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07-25-2006, 03:52 PM | #251 |
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07-25-2006, 03:54 PM | #252 | |
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Let me make this simple for everyone... I LIKE SIMPLICITY! SO DO CUSTOMERS. So the less shit there is the more I like it. A lesson I learned from google. I like a clean join page with the least amount of confusion. I like the most important things stated to SELL the customer and to warn the customer WHAT HE IS BUYING. Cross sales do not fit into this and neither do popups. Show me numbers from a site who buys cross sales and show me their credit/charge back ratios now while buying those cross sales and compare it to when they do not buy cross sales. Then the argument will be settled. Until then you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. |
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07-25-2006, 04:06 PM | #254 | |
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yes and there is no such thing as a "work day" if you want to make good money, you need to be prepaired to work day and night. Some people can have something fall into their lap that makes good money and requires little time, but it will not last long. And that is rare. If you want to make good money and sustain it, you need to be prepaired to WORK 60 - 80 hours a week.
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my goal is to make money, legally. I have never screwed / scammed anyone. I am also not here to try to make everyone happy either. I find it funny the post here from a few people going back and forth about not trying to do anything to upset the surfer but yet when the topic of rebills come up, you get the "it doesn't upset anyone" and other back peddling, double talk, etc... from them. I am all for rebills, popups, etc. just don't try to come across as being almighty and i am some shady guy cause i use a pop up, when you use rebills. Rebilling is more of a hassle, annoying, etc.. to the surfer then popups, is there 1 person here willing to say otherwise (besides jpv). If you really want to come across as being a surfer friendly site and not want to upset anyone you would offer 2 options to join, a rebilling option and a non rebilling option.
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07-25-2006, 05:15 PM | #257 |
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I don't understand how a site can not be upfront about rebills, cross sales, and cancelations. Billing processors and credit card companies have policies. This isn't the wild west anymore. You have to maintain very low CB/CR percentages. I don't know how to better guage how unhappy customers are with a site than the sites CB/CR percentages.
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07-25-2006, 06:48 PM | #259 | |
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But my issue is if I have seen EVIDENCE a customer does not want something then I will not give it to them. I have not seen evidence about the rebilling. MY SITE is upfront about it and maybe that is why. I honestly don't know but I am not going to stop using a standard way of billing a subscription site because rebilling was abused in the past. I have seen evidence people do not like popups and there is alot of evidence popups are hated by tgp/mgp visitors. Yeah alot of these visitors are freeloaders but many purchase memberships still if you can show them something they like... If not today then maybe tomorrow. I have also seen evidence of members seeing free content advertising a site and surfer joining a site to see more of that set or girl and can't find it. Marketing sites with 3rd party content which is not in the site has a HUGE negative effect on customers. This is a major reason for bad rebills in many PPS programs who allow other content to promote their sites. I have not seen any evidence on cross sales so my statements on that are simply my feelings about them. I have no hard numbers but from my experience in this business I choose not to use them. I don't agree with them based only on that not hard evidence. |
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07-25-2006, 06:52 PM | #260 |
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I have had fun debating these issues but I think I have said all I can say. I really want to get some discussions going on some of my other more interesting subjects in my article. I need a day off from this board. I think it is mealting my brain. I will be back in a day or so and hopefully we can get some other topics going.
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My "facts, beliefs, proof" or what ever you want to call it comes from about 4 years of owning, running, and advertising my own membership sites and membership sites i created for others. I have about the same amount of time as being a membership site owner as i do just advertising. Over 7 years being full time doing this, which would be about 14 years for most people since i work about 60 - 80 hours a week on average. I've owned and opperated a site similar to voyeur dorm. I have my basis of information to go on from my personal experiences, and in general COMMON SENSE. if you think 100% of the people who rebill on your site wanted to rebill , then you are a fool. I can guarantee you that people will be billed time and time again that forgot about it, or didn't know about it. Some might not contact you, they might just cancelled and have the attiitude " damn i got screwed again by rebilling porn site!" and that might be the last time that pushed them over the top and you screwed up a potential sale for one of us here. Quote:
What is the big deal why not error on caution and give them the option, or is it that you want to make money off of the people who forget and don't bother to contact you Also yet to hear anyone agree with you on this point, so if someone who owns/owned a membership site can chim in i would love to know if others think I am off base or if they not buying your " members are happy with rebills" you doing them a service arguement.
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So you like simplicity ? What is more simple: Click Here to Join for 30 days for $29.95 or Click Here to Join for 30 days for $29.95, at the end of 30 days your membership will rebill unless it is cancelled. Quote:
Click Here to Join for 30 days for $29.95, at the end of 30 days your membership will rebill unless it is cancelled. you will need to click the link "cancel my membership" in my members area to cancel your membership. You need to be careful not to let your membership rebill if you don't want it to.. Why feel the need to WARN them about something that you are doing? Seems like an admission of guily to me. Instead of warning them, and having to include all that shit, why don't you keep it simple and do this" 1 month memberhip ONLY $29.95 1 month membership (REBILLS) $29.95 A lot more simple to me and you giving them a CHOICE not forcing their hand.
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on pop ups more like 1:2000 from my personal numbers. but i will use your exact numbers above for this example. FIRST OF ALL, if you know how to use a popup they will not get it till they LEAVE your site, so the pop up will not take away from any of your sales. You kinda making it sound like when they leave your tour they will get hit and this will affect your 120 sales a day. Using a prior analogy I made, that would be like in the middle of having them look at the sony TV (and they are interested in it) i pull them away to show them something else. You never want to distract you surfers attention, ESPECIALLY on signup pages. Here is some advice to me to everyone else that doesn't know this. DO NOT PUT LINKS on your signup page. You got them to the signup page, why give them an option to leave. Say they liked a girl or movie or something, and you got them, they want it, they click to signup, and then you have more links off to the side and they see something that gets their attention and they are off again, there is a good chance you lost them. Back to your example. So taking into accout what i said above, why would you want to show them a exit page when they are leaving if it gets you only 6 sales a day? simple. I have about 110,000 REA$ON$ why. I dont care if you make 2 million year, $110,000 is still $110,000. (assuming you average $50 a signup (inital+rebillis) x 6 a day x 365 days = about $110K a year) Double that amount if your site rebills as good as you talk here.
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07-25-2006, 10:36 PM | #265 |
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sorry i tend to get carried away
I hope i at least helped someone from all of that posting. take your break, i need one two, meet you in couple days for round two. lol jk. nice of you to write that article i am sure it helped people if nothing else give them a little inspiration. I just disagree with you on a few points. I bet i could add a clickcash exit page to your site and make you about 300K a year if your traffic is even remotely close to what you mentioned in the examples above.
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who is this 'Q' person everyone keeps talking about?
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Bump for a great thread!
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very great and thanks for sharing
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I'm sure you have a similar story marc
I remember making some crazy money with you back in the day and you've always seemed to keep your head above water.
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09-04-2007, 04:11 AM | #278 |
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mucho info thread thanks
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wow thanks for sharing.
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09-04-2007, 08:57 AM | #280 |
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09-04-2007, 09:20 AM | #281 |
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This is a good thread to bump.
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Interesting article, I got stuck on it for a while. I will write mine in 1-2 years
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09-04-2007, 01:19 PM | #283 |
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Nice story.
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great story, inspirational and makes me think about how to expand my biz
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This was an excellent thread.
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There's probably a version without all the broken images, but for a quick catchup, this should do:
https://web.archive.org/web/20090201...llionaire.com/ (ibill is mentioned as a reputable biller...) |
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more people should have listened to me.............
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