing. This is more bad news for the internet.

http://www.saveinternetradio.org/

bhutocracy · 05-01-2002, 05:01 PM

were any of them making money in the first place?

drunkmonkey · 05-01-2002, 05:07 PM

Most of these radio broadcasting company's do not make shit to begin with. The internet radio industry is mainly just people fucking around and playing music they like. Radiostorm.com is run by two guys and they make enough to earn a living but they are not raking in the dough. This just apears to be another way for the rich to stay rich and keep others from getting rich. Typical golden rule shit: "he who has the gold, makes the rules"

Sly_RJ · 05-01-2002, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by drunkmonkey
Most of these radio broadcasting company's do not make shit to begin with. The internet radio industry is mainly just people fucking around and playing music they like. Radiostorm.com is run by two guys and they make enough to earn a living but they are not raking in the dough. This just apears to be another way for the rich to stay rich and keep others from getting rich. Typical golden rule shit: "he who has the gold, makes the rules"

The artists and recording companies want the money they did the work for I would imagine, there's nothing wrong with that.

But if the station isn't making a profit, you would think they would be interested in working some type of deal out. The musicians and record companies are getting "free publicity" and nobody is directly profiting from it.

Scootermuze · 05-01-2002, 05:42 PM

I'm surprised that BMI or ASCAP haven't made a stink over it yet. If you have a juke box in a bar, they'll be right there to collect.
All other broadcast media have to pay royalties, so it isn't as if they're attacking internet radio.
The royalty payments are how the writers make their money.

drunkmonkey · 05-01-2002, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

The artists and recording companies want the money they did the work for I would imagine, there's nothing wrong with that.

But if the station isn't making a profit, you would think they would be interested in working some type of deal out. The musicians and record companies are getting "free publicity" and nobody is directly profiting from it.

This is true. The broadcasters agreed to pay royalties the same as over the air broadcasting (I think somehting like 3%) to the artists. However, the recording labels, which seem to be running amoc since the DMCA, want a huge share of like 15% RETROACTIVE since 1998. The numbers are quite stagering for a small radio broadcaster. Hell, I have run a few stations through shoutcast for friends and whatnot. According to this, I would have to pay out a few thousand bucks. yuck.

Gramma · 05-01-2002, 05:43 PM

I looked up the info on licensing the rights to play music when I was thinking about doing a radio show about wrestling.

While some music is free (public domain) there are a couple other ways to go. It is paperwork, and telling your potential audience numbers what you pay for the licensing.
You have to keep records, and different companies sell rights to different music venues.

Anyway

I hardly think it's the end of ALL internet radio - most responsible radio stations broadcasting over the web surely already do this.

Backov · 05-01-2002, 06:05 PM

No, it's the end of ALL internet radio (except of course anything run by RIAA)..

Here's a quick example that was given - a small FM radio station, with approximately 100,000 listeners, to webcast the same signal they are broadcasting (I assume to approximately the same amount of listeners) their webcasting fees under this amazing system are in the BILLIONS!

Read the site. See why it's unreasonable. It's the RIAA attempting to crush internet radio, since they don't own it and can't control it.

Cheers,
Backov

Yo Adrian · 05-01-2002, 06:12 PM

Thing abou this is that music artists will in the end get paid less than half of what they earn from commercial radio broadcasting. yet small Internet radio stations will have to pay double what the commercial radio stations do!

Get this:

They charge the commercial radio stations $0.07 per song per listener. They charge smaller non-porfit stations $0.02 per song per listener. Now they want to start charging Internet radio stations $0.14 per song per listener!!! This is total bullshit, it's not about wanting artists to be paid, rather it's about trying to wash out all the little guys.

picpile · 05-01-2002, 06:39 PM

i think the record companies should just img src them instead of taking them to court. most of the radio shows are run by russians anyhow.

IMG SRC THE WORLD!!!!

05-01-2002, 05:00 PM	#1
drunkmonkey Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: behind you Posts:1,075,324 Posts: 799	Internet Radio industry about to be destroyed CARP (Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel) submitted to the U.S. Copyright Office a proposal that will require all Internet Radio broadcasters to pay royalties to the recording labels and artists. If the U.S. Copyright Office accepts this proposal, it will take effect at the end of this month and, subsequently, bankrupt most broadcasters. Only the big dogs (Yahoo, MSN, etc.) will be left standing. This is more bad news for the internet. http://www.saveinternetradio.org/

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Gramma Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 402	I looked up the info on licensing the rights to play music when I was thinking about doing a radio show about wrestling. While some music is free (public domain) there are a couple other ways to go. It is paperwork, and telling your potential audience numbers what you pay for the licensing. You have to keep records, and different companies sell rights to different music venues. Anyway I hardly think it's the end of ALL internet radio - most responsible radio stations broadcasting over the web surely already do this. __________________ gramma at ix.netcom.com

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Backov Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cat Detector Van Posts: 1,600	No, it's the end of ALL internet radio (except of course anything run by RIAA).. Here's a quick example that was given - a small FM radio station, with approximately 100,000 listeners, to webcast the same signal they are broadcasting (I assume to approximately the same amount of listeners) their webcasting fees under this amazing system are in the BILLIONS! Read the site. See why it's unreasonable. It's the RIAA attempting to crush internet radio, since they don't own it and can't control it. Cheers, Backov __________________ <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

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Yo Adrian Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 6,326	Thing abou this is that music artists will in the end get paid less than half of what they earn from commercial radio broadcasting. yet small Internet radio stations will have to pay double what the commercial radio stations do! Get this: They charge the commercial radio stations $0.07 per song per listener. They charge smaller non-porfit stations $0.02 per song per listener. Now they want to start charging Internet radio stations $0.14 per song per listener!!! This is total bullshit, it's not about wanting artists to be paid, rather it's about trying to wash out all the little guys. __________________ Adult SEO Partners - Full service Adult SEO Agency serving some of the biggest names in the industry.

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bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	were any of them making money in the first place?

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drunkmonkey Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: behind you Posts:1,075,324 Posts: 799	Most of these radio broadcasting company's do not make shit to begin with. The internet radio industry is mainly just people fucking around and playing music they like. Radiostorm.com is run by two guys and they make enough to earn a living but they are not raking in the dough. This just apears to be another way for the rich to stay rich and keep others from getting rich. Typical golden rule shit: "he who has the gold, makes the rules"

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Scootermuze Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 4,513	I'm surprised that BMI or ASCAP haven't made a stink over it yet. If you have a juke box in a bar, they'll be right there to collect. All other broadcast media have to pay royalties, so it isn't as if they're attacking internet radio. The royalty payments are how the writers make their money.

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picpile Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 734	i think the record companies should just img src them instead of taking them to court. most of the radio shows are run by russians anyhow. IMG SRC THE WORLD!!!!